Cause if your oshi’s actually worth anything, maybe stop flooding the board with low-effort bait and go support her like you aren’t a deadsub leech.Instead of complaining, try supporting them like a functioning fan for once.Just a thought.
>>104145386Isn't Silvi just some corpo staff?
>>104145386Everyone's seen her naked lol
>>104145341I'm okay with only streamers who do it for fun and not as a job existing.
>avatarschizo is back at it
>>104146581Mintfags deserve it for being insufferable twats
>>104145341Here's a very simple thought exercise. Why is it called an appearance fee? What costs are an appearance fee intended to offset for the person that is appearing? If your participation in an event is conditional on you receiving compensation then it is your responsibility to demand that compensation. If your participation in that event is not conditional on you receiving compensation then it can be argued that it is mutually beneficial and you really have no right to complain. Up til now I'd never really understood what some people have against Mint, but this is the first thing I've seen that has made me think she might actually just be a shitty person. Either demand an appearance fee or don't. What do you think you're accomplishing by being a passive aggressive bitch about it?
>Wisps: do nothing>avatarsister, numbersisters and corposisters: literally shitting and pissing their pants endlessly and flooding the catalog with the lowest effort bait
>>104147947>Wisps: do nothingNow that's a crock of shit.
>>104145341It's real. how is this bitch liked? just because she chopped off her breast?
>>104148170I think it has more to do with her fans thinking she's retarded and an anal slut.
>>104145341>does she have to pay to travel to the city of the convention?>does she have to pay for expenses like room and food to attend?>does she have to pay someone to transport and distribute her merch?>does she have paid events like meet and greets?>does she have to pay to use facilities to do panels or concerts?Depending on the con, many will cover expenses to come to the con in person, but for a vtuber, they don't even have to physically go there, so a lot of those expenses shouldn't be a factor. So really their only costs are time and paying someone to work merch tables and event venues for concerts. If they are paying for way more then they are going to some cheap ass and/or shady as fuck con or jthe person going is ust being retarded.
>>104145341I want fair treatment for vtubers but some people say that vtubers shouldn't be doing conventions anyway since it's supposed to be virtual entertainment that you can enjoy from your home, through the Internet. I think some middle ground is possible.
>>104145341Leeching doesn't get her con appearances
>>104145341Does she think vtubers should be treated the same as actual professionals like VAs and producers?
>>104150374Mint couldn’t care less. She’s just hiding behind the vtubing community and her fans to pressure con organizers into pretending she’s worth more than she is.
>>104145341does this mint whore do anything other than pity baiting?
>>104146740They seem normal to me
>>104145341Considering all that's left in this board is 3rd worldies that would be literally giving penies to a western woman you're barking up the wrong tree. How about trying Tower with thiss.
>>104147837Conventions don't treat vtubers the way they treat other kinds of guests like voice actors. Mint wants to challenge those expectations, which is completely fair.
>>104148004I literally never see them.
>>104152175I think it’s fair that they get paid something. But I think the fee for showing up on a screen from home in your pajamas should probably be like half of that of someone who actually has to take a flight and book a hotel somewhere.
>>104152239Half that is still more than nothing, which is the problem being addressed here.
>>104152239That's con dependent, some cons do make them hang around physically back stage.
>>104152175What I'm saying is that does she think that voice actors wait around for the convention to offer to pay them? Regardless a tweet is not the appropriate place for the discussion when it sounds like she hasn't even asked. If you ask and they say no then that's where you have a right to complain, but it sounds like right now she is complaining that a con hasn't offered to give her money and that's not how a job works.
>>104152543I take it you don't know a lot about voice actors
>>104145341>time and effort the same as irl guestsare these bitches aware the irl guests have to fly, book accommodations and occupy the space? they don't get to just turn off their computer and be done for the weekend
>>104153336To be fair to Mint, she does show up IRL to some of the cons.
>>104153384Out of her own interest in attending the con as an attendee. But even if she wanted to be labeled as a full guest in that regard, she would have to disclose to organizers who she is, where she will be and when, etc. Vtubers should have a distinct clause in this type of thing, since there is value in giving them the guest classification at maybe a reduced cost to someone belonging to a corporation or agency. The main problem is that as an indie she has no pull or structure for cons to feel comfortable in taking the potential risk in. The girl honestly needs a real manager already. I don't know why she didn't get one out the gate.
>>104154118>a manager>for an indie vtuber>one that won’t rip you off nor leak your info>one that isn’t some psycho wisp in disguise That’s way more difficult than you realize. Going corpo helps deal with that nonsense.
>>104154323Considering how often wisps are pissing and shitting themselves in chat while they cry, I doubt many of them can kayfabe themselves into holding a job. Your concerns are valid though.
>>104152239might as well ignore indie vtubers if they are that demanding
>>104146105>>104145386Is she hot?
>>104153336When a convention invites a flesh guest, the convention pays for their flight, hotel, etc. on top of the appearance fees the flesh guest charges. With vtubers, there are no flight/hotel/etc costs, so if anything vtubers are cheaper to invite, and yet they try to cheap out even more by not paying them an appearance fee.
>>104156139An IRL guest is at the event, you interact with them even when they're not at their panel. That's how I unironically played random board games with ProZD* at a convention last month. A VTuber gives you a limited video call at a set session. Not even remotely the same.This reminds me of when she posted as Nerd saying she wished more people greeted her. Maybe if she marketed her flesh personality more or made the connection explicit like idk Ama Lee then she has a better chance as an IRL guest while leveraging her Vtuber personality.* lmao at least he was chill in person
>>104156715If anything, that would result in the the convention having to spend more time and resources taking care of the flesh guest throughout the entire convention weekend, whereas they only need to "take care" of the vtuber during the panel time, after which the convention never has to put any time/resources towards the vtuber for the rest of the weekend.
>>104156715nerd?
>>104150757based
>>104156972Yeah, you take care of them with an appearance fee. They get paid to hang out at a con, run an event in person and otherwise interact with fans throughout the weekend. Maybe if you are RDJ at Comic Con, you're getting red carpet treatment, a dressing room and a security detail.The reality of this kind of low skill fully remote job is you're more or less just a body. You're a tele-factory worker. They don't need YOU, they just need someone who can operate the robot to take people's orders in some Japanese tourist cafe. In this case, that's to fill up some dead air in venue space that's already paid for. If she won't take it, presumably someone else will and even if they don't they didn't lose anything.If I'm being really critical, streamers already have it really fucking good. They already know from their metrics how much they can expect to make every time they click broadcast, from subs and supas and streamalbs and merch which works out better when your character is already designed to be a mascot. Indies even control their IP. People meme about getting paid for exposure, but that's worth its weight in gold when that's literally your job. That's how you get sponsorships and collab opportunities. This isn't your typical artist alley creator who can only do so many commissions at a time. This is someone who, if they run a good event, adds to their viewership which means more revenue from all their streams of income. Another personal anecdote, I attended Smash Con in 2022 when I was on sabbatical and I remember having enough fun at her panel with Bae I made sure to watch every Sana stream until her graduation at the end of the month. Again, compare that to actors who show up to cons for supplemental income between gigs that they only have so much control over, and who don't have as many opportunities to chat with or receive gifts from fans.So, sorry I can't exactly sympathize with someone who doesn't even have a fraction of the recognition of a BSG supporting cast member not getting a bag for a virtual conference. Again, maybe if she broke the barrier between her flesh persona and her avatar she might be able to command more from an appearance, but wanting both the cloister of anonymity while demanding the same respect as people who have to actually put themselves out there is a little too greedy and too naive for me.
>>104159045The appearance fee is only to get them to appear at the con, not to take care of them at the con throughout the weekend. That's extra cost the con has to put towards flesh guests - something they won't have to pay for vtubers.
>>104159196so they're both complaining for being literal whos that the con doesn't really care for but don't mind filling a slot, lol! *sips coffee pot*
>>104159196Most people are not Chris Evans and need A-List treatment. What the fuck are you on about?
>>104151418She's pretty good at leeching too, from what I gather.
>>104145341>they do it for free
>>104151950He's been trying to frame "mintfags" or "mintbeggars" or "mintcucks" as "the worst fanbase" for months now. He switches up the word he uses every once in a while but every time someone asks him for an example he ignores it and keeps shitting himself.
>>104159045>I attended Smash Con in 2022 when I was on sabbatical and I remember having enough fun at her panel with Bae I made sure to watch every Sana stream until her graduation at the end of the month.wait what the fuck was holo doing at as smash tournament
>>104145341>be a literal who>get the opportunity to advertise yourself without breaking the bank on ads and buying sponsor spots>still bitch and moanwomen (derogatory)
>>104152175/b/int is a literal who compared to the voice actors she's talking about
>>104161486Mint voice acted in a Touhou game retard
>>104161515to every big name voice actor there are thousands of literal whos who don't get paid... hell, they don't even get invited
>>104146105which of the two
>>104145341>Convention: Hey, would you like to do all this work to promote our event so we can make more money?>Vtuber: Sure, how much will you pay me for this work?>Convention: Pay? Lol.I don't see how the cons could ever be considered to be in the right here. If you ask someone to do work for you then you pay them for that work. That's how the world works. If you can't pay, don't ask.
Cons are dogshit anyway. 99% of your fanbase doesn't live in that area but a con event will take a stream slot 100% of the time.
>>104145341Mint is a worthless slut who thinks is hot shit when she's at most the pet of some higher profile chuubas
>all these subhuman nijiniggers seethingI love Mint so much lol
I do find threads like these fascinating, because it does give you a more descriptive outlook on how the mind of an online schizophrenic and bipolar subject operates. They make up their own truths as they go along, even when there's no tangible proof of it ever happening. And it's not just to fool others, but themselves too. They get warped up in their own fantasy stories that they begin to genuinely believe it as the truth. And an environment like this breeds and encourages this type of behaviour, because there's no drawbacks. It's the same result in Nimi threads, Saba threads, and even Holo talent threads. One piece of information is revealed to them (Nimi's marriage for example), then the schizo comes to the conclusion that they are a malicious, evil and spiteful person. It doesn't matter what the actual reasoning is, or how well those intentions actually are. They love being angry. It's a trigger to their dopamine receptors. It doesn't matter how deep into their own web of lies they are in, as long as a strong emotional response kicks in, it yields a satisfactory result. So next time you see a thread and reply clearly made by a schizophrenic person, do not reply to them. Don't give them that satisfactory. They will reply to themselves using their own strawmen as much as they want. In the end, use your time wisely on what brings you happiness.
>>104161858>higher profile chuubasThere literally are none outside of hololive
>>104150757Correct take
>>104162304Phased
>>104162379Well, isn't she Kiara's pet?>none outside of hololiveIsn't she also Nimi's pet now?
>>104162459NoNo
>>104162304Yeah catalog shitposters have always twisted facts to suit whatever agenda they're trying to push at this time. Lots of manufactured outrage over things that nobody really cares about.
>>104162379>higher profile chuubas>There literally are none outside of hololivePretty much all of Ironmouse's, Bao's, and Vedal's orbiters are bigger than fucking Mint, and plenty are bigger than many holosYou're fucking delusional
>>104162643Twitch numbers aren’t real
>>104161613thispeople acting like vtubers are entitled for thinking they deserve some form of monetary compensation are out of their mindmint has a ton of fans who attend cons specifically to meet her and she's big enough on her platform that cons trying to leverage the whole>b-b-but think of the exposure!if they thought mint wouldn't bring substantial revenue to the con through attendees going for her, they just wouldn't invite her to begin with over someone far more popular
>>104162740>if they thought mint wouldn't bring substantial revenue to the con through attendees going for her, they just wouldn't invite her to begin with over someone far more popularThey invite her because it’s free
>>104162740>headcanon takeTheir treatment makes it clear, they never saw Mint as someone worth the main guest package or its privileges.
>>104159214Sisters unironically believed Mint would attract a large audience.
