>HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY OUR GIBSMEDATSHomoshitters are such a blight
>>104134121Cover over hired talents for the branch. Said talents get worse and worse and can't sustain a healthy userbase. In the current climate I can understand 100% why Da Boys continues to get shafted.
>>104134121fakelyingedited
>>104134121Look, I am male and here is how my species thinks:>I'm at the bottom? Complain.>I'm on top? Gloat.While my numbers are lower, they shouldn't matter. But when my numbers are higher, numbers are everything and hologirls must suck my dick.
>>104134121>We should be able to leech off the work of the girls without contributing anything ourselves!Do homos really? Cover isn’t a fucking charity, this is the shit you say when you’re an indie not working for a multi million dollar company.> Gee boss why are you reviewing my KPIs shouldn’t you just ass pat me for coming in to work
>>104134121Do they become happy if a new company is created exclusively for the homos and the staff are willing to manage them? This would allow them to focus on their best interests. If they need money from the parent company, they could get it through loans or capital contributions.
>>104134121idk what he is even trying to say
>>104134354>>104122213
>>104134121>Twitter post more than one day old>2.3K Likes, 57K engagementPfftGuess even their fans don't GAF about them anymore
They should have had 2 more Hololive EN debuts instead of HoloStars EN. They fucked up and faggot Omega fucked the branches growth for life.
>>104134121Homos deserve less than nothing
>>104134423He's basically seething that Cover is finally, after years of giving them commie handouts for free, is felling them to prove they have value of they want to the company to reinvest in themHomo believes that's mean and capitalist and thinks he should get free resources (at the girls expenses) just because he's such a wholesome chungus.It's fucking insane. Like this is more than just being spoiled and entitled, it's like he has no clue how the world works, like "why don't they just print more money to solve poverty" type of shit.
we have now dug so low that there were entire gossip threads based on other posts. there is more estrogen in this board than in /cgl/.
>meanwhile in JP
back to your containment numberscumI thought you hated da boiz why are you dickriding so much?
>>104134121Holostars are hyping up concerts the same as Hololive. Ruze might be doing it with more humor but shilling is what Cover wants since they do care about numbers.
>>104134718Problem is he's doing it while complaining that Cover are looking at his metrics. "Number don't matter" only works outside the corporate world, he's basically whining that Cover aren't going to keep giving him a free ride and he actually has to try and pull his weight which is insanely entitled.
>>104134718I don't mind the shilling, although it's pathetic to suddenly see them panic over numbers after years of coasting at the girls expenses. Still I thought most of them brought it up in a fairly decent way. This tag though is literally having a melty over the very concept of earning your keep.It's so fucking bizarre when there's not a single girl in the company that would ever dare to act this entitled.
>>104134121>They decide if we're valuable based on how much revenue we generateI don't get it. How else should their value be determined? How many feel good reddit posts they have from people who don't watch them?
>>104134121Is anything he’s saying wrong? Your oshi is nothing but noombers to the managerial class. They don’t care if she burns out as long as she made line go up.
>>104134860from debut till now, getting free shit unconditionally was the norm for them, and they never realized it could (should) have been different for them.
>>104134944>literally let them have 500 year long breaks with no streams for no reason while still paying a fixed salaryYes yes Nijisisters, it's an evil sweatshop
>>104134121If I want to be generous you could say he's just talking to his audience in their language. If he says, "Please remember that success in this industry is measured in engagement," they will roll their eyes, but if he says, "I'm an oppressed minority who is bullied by capitalism," they'll literally destroy civilisation and kill themselves for him.
>>104134944>Is anything he’s saying wrong?Nope. Upper management is finally making them starsen work and their upcoming 3d live will more than likely decide their future.
>>104134964The way you guys bitch about resources you’d think they all get yearly individual 3D lives but aren’t they barely getting their first concert now after like what 4 years.
>>104135016Frankly its just bizarre that the EN Stars can get away with being this open about it. I guess that says more about how little their current management watches their streams?
Why does that make you seethe exactly? Yes, success and thus value of a talent is measured by the engagement they get, so he's encouraging his viewers to actively engage. It's nether surprising or new.
>>104134624I think you're taking banter too seriously here
>>104134671Japan vs American culture. Honor vs Money culture.
>>104134121reminds me of mint going off at a convention for not wanting to pay her an appearance fee but expected her to work for free even after inviting heri hate how every org treats vtubers as something disposable
>>104134671Is he talking about Holo ID?
>>104134121If there is one thing more pathetic than Twitterslop threads it's reposting other retards (if not your own) garbage to make a thread.We have reached it gentlemen, a new low
>>104136293the homos are getting a salary just like the girls. time for them to at least do some work.
>>104134399>numbers are everything and hologirls must suck my dick.uh....based
>>104134440>/#/every.fucking.time.
>>104134794>Problem is he's doing it while complaining that Cover are looking at his metrics.The girls are usually more subtle but they have implied the same thing that management does carefully look at numbers. If Holostars want more concerts they need the concert to have good numbers. That will be an uphill battle since the recent YouTube age verification system has culled the numbers for HoloEN especially with recent 3D collabs.
>>104136771Knowing homos, they will get botted by a Holo anti like how antis have been botting Biboo and Mori anyway
>>104136771>That will be an uphill battle I guarantee you a 100% that the homoshitter that bots the dino faggot will also bot the concert just because of all the homos crying about numbers.
>>104135214No one watches their streams. Their handlers included. They’re all failed Vox coat tail hangers. The entire point of the starsEN branch was to try and dip their fingers into fujo/popular pie. Failed every step of the way.
>>104136764But its not fake/edited right?
>>104134671>b-but one of the good o-No, fuck off, faggotbeggar
>>104136597>time for them to at least do some work.What is it they're "not doing" in your mind thenYou can say they're not funny, or you just don't like homo content. But that's called an opinion.
>>104137182getting an audience that would buy their merch. why should they get personalized merch if their shit doesn't sell.
>>104137224As far as we know, birthday and anniversary merch is financed mostly by the talents. You also brought up their salary. Their "job" is to make streams. It's one thing if those streams just suck ass, but that doesn't mean they aren't entitled to what's in their contract up until they're fired.
>>104134305Da Bois could be the best and funniest people ever and STILL nobody would watch because fuck homos. Nobody wants them and nobody will ever want them.
>>104137345Mass appeal? Unlikely never no, but there *is* appeal for homos. I agree with that first anon, COVER fell for the classic trap of over hiring that all companies do.
>>104137280>As far as we know, birthday and anniversary merch is financed mostly by the talents.I remember starsjp had their birthday merch reduced to generic acrylic stands and stickers a while back(dunno if they reverted it) for being shitters, so Cover definitely can cut them off from personalized merch.
>>104134121I would think interacting with posts is all their fans already do, they sure as hell ain't watching streams.
>>104135644honestly not sure what ruze could've done because i don't know if cover cares more about ATTENTION (views/subs) or MONEY (merch/superchats)
>>104137224not sure why they're not spamming voicepacks, costs nothing to practice reading the script an hour each day, dodges the youtube superchat tax, and burger fans aren't gonna get fucked over by the trump tariffs
>>104137182Kek honestly i had to screencap this post because it almost made me feel sorry for them (but then i remembered they're a cancerous blight)
>>104137649homos have all but encouraged their fans to literally viewbot, so it's definitely about CCV etc. that the suits look at
True or not, the homos have been a financial and cultural mistake since day one and that's a fact.
>>104137345I agree but moreso because I subscribe to the theory that Male Vtubing just doesn't work outside of very select countries like Japan. Even if the Homos were A+ entertainers (which they're not), the fact they're having to use an anime character to stream makes people take them less seriously as streamers. I actually saw this first hand with my normie brother who watches cancer like Asmon, Quin, and a few other react streamers. The most common reasons he gave as to why "vtubers suck" are as follows>They probably look ugly >They're only larping anyway. Why don't they want to show their face?>Why do they look Korean/gay? (For males)>They look like gacha characters (for females)Weirdly enough, he doesn't have a problem with other content creators who use cartoon/meme avatars as stand ins (internet historian, oversimplified, death battle) as he doesn't consider them as vtubers. So maybe the problem is the anime aesthetic?
>>104138065btw did youtube stop bots from flooding into streams? because if not the best way to "support" talents is to spend it on natty logarithmic bots instead of actually giving the talents money
>>104138034>screencapping your own aberration of an ESL postJesus fuck I hate browns
>>104138200considering that shonen gets attention while having mostly male characters i'm surprised there hasn't been an attempt at lorefagging a shonen vtuber groupi guess the problem with that is that gaming/singing is a huge narrative clash for people that are supposed to fight every waking hour of their lives as opposed to slice of life in a magic schoolthe best way to do it would be to find decent artists that don't mind self-inserting themselves into a fictional world, to cut expenses drastically
>>104138231Botting is still happening but somehow it's become "less" both in frequency and magnitude. But it still happens. At the same time there's a viewership cull happening. So you literally have both botting and culling at the same time, it's fucking retarded, numbers mean nothing anymore.The dino homo has been getting botted to absolutely ridiculous numbers (like over 10k) for a long time and of course he pretends those numbers are real. The others don't get botted at all though. The botting is really weird because there doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to it.
>>104134121Literal welfare queens
>>104138361check vrabi, jurard got raided by iofi who got raided by a botted biboo back in march and i think that placed a target on his back because he basically had no bots before that
>>104138065I do kind of wonder the mindset here, like what exactly do they want? Do they think cover will give them more if more views or that more people will finally watch them if more views?
>>104138507>Do they think cover will give them more if more viewsThat.Recently Cover must have told them to finally provide some value to the company if they want more free gibsmedats. So the concert is their opportunity to prove they have an actual fanbase and can provide value to the company.A more dramatic interpretation would be that if the concert flops then Cover will flat out leave them to rot in their own piss or even downsize.But I don't see that happening, 5 years of flopping didn't make Yagoo stop lighting money on fire to shill them, he's never gonna give up on that vision of successful homos ever.
>>104137649Cover wants money but getting views at least justifies more investment. Yagoo is still making the decisions but one day he will start selling his shares. A lot of what he does is to boost Holostars and it's why Cover is burning so much on HoloEarth since they are looking to expand beyond idol fans.>>104138341A Shonen vtuber would likely require a woman RM to be successful they would have to constantly role play as their character. The magical girl mascot character being a huge success in Nijisanji actually does indicate that it could be done but it would be difficult. Hololive is a bit too lewd and sexual for a Shonen character and would be a 1000000% more controversial in Holostars. If any vtuber corpo would be willing to try a Shonen character it would be Nijisanji.
>>104138200the vast, VAST majority of the audience that watch vtubers originates from the same group of people that watch anime, which is a male dominated fanbase. There's literally no reason for the average male anime fan to watch some random guy larp as an anime fuck boy when when you already have regular male streamers that are most likely also weebs themselves and can do everything a male vtuber does already, so the male vtuber model in itself ends up acting more as a repellent than something that would appeal to you and pull you in as a male viewer.The big difference here is that the same can't be said about regular female streamers, most of them are either not into anime or straight up hate it so that's one of the big reasons why female vtubers are so successful. Them being anime girls that stream is like putting a big beacon on themselves to tell anime fans that they are girls that like anime too so that's why they have such a bigger pull on the anime watcheing fanbase.
>>104138884There's tons of female hololive fans, they don't give a shit about homos either
>>104138507They are fighting for their life here, remember Cover is a public traded company now meaning there's only so much bullshit Yagoo can feed the investor before they get out of hand.
>>104134399I am also a male so let me expand on this>Hey cute anime girl haha I didn't know women can occasionally be funny>Hey a fag *do not recommend*
>>104139062Is that simple, really.
>>104139062I largely agree that the demographic just isn't there, but I'm not 100% convinced male vtubers can't potentially work. It could actually be just a case of them all being talentless shitters. Like, is there ANY homo you can point to where you can say "look this guy is really talented and funny, but still nobody cares!" No, not really.Dumb&Dumber actually brought some momentum on debut and for fucks sake they even had fans posting in /hlgg/ for a bit. Needless to say they proved to be complete dipshits and frauds and literally crashed their entire branch permanently (congrats). But it does make me wonder if there isn't some 1/10000 alternate timeline where Tempiss could have worked.
>>104134440Ah, some monkeys breaking containment.
>>104138200Ah, so your family is made up by retards. No wonder your way of posting.
>>104139539I don't think talent is an issue, if you look at regular streamers they are typically dumbasses, but you do draw a good point. The typical male watches streams for two reasons.>Hey a fag is playing a game I like, haha he sucks ass I'll join chat in heckling him>Hey a fag is playing a game I like, hey he is actually p goodThe problem is that anime pretty boys instinctively signal to men that they are not here to entertain us but to fuck, because looking good is something a man does only when he wants to fuck women or how is an actual homo.So a chuuba that appeals to men needs to not look good, generic at most like most make protagonists in anime, ruggedly manly also works for the second category, but otherwise weak and pathetic appeals to the first category. I think (I never actually watched them since I am an unironic unicorn so this info is based solely on /here/ shitposts) Magni and Vesper got momentum because their models were on the ugly side fur Magni, prompting the magging meme as we joined together and had a laugh at it, and Vesper who looked manly enough and who supposedly was good at telling stories that made him look based.Of course these approaches do not appeal to women which are the market that male chuuba are trying to tap, usually in both ways, so they are at a quandary on how to appeal to these two demographics with wildly differing tastes.Basically make chuubas need an Osomatsu-kun that can appeal the whole men while being ugly enough for a man to toletate
>>104122213>>104134440that mouth rigging is atrocious its just open
>>104138341that's probably exactly it. i don't mind watching anime with male MCs if the combat is well animated enough and the female characters are hot, but male vtuber streams? there's nothing there for me. at best, i'd ignore the anime avatar and just watch the stream as a let's play, if the voice doesn't sound gay.
>>104134121I know none of you will ever click one of their videos but he didn't even say anything close to that. He made an exaggerated joke about how he will be put in a hole and beaten and no complaints about money or whatever else.
>>104140112Vesper didn't look manly, he looked like Alucard with a shoujo chin. He was designed by and for women, and the reason he had more male audiences was purely his content. And that's kind of the point; the model is less important than the content. Aethelstan's model is yumebait as hell, and yet his audience is 80% male. Meanwhile, you'll see plenty of models on twitch that explicitly appeal to men. There's one that literally looks like a Go Nagai character that's a mid 2view. Pretty much the only notable male vtuber with a design that explicitly appeals to men is Heavenlyfather.Conversely, look at Bettel. Someone who's been a known quantity to some extent for over a decade, with an almost entirely male audience pre-vtubing, has barely changed his content beyond being less edgy, and yet has an absolutely vicious female fanbase. I just think at this point, Holostars is kind of fucked. Even if you get the funniest guy of all time with a model by Akira Toriyama himself (RIP), you wouldn't get a male audience. Vesper and Magni's very bitter exit ruined for everyone going forward.Also, Osomatsu-kun audience is primarily fujos.
>>104138507Yes? I think it's obvious, good numbers attract more investments, either from sponsors or investors.
>>104139539>But it does make me wonder if there isn't some 1/10000 alternate timeline where Tempiss could have worked.It sure was, the timeline when Yagoo unfortunately didn't have a brain fart and debuted the homos before Luxiem and closely after Myth's debut. That would have surely made them extremely popular, but the catch is that all the nijisisters would have been starsisters. Having to endure a war because both branches (with the clear exception of Gura) were on par in subs would have been a real pain in the ass, and worse yet, it might have made management think that the best way to "calm the waters" would have been to emphasize mixed collabs.Nah, the homos failed thankfully due to poor timing, and that's why this is the best timeline.
>>104140886Yeah but it feels like it would lead to a case of constantly trying to row upstream. Because you needed to bot in order to get more stuff you'll need to bot to make the new stuff look good so they continue to get new stuff forever.
>>104139539Timing was a big factor, imagine if it had debuted after Advent instead of after months of nothing after Council.
>>104140695>/#/monkey making shit up to ragebait in /#/>same /#/monkey takes it to the catalog when it doesn't get responsesjust another day on /vt/If mods cared, they'd nuke that garbage thread.
>>104141376I swear to fucking god most of the drama and catalogfaggotry on this board originates from /#/
>>104134121I still can't fucking unhear the Alex Jones voice.
>>104139839Should I take your ESL post as proof of your third world education then?
>>104134671That first line applies to the girls too.
>>104134121No one posted the link?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doz_PmM12Mo&t=6341s
>>104138200You can say this about literally every vtuber, not just the men. Every one view or two view could make an actual living putting on a low cut top and doing ethot content as a flesh streamer, especially with an OF.
>>104138361Jurard has admitted bots are a thing, last time he had like 14,000 viewers he said it was most likely bots. Might want to watch the streamers you talk about in the future.
>>104143652>telling people to watch the waste of air homos..
>>104134121This is the one positive about Cover going public. The one speck of glitter shining in a 50 pound turd. Cover being forced to justify its spending means that these little cunts will finally get what they earn instead of what they feel entitled to.
>>104138065>(You) They're telling them to viewbot>(Picrel) mentioning that if you're doing an in-person watch along to have your own device open to the stream so they don't lose a viewDid you even read what either of these posts said or what.
>>104144359>Say something with absolute confidence about homos>Gets proven wrong and told to watch streams>LOL who would watch homosEvery time.
>>104142152Unlikely because even being a 3rd world country, we have better literate rates than those living on burguerland.
>>104140821I was prepared to tolerate him until he started acting like a woman. I can tolerate woman behaviour for actual women, but I draw a line when a man does it.
