Japan is having its own immigration counter movement right now similar to US and EU, even though they don't have remotely as many immigrants. Probably because some people in their gov do what to import a ton of them to keep the population up and fill vacant jobs, so they are starting to make a fuss now to head that off the avoid becoming like bongland.

Vivi discovered gypsies.

>>104252257
Umm has she tried not being a racist and celebrating diversity?

>>104252257
That's funny because my asian face blindness makes the Nigel Farage of Japan look like the chad version of the it's all tiresome guy

>>104252066
This is why peko love her

>>104252368
spbp

>>104252257
If Japanese women DOUBLE the birthrate starting from next month the population will still decline by 70% from 120mil to 40mil until 2100.
Japan is literally over. It's dying.
Women would need to have an average of 6.3 children for the next 35(!) years to stabilize the population.
Immigrants are the only way they can at least make sure there is someone to care for the elderly until it's over.

>>104252773
maybe it's time to ui-mama women
for the greater good

>>104252066
>avoid becoming like bongland.
avoid constant growth of GDP? I hope they do well with that.

>>104253131
cope paki rape target

>>104252257
Their current number of working age population can't support both the pensioners and children. The move to import workforce from overseas is understandable even if it causes problems.
Whether Japan can go back to being "safe" depends on how they handle this shit. Hopefully they learnt from Europe's mistakes

>>104253131
how's your fish and chips?

>>104253162
Anyone remember how in froot's google doccy she mentioned being traumatized by being groped by a man in sweden while she was sleeping in an airport? weird how she was so vague about what sort of man it was rumao

>>104252066
>Though there are far fewer foreigners than Japanese people, more foreigners commit crimes (theft, assault, rape, murder, etc.) than Japanese people.
>They frequently break rules, get into arguments, and fight.
>They try to force through foreign rules while in Japan.
>Not only do they not respect Japan or the Japanese people, but they insult them.
>Even though they are the bad guys, they act like the victim.
>There has been a series of incidents that have never happened in Japan before, such as theft of public property (gutter covers), bridge parts, and all kinds of metal, as well as electrical and copper wires.
>Due to being victims of theft, some farmers have stopped operating unmanned fruit and vegetable vending machines.
>Vegetables and fruit are stolen en masse just before harvest, and a few days later, foreigners (mainly Chinese and Vietnamese) sell the same items without a license on the streets of cities.
>The majority of malicious resellers are foreigners.
>They buy up apartments, raise prices several to ten times, drive out Japanese people, and abuse the law to obtain special visas and subsidized income.
>"xenophobic."
I wonder why.

>>104253162
>>104253261
arguments?

Over in Japan they're facing the same economic pressure on their government that Europe is due to declining population, but they are less keen on throwing out their culture, language, standard of living, social cohesion, and low crime

>>104253131
And yet your small island is still becoming an impoverished shithole, except now more kids get raped

>>104253325
i'm all for them protecting their culture, language, standard of living, social cohesion, and low crime. But it'll go away anyway if their country is fucked from low birth rate. Why can't they just have sex?
Importing overseas workers is definitely their last resort after failing to encourage Japanese people have sex.

>>104253317
yeah look at bongland and most of europe nigger lover

>she’s trying to criticize the policy of Japanese government in public.
Bad holo
Need correction

>>104253378
>And yet your small island is still becoming an impoverished shithole,
not really
>except now more kids get raped
you can't rape kids because you don't have any
>>104253404
you can't encourage people to have sex
it's just not possible in an age with more convenient sources of happiness
>>104253422
im lookin out right now, seems fine to me

>>104252257
If they wanted to be serious about raising birth rates, they would have to give massive incentives and time off for parents to raise children for many years, making single-income households viable again for decades to come, which can never happen as long as GDP remains an important KPI.

>>104253508
>they would have to give massive incentives and time off for parents to raise children for many years,
none of that shit works

Dying out is preferable than importing thousands of 3rd world subhumans.

>>104253378
try tuning in to some jap news on any given day, chances are there's a coverage of a kid getting raped and murdered, new one everyday

>>104253572
so what you are saying is that they are free to report that while in bogland they cover it up
and how many of those japanese kids are raped by vietnamese and other imported workforce I wonder

>>104253317
No, really I'm interested in how that sector is faring because I heard it's in decline for two or three years already

>>104253645
couldn't tell you, i live in germany
our national dish is döner kebab

>>104253671
that explains a lot

>>104252257
Do they also have subversives jews and racetraitor karens in their government?

>>104253621
you can check yourself if you've memorized some hentai tags and keywords. But really open one of their 24/7 streams and you'll see some guy, undoubtedly Japanese despite their mask autism, getting led to a police car

>>104253671
You can eat real kebabs only in Japan.
Chicken kebab.

>>104253572
It's hardly "part and parcel" like it's becoming in Europe. And even now it's likely Sanseito will win soon because of all this.

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>>104253671
>our national dish is döner kebab
To be fair you krauts haven't invented anything worth consuming since beer. Pic related.

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>>104253671
kek

>>104253537
it literally does you fucking retard read a paper for once instead of being your mother's greatest disappointment

>>104253931
>read a paper
i have, it doesn't work

>>104253820
isn't that the educational rat mascot?

>>104253935
cite sources faggot

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>>104253757
>Sanseito
I can’t wait for them to have their own Vtuber PR girl.
Their arguments are
>immigration must be limited to 10 percent of the population. 10% is Ok because Japan was originally developed by immigrants from Korea and China in the ancient times.
>Stop killing wild bears, even though they are killing Japanese people in local areas. Pay respects to Mother Nature.
>Stop eating bread. GHQ imposed the habit of eating flour on the people of Japan after WW2. Diabetes, cancers, depressions, you name it. All those diseases came from the US.
it’s a mishmash of ultranationalists, globalists, veganism, Shintoism and even communism. The best is about to come.

>>104254004
meant for >>104253931

>>104254016
oh yeah I forgot they are dead afraid of melonpan

the crime rate stuff is more salient in japan because a very low crime rate going up a few percentage points is more noticeable than a high crime rate going up a few percentage points

>>104252257
If she doesn't want immigrants flooding in then she better do her part and spread those legs.

>>104254062
what problem do they have with melon bread?

>>104252773
If they pay my expenses I will move over there and get to work fixing this mess.

>>104254126
it's what the other anon said really

>>104254132
japan doesn't need low quality gaijin seed

>>104254016
>Stop eating bread
Are they wrong though? Ever since I stopped eating bread altogether and switched to rice I've felt a lot healthier and more energized. Unless you make it yourself bread is pumped full of chemicals and sugars and preservatives and crap.

>>104254149
>Unless you make it yourself bread is pumped full of chemicals and sugars and preservatives and crap.
in japan?

>>104254142
but melonpan was introduced before ww2

>>104254016
This is what I hate about these fringe parties, they have a couple of good policies that the main parties constantly ignore and then they include a bunch of batshit insane or completely impossible policies that make them utterly unviable.

>>104253671
I thought it was sauerbraten

>>104252066
based, hopefully she encourages others to vote the right way in the coming elections.

>>104253456
>im lookin out right now, seems fine to me
So are you willfully ignorant or blind?

based, keep american rats out of your country

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>>104254126
They believe breads cause cancer because flour is harmful to the digestive system of Japanese people, whereas the leader of the party posts the picture of himself enjoying ramen.
There must be a bear girl Vtuber who
>hates China, but becomes even more furious when it comes to the US because they forced Japan to eat flour.
>Japanese first, but Japanese bears are even more first.
>asks for absolute loyalty to the emperor, while she herself fail to pronounce the name of the prince correctly.
>loves Ponzi scheme. She believes all modern governments are basically professional grade version of MLM.

>>104252066
No, this is just the usual thing that happens in K*nsai

>>104254344
I'd watch her debut

>>104254344
>the leader of the party posts the picture of himself enjoying ramen.
Gotta give it to the guy when the current PM is a walking PSA on how not to eat one

>>104254016
>>Stop killing wild bears,
I hate people like this.
The kind of person shedding tears for wild animals doesn't have to deal with them.

>>104252257
>keep the population up and fill vacant jobs

Definitely not why they're doing it. They said the same lie to us, it's the same lie now. If they wanted warm bodies to fill jobs, they wouldn't be importing some of the least productive, least socially responsible people in the world from the poorest, rapey-ist countries in the world.

No, the Japanese parliament has gotten a great big check from a great big conglomerate of rootless cosmopolitan elites as we like to call them to do this. Its express intent is to make Japan no longer Japanese in any way. Don't let them off the hook with "i didn't know guvna, honest"

>>104254399
if you got torn to pieces by a bear i would cheer for the bear
you're going to have to get over it

>>104254016
10% is too much, have you seen minneapolis?

>>104254460
>outnumber someone 9:1
>still scared

>>104254505
yeah and then they each have 10 kids

>>104254527
skill issue

>>104254527
>american rat infesting your country has 10 kids
>bring in 10 less americans to keep the ratio correct
wow that was hard

>>104254460
You don’t know the miracle of Yayoi.
Before Japan accepted massive immigrants from Korean Peninsula, there were only barbaric Jomons collecting acorns living in miserable pit dwellings.

>>104254505
A you suggesting we shouldn't be concerned because we should just start a race war to fix everything?

>>104254505
>>104254527
>>104254545
>dude it's only 10% why are you so scared?
>because they breed like gophers
>HAHA sucks to be you chud!

Why do you think we have to take you fuckers seriously? This is obviously antagonistic, why are we even discussing this like it's sensible for both parties?

I will go to Japan and fix their birthrate

>>104254575
>>104254577
>easy solution
>still scared
see >>104254555 and quit crying

>>104254060
>cant prove it
>even though itd be the easiest thing to prove
KWAB

>>104252773
>Immigrants are the only way they can at least make sure there is someone to care for the elderly until it's over.
Have you seen how niggers treat the people in nursing homes? You don't want them "caring" for you in your old age unless you want to get your ass beaten for looking at one of them the wrong way

>>104254638
when I get old I'm signing a DNR so fast bro, I refuse to be a burden on my family and the system and the second I start seeing dementia symptoms I'm opting for my retirement plan

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>>104254555
>>104254600
>end all immigration
>immigrants continue to outbreed you in ethnic enclaves forever

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>>104254581
Soon Japan develops humanoid maiden robot with the aid of technologies from China. (Chinese government doesn’t want their people to have their personal sex robots)
You come to Japan, and die in loneliness.

>>104254628
sorry, meant for >>104253931

>>104254734
if you lose a strict 9:1 head start you deserve it. natural selection at that point

>>104252773
Japan was overpopulated in relation to the amount of land available, going down to a more reasonable population is not necessarily a bad thing

>>104254774
No.
Japan should have kept its land OVERPOPULATED and exporting the excessive people to the nations like Brazil, Peru, Hawaii, Indonesia, Egypt.
You choose either to be the dominant species or become extinct. Emigrations is the key.

>>104254762
embarrassing brownhands performance

>>104254765
point is you never even have to take the challenge on in the first place, it's entirely self imposed. if they're really set on preserving their culture, they should embrace what that entails and live with the consequences. if they're complaining about the effects of a 3.8% foreign population, a 10% foreign population is gonna be way worse. I don't know why anyone buys into the assumption that all first world nations with declining birth rates just HAVE to cuck themselves out and sacrifice their ethnic identity to prop up their all-important economy, it'll just be a period of hardship and then they'll build again, boom and bust, ebb and flow...

>>104254873
point is they could set the number to zero and still fail, because like all failed animals they refuse to successfully breed. what do you think will happen when there's none left? delaying the inevitable

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>You should accept the proposal of arranged marriage, peko chan.
>You’re aging and our population is declining. Please listen to me.

>>104254901
>what do you think will happen when there's none left?
Humanity regresses to the stone age because everyone else was just riding on the white mans coattails

>>104252066
Could anyone post a link to the clip?

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>>104254735
China also has a growing elderly population and not enough youngsters to take care of it.

>>104254638
They mostly get philippino nurses, and they usually take good care of the elderly. Even your nigger comment doesn't really make sense, Africa is huge and the people are all different, I had a few nurses from Botswana in the hospital I used to work at, and they were way more respectful to patients than our local chav nurses.

>>104254940
ah yes all those white people in japan. did you forget what you were talking about about, anon?

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>>104254901
I would say things could change when the older population ages out and the economy becomes less focused on supporting them through their finals years but looking at this graph it looks pretty fucking grim, we're talking about waiting like 30-40 years for that to happen

>>104254734
You need very insular ethnic ghettos for that and a much larger immigrant population, or after a generation that community's birthrate also declines

>>104254873
You based your understanding on the assumption that all Japanese citizens belong to the prime worker class, which is wrong; they are mostly elderly. China faces the similar issue, but they are communists and can deal with it more easily.

>>104254952
>Mr Xi and his party prohibit Chinese scientists and engineers from developing live action anime girl. Their technologies are only meant for humanoid caretakers.
>Chinese people jailbreak the system as usual, as they always do.
>Japan avidly import the technology just like they learn Chinese characters.
>the earth is filled with anime girls, no male. Humans become endangered minorities.
>Robots call you “Oniichan”, meaning basically equivalent to n-word because they see you as subhumans.

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>>104254961
we're by far the most desirable gaijin
try again, retard

>>104254216
Bullshit.
Stop learning things from the internet.
“Melon” is a western word in the first place.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHSzh2BPCdM&pp=ygUPVml2aSB4ZW5vcGhvYmlj
I checked the clip.
The woman she thought was a pickpocket DIDN’T steal her purse/phone.
She just chased a suspicious non-Japanese and became her ultimate Karen mode on a roadside.

Shes friends with Pekora, what did you expect? I bet she also hates okama

>>104252773
The population will respond to environmental pressures, it does not need to be stabilised, and especially not by infinity browns that disrupt this process by competing for resources with the host population and introducing friction into their society.

>>104252773
>>104253222
The problem is that every country where you could get decent immigrants is experiencing the same thing, so immigrants are only available from the worst, least developed countries where the average IQ is 75. And such people simply aren't a replacement for the native population. The harsh reality is that for any country to survive the fertility collapse they must turn their backs on the elderly.

>>104253931
Check out Simone and Malcolm Collins on YouTube. They're a pronatalist couple obsessed with this stuff and have gone over all the data. Literally no governmental solutions work. Giving parents more paid time off won't work. Wealth actually negatively correlates with fertility, even it someone has so much money that they never have to work again, they still have fewer kids.

Japan should follow in America's footsteps and create Japanese ICE to round up all the immigrants and make Japan Safe/Japanese Again.

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Why you just stop complaining and accept arranged marriage?
If you had a girl/boy under the same roof when you’re 25 or so, you inevitably have sex.
Thats what Pekomama did, and how Pekora was born.

>>104252773
Yeah stopping horny teenagers fucking have serious consequence, ya know. Also the media teach people to fear of marriage and pregnancy

>>104252773
Line must always go up! Number go up! GDP must go up!
No. Old people will die, smaller population will keep Japan from becoming an overpopulated third world shithole and keep wages up. There's also many other things to consider with mass-importing foreigners, like social cohesion, culture, crime etc.
Don't pretend like we don't have enough examples on why this is a terrible idea.
The bigwig retards only see short-gain profit and will absolutely destroy their own countries for it, but line cannot go up forever.
We need more workers,. which means more people that need to be taken care of, which means we need to import more workers, which means...this goes on infinitely? This isn't a never ending loop, go this route and things will eventually crash way worse then they would with a population collapse.

>>104253281
Korean have immigrants too, but they don't have those problems

>>104253456
>you can't encourage people to have sex
But you already did, by converting the country to mudslime

Why doesn’t anyone react to my constructive suggestion >>104255486 but only keep screaming hate speech to immigrants?
That’s what makes your country worse, for sure.

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how many times do we have to have this conversation. "OMG WHAT IF THE POPULATION COLLAPSES. OMG WHAT IF THE COUNTRY DIES. OMG IMMIGRANTS ARE LE HECKING WHOLESOME. OMG IMMIGRANTS ARE LE HECKING RAPISTS. OMG ITS THE JEWS. OMG ITS ACTUALLY CAPITALISM. OMG ITS ACTUALLY A CIA PSYOP. OMG ITS CAUSE PEOPLE ARE POOR. OMG ITS COS PEOPLE ARE RICH. WHAT IF HUMANITY DIES OUT? OMG WHAT ABOUT THIS OR THAT OR BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH". say it slowly with me friends. Nothing. Ever. Happens. check back in a few years, youll see im right, as us nothingeverhappen chads always are.

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>>104255618
>gib attention plox
Here (You) go, faggot.
Go to a matchmaker and start making babies yourself, retard.

Japan would get invaded by China in the future due to the Japanese population problem. China also has a population problem but China outnumbers Japanese like cockroaches. China would get revenge for the atrocities committed by Japan and would do the same but 10x more worse. Nobody will go against China since China becomes the next world top superpower after America falls in decline due to civil war caused by the radical left.

>>104255690
the only thing that will surely happen is things will get worse but they'll try to make us feel good about it

>>104253720
They answer to Washington like the rest of the western world, so yes.

>>104254147
then they get chinese

>>104252773
I will save japan

>>104255368
if you turn your back on the elderly literally no one is incentivized to be part of the system

>>104256098
everything else they have already came from china, what's one more thing

>>104254638
to be fair, it's not black people who are causing trouble in japan. it's chinese, koreans, russians, SEA etc.

>>104256205
The system has failed. If you want to be taken care of in your old age, have lots of kids.

>>104256249
sure thing, nigger

>>104256249
The SEAmonkies in Nippon are well behaved.

>>104256274
and people simultaneously are either too poor to afford a family or too rich to need a family so we're back at square 1
>wealth inequality
free luigi

>>104253281
Don't worry, jp government is on it. Double tourist numbers in 10 years, import 500.000 pajeets - all under control.

>>104252452
please tell me you’re either being naive or being sarcastic.
The Driver of Racism & therefore true enemy of Diversity is only acknowledging the evils of one or some racial group while denying &/or dismissing the evils of other racial groups.
Diversity can only be maintained and Racism continually defeated if and only if the Evils of all Races are openly talked about.

If there is a problem of Racial Supremacists who want to force out Law Abiding Immigrants, it is to be both discussed openly and most importantly actually dealt with directly.

If there is a problem of some percentage of immigrants who are going around and Breaking the Law, it is to be both discussed openly and most importantly actually dealt with directly.

We can’t let ourselves get so emotionally charged as to succumb to Excessive Impulsive Variants of Radicalization and blind ourselves from actual sensible solutions that actually get things done without becoming self defeating.

>>104252773
retarded globalist propaganda. Automation is what should provide sufficient care for the elderly an drive GDP growth, while allowing population to dwindle to a stable level, without becoming muttmerica.

>>104253131
>GDP = quality of life
You don't even believe that yourself

>>104254315
The ruling Liberals are the rightwing in Japan

>>104256286
but it's true? most of the time black people in tokyo are just dudes selling street wear in harajuku. they've always been around and not been much of an issue because they're fashionable and not disgusting fat slobs.
russians are much fucking worse and practically all of asia is sick to death of them. they're rude and violent.
indians are also rude and sexually harass people.
chinese are rude and actively hate and look down on japanese culture.
SEA is hit or miss.
white is hit or miss.
but really most people are fine, as always, and it's only a few causing problems. japanese people are also just very racist.

>>104252773
You sound like those fags that said we will all be dead cuz of the climate change

Society is much more complicated than simple projections

Even one of the high demons from WEF (and BlackRock's CEO) said that the countries with the best future are those that have declining population and xenophobic policies thanks to AI, automation and bots

>>104256303
>spoiler tag
say it with your whole chest you larping faggot
luigi was right
luigi is innocent
luigi deserves freedom
FREE LUIGI

>>104256643
>ruling Liberals
No ruler can be "liberal". Just think about
>Korone
>Suisei
>Fubuki
>Mori
>Migo
>Fuwawa
You can be a "liberal" only when you take no responsibility like
>Marine
>Pekora
>Fauna
>Mococo

>>104256303
Nonsense, fertility negatively correlates with wealth all across the spectrum, it's not like there's some spike in the middle class. And people should have children because they want them not because they need them.

>>104256719
nigga you are actually retarded

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>>104252773
Japan should have a decline in population. They have 120 million people packed onto a tiny island. For comparison the US has less than 3 times that population spread out over a landmass 26 times larger, giving Japan a population density almost 10 times higher than the US. Why should the Japanese have to live like sardines in a can just because "the line must go up"? Fuck that, make the line go down. Browns stay home.

>>104252066
They should stop saying overseas and say that they mean brown sea fags

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>>104256728
What you mean?
Once you hold a position where you can make some profit out of the society, that's the definition of "right wing". Vested interests.
Unless you become a Right you can't have power.

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>>104256691
Yes, everybody rude, except for niggers. Are you that Johnny Somalia guy posting from prison by any chance?

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>>104255252
Hey let's get back to the topic.
The girl Vivi pinned down was not the culprit of the crime, she didn't steal anything from Vv's bag, OK?

>>104256829
how the fuck did that ceiling crumple like it was made from concrete?

>>104256778
That's how they like it. There are tons of ghost towns in Japan because the Japanese hate nature and having space. They are all moving to Tokyo. If you put a 日本人 in a house with a yard, they violently react and demand a sardine box.

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>>104256848
>a house with a yard
Actually, Kanata chose to stay in a carboard box when she was living in 1 room apartment.

>>104256846
Seems like old, cheap plastic and some kind of cheaper fiberglass-like material.

>>104256778
The problem that's fucking over all these low birthrate countries is that each generation is smaller than the last, but the last generation is still around. The elderly age out of working and need to live off of their pensions and vacuum up medical resources. But now there are fewer young people supporting them, and then those young people become old and retire and there's even fewer young people supporting them. The economy ceases to be productive enough to both support the young workers and the elderly, and since the elderly have all the assets and property from a lifetime of work, the young are out at a disadvantage, which reduces their productivity further and accelerates the issue. It's not just a demographic collapse, it's an economic collapse as well, and it gets worse exponentially as each generation produces proportionately fewer offspring than the last.

Immigration doesn't really solve this, it just temporarily injects enough productivity into the economy to keep the old people happy. But the old people have the power and make the decisions, so this is their solution.

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>INCONVENIENT FACT
"Nothing was stolen"

>>104256303
Wealth inequality actually positively correlates with fertility. Japan is one of the most equal countries in terms of wealth distribution. If the goal is more babies, then you would actually want more inequality.

>>104252773
>Japan is literally over. It's dying.
That sounds like the whispers of a demon about to offer someone a horrible deal. To suggest that Japan can't fix their own problems is to argue they need help and have the feeling that Satan worshipping pedos in western governments would only make the situation worse.

>>104252773
>Immigrants are the only way they can at least make sure there is someone to care for the elderly until it's over.
So they need to bring in huge numbers of third world immigrants so their population numbers don't go down? What is the good of the wealth of this world if you sell your sell to Satan? What good is keeping the Japanese GDP number high if that vastly increases theft, rape, and murder?

>>104252066
>Cover keeps wanting to bring the talents into JP
>These girls obviously bring in their husbands/boyfriends/family/friends
>This pandering also gets viewers to visit and move over
>Get mad when you get pajeets, seaniggers, amerilards, and coons - when that's your target audience
Cry about it as you learn what "Plan B" medication is you whore

>>104256846
>>104256936
It's AIslop you blind retards. I know dumb techilliterate boomers can't tell it apart, but good lord, the future is looking grim if even the supposed autists on here are so easily fooled.

>>104256829
You really think these types of American black people are taking trips to Japan? Like I get you hate seeing them when you go to your local Walmart or whatever, but these simply aren't the people holidaying in Japan let alone immigrating there. Be racist all you like, I truly don't give a shit, but don't lie to my face lol.
Hating niggers isn't a replacement for a personality.

>>104256778
>the line must go up, fuck that
You're right, capitalism is the problem

>Introduce personal firearms to only japanese citizens
>Give them a southern state's definition of "stand your ground" legal defense
>wait 5~ years
Boom, problem solved

>pol bait thread
kys

>>104252773
Japan will not be Japan anymore if immigrants come and outbreed the natives for muh population. That's fucking retarded.

>>104256778
Density is something positive and like others said they choose their livestyle. HoloJP has howmany that have stories of their inaka childhood? but they all end up moving to Tokyo.

>>104257162
Capitalism is simply the private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is perfectly compatible with a declining population and economy.

The actual problem is the government Ponzi scheme that funds itself on the next generation of tax payers. Such a system cannot endure a decline in GDP.

>>104252066
Based and redpilled.

>>104252773
Automation and AI will likely replace tons of jobs in the future so there isn't necessarily a need for the Japanese population to grow, even a moderate decrease over the next decades wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
The same is true for all developed countries.
Economic considerations aside, population sizes in general have steadily grown for the last few centuries and our planet and resources are finite so the growth had to stop at some point anyway, the line can't go up for an eternity.

>>104252066
Based. I would give anything to have an ethnostate.

>>104257398
These dipshits literally cant comprehend people caring about anything other than population growth. In their minds we should just turn every country into India because it would help the "population"

>NOTHING
>WAS
>STOLEN
Guys, it’s just like the US in 1920s..
You call random minority criminal and everyone gets on your side..

>>104257480
If they don't like it they can go back home.

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>>104257480
Ah, the good ol' days...

>>104256950
Way too late, you let the /pol/fags fester

>>104256962
Japan is still negative but has been recovering even if it will never be enough, whereas S. Korea is as low as ever. And that's just one counter example.

>>104257348
>Capitalism is simply the private ownership of the means of production
...for the primary goal of generating profit to compete in a free market. Which means beating the competition, which means endless growth.
>Capitalism is perfectly compatible with a declining population and economy
>and economy
The free market destroys those who can't compete. A declining economy is outpaced and eaten by a growing one.

>Vtuber gets robbed
>Omg how dare she criticize the thief!
Dutch Anon here, it's better to let your country implode on itself than to be ethnically replaced.
Anyone who screams about "muh greying population" "muh GDP" "we need foreign labor" should be thrown into the ocean immediately or punched in the head. All this leads to is the third world being sent endlessly into your country and draining the social welfare system, never integrating, crime statistic s skyrocketing and another homogeneous society ending up in shambles.

>>104257607
>Dutch
Deserved

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>>104252066
Let's see the race of the perpetrator.

>>104257242
I always see you faggots call it /pol/ when the same things are said on our sister board /v/. The truth is none of these views are actually radical and are more accepted than you think.

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>>104257624
Deserved for what

>>104257637
Does that somehow not make it political?

>>104257585
Yup, we actually repopulate and spread our values and that's we aren't in decline like a certain island nation in Asia.

>>104253131
Your country just admitted they have a massive rape gang from sand people.

>Vivi’s friend with Pekora, what do you expect from her?
What do you mean?
Our rabbi is a benevolent philanthropist.

>>104257649
You're a deeply annoying people

>>104257683
Don't bother, I learned long ago that Bong "men" are the biggest cucks in the world. They truly believe Big Brother has their best interests at heart.

>>104257637
>our sister board /v/
Most /v/tards seem to have an irrational hatred of vtubers, I doubt they share your sisterly/brotherly sentiment

>>104257727
We have a vtuber thread there daily at the very least. Even the haters admit Holo has amazing fangames and that Ina is perfect.

>>104257727
just like /vt/ then.

>>104257637
>our sister board /v/
>that doesn't make it political
Crawl back to your shit board /pol/neger we have enough retards here without you astroturfing tourists

>>104256950
Even if nothing was stolen, the intent to steal was obvious, and given the unwanted physical altercation you could probably claim it was a form of assault, at the very least an attempted theft.

>>104256848
>>104257337
They move to Tokyo because that's where all the jobs are.

>>104252773
Retard. Japan had a population of 40M right before the second world war started. For most of its history Japan was below 30M. Post-war baby boom is over and Japan is simply going back to its pre-war numbers.
All the doomposting about muh dying nation is just globalist propaganda.

>>104257595
Those who are profitable will certainly outgrow those who aren't, but it isn't a necessity of capitalism that growth takes place. Capitalism is just the private ownership of the means of production, socialism is just the public(state) ownership of the means of production. Neither are intrinsically defeated by a declining economy, but it's socialism that created the conditions that require growth we are experiencing.

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>>104257819
> the intent to steal was obvious,
Only by her own account.

>>104257837
More like because Tokyo never sleeps and they want to party their youth away. You don't need to move to Tokyo to job at an Kombini.

>>104252066
Every group regardless of political affilation always tries their best to ignore that women not popping out babies is why immigration is going unchecked

>niggers will ruin japan
The vast majority of immigrants in japan are from asia..

>>104257592
South Korea also has low wealth inequality.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/wealth-share-richest-10-percent?time=latest
If babies are the goal, you want less equality.

>>104257947
Her and the many witnesses who probably saw everything

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>>104254016
>immigration must be limited to 10 percent of the population
That's how you know Sanseito is controlled opposition. Limited? To 10 percent? Immigrants aren't even 3% of the population and Sanseito is already talking about raising (I m-mean limiting) them to 10%. Nice "conservative" party.

>>104258053
> many witnesses
Only her friend. You don’t watch even clips.

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>>104257637
>our sister board /v/
fuck off and never come back

>>104258057
>Sanseito
Don’t laugh at them.
>their national defense plan
>have some small islands become an independent nation, such as sado, Tsushima, or Okinawa.
>have them get armed with nukes
>sign safety treaties with them
>Wow! Now virtually Japan has nuclear weapons!
Some of their members firmly believe the effect of urotherapy as well. We have to keep our eyes on them.

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>>104253621
>how many of those japanese kids are raped by vietnamese and other imported workforce I wonder
The one crime that can be laid primarily at the hands of foreign workers in Japan is the theft of copper wire. The primary perpetrators being Cambodians, followed by native Japanese, followed by other SEA.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15578758

The sex crime stuff, even during this immigration surge, has still been primarily at the hands of Japanese men.

>>104258202
uhh, the ones from foreigners are probably covered up

>>104258202
>primarily at the hands of Japanese men
That's per capita, correct?

>>104253162
>>104253378
>>104257683
Post your UK passports so that I know that you've actually got boots on the ground and know what you're talking about instead concernfag falling for all the fearmongering.

>>104258202
>primarily at the hands of Japanese men.
It seems crimes are mainly committed by Japanese men who are with glasses and scarce amount of hair.

>>104258218
The Japanese media has never been shy about nailing foreigners to the wall when it comes to this kind of shit. In fact, it makes better news coverage when its a gaijin perpetrator. Sounds like you're making excuses to me.

>>104258233
Why does this matter?

>>104255365
Its not being stabilized, its decreasing.

>>104257886
>Those who are profitable will certainly outgrow those who aren't, but it isn't a necessity of capitalism that growth takes place
If your company outgrows mine, you eat into my profits, you steal my customers, and I'm run out of business and therefore forced to sell my private ownership of the means of production (likely to you). If I do not prioritize growth, I cannot compete. Capitalism therefore incentivizes growth.
>it's socialism that created the conditions that require growth we are experiencing.
How are privately owned monopolies with so much capital that they're able to influence legislation to protect the dominance and growth of their private accumulation, in your mind, public ownership of the means of production?
How are tax breaks for billionaires, the private owners, socialism?
You can't seriously believe this shit.
You think Cuba's biggest issue is endless growth? Nah their biggest issue is they're fucking lazy, followed closely by the embargo.

>>104258238
huh? why would I need an UK passport for that?
as you can see from the anons here, despite not knowing any japanese, they seem to know all about japan so what makes the UK different?
I think there's a reason why everyone in the UK hates London, they can't shut up about it so I doubt it's only fearmongering
but if we are talking about fearmongering, all this bullshit about countries having low birthrates is just that, so the average person will tolerate their countries being invaded by 3rd worlders

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>>104254149
>bread is pumped full of chemicals and sugars and preservatives and crap.
American...

>>104258082
They were walking down a public street in Tokyo, I think it's reasonable to assume there's at least somebody else around that she just didn't mention in her brief retelling.

>>104256249
Be glad there aren't more niggers and pakistanis.
SEA and EA are very chill and well behaved in comparison

>>104258452
I forgot to mention indians

>>104258238
So you're telling me it's not happening? It's all made up? Rotheram was just a minor kerfuffle?

>>104258345
>If your company outgrows mine, you eat into my profits, you steal my customers, and I'm run out of business and therefore forced to sell my private ownership of the means of production (likely to you)
But even in this situation, the totality of our two companies could be shrinking. I could out compete you while the entire capitalist system shrinks and this doesn't pose a problem.
>How are privately owned monopolies with so much capital that they're able to influence legislation to protect the dominance and growth of their private accumulation, in your mind, public ownership of the means of production?
>How are tax breaks for billionaires, the private owners, socialism?
Our current system is a mixed market, we have a variety of capitalist and socialist policies. The particular policies that make population decline so dangerous are socialist in nature. Specifically that is social security where the state(the public) spends money it doesn't have with the intention of the next generation of taxpayers covering it.

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>>104258197
flawless plan

>>104258202
JESAS 7 of these appeared in the hentai I fapped to

>>104258470
every country has rape
every country has corruption
strange how you're using the same propaganda point for a decade now

>>104257949
Konbini is part time work for students. The typical salaryman jobs are all in the cities. Outside of that you're pretty much restricted to either farming or fishing as a career.

>>104258473
>But even in this situation, the totality of our two companies could be shrinking
It doesn't matter. The incentive structure still promotes endless growth even at the cost of sustainability.
>The particular policies that make population decline so dangerous are socialist in nature. Specifically that is social security where the state(the public) spends money it doesn't have with the intention of the next generation of taxpayers covering it.
Here's an idea: stop subsidizing billionaires. Make the rich pay their fair share and we won't need to import migrants. Billionaires would rather pass their tax burden onto migrants than give back to the public they profit off of. Not only that, but they can lower wages by increasing the size of the labor force too, further growing their private accumulation, further crushing competition, all in the name of MORE GROWTH.
Capitalism encourages people to privately own as much production as possible and to do that you must minimize costs and maximize profit (lower wages, influence tax policy, sabotage competition), but what is production, anyway? It's labor, land and technology (which really is just an extension of labor and land). If you think capital is against immigration, you're insane. It only benefits those who aren't forced to sell their labor.

>>104258280
>The Japanese media has never been shy about nailing foreigners to the wall when it comes to this kind of shit. In fact, it makes better news coverage when its a gaijin perpetrator.

You either don't know how terrible the situation in Japan really is, you have a hateful bias against Japan, or you know the truth and are lying.
If the facts were as you say, how relieved I would be as a Japanese person.

>>104258846
You're fine, nip. Stop being a pansy and stop listening to NHK paranoia. Your crime rates are stellar.

>>104252773
population decline only ever affects the 1% everyone else will be having a great time, fuck off jew.

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>>104258846
>nailing foreigners to the wall when it comes to this kind of shit. In fact, it makes better news coverage when its a gaijin perpetrator.
Actually, that's what keeps the country in the form. Japanese society has no mercy to perpetrators, even if it's same Japanese.
>Hey, that new employee broke the rule! He doesn't know how to behave!
>Bully him! ostracize him! crucify him!!
That's why average Japanese people seem so "humble" and "calm". They're dead afraid of the punishments given by the society for their misbehaviors.

>>104258846
>You either don't know how terrible the situation in Japan really is.
>>104258918
I think this guy is right, I live in Las Vegas and I have to deal with homeless drug addicted niggers and hear gunshots almost daily. You’ll be fine homie you live in the safest place in the world.

>>104252066
I don't understand, are these subs just shitty? Why would the woman trying to steal her bag say "no steal"?

>>104258839
>It doesn't matter. The incentive structure still promotes endless growth even at the cost of sustainability
If two firms are competing and one decides to spend money it doesn't have in the hopes that future growth will cover it, then that gamble can either pay off or not. It could very well be that the firm that prioritized sustainability wins, it depends on external market conditions. What the profit incentive actually promotes is the efficient allocation of resources.
>If you think capital is against immigration, you're insane.
Capitalism is pro-immigration. Immigration is a good thing.

>>104258973
The average 30 year old in 2065 is not going to have a great time when they're garnishing his wages to support the social security of 2-3 millennials. Rent's going to be skyrocketing of course because the countryside is literally dead and rotting at this point and people are flocking to the cities which are the only places where you can get a job at that point. The fate of the next generation is to act as human slaves to the elderly.

>>104258918
NHK, Asahi, Mainichi, TBS, and many other media outlets will not face the facts head-on when foreigners are at fault. They have continued to overly defend foreigners and distort the facts, which is why the old media has declined.

>>104259127
>people are flocking to the cities which are the only places where you can get a job at that point
This isn't the case. It's much easier to get a job in small towns than it was in the past due to the Internet and remote work. People move to cities because millennials are ADHD spastics who get bored in small towns.

>>104258436
>a girl with vivid pin hair chasing around some foreigner girl, yelling some Kansai dialect.
>She pinned down the girl, had her lay out all her belongings on the ground
Quite obvious which is the bad person. Never trust a pink woman.

>>104259060
gypsies don't steal, they don't believe in ownership. everything is free to take unless it's something they own then they will fight you to death to protect it.

>>104259060
The OP image kinda cuts it up, the man was in front of them, he gave "some kind of a signal" according to Vivi, and then a woman suddenly came up from behind and stuck her hand in her bag and then kept walking in front of them
Then Vivi chased the woman shouting at her, the woman started running, and only when Vivi caught her did the woman then say "no steal" after Vivi accused her. Vivi's stuff was still in her bag and the woman didn't have any of it, so Vivi's thought was that she tried to steal but simply failed to. That's why she's saying "no steal", she didn't actually take anything from Vivi.

>>104259078
>If two firms are competing and one decides to spend money it doesn't have in the hopes that future growth will cover it, then that gamble can either pay off or not. It could very well be that the firm that prioritized sustainability wins
If there is no future growth, they're fucked regardless of what they prioritize. Someone will grow, and if it isn't you, you fucked up. You don't even have to profit anymore, you just need to control the market as much as you can.
Do you not get it? Spending money you don't have is what you're supposed to be doing. If you're not, then you're not growing i.e investors aren't interested. Profit means something is wrong, it means you're not accumulating enough.

>>104259174
>It's much easier to get a job in small towns than it was in the past due to the Internet and remote work.
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>104259215
Yeah, she needs to apologize in public.
>I was wrong.
>I was a racist.
>I have to correct my biased recognition.
>I, along with all Japanese citizen, have to be thankful to people from overseas for supporting our economy.

>Women get many different kinds of rights
>Population drops and have to import immigrants to keep number growing
It's surely a coincidence that poorer women are more prone to having children and women under "oppressive" regimes tend to have a population that is stable and not requiring to import jeets.

Right wing parties are afraid of announcing the actual solution to prevent the white race from getting outbred and outnumbered by immigrants. Seems like an awful coincidence that when women have no right to vote and is just there to make families and serve her husband when the world was still sane and not requiring importing niggers to keep the economy going.

Only when the "progressive" push to give women rights did the population drop and race mixing become commonplace.

>>104259264
>If there is no future growth, they're fucked regardless of what they prioritize
What do you mean fucked?
>Someone will grow and if it isn't you, you fucked up.
So what? Private firms that lose money are supposed to go out of business, that's a feature not a bug.
>Do you not get it? Spending money you don't have is what you're supposed to be doing.
No, spending money you don't have is a speculative gamble. It may or may not pay off.
>If you're not, then you're not growing
You can grow purely by spending profits.

>>104259359
Explain China's population boom under Mao. That's under a Marxist-Leninist regime that prioritized women's liberation.

>>104259127
seeing how we already treat the elderly and retirees today I can guess that the top priority of having AI robots/butlers or whatever is to have them take care of all the old people. they've been wanting to do this in Japan already for a while but it's not really-really there and mainstream yet. but it will be eventually as an extension of just health tech in general. the thing is every developed country will want to have armies of robo-nurses basically to help keep medical insurance costs down and not collapse society overburdening the fewer young to pay for the many old.

>>104259149
TBS is popular with zoomees tho, for some reason, even with the blatant pro-foreigners editorials. And you still have the scandal ridden Fuji Terebi waiting in the bushes for the smallest inconvenience from those filthy gaijin.

>>104258846
>how relieved I would be as a Japanese person
Ken-sama larper. Post your Japanese passport.

>>104258918
>Your crime rates are stellar
To be fair, that's only because nip courts will only convict if they're 100% sure its a slam dunk. The real rate is probably higher since a lot of crimes don't even make it past the police station or are kept quiet to save face.

>>104252773
Fine. I'll go there and do my part

>>104258470
There have been more rapes committed by British whites in the last 10 years than by immigrants in the same time frame.

>>104252257
What is the actual answer? I mean realistically can Japanese fill those jobs? They are just having a lot less people overall and if the economy shrinks probably the qol will too and then the public wont like that either. They should at least bring in people from other asian countries not indians and middle eastern people, also not muslim, do not bring in muslims they are always a problem, regardless of background.

>>104256806
That anon is saying "liberal" is the name of the majority right wing party retard, the LDP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Japan)

>>104258675
Your country went from less than 16k cases per year to more than 70k cases last year.
And these are the reported ones because your government admitted that they hid a lot of the reports.
Ah oh surprise those things escalated when they accepted sandniggers.

>>104256567
Yeah, AI will save us all. Any minute now.

>>104259387
>You can grow purely by spending profits.
Not at a competitive rate, no.
>No, spending money you don't have is a speculative gamble. It may or may not pay off.
No one is investing in people who aren't gambling on growth, and if you don't have investors, you can't compete with those who do. If you aren't betting on future growth, you aren't making enough money to sustain yourself.
>Private firms that lose money are supposed to go out of business, that's a feature not a bug.
So private firms that don't grow go out of business? You agree? You don't grow, you die?
>What do you mean fucked?
You go out of business.
So far you've admitted:
1. Capitalism is pro immigration
2. Capitalism creates pressure for endless growth
Sounds like you agree that population decline is not compatible with the capitalist incentive structure.

>>104259359
If it wasn't for the women's vote, the age of consent would be much lower b-t-w ;)

>>104252257
Out of all the anti immigration movements the weakest one is in the US, which is weird because it started in the US too.

>europe: kicks out immigrants
>yayyyyy
>USA: kicks out immigrants
>yayyy....wait no not that one, he cuts my grass.
>wait, that one no, hes a hard working guy, whats wrong with you.
>No, not her, i been trying to build up the courage to ask her out, you are ruining my plans here man.
>why arent you kicking out criminals, this is not what i voted for
Facebook is literally filled with this stuff.

>>104259821
It's the weirdest fucking shit. They'll tell you slavery was bad because they had poor black people picking cotton and that's double plus ungood, but they'll tell you mass illegal immigration is good because without illegals there would be no poor black people picking cotton.

>>104259734
Interesting how you are the only one that mentioned AI, anon.

>>104259879
Where's the hypocrisy?
If you send them back, their lives will be even worse.

>>104256950
>It was merely attempted murder, no one died!

>>104259821
I mean, 99% of Americans are immigrants if you think about it. Hell, Afro-Americans are as much American as Anglo-Saxon Americans.

>>104259983
-> >>104257398 >>104259473

>>104260146
Why are you linking me comments that I didn't make? Why didn't you just respond to those people with your AI complaint?

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>>104260003
>Attempted murder? Honestly, what's next? Do they give the Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?

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>>104260003
Fuwawa has attempted to rape her own sister thousands of times and literally nobody sees problem in it. Case closed.

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>>104260176
>linking me

>>104260176
Retard

>>104261083
Fucking answer, you coward.

>>104261083
We don't sign our posts here.

>>104261208
We don't?

>>104259745
>and if you don't have investors, you can't compete with those who do
This is not true.
>So private firms that don't grow go out of business? You agree? You don't grow, you die?
Firms that don't make a profit go out of business. That profit can either be spent on growth or dividends.
>You go out of business.
If that's all it is then that's not a bad thing. Inefficient(unprofitable) businesses should go out of business.
>So far you've admitted:
>1. Capitalism is pro immigration
I've never denied that, I love immigration.
>2. Capitalism creates pressure for endless growth
No. Capitalism creates pressure to efficiently allocate resources. This is true under times of economic growth or decline.

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>>104257637
One takodachi avatarfagging everyday to the extreme annoyment of /v/ermine does not make them a sister board. Vast majority of them would vote to ban /vt/ in a heartbeat.

>>104252066
Based Vivi will disband EN and ID.

>>104252066
Holy shit they have gypsies in Japan now?

>>104252773
Population decline is great unless you’re a jew.

>>104253131
It's almost like basing our existence on an economic system that requires constant growth is a bad idea

>>104259726
The current Liberal Democratic Party (Jimintō) is left-wing in both name and reality, a China-controlled lapdog that exploits the advantages of globalists.
And to those who think, "Japan is safe because the police and judiciary are cracking down on and prosecuting criminals, regardless of whether they're Japanese or foreign," I want to say that's a misunderstanding.
You've probably seen a few videos or something and thought that these systems work properly.
Many foreigners are not charged despite committing serious crimes (such as rape or taking someone's life).
Their defenders often say, "That's because they'll be deported," but that's extremely rare. Most are released, and some have been arrested four times in the past few years.
It's become so commonplace that when a crime is committed, people say, "They won't be charged again, right?"
Unlike South Korea, which is dealing with the issue properly, Japan has people with ties to enemy countries infiltrating every aspect of its system, from the judiciary (Japan Federation of Bar Associations), media, and politicians.
Japan is seriously finished. I feel sorry for those who overestimate and romanticize Japan, as it is actually a shitty country.

>>104261483
>Firms that don't make a profit go out of business.
I'm sorry did you just wake up from a coma? Did 2008 and years of ZIRP just not happen in your mind? Fucking retard. Go give Uber the news then.
>unprofitable) businesses should go out of business.
Agreed, but they don't. Do you know why? Because they can be too big to fail. You really believe efficient, sustainable allocation of resources can compete with aggressive growth and positive feedback loops? Actually it doesn't matter what you believe, it simply can't, therefore the free market kills it.
>I've never denied that, I love immigration.
Even though it destroys communities and cultures, got it.
>Capitalism creates pressure to efficiently allocate resources. This is true under times of economic growth or decline.
Yeah ecological collapse, ruined top soil, cronyism, fake email jobs, degree mills, the metaverse, NYC scaffold industry, airplane graveyards, short form video content destroying productivity, the fucking island of trash in the pacific - that's real efficient.
Your blood is full of microplastics and you want to tell me this system is allocating resources efficiently and not just wastefully accelerating?

>>104261764
>takodachi avatarfagging everyday to the extreme annoyment of /v/ermine
he's doing god's work

>>104262191
>You really believe efficient, sustainable allocation of resources can compete with aggressive growth and positive feedback loops? Actually it doesn't matter what you believe, it simply can't, therefore the free market kills it.
It absolutely can. The policies you mentioned like ZIRP and too big to fail are examples of government intervention in the free market.
>Yeah ecological collapse, ruined top soil, cronyism, fake email jobs, degree mills, the metaverse, NYC scaffold industry, airplane graveyards, short form video content destroying productivity, the fucking island of trash in the pacific - that's real efficient.
As opposed to what? Would it be more efficient to not have a garbage island if the result was more expensive waste disposal? How would you determine that without the free market?

>>104261983
>The current Liberal Democratic Party (Jimintō) is left-wing in both name and reality,
Left-wingers don't hold any significant amount of power in a bourgeois state. If they did, there would BE NO BOURGEOIS STATE.

>>104259691
They don't need to fill them.

>>104262877
Do they still have companies that rely heavily on old tech like fax machines? It'd be fucking cool if they started bringing some of it back. I'd love to be able to buy a quality Nakamichi tape deck again.

>>104252066
MOTHER OF BASED

>bourgeois
Lamy
>petti bourgeois
Haato
Pekora
>proletariat
Matsuri
Marine
Luna
>lumpenproletariat
Noel
Watame

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>>104263071
you fool

>>104263071
you are a faggot

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>>104262600
>government intervention in the free market
on behalf of monopolies with so much capital they are able to change legislation to prop themselves up. If you're really arguing that bailing out the banks was somehow fucking socialism then I'm afraid the language here has completely broken down and this entire conversation has been a waste of time.
>As opposed to what?
Sustainability. Regulating production so that labor and land isn't burnt away in pursuit of aggressive short term growth.
>Would it be more efficient to not have a garbage island if the result was more expensive waste disposal?
It would be more efficient to ensure we don't produce more waste than we can realistically manage in the first place. Maybe start by having a smaller population. Maybe don't produce so much plastic. Opt for less profitable, less scalable but more sustainable alternatives to plastics to ensure the ocean, which is essential to life on earth, can survive. A company that abides by such principles loses to a company that prioritizes immediate short term growth and ignores long term environmental destruction.
What's more profitable? Permaculture or industrial farming? Now what's more efficient long term?

>>104263176
>>104263211
>watame
>Noel
Both of them had lived in extreme poverty, and were raised by single mothers who were blindly bound to traditional male biased values.
No matter how much you love your Oshi, those ignorant girls make zero contribution to the revolution. Poor things.

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>>104263363
>on behalf of monopolies with so much capital they are able to change legislation to prop themselves up
What's the argument? That democracy is a failed system or that we have to limit the governments ability to interfere in the market?
>If you're really arguing that bailing out the banks was somehow fucking socialism then I'm afraid the language here has completely broken down and this entire conversation has been a waste of time.
I would not call it socialism, but it certainly isn't capitalism. I'm not sure how to classify state control of the money supply, other than that it's really bad.
>It would be more efficient to ensure we don't produce more waste than we can realistically manage in the first place
Why? If the people's demand for cheap waste disposal outweighs their demand for clean oceans, why shouldn't they get what they want? Let's say hypothetically that producing electronics incurred unavoidable waste that could never be disposed of. Should society revert to a pre-electric state for the sake of sustainability?

>>104252257
Being pro-immigration in modern society is being pro-enshittification of your own country. Third world brown uncivilized criminals don't belong in civilized society. People who come and still follow religion that believes women are subhuman and deserve no rights don't belong in societies where women are allowed to thrive. There will be no common ground here. Either the natives kick them out or they kick the natives out.

>>104259821
Nah I'd definitely say its the UK where you will currently be thrown in jail for any kind of wrongthink

>>104263826
>where women are allowed to thrive
Your society hates women though lmao
Don't you feel shame for typing that

>>104263761
>What's the argument? That democracy is a failed system or that we have to limit the governments ability to interfere in the market?
The argument is that unfettered capitalism undermines democracy and even itself. Proof:
>I would not call it socialism, but it certainly isn't capitalism. I'm not sure how to classify state control of the money supply, other than that it's really bad.
It's called neofeudalism. And it doesn't end there:
>If the people's demand for cheap waste disposal outweighs their demand for clean oceans, why shouldn't they get what they want?
Because we, and by extension those demands, will die. You destroy the system itself by adhering to it and the possibility of any alternative systems arising. If you want to kill yourself, do it alone. Don't drag me into it.

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Apparently some of Holos (Raden, typically) are liberals who blindly takes sides with immigrants and minorities while there are massive amount of anti immigrant Japanese in Holo viewers.
I wanna see them turning into /pol/ in 2025.

>>104263826
Religions usually get shitty and draconian when the country is under attack from countries that are bigger than it (like the one that you're probably posting from). The only counterexamples to that tend to be Marxist (like Vietnam was in the 20th century).

>>104263994
>The argument is that unfettered capitalism undermines democracy and even itself. Proof:
But the argument was that ZIRP and too big to fail were bad policies, the counter policy would be to not interfere with the free market.
>It's called neofeudalism.
Ok, neofeudalism is bad then and we need to decouple the money supply from the state.
>Because we, and by extension those demands, will die. You destroy the system itself by adhering to it and the possibility of any alternative systems arising. If you want to kill yourself, do it alone. Don't drag me into it.
I'll engage with this as soon as you answer my hypothetical.

>>104264156
We need to smash the state and replace it with a proletarian one.

>>104263826
Your superior society's thriving women are the ones voting pro-immigration, though?

>>104264251
Proletarian would include non-democratic, correct?

>>104264401
No, dipshit.

>>104264156
>But the argument was that ZIRP and too big to fail were bad policies, the counter policy would be to not interfere with the free market.
False dichotomy.
>we need to decouple the money supply from the state
>>104264251
>I'll engage with this as soon as you answer my hypothetical.
Ogey
>Let's say hypothetically that producing electronics incurred unavoidable waste that could never be disposed of. Should society revert to a pre-electric state for the sake of sustainability?
If that waste constituted an existential threat to the planet, humanity and our freedom, then absolutely.

>>104252066
Japan's economy has been on the decline for the past 30 years. The best the remaining children in Japan can do is to learn English or Chinese and get the fuck out of that sinking ship for greener grass.

>>104264089
and you based this on 1 clip

>>104264548
>If that waste constituted an existential threat to the planet, humanity and our freedom, then absolutely
Alright then.
>Because we, and by extension those demands, will die. You destroy the system itself by adhering to it and the possibility of any alternative systems arising. If you want to kill yourself, do it alone. Don't drag me into it.
Then I think we're simply enemies and there is no resolving this. I figure since the Earth is doomed to be engulfed by the sun anyway, that the purpose of society should be to meet the demands of the people who actually exist rather than to persist for as long as possible for the sake of hypothetical people in the future.

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>>104252066
Based Vivi

>>104263987
shut the fuck up schizo retard

>>104257727
For every one that appreciates holo fangames there's several more who think all vtubers are men with voice changers in 2025.

>>104264628
>You saw someone emphatically saying 'trans rights' once and you believe they support trans right?
What the fuck were you even thinking when you posted that, anon? Of course a single deliberate utterance can be indicative of someone's beliefs.

>>104264816
>Nihilistic hedonism because the sun will explode in gorillian years
vs
>Rage against the dying of the light
Also capitalism isn't even good at meeting the demands of people who currently exist. Most of us are slaves robbed of our time and energy. If we were really just going into that good night, then why do I have to fucking work so much?
If you're really here for a good time and not a long time, then let's enjoy the fruits of our labor today instead of chasing "line go up"

>>104265200
>Also capitalism isn't even good at meeting the demands of people who currently exist. Most of us are slaves robbed of our time and energy. If we were really just going into that good night, then why do I have to fucking work so much?
Because most people (particularly those in the imperial core) have no desire to attain class consciousness. They have a litany of excuses for this that you'll see repeated /here/ and everywhere else: "you can't fix human nature", "the Soviet Union failed and did some bad shit along the way", etc. They aren't going to be willing to seriously investigate alternatives until the treats run out, and a lot of them have already openly declared that they'll be in one fascist camp or another.

>>104265180
>You saw someone emphatically saying 'trans rights' once and you believe they support trans right?
Yes? Are you outing yourself as an inauthentic, perfomative person?

>>104265180
>What the fuck were you even thinking when you posted that, anon?
"damn, this anon is a dumb fucking nigger"
I don't think standing up for your co-worker, even if they are foreigner, means she'll blindly side with immigrants and minorities as you describe

>>104265312
Anon, your reading comprehension reps... You're literally repeating the exact point of that post.

>>104265430
I thought he was being sarcastic...

>>104265364
Don't do this motte and bailey cuckery
>>and you based this on 1 clip
There is nothing wrong with inferring someone's beliefs from only 1 clip, even 1 sentence can be enough. If you don't think the clip proves it, just say that, instead of first pretending your issue is that the interpretation was based on 1 clip and only giving your true reason when prodded.

>>104264816
also
>we're simply enemies
We're simply retards fighting on a virtual youtubers forum. I'm sure you're actually chill and just bored. Nothing personnel

>>104265200
>Also capitalism isn't even good at meeting the demands of people who currently exist.
Capitalism is the best at this.
>Most of us are slaves robbed of our time and energy. If we were really just going into that good night, then why do I have to fucking work so much?
Because people have a demand for things like video games, hamburgers, skateboards, cars, etc, and the demand for those things outweighs people's demand not to work.
>If you're really here for a good time and not a long time, then let's enjoy the fruits of our labor today instead of chasing "line go up"
That's exactly what I'm doing. I don't care about the line which is why I'm not concerned about population decline.

>>104264628
One clip is sometimes enough. If ever a clip surfaced about Ayame calling koreans "dogs" I would immediately assume she was a racist. Why else would she say that otherwise?

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>>104264089
That's my based goth art hoe princess

>>104263743
KEK

>>104265639
>Capitalism is the best at this.
No it isn't.

>>104265492
yeah, I think basing all that stuff you said on a single clip is dumb, it wasn't some random nigger on the street she defended, you'd have a point if it was
I also think that no 3rd world shithole mass of subhumans should go to Japan, or any developed nation for that matter, but we know it's too late for that

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>>104265639
>Because people have a demand for things like video games, hamburgers, skateboards, cars, etc, and the demand for those things outweighs people's demand not to work.
This has all been bait, hasn't it

>>104265828
What? Do you think those things can be provided without people having to work?

>>104265806
You're failing your reading comprehension and abstract reasoning reps if you think I objected to your specific judgment about whether Raden blindly loves immigrants in the post you replied to.

>>104265180
>>104265649
死ね

>>104265806
Careful, anon. Japanese Anti-immigration groups like sanseito are pushing for ALL immigration to stop, not just from 3rd world nations.

>>104265915
Nope, they already backtracked on that, and now the leader is giving speeches about how Japan is actually a nation of immigrants.

>>104265892
>>104259594

>>104265937
>sanseito is pro-immigrant now
Source? That's actually hilarious if true. It's a complete 180 reversal of their political stances

>>104265847
It's just such a childish view of how our economic system works. People aren't working for hamburgers, they're working for rent, healthcare, basic necessities. They're working because they don't have capital.
People who do have capital receive passive income from their assets and investments, i.e they aren't forced to sell their labor to survive.

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>> bbbased on only 1 clip!!
If you watch her stream more than 60 minutes, you can clearly see she's actually a "woke" type (mild one, though. She's Japanese after all).
And that's why she doesn't deserve the position of my Oshi in spite of the nice character design.

>>104265915
if that's what it takes
>>104266067
I'm sure you can point out all multiple instances of this wokeness then

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>>104266067
>holds moderate, humanist ideals
>too woke for me
You're half right. You don't deserve her as your oshi

>>104266003
Probably that guy is trying to be sensitive to the feelings of IDs.
>参政党の神谷宗幣代表は、8月28日に配信されたメディアアーティスト、落合陽一氏のユーチューブ番組で、日本の成り立ちについて「移民国家」との認識を示し、将来的な外国人の受け入れ比率について「上限は10%以下ではないか」と指摘した。出入国在留管理庁によると、現在総人口に占める外国人比率は約2・8%で、2070年に10%を超える試算がある。
>Sohei Kamiya, leader of the Sanseitō party, stated in a YouTube program hosted by media artist Yoichi Ochiai on August 28 that he views Japan’s origins as those of an “immigrant nation.” He also suggested that the future proportion of foreign residents accepted in Japan should have an upper limit of “around 10% or less.” According to the Immigration Services Agency of Japan, foreign residents currently make up about 2.8% of the total population, and projections estimate that the figure could exceed 10% by 2070.
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/64a61a7566fd275cbc9197d7f07dcdcf83eb934e

>>104266161
>instances of this wokeness
to be absolutely honest, it's the tone of her voice.

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>>104266180
When you hate dirty foreigners but also don't want to rock the boat with impoliteness

>>104266067
still waiting, nigger

>>104266052
>People aren't working for hamburgers, they're working for rent, healthcare, basic necessities.
Depends on the people. In either case, my answer accommodates. The reason people work so much is because their demand for healthcare outweighs their demand not to work, etc.
>They're working because they don't have capital.
No. Even if all capital were publicly(state) owned, people would still have to work.
>People who do have capital receive passive income from their assets and investments, i.e they aren't forced to sell their labor to survive.
But they have to pay the opportunity cost and risk of investing.