link

she really is a corpo loyalist isnt she?

>>104317958
what happen with Haachama this time?

>>104318100
they took her peppeloni...

>>104318113
Oh GOD NO

>>104318100
They told her she isnt popular enough for them to do much for her
this is a lie btw, the real reason is they're cozying up to china again and are worried she might be a problem

>>104318100
>To kaigai-niki/neki worrying about what happened during the stream, she feels very frustrated that she's not able to do a lot of things, including being part of the main World Tour cast because "she isn't popular enough" even though she was THE FIRST HOLOLIVE MEMBER TO EVER STREAM IN ENGLISH. She doesn't blame management for their decisions, and they've been very supportive in a lot of ways, but there's still the fact all the effort she puts forth doesn't seem to be paying off. However, she reassures us that she uses this frustration as motivation and has absolutely no intention of giving up with things as they are now.
She was crying pretty hard in the stream

>>104318100
She wanted to do a photo exhibition at a big venue (she didn't specify, but she used "Tokyo Dome" as an example). The management told her that it's out of her reach with her current level of popularity and she should look at more realistic smaller venues. That depressed her, even more so when she said she hated how she is type casted by fans into the "crazy" role now that she no longer want to do crazy things (well, growing up has that effect on people).
She was crying. FBK likely saw that and posted this as a "keep going, keep trying, your efforts will bear fruit one day" kind of motivational post

>>104318100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dpdepyMm-I

>>104317982
>Trying to cheer your friend / genmate up when she is down
How did you get the "really s a corpo loyalist" part from this?

>>104318113
The no one…

>>104318221
let it be a lesson that trying to appeal to foreigner with shock content. She needs to do a hard restart of her entire content choices, reinsert herself into the box, more consistent stream schedule, and stop being La creatividad.

>>104318278
she isnt talking to her friend, she's doing PR damage control

can someone post the link to chama clip?

>>104318221
Jeez man…
Listen I’ve given Cover a lot of leeway for a lot of shit. But if they’re purposefully fucking over Chammers and making her cry then Yagoo can personally suck my nutsack.

>>104318278
>you just didn't try hard enough, that's why you get nothing
damn that is motivational

>>104318174
The Chama general says that she's always been more of a lone wolf and doesn't do much collabs as she did during her prime. Meanwhile I think Cover treated her like a radioactive hazard after her hijinks and the other talents followed through and didn't associate with her out of fear of repurcussions.

>>104318340
The reality here is they're right. She can't do a photo exhibition at the Tokyo Dome. It is out of reach. This is likely the case for most if not all of Hololive.

>>104317958
>yapping stream
>minecraft but still a yapping stream
>karaoke but she can't even sing that well
that’s her fucking content and the reality. just play games like your coworkers are doing! maybe then something will change

>>104318278
this is like kiara's MEMEME where she makes it all about herself.

>>104318340
Anon, what can they do? Projects cost money and certain projects / venues require more than just money. When a girl isn't as popular, it's normal that some venues and projects will be out of her reach. They didn't even tell her that things won't be possible, just that she should downgrade her choice

>>104317958
>The path is pitch black
Hololive black company confirmed??

>>104318343
If that's what you got from that post, there is something wrong with you or your comprehension skill

>>104318256
Chammers... she is so cute. I didnt watch her in a hot minute because I'm in a fucked up time zone. But I always had a lot of love for this dummy.

>>104318340
>But if they’re purposefully fucking over Chammers
but they aren't you retard

>>104318409
So being in hololive is useless if at the end of the day only your individual stats matter

>>104318437
What do you expect from someone who relies on Grok AI translation instead of trying to convey the actual post

Chamama really cute.
The only reason she should ever cry is when I fuck her too hard

>>104318409
They can afford to perpetually float the faggots and their concerts and projects and everything else they whine about.
>“The girls get to have it!!! What about us faggots?!”

If they’re can afford THAT then they can afford to give Haacha fucking chama whatever she wants.

>>104318343
It's a japanese thing even Sora has done it once in her life, there's nothing wrong with telling people that, in Japan they don't every little thing as some kind of insult unlike your bitchmade ass
https://youtu.be/KKZ124Y3Ixg?t=397

>>104318221
>She doesn't blame management for their decisions
X

>>104318361
we know for a fact EN management banned her from interacting, even down to shit as simple as playing on the same minecraft server

>>104317958
The fox is propped up by chink bucks, isn't she?

Sweet corpo pill

>>104318409
$100m on holoearth btw but faggot retards will dfend the company's honor

Drop the duality between Haato and Haachama, develop Haato. Because people expect CRAZY when they see Haachama.

That's all that it is.

>>104318113
WHAT THE FUCK
DO THEY NOT KNOW

Anyone remember Fubuki tweeting that she was sad that someone was graduating, then 1 minute later she tweeted how excited she was for her next stream or advertised something?

>>104318651
Her SocMed has long been handled by her chink managers

>>104318543
>their concerts and projects
When was the last time the homos got any big projects?

>>104318627
And all we get out of it is a 2004 level metaverse sloppa chat room piece of shit.
Tell me again how Cover can’t afford this Gen 1 legend a sololive.

>>104318627
hey fuck you don't bring my oshi holoearth on this!

>>104318582
that was omega's faggotry where they had to use their personal accounts to even interact with each other

>>104318409
I'm sure Holoearth is going to generate an insane amount of money, and when that happens, they'll support other talents more, not just their money-making machines, right? Trust the process kek

>>104318679
The fact that they exist at all while being a net negative on profits is already intolerable.

>>104318627
Events at Tokyo Dome are costly but more than that, simply giving Tokyo Dome $100M won't make them accept Hachama's photo exhibition. Her name doesn't have anywhere near that level of prestige yet (for that matter, so does majority of Hololive)

>>104318711
>>104318627
>>104318711
>Retards trying to bring HoloEarth into the discussion
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you guys know that Holo members and sponsors fund their personal projects, not Cover, right?

Ranting about le Black company won't cancel Nimi's wedding, Indiebeggar.

>>104318627
This is why you idiots are stuck on 4chan and not in forbes 30 under 30 or something, they can't just drop Holoearth because a few dumbasses think it's bad, they already spent money on it at this point they're better off releasing it even as it in hope to recoup some money than scrapping it.

equally they can't risk an exhibit at the fucking Tokyo Dome for just Haato, it'd be nice if they could get her that venue but it's ridiculous.

>>104318745
it's always a good idea to bring up holoearth because only the most corpo slorping dicksucker jeets would ever try to defend it

>>104318627
>>104318682
>nijinegros really are on a rotation on who to bait thread next

>>104318748
>Nijinigger
>Phasecuck
>Indiebeggar
I'm starting to think Holodrones are schizophrenic

>>104318797
Never-employed idiots don't know how big companies do things, so they simplify everything to appease their peabrains.

>>104317958
I hope Chammers is ok, I want them all to succeed

>>104318748
I'M THINKING NIMI NIMI UUU EEE UUU

>>104318835
>>104318769
go play Concord, Rajesh

>>104318769
I would be surprised if Holoearth can generate even 0.01% of that capital back. It’s by far the worst financial decision Cover has ever made. Makes the homos’ price tag look negligible.

>>104318808
And yet you only get (You)'s on holo ragebait, tourist.

If you really want to "save the industry", stop talking about Hololive and watch random indies, retard.

I've seen thousands of Tech channels complain about NVIDIA but no one absolutely uses the alternatives so their words are empty threats.

You're like them. Always complaining about Hololive, but don't even take part in watching the indie alternatives lol.

>>104318748
what are you doing here insted of your safe place, holokek

>>104318221
In the next months you will see Haachama more active in events, just you wait.
This happens all the time, it happened to Risu when people were complaining that Cover doesn't promote her much despite having such a good voice talent.
After that she got the center stage at fes, she got invited to the AFO concert where she sang her original song.
Cover seems to overcompensate when shit like this happens, I just wished they would be more proactive.

>>104317958
I don't know nor really care if Hololive rejecting Haachama's project was the right call or not, but Fubuki tweeting out that instead of talking to or DMing Haachama one on one is a massive cunt move.

>>104318884
I already thought she was going to announce a graduation after spamming collabs with EN. If Cover fucked up something she really wanted then I think that becomes an even more real possibility.

>>104318881
This. All those "I'm Switching to Linux because LE EVIL MICROSOFT" and barely a dent to desktop OS percentage.

>>104318872
it's still losing money, the money it took in didnt even move the needle on the money being spent on it

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There is no favoritism in hololive.

>>104318897
>Announces Haato sololive

Maybe things would be different if Gura had played Smashkart 51 with her.

>>104318300
Shock content would 100% work but it's tough to keep up long term.

>>104319067
which is why it's her fault that Haachama has been typecast as the CURAHZY vtuber. She should have used her recent outfit reveals to rebrand back to Haato and give herself a new character.

>Hololive member breaks down in tears on stream
>Holocucks blame her

>>104319203
>have a hiatus for almost a year
>wonder why you can't get momentum
Well....yes?

If your favorite band known for their unique style took a break for a year, and reappeared no longer doing what made them popular in the first place , you yourself will be questioning them asking management for a show at MSG

>>104318221
So that's why it seemed like Haachama stopped doing EN streams suddenly. It wasn't that she didn't want to, it's that management forced her not to.

Any amount of money to keep Haachama from crying has to be worth more than the entire fanbase seeing Cover make her cry.

They really should have just given her at least something she wanted.

>>104317958
You dramaniggers are the reason why talents can't vent to their fans. Whenever they did that you farmed dramas and will only make things worse so they usually resort to venting through PLs or not venting at all

I bet half of you fuckers don't even watch Haachama and pretend to care for your cringe "indie avengers" clout

>>104318278
**trying to groom her into not graduating, squandering her life in hololive for six more years

>>104319406
This. OP doesn't even care about the Talent it's outraged about.

>>104319203
>A woman cried about something, so she's in the right.
>A man told a woman no, so he's in the wrong
What a spineless, pathetic take.

>>104318557
Japan has perfected the art of the insult

If they do it right you'll wake up two weeks later and realize they not only mocked you to your face but you were too dumb to get it

fubuki is just trying to protect chammers for the management sex parties

>>104318557
>Has an absolute full blown breakdown on stream in front of the entire fan base because your company keeps fucking you over year after year
>Somebody tosses their 2 cents of why you’re wrong actually on Twitter for everyone to see

I love foobs. But it looks bad and saying something in private or not at all would have been better.

>>104319433
>>104319406
people are mostly complaining about Fubuki bringing it to twitter instead of talking to her privately, retardchama

>>104319624
but then we would have fifty threads about why none of the cool holos like fubuki said anything

>>104318300
This is bait surely
Haachama needs to escalate her weirdness, not reduce it. Remove her limiters entirely

>>104319407
>six more years with average income of $400K+ a year before taxes instead of boring office jobs for around $60K-70K+ a year
That is beneficial for Haachama

>>104318557
>in Japan they don't every little thing as some kind of insult
LMFAO

>>104319793
>haachama level making 400k
lold

>>104318340
Cool, but will you actually watch her?

>>104319809
NO!

>>104319809
AWAY!

>>104319793
The point is, Fubuki should let Haachama decide for herself.

>Every anti-corpo post ever : /g/, /v/ and /vt/ all apply.
>Black corpo bad/ Corpo bad!
>posted from product made by same Corpo he's shitting on
>has alternatives, don't watch or use them lol.

2025 YEAR OF LE LINUX DESKTOP AMIRIGHT


LMAO.

>>104319555
They perfected the art of womanly passive aggressiveness, you mean. None of it works if you don't respect them.

>>104319875
>I'm vaguely pro-corporate
They're not going to hire you anon, especially when you already do their job for free

>they didn't allow her to book a tokyo dome show because she's unpopular
Really does make you think how Matsuri (someone with low views) suddenly got sick and stopped her exercise streams and suddenly PekoMari (both with high views) started their own exercise streams.

>>104318384
You really insert Kiara into everything. Your brain is fucking fried kiaraschizo.

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>>104318881
>>104318930
>>104319875
buy an ad Bill

>>104319930
LMAO, you really don't get it. Keep posting in this thread, it'll prove that /vt/ can't function without Hololive. You want change, but you cannot act towards it.

You hate NVIDIA, but don't want to support AMD because muh DLSS
You hate iPhones, but can't fathom getting seen with random "chinkfone"
You hate Windows but can't jump to Linux because of your beloved Photoshop.

>>104318718
I was thinking about this and thought of Marine.
>insanely popular
>excellent artistic skill in drawing
And I still don't think she can sell out the Tokyo Dome with an art show/photo exhibition. Maybe a 10k venue.

>>104318221
She is at the same place as Sora, Matsuri and some others. She is more successful than 99% of vtubers, but all she can see are the behemoths ahead of her.

She really just has to find something AND make good connections.
Vivi inclined once she started collabing with Pekora
I know this board doesn't watch her but Chihaya has been inclining ever since the 7DTD streams and made good connections with Okayu, Subaru and Watame.
Heck, part of Miko's rise includes her clicking with Gamers + Subaru (and Pekora).

>>104320137
She's actually trying though but in a wrong way. In the past 3 months, most of her game collabs were with EN holos. She must think that kaigai niki will save her because that's how she exploded before. But the reality is that most kaigai niki watch EN holos now and people only have so much time in their day and have to pick who to watch. And 9/10 times, EOP kaigai nikis will watch EN holos.

She's making the wrong connections. She should go to PekoMari's clique. Micomet clique is overcrowded.

I just hope Pioneers keep supporting AZKi after she inevitably stops her sadistic/sexy baiting streak.

>She talked about her English efforts were not producing people watching weeks ago as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1nb4gpz/akai_haato_haachama_vents_her_frustrations/nd0vv2t/
It was your fault, EOPs

I have to imagine JP runts make good money, atleast the tenured ones (Matsuri has a $100K Pokemon collection.) I don't want to see any of the girls leave but there's way too much competion in JP where the runts have 0 chance of growing.

>>104320471
EN Vtubing is dying.

>>104320383
Azki was a 17k/20k streamer well before that. Most EOPs discovered her recently, but she has been pretty popular for around a year before that. Chaama's problem is that she doesn't want to be the "crazy" Holo anymore and is trying to pivot to a different role in the company, also she has the illusion that the EN scene is the same one it was in 2020, but that's not true, we have 15 streamers on the EN side now and many viewers watch small indies in the free time, the japanese girl speaking eigo niche is kinda dead. But her last concert did pretty well, so she just really needs to continue and find a niche, a la Raden to bag a lot of opportunities with art stuff. I don't think graduating will do anything to her, considering her current problem (not having many opportunities) and the situation of ex-holo talents, especially on the JP side.

>>104320492
Nah, it depends on what you do. La+ is having a second wind right now thanks to the battou arc.

>>104320471
She's not kidding. Her streams with anyone from anywhere in the popularity spectrum from Biboo to Shiori didn't do much for her channel's growth.

Same thing with Ririka and Kanade. They had to do something else to incline. Funnily enough, I think Kanade has a big Korean fanbase according to what I see in her chat.

>>104318384
that chicken is still not paying rent. maybe try new meds to get her evicted?

>>104320283
It's a miscalculation because the current EOP fanbase is not the same as the one who watched her, they dont even remember Gura

>>104320492
Haachama never made a ton of money relative to most holos because her fanbase post-schizo arc was always really young/EOPs

Haachama squandered her fans and popularity with her schizo arc and hiatuses. I don't really know what she expected

Reminder that when Cover went public they also went black. Investors are a cancer, and it's unfortunate that their money is usually needed to grow.

Man, I think Chama would have easily sold out a 10k venue if she had a solo live in 2020.

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>>104321155
No, it's not. I trust Fubuki.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFsWKftpcy0

>>104321179
I'd take Sora leaving as a bigger red flag than Fubuki leaving.

>>104317958
Fubuki may be a bit stern but she's absolutely correct, she is a good friend.

>>104317958
Didn't Haachama literally just came back from traveling??

TBF, FBK is right. There really is no choice but to grind it out. She probably won't be given primetime JP time slots any time soon. Even girls like Vivi and Chihaya had to earn that by streaming long hours way past 12 midnight. Not saying that Chama hasn't done that though but she needs some sort of reboot.

>>104318468
Hololive isn't running the world, anon, no yet...

>>104321248
Live TL in the chat says that someone (management probably) told her that her traveling is getting in the way of her activities (streaming)

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>>104318174
>Block your path
>hmm, seem like your not popular not doing anything since we block you
>so we block you from all the other big project
what did they fucking mean by that ?

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>>104319203

I love Fubukis optimism.

Another big issue is that Haachama wants the benefits of big numbers but doesn't want to do the things needed to get those big numbers, like playing games that she may not like or be good at.

>>104321338
She graduated from american school so this check out hard

>>104321329
>since we block you
Anon, how do you think this works? Do you think talents just get whatever they ask for no matter how small their viewership is and only Haachama is being "blocked"?

>>104321400
Not him but I think it's just for Haachama in particular since she was directly involved in the entire Taiwan fiasco and had her schizo arc. I think she's being blacklisted.
Maybe that's why she's asking for help from EN.

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>>104318409
just like in my anime frfr

>>104320046
To be fair, those behemoths have nice asses.

>>104321221
Sora, Fubuki, Korone are the big three red flags.

>>104321440
After she came back from her hiatus, both Miko and Pekora tried to collaborate with her, but she proved to be unreliable, so they eventually stopped reaching out.
If the only thing management blocked was her involvement with the EN girls, then it turns out they made the right decision. Haachama would have been in a much better position if only she had listened.

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>>104321338
>Socrates totally said this Bro, I'm not putting words in his mouth
t. Plato. That guy should have stuck to metaphysics, he sucks at politics and sociology.

>>104321730
Is it wrong though?

>>104319805
Not sure how much holo is scamming her for but she would make that much as an indie with the same noombers

>>104319676
It's funny because if no one responded to her publicly, they would pivot to saying Haachama is being ignored.

>>104317958
It's not just Fubuki though, Watame and Miko also commented on it

>>104321608
>Noooooommmmbbbeeeerrrsss!!!
I fucking hate you stupid niggers. Can someone not do something because they think it's fun or maybe want to try to make different friends/work buddies? Let me guess, we'll ignore all of the stuff about JP corpo retards getting mad about the EN0 stuff, the block from hanging out on the EN MC server for fun with Myth/Council, and a whole slew of other things
I like a good chunk of talents from Holo, but some of you fags are so deep in the company itself it's disgusting.

>>104318100
Haato wants to do massive projects like Pekora, Suisei and Miko and management told her the harsh truth that with her being a borderline 3 view now nobody will show up.
Liggers who don't watch Hololive are using this to attack hololive. In the end none of these people will start watching Haato and she'll remain one of the least popular JPs.

Haato just needs to accept her gimick lasted too long and became cringe and stop being a lone wolf although I'm guessing her quasi isolation in the JP branch is caused by her having legit mental problems. There's only a few JPs that still regularly interqct with her. She mostly only collabs with robocco, watame, EN/ID and devis.

>>104318221
Jesús fucking Christ. Why the fuck is yagoo giving a spot in the Hololive meet panel to two worthless homos and not chamers. It is time to expel those parasites from the company.

>>104317958
holy shit, just talk privately!

>>104322250
You hate numbers when the whole thread is about how she got backfired and became irrelevant because of that.
Your EOPs will never admit it. You destroyed Akia Haato. You never showed up when she needed you. You made her fall into a false sense of security, making her believe you cared. You're a fucking cancer. Go neck yourself and never come back.

>>104318174
Haachama is uniquely creative, she feels 'indie' not in the sense of how vtubers are seen but in how you usually see artists with vision pursue their visions in something like music. Being a corporate product exposes you to executive influence. It's unavoidable

>>104319289
>a show at MSG
...at Mobile Suit Gundam?

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Haa cha mama cha maa chamaaaa

>>104322303
> a lone wolf
This is the most problematic thing. She had her chance during later season of rust. She almost had her frequent collab group with Kanata and Hime.

>>104319937
Now explain how AZKi fits into the picture

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>>104318174
>They told her she isnt popular enough for them to do much for her
>this is a lie btw
It isn't a lie. She's objectively the least popular JP. The most popular HoloIDs have overlapped her and mogged her. If management threw al caution to the wind and went through with that photo exhibit nobody would show up.
That's the truth.

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>>104322303
good to know at least someone in the company has balls to tell them they aren't superstars...

Being blue dorito doesn't protect you from the universal fact that streamer that skips their daily grind will lose viewers, doesn't matter if it's for self-finding journey or computer hort reasons.

Looking at you, Justice

>>104318769
>Sunk cost good
Lmao never go into business

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>>104318221
>she isn't popular enough
I had a feeling there was favoritism in Hololive for a while with the amount of times the same people are given a ton of opportunities whether the Holo girl pushes for those or not. Holo girls generally are popular even if it's not to the absurd degree some people expect. A lot of vtuber fans will ignore this because they think addressing anything is "just drama" but some things really need to change at Hololive other wise you will get more 2024-2025 but on a worse scale.

>>104322631
Nah, these fans LOVE that the company is becoming a lot more robotic and number focused. At tgis point I can only imagine a good chunk of the people who like Holo talents here and fucking bean counters in the back office for them with how much people seem to reqlly care about their ccv/sales.

Haachama is a good kid, and FBK is a good friend

Haachama overstayed her welcome, people want something more consistent from Haato.

>>104322631
Holo is actually way too fair toward the lower-bracket holos. Every event they organize always includes some unpopular holos in the mix. In any other corp, they wouldn’t even get a single grain of rice if they weren’t in the top 25%.

>>104317958
I feel for her wanting to change her image, but the fact of the matter is she did a one-two punch of taking a 9 month break and then no longer doing the content she was known for after she came back
It would be a miracle if her popularity DIDN'T sharply decline after that

>>104320011
You're arguing with a little man in your head

>>104319318
>it's that management forced her not to
never happened something like this. You're just manipulating that anon's words.

>abandons akai heart persona
>goes balls deep into haachama hijinks
>farms views with weird stuff that makes even other members cringe
>now she wants to settle down
she made her own bed now she can lay in it, she carved out her own niche for better or worse

>>104322513
>She's objectively the least popular JP.
Not Riona?

>>104317958
Why did she need to tweet this? Reads like the "I have so much free time" tweet again.

Can Fubuki fuck off talking shit about the girls indirectly? She should know better, not just as a figurehead of the company, but with how much the company and the girls prop her up. Absolute Stacy behavior.
Also, what the fuck are Hachama's managers doing exactly? Her relevant content is almost half a decade old, why isn't she making the same kinds of Internet meme culture videos?

Haachama has been in some of my favorite Fes moments, like her duet with Ollie and her performance of IDOL last year. I hope she finds her way and gets what she wants.

I think she can still be more popular than she is now but from what she said, the implication is that she wants to be as popular as the top Holos so that she can pursue her projects on a larger scale. Not really sure if that's possible but I guess if Miko did it, anything can happen.

>>104321263
Oh will you look at that! The same girls I was talking about who grinded their way up (Vivi and Chihaya) being allowed to stream right now during JP primetime with popular talents like Pekora, Marine, Korone, Fubuki and Miko all streaming at the same time. Almost as if their efforts bore fruit.

>Holoniggers seething again
Lol, lmao even.

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>>104322674
Yeah those people are a problem but they exist outside of Hololive too. Worse case they start seething and shitposting everywhere else instead of enjoying their oshi/corpo's content. The problems with vtubers feeling inferior is only going to get worse with these type of fans ignoring the really problems in the vtubing industry.

>>104322791
>Unpopular
Even a 500k subbed Holo sweeps 99 percent of vtubers in terms of fanbase power. So in a business sense the people who can get into Holo are still impressive. Regardless giving opportunities to the same handful of people with the same fanbase makes no sense Holo or outside of Holo. Ex: The gap between what a large indie and medium sized indie can do is too much imo. Vtubing is too small right now for this shit and needs to grow.

>>104323150
Riona's not even 1 year into her debut. She has room to grow.

>>104318174
You are either a schizo or a liar. She is incredibly unpopular overall and regularly torpedos her popularity by trying to appeal to EN's who think she has brain damage and treat her like a clown to laugh at and never support. You can't just completely disable monetization on your channel for ages and then cry about how management never supports you. They are paying the unpopular members with money they took from the popular talents.

I know that from what I've heard, she's a really bubbly and happy person so I'd feel really bad if Roboco expressed similar feelings like this as well. Her lagging behind such a great gen is sticking out like a sore thumb.

>>104323385
>Cover only gives undeserved opportunites to the top 60 talents, they need to make it the top 80!
Popularity that individuals only have because the group is popular doesn't actually count for anything. That was the entire premise behind collab bans and branch distinctions, to force members to cultivate their own unique fanbases and not just a general audience they share with other members. You don't want all your fans to be people who actually oshi someone else.

>>104321783
no girl who has left JP has gotten anywhere near the same numbers they had though

>>104323526
Haato is a fucking kid, you have to let her be a kid. Roboco is a grown ass woman. They are not the same. Also, Sora is not really that much more standout than Roboco and Azki still hasn't even fully adjusted to being as popular as she is.

>>104323219
That's exactly what she hates, being held back by her old self. She's not a teenager anymore.

>>104323564
Sora's also pretty young yet she's pretty chill.

I for one have enjoyed her recent travel vlog content

>>104323652
Most people would mock you for believing Sora is young. Not just because they know her actual age but also because it means buying some weird lore that falls apart if you think about it too much.

holoantis are the most retarded people in the world
impressive

She’s so young and clueless, hiding behind a mountain of excuses and fake positivity. She got exactly what she asked for. Instead of focusing on growth, she clung to drama and begged for pity, which she fully deserved.

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>>104322563
>Looking at you, Justice

>>104322937
Its a holodrone having a melty. Dw bout his schizo breakdown.

>>104322563
>cover bootlicking
Cringe kill yourself faggot
>insulting justice
Based I kneel king!

>>104323811
She does deserve pity for the China situation, you're right anon.

>>104323782
What made them anti in the first place, huh? Fans wanted her to stick with them, but she wanted a hell of numbers. Her friends used whoever benefited them more than true friendship. If she can’t handle reality, trying to be like Pekora or Miko is exactly what she fucking wished for.

>>104322563
Honestly, it's weird that people just assume Rushia and Mel don't feel terrible that sponsors they get completely fail and embarrass them and that somehow it's better to slap a bunch of debt on Haato when she can't get the required numbers but fees need to be paid.

>>104323970
Rushias sponsors fail cuz she's a tramp so its better to have nothing to do with her.
Mels sponsors fails cuz nobody gives a shit about her.

>>104318221
>part of the main World Tour cast
Is there any reason to choose her over Nene, who’s been grinding music for the longest time?
She even got a guest performance in NYC, probably the best venue she could ever get, and these faggots here still blame Cover for not treating her well.

The Schizo gimmick had a ceiling, she did a hiatus without making a revision to her character.

What did she expect? You can't go bigtime if your gimmick is just for an extra attraction, you don't see performers like The Hurricane or The Boogeyman in the main event. They're midcard gimmicks at best. The last Champion with a hokey gimmick in WWE was Bray... AND HE'S FUCKING DEAD.

>>104324010
I wouldn't mind if she was a guest in the next EN concert, whenever that is. I think it would do her a lot of good.

>>104318278
When someone is trying to motivate me, tell g ne to try harder than pointing out their own success comes off a bit tone deaf and self-aggrandizing

>>104323234
>she wants to be as popular as the top Holos so that she can pursue her projects on a larger scale
What are her projects exactly? Haachama is so interesting but I don't really understand her identity or direction as a vtuber. I really liked her 3d Live and being introduced to Salome. I don't really understand the industry though

genuinely, not shitposting… the best thing chammers can do is to double down on getting closer to miggers…if miggers can save tower and lapu, she can definitely save chammers…and im not talking about only collabing, im talking about hanging out irl with her and her friends.. she could use either hubu or rui to get close to her maybe even suu as she’s considered miggers lil sister

>>104319318
Cover doesn't give a shit what she does, that's why she's unpopular. They don't stop her when she does ill-advised things. But nobody gets to have it both ways, you can't kill your channel and destroy your image and then beg for handouts as if you're a top earner. It's EN fans who try to hype Hacchama for her EN legacy as if that has any fucking relevance at all. EN's are not that popular compared to Hololive and Hacchama is even less popular than the EN's.

>>104318409
Ever heard of ‘rising waters raise ALL ships’? If they don’t think she can do it on her own, why did they flat out say no to her and go smaller and not like try to involve another talent who is close with Haachama to make it more viable? She is in Hololive but Cover is treating her like a feckless indie they don’t want bothered with

>>104318221
Not the first time she talked about this, and she is really going menhera over this topic for the past months

It started in June, also management didn't deny her because of her lack of popularity, they told her that she wasn't trying hard enough, so she was sad because she was seen as someone who wasn't putting the effort, even though from her pov she was tying her best, she talked about this in a karaoke stream back in late june.
Also, she regrets her "bug eating" era, that was pushed by management, in the end a lot of people were grossed out and she lost regulars.
She is struggling a lot recently and she really wants to gain new viewers who don't know about her past, even the lewd topics are taboo to her now, and she hates that there are people who still see her as a sexual harassser.

>>104324150
I've thought about this many times, not just the Miko thing but all sorts of relationships people could cultivate for popularity that would be totally natural but it seems that because they are women they very quickly get a complex about it not being instant, they can't maintain the facade long-term. The least popular Holo (Mel) was boosting herself with a new connection to Miko and then well before she was terminated she completely backtracked and tied the millstone that was the Homos and Nijis around her neck instead.

>>104324150
I'm out of the loop, what'd she do for Twap and Lap?

>>104323773
>it means buying some weird lore that falls apart if you think about it too much.
Such as?

>>104324184
Well, it's on Haato to reinvent herself. Her current gimmick did not resonate with the audience so she needs to tweak it, only then would things get better.

Tldr: she's being aimless.

>>104318884
Kinda wish now Mel had vented publicly rather than bitch and moan in private, she could still be around and maybe even achieved some of her dreams.

>>104319289
You act like her problems began with that hiatus, they have been happening for much longer

>>104324276
Gura left Holo, I don't think you can say she lacked talent or charisma. I don't think Chammers does either. How to make that fit that within Cover is more the question.

>>104321769
Yeah, its ridiculous to think every women ever crying is faking it. Think of a women crying for her family during a war, ir a women crying after losing her child, literally every instance if that happening would have to be fake for him to be right.

>>104318221
how will she get more popular if she doesn't get to do anything? i hate this sort of backwards japanese thinking

>>104324343
Sure, but most other factors are magnified by the hiatus.

>>104324345
Gura decided two years ago. Haato has no such mindset, thus the hiatus.

I love Haachama, but they can't just do something so expensive for just her.
Even Pekora had that harsh reality slapped in to her once and she broke down on stream about it.
If she could reframe it to include multiple people, even the whole company, it could be more worthwhile a venture.

>>104324099
you redditards are mentally ill

>>104317958
sasuga mane san

>>104324241
>Towa
whenever she’s interacting with migo i feel like lots and lots more people notice how good she is
>Lapu
miggers gave her an idea for a stream and even collabed with her in said stream. Peaked at 60k

Imma say it, all three of them Towa,Lapu and even Chammers are all incredibly entertaining in their own right except none of them knows how to exploit it or don’t want to. One of the most underrated Miko qualities is that she’s an expert producer. Maybe its all the eroge she’s played before but she JUST KNOWS how to bring the best of everyone. Shuba is a prime example

>>104324391
I don't really think the world tour or the "Tokyo dome idea" is everything.

>>104324214
I can't believe people already forgot the karaoke relay stream where she talked about wanting to reinvent herself and even invited the viewers to help her with it (because since it was a relay, she had a ton of viewers on her stream like 100k. more visibility, she knew it was a chance for her to turn things around with those viewers' help)

>>104319676
Honestly this whole episode really painted how disunited Gen1 is. Fubuki puts more effort into associating with Gamers while Chama and Matsuri flounder and Aki drifts into the fleshtuber sphere…and don’t even mention what befell Mel

Fubuki is a scam artist extraordinaire, only out for herself but somehow she convinced an ignorant fanbase that she is the shining exemplar of Hololive and her judgements are paramount. What a fucking crock of shit

She should do a travel vlog collab with another Holo. Then they finish the stream by trying to cook one of the dishes they ate along the way.

>>104324476
>Fubuki is a scam artist extraordinaire, only out for herself but somehow she convinced an ignorant fanbase that she is the shining exemplar of Hololive and her judgements are paramount. What a fucking crock of shit
Just goes to show that you can't trust a whore, not even a japanese one :)

>>104324476
That's literally Gen 1's most famous aspect, they've never been friends and always been the biggest stain on Hololive's legacy. The only reason anyone pretends Gen 1 even exists is because of Fubuki even though Gamers is her real gen.

As Haato, why not try cooking properly and actually making tasty and aesthetically looking food?

>>104324476
That's partially on holodrones for being retarded

>>104324501
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>>104324476
Wow, the samefag is back.

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>>104319676
>people
Yeah nobody cares except the anti samefag. You can talk both public and private obviously.

>>104324476
That's why Chama has to break free and go her own way if she wants to be Miko-tier.

>>104324214
the issue is that she’s done everything in her hands to fuck herself over. And that’s not recent, she’s been doing that for years. I don’t understand why she does what she does; I don’t think even someone wanting to destroy their career would be creative enough to do the stuff she does to destroy hers. The real issue is that she’s rushia levels of career destruction.
For years she’s been ignoring any holojp and kept pursuing EN talents and streaming with them in hours impossible for japanese people, and in a language that they can’t understand. Miko has been consistently trying to reach her but she’s just so fixated in EN and ID that she just doesn’t seem to care. Then she took insanely long hiatuses plus the random schizo shit; that translated in inconsistent and inconvenient streaming schedules. She also stopped playing games altogether and spammed a bunch of normalfag, reaction adjacent shit like streams about pictures from the fans. Then she started this weird travel vtuber shit that’s 100% incompatible with what vtuber is about. For fuck sake holo fans are ojisans who are tired from working and are lonely. They don’t want to watch riajuu adjacent content with no cute anime waifu on screen. Doing this a couple of times a year is very cool but making it your main content is beyond retarded.
If she really wants to grow she just needs to stop being retarded: stream consistently, stream games, do drinking streams or stuff that translate into “spending relaxing time with fans”, and stop begging for collabs with foreigners and start doing them with the JPs that are tired of trying to help you, like miggers and fubbers.
And stop the multiple personality disorder schizo shit forever. No more red-kun, chama, chammers, haato, haachama or tarantulachama. Just be one person.

>ITT: Goldust wonders why he can't get the WWE championship.

>>104324391
The fact that the government has to work overtime to keep idiots like you alive when you forget how to breathe is why everyone else can't have nice things. American thinking means everyone suffers to accomodate the worst members of society.

>>104324484
She collabed with Raden last month. I feel like they could actually make a great duo with Raden doing the heavy lifting of discussing the local culture of where they're visiting.
But I fear that Chama's not mentally well for her kouhai to handle.

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>>104324536
Nice cope holokek.

>>104324484
She could just invite other Holos to watch along. It wouldn’t take more effort than just asking. A travel vlog is an interesting idea, but she needs to promote it better.
She also needs to understand that Holobox doesn’t really care about her anymore. She has to put herself into the box instead of waiting for the box to notice her.

>>104324597
>wow , I got away with multiple IPs

>>104324568
Okay SEAbug.

>>104323545
Except we're now at a point where the company wants money, talents be damned. Tell me, why Mythmash? A group project none of the members actually seemed that interested in and streams during JP hours in Japanese. So tell me, why does it seem like EN is slowly eroding into JP sidekicks?

>>104324433
>Even Pekora had that harsh reality slapped in to her once and she broke down on stream about it.
when was this? what was it about

Fubuki is a bitch what else is new

>>104324615
Ik this is a hard concept for holofaggots to grasp but there's more than one person who doesn't agree with you! Yeah I know, isn't it so shocking the real world isn't a safe space for people who worship a corpo that produces glorified ewhores?

>>104324476
now now calm your tits hubuschizo…sure gen 1 is disunited as hell but why put it all on fbk? Aki found her niche since holofans seems ti have forgotten her, Haachama is weird af(although she’s a sweet girl), mel literally unalived her career by associating with a nijinigger and Matsuri is a literal menhera..next thing you’re gonna say is that rushia was terminated because of pekora or marine baka

>>104324562
>Then she started this weird travel vtuber shit that’s 100% incompatible with what vtuber is about.
What is it about? Not every holo is a "le sex hehehe" sexy joker type

>>104324657
Crying like this won't make Nimi leave that Altar.

>>104324638
Years ago, she had some undisclosed project that was denied over and over again. She cried hard tears of frustration and it felt like doomsday when it happened.
I forget how it came out, but it was revealed to be potentially a big fan raffle giveaway stream and everyone went "aaah I get why". Or at least I did.

>>104324562
A couple of these things she did because management told her to. She’s said herself that she’s easily influenced and cares too much about input from the higher ups. Honestly, after seeing her cry in almost every english karaoke about not sounding good enough, I think it really bothers her that she isn’t considered one of the ENs too.

>If she really wants to grow she just needs to stop being retarded: stream consistently, stream games, do drinking streams or stuff that translate into “spending relaxing time with fans” And stop the multiple personality disorder schizo shit forever. No more red-kun, chama, chammers, haato, haachama or tarantulachama. Just be one person.
She does that already, and her DID thing is mostly done.

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The ability of holofags to run damage control and deflect from their company is staggering, you could have full on audio of yagoo selling one of the girls to slavers, or one of them getting raped and somehow you guys would find a way to defend the corpo, or talk about how its nijisanji's fault or something.
You people don't give a single FUCK about these girls, they're just toys for you guys to collect, and one if gets out of line or complains? OH WELL, the company is always right.

>>104324517
Or she can collab with Ririka and make more girl failure meals

>>104324657
And there's the mask off.

You do not actually care about Haato, you only care about how to use her current issues for your "le black company" crusade.

>>104324637
What the fuck is that incoherent rambling? This is a thread about a talent wanting money for nothing, how the fuck does your schizo ass find an angle to justify your hatred of Japanese people out of that. For your narrative, things would have to be exactly the opposite, Cover would have to be going to Haato and asking her to do bigger projects when she just wants to be a freedom-loving failed channel.

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>>104324748
You're comparing being sold into slavery with having a Tokyo dome project denied.

>>104324536
You're not as smart as you think you are, lol.

>>104324463
It’s not just about numbers per se. It’s a given that management cares a lot about results and chases numbers, but if someone like Matsuri or Azki can have a solo live, why can’t Haato? Noel has talked about this a few times too, but even someone like her, who is much more popular than the other two, hasn’t been offered a chance for a solo live, even though she wants one.

>>104324568
So Haachama is the worst society has to offer? What are you even saying, pagpag?

>>104324748
> Identify the issue which was Haachama was at best a gimmick offshoot of Haato.
> do no discussion on how Haato could turn the situation around
Well, you do not care about Haato at all.

>>104322631
I noticed this too back in 2021 or 2022, the same half dozen or so were always a constant presence in events and merch and everyone else was in some lottery round robin to see if it was their time of the month to be fed scraps from the big table. It was the first time I felt jaded about Hololive

>>104324837
>Greentexting with a space
Go back to Twitter you retarded normalfag zoomer

>>104324817
I get that your brain has never adjusted to the passage of time but Azki is one of the most popular Holos and Hacchama one of the least popular. That's why one can have a sololive and the other cannot. And how the fuck do you think Matsuri could have a sololive? You must be insane. She's down there with Hacchama on the popularity scale.

>>104324733
>Honestly, after seeing her cry in almost every english karaoke about not sounding good enough, I think it really bothers her that she isn’t considered one of the ENs too.
When I first read this I thought it was a stretch but now I'm considering it. If there's nowhere for her to turn to in JP, I think EN viewers will welcome her. Problem is, most EN viewers will STILL expect and want schizo Chama.

>>104324817
How many songs does Haato have? Is it enough to actually have a sololive?

>>104322250
You can just look at how many of the previous JP talents used to try to pander to english but now most of them have completely dropped it when those fans dropped them. I'll even do you a favor and include some of the Homos here like Roberu and Aruran who attracted some english viewers thanks to the early memes but ended up losing them too anyway.

Even though her numbers are low she would have been well relieved at the EN concert. She is a huge icon in the EN scene.

>>104324817
Bro AZKi is one of the top most popular talents today because of her sadistic ASMR and other ASMRs

>>104324853
I became jaded about Hololive as a whole over that as well, everything became about ruining popular streams by stuffing them with dead weight members for pity reasons. That's why I stopped engaging with the branch-wide stuff and stick to my oshi and other members who have defined themselves.

>>104324675
doing otaku and idol adjacent stuff. Traveling and doing vlogs is normalfag content and vtubing is not a good media to do it on top of that.
>>104324733
>she’s doing that already
she already fuck herself over. nobody who watch holojp knows what she’s doing. She needs to collab and spend time with holos, get herself into the holo box again and more importantly stop the fixation with ID and EN

These ESL holoantis are hilarious with their outdated information about the JP scene.

>>104324910
I don't think it was just ASMR, or geoguesser for that matter. I feel like Azki's late bloomer rise is a good casestudy.

>>104324910
What the actual fuck are you talking about? She's been one of the most popular for years because of a thing she did a month ago?

>>104324805
>I'll keep believing as long as I can believe
Uh oh.

>>104324878
You don't need to have multiple original songs to do a solo live.

>>104324562
Anon, things like this show uniqueness and creativity and innovation, they aren't bad things but there is not roadmap to being successful through originality. I like Haachama specifically because of how unique she is. What's the point of having another CGDCT clone, especially if it's not what she really wants to be doing in the first place?

>>104324893
You do realize she doesn't want that, right? This must be a troll. Towa already was annoyed EN fans reduce her to years-old memes, Hacchama literally has these menhera moments because all she's seen as is those years-old memes.

>>104318343
>EOP
KEKARONIIIIIII

>>104324910
Completely retarded bandwagoner coomer who only became AZKi's fan just for that

>>104324977
Yeah, you do.

>>104324910
You are a retard tourist

>>104324989
Doesn't she like Taranchama and her spider outfit? I don't trust you, /vt/

>>104324980
that you find what she’s doing interesting doesn’t negate the fact majority of people who watch hololive doesnt. Or at least that’s what the numbers say.
Being creative is one thing but see how many “creative” artists live on welfare. As I said doing the vlogs from time to time is refreshing and I think it’s a good idea. What I don’t think it’s good is making it her whole personality. Lately it feels like haachama hates being a vtuber because she actively tries to do shit that aren’t really compatible with the medium

>>104325088
She likes Mumei, she's very sentimental about graduates since she feels she should be one. But you willfully admitting you don't want to know about her says everything.

>>104324937
Azki's popularity is pretty simple. She's just there, in the collabs, interacting, all the time.
As an avid clipwatcher who made zero effort to seek her out, she just appeared over and over again in all the projects/events/collabs with other holos. Not just showing up either, but taking charge, making big changes, having lots of other people focus on and react to her.
The S thing isn't her being some super succubus dominatrix, it's her playing that character with other holos, creating scenarios and jokes revolving around it.
Geoguesser was the same, people aren't THAT attracted to map tism, it's just that's it a readily identifiable memeable trait that makes her naturally come up in a variety of scenarios. "ho's that? Oh the map/doS girl" Instead of "Who's that? Uhh... I dunno lol" is the critical key to success.

Chama actually already had several of those moments and they DID work and make her really popular, for a while, and then they wore away to nothing and she hasn't really done anything recently to attract attention again. She's got to interact more. Like all those minecraft projects were a TERRIBLE idea, because she did them all alone and most people on the server didn't even know they existed. She should have gotten involved with some ENs in a project, insert herself into that construction corpo thing with Kronii, do the reverse and try to be the boss and get ENs to work for her, etc...

Basically I think her main issue is she's too shy. She hides away while trying ostensibly to get attention, and gives up and runs away if there's any resistance. She wants to be part of EN but doesn't act like she is.
In order to succeed, she's got to FORCE her way into things. Organize her own collabs or break into existing ones. Set things up specifically to be interacted with.

All her past successes weren't because she was crazy, it's because she dragged other people INTO the crazy.
She's got to either make a new thing and drag people into it, or else find something someone is doing and insert herself.

>>104325106
There's a price to going your own direction, if that's even possible in a corporate environment. Right now she's probably got a foot in each world which is an awkward situation for sure.

>>104324977
Most of them have full on original albums, I don't know of any of them that don't but there's probably one who just has an EP or something.

>>104324638
I forgot the exacts on the project but I remember both Pekora and Marine having separate crying sessions on stream (may have been members streams) over projects getting pushback or outright cancelled. Both happened around January or February 2021

>>104324672
No Rushia was terminated because of Flare

>>104325201
>believing everything you read on a webspace notorious for misleading the gullible
I'll take it under advisement, anon. Not saying I disbelieve everything but I take everything with a grain of salt here. Just saying

>>104325213
I agree a lot with this. As someone who is fond of chama I am always on a lookout for her during big collab events, oftentimes to find out she's either there just for a short time or is completely missing.

>>104324733
>Honestly, after seeing her cry in almost every english karaoke about not sounding good enough, I think it really bothers her that she isn’t considered one of the ENs too.
That...honestly kind of reminds me how out of place I felt in Japan despite all my efforts to Nihongo Jouzu over the years. Haachama truly is the mirror image of YWNBJ

>>104324772
Holofags really thinking they have some moral high ground is funny. Ganbare holofag kun, maybe Yagoo will take you with him on his next trip to Epsteins island!

>>104325431
Again, you don't care about haachama

>>104318221
EN basically stole her niche. Also her EN streams aren't as entertaining as other JP members who have worse english because it's too serious.

>>104324748
I've been saying that for a year now. Glad more people are waking up.

>>104325415
Really interesting observation. I wonder if you can tie this back into Coco. They seemed to really vibe together.

>>104324977
This, Mel had an entire album full of orisongs backing her and it got her nowhere. She put her streaming on the backburner to churn out songs on a level akin to Watame and unlike her who got 2 Sololives (so far), it never paid off for Mel

>>104325502
Her English isn’t good enough for effective communication, but it’s not bad enough to be interesting. In terms of using English as a way to engage, she’s in the worst possible spot.

>>104325464
You don't deny you're a soulless holodrone?

>>104324884
I mean you can't expect fans to stay if you won't acknowledge them for months at a time. Sure, the vast majority left when HoloEN sprung into existence but I think some JPs could have maintained a core group of EOPs if they threw them a bone every week or so.

>>104318221
>including being part of the main World Tour cast because "she isn't popular enough"
Haachama just has to go back 5 years and she would be popular.

>>104325522
Coco and Chama will forever be tied together in Hololive history.

>>104325502
I think if she wants to go the EN route she HAS to be ultra fluent and practically be Coco's replacement. That would mean putting a lot of work in learning the language though.

>>104325213
This was one of my biggest issues with Mel when she was still around, she consistently missed out on so many big events and collabs and then when she managed to get into some later on, she would almost always end up being just such a wallflower. She'd wall up inside her own mind and sit silently like some observer. Classic NPC Behavior

Watching RBC right now and she sounds happy. With this Chama thing right now though, I look at RBC currently only having 1k viewers and sometimes dipping into 900 and feeling sad about it.

>>104319809
Just because she streams in unholy hours for me doesn't mean I don't support her

>>104325213
Nah she changed her model and it works.

>>104325803
>t. clueless tourist

>>104318468
Duh.
There's a reason why Mori has had two sololives while the rest of EN haven't even had one.

>>104325803
This. Just change models until it works

>>104325803
Azki changed her model multiple times, there are 4 Azki's. Her popularity boost happened after she joined Hololive because she became a streamer instead of a music act.

>>104325669
>I think if she wants to go the EN route she HAS to be ultra fluent and practically be Coco's replacement.
It's too late for that. There's way too many members that are fluently bilingual without the accent now. She needs a different niche.

>>104325803
EOPs never beating the gooner casuals who only watch her for ASMR content allegations. As if her GeoGuessr streams aren't a hit.

>>104319318
she stopped doing EN streams after taking multiple long hiatus and breaks, chasing away the casuals (which most EN viewers of JP streamers fall into)

>>104319809
Always have

>>104325213
It began apparent to me during the Justice-Flowglow collab hosted by her- THIS is type of thing right up 'EN0's' alley.

>>104320633
Looking at Kanade's chat right now, yeah she has a lot of Korean commenters

>>104325876
NTA but most of her fans are newfag tourists that only know her when she officially transferred to Hololive so you tourists shouldn't fight each other

>>104320633
Kanade is Korean, blood supports blood.

>>104324929
>>104324562
>OG member
>first gen
>active for 7 years
>1.5mi subs
>streams 17-20 times per month
>3k-5k avg ccv
>original song with nearly 10mi views
>3 new original songs released this year
>5 new covers
>pretty much one karaoke stream a week
>chatting streams, gaming streams, cooking streams and collabs every now and then
>do all of this every since she came back from her hiatus in 2023
>somehow "not trying hard enough"
I won't compare what she is doing with other members, but come the fuck on.

>>104320633
Kanade also has the kusogaki niche that both shion and laplus really failed to capitalize on.

>>104318100
>>104318221
It is the unfortunate harsh reality of the entertainment industry, and to be fair, Haato hasn't really done anything impactful in a very long time that could put her in the spotlight once again. Her dual persona bug-eating crazy arc died out a long time ago, and even if I find Chamao and her deep voice very attractive in terms that I find an "older" and more down to earth Haachama interesting, it is still not enough to pull me into watching her again when it feels that it's just yet another gimmick she's using to recover some popularity.

I think she just got stuck on a ditch and can't find her way out. You can compare her to other older "unpopular" holos like Roboco who has really nice zatsudan streams and also streams FPS games, or Aki who has been grinding fighting games and has even joined online tournaments, even Matsuri is still collabing with a lot of other non-holo chuubas. Meanwhile Haachama rarely collabs nowadays and she only tends to reappear in the english viewership's attention when she's collabing with EN or ID with her still semi-broken english.

Wishing her the best, but she really needs to start thinking about the kind of content she wants to be viewed for and focus on it.

>>104318627
>$100m
No way this is true. I haven't seen the latest financial report, but I'm sure it's not a hundred million fucking dollars

>stupid split personality gimmick she tried to milk hard that got stale super early ended up tanking her popularity
>shitty "English" unsurprisingly didn't reel in enough actual English viewers
She needed a reality check. She's just been coasting with karaoke.

Haaton here, so many retard tourists here who are fucking clueless. I love her but her numbers are terrible because she's a bad streamer. Poor consistency and poor game choices hurt. Another big issue is she's weird, and not in a good way, which makes it hard for her to form actual connections for collabs. Notice all her friends in Holo are the ones that are genuinely sweet people - watame, kanata, nene, but she doesn't really ever interact with the popular ones. She clearly looks up to marine a lot, she copies her on a lot of shit (used her exact formatting for her MV, paying tiktok girls to do dances to her songs) but it just isn't working. That said, hololive is where it is in large part thanks to her, in large part when she was fucking underaged. The company should give her support she doesn't necessarily deserve out of respect for that.

Also Fubuki should shut her fucking mouth imo. You don't ever hang out with her or invite her to the 50000 group events, so fuck off. Don't need you lip service every single time someone mouths off about the company.

>>104319772
I don't think you understand how corporations work

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>>104326995
>You don't ever hang out with her or invite her to the 50000 group events, so fuck of
Imagine siding with Haachama when she has a history of ghosting JPs for absolutely retarded reasons.

>>104324390
The same women would fuck their invaders just because of hypergamy or post on Twitter about how fetuses are clumps of cells

>haachama's vent stream gained 40k views in just 12 hours because of what happened
What the...

>>104327068
Yes I said she's weird and not in a good way, hoshikawa has said she's the strangest girl she's ever met. But what I said is Fubuki should shut the fuck up about it if she doesn't do anything to help, let her be weird in peace. Miko's reply was a thousand times better.

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When was the last time any of you even watched her? Everyone just regurgitates the pepeloni meme from ages ago.

>>104326995
>That said, hololive is where it is in large part thanks to her, in large part when she was fucking underaged. The company should give her support she doesn't necessarily deserve out of respect for that.

I understand your sentiment, but remember that Hololive is, at the end of the day, an idol business whose entire revenue comes from how popular their talents currently are, and being a publicly traded company means that they also have the responsibility of looking out for their own investors, as much as I personally detest them. It is a sad state of affairs when one of their OG chuubas needs to fight for chances at the spotlight, but that's the harsh reality of the idol industry.

>>104327068
>when she has a history of ghosting JPs for absolutely retarded reasons
This, holy shit
>the Matsuri birthday drama
>making Watame feel like shit and leaving her to worry about what SHE did wrong for months
I wouldn't be surprised if she just refuses invites

Everyone keeps saying she needs to get a reality check that she doesn't have every EN viewer anymore now that EN viewers are spoiled for choice with actual English speaking Holos but I hope that Cover themselves know that as well. The landscape has changed and it's delusional to think that Haachama is still the only Holo that EN viewers mostly watch.

>>104327246
His sentiment is that everyone who was in early should be able to coast forever just because of legacy. That's fucking retarded. Nobody would want to join a company where everything will be extracted from them and given to those who came before.

>>104327246
They are more popular than 99% of the idol groups out there. I'm really sick of this shit about 'the grind'. They did it getting into Holo and while it's good to have asperations, it's shit to dump on your content and your personal interests for the betterment of the company as a whole. Fight for what you want, play ball occasionally, but don't turn into an empty vessel for the company to use however they please.
>>104326995
There isn't a real respect for tenure anymore, it's all about the money and brand power, which really sucks for talents who've fallen to the wayside or have always been on the lower end, as well as their fans who usually get the brunt of their frustrations like this. I'd rather they vent sometimes to fans than sit in silence, but you get some fag force who comes in shelling for the company like you see for a huge chunk of this thread while shitting on the individual talent and their contributions over the years. Ever notice just how much shit Kiara gets for talking about this stuff somewhat consistantly?

>>104327210
>Miko's reply was a thousand times better.
Don't have an account. What did she say?

She's too stuck in the past. Her personality isn't crazy (it was always quirky at best) compared to things other girls have managed to do. The average person isn't going to watch her for wacky Engrish when there are so many EN gens with unique dynamics and regular collabs. Practically every girl does karaoke. She's still playing stuff like Getting Over It.

>>104325213
Good analysis, agree completely.
All of them need their own niche or team dynamic to raise themselves up.

>>104327210
>let her be weird in peace
but Fubuki is right>>104327451
>it's all about the money and brand power, which really sucks for talents who've fallen to the wayside
Is this your first idol ANYTHING?

>>104327210
It is time, Chama. Answer Miko's call and join her clique.

I like haachama's deeper voice better. she only did it once for April Fool's day, but that voice was pure fucking sex.

>>104327737
Chamao? She used it to call in on Miko's 2D stream if that's what you're referencing but she's used it for entire streams on her channel.

>>104318313
>she's doing PR damage control
Not to be cynical but it does feel like damage control since Haachama made statements that were critical of management and Fubuki told her that she needed to try harder and that everything would go well. That shifts attention away from Cover after they told Haachama that she wasn't important enough to join the World Tour.

>>104318174
>the real reason is they're cozying up to china again and are worried she might be a problem
This, and management almost ran her off the same as what they did to Coco. They couldn't fire anyone over the Taiwan flag yab but they did encourage graduation in various ways. Haachama is still in Hololive but they aren't going to draw attention to her because they doing everything they can to get back into the Chinese market so they can shill merch on bilibili.

>>104327618
People talk about the idol jounry all the time, but the usual struggle is shit like picking up day old bread and working a part time job during the day while continuing to practice on the side and do multiple performances every week while scraping by. You know who isn't scraping by anymore?

>>104327967
Tell me why she deserves to be there instead of Nene.

You can see the rrat evolving in this thread kek

>>104327210
What Fubuki said wasn't even bad. Someone needed to be more direct with Haachama. She's still like a kid.

>>104327967
>she deserves this position and that means someone else who has it does not deserve it
>but don't ask me to defend that, that's Cover problem to sort out and they are evil either way!

>>104327618
>Is this your first idol ANYTHING?
NTA but yes, I thought this shit was weird weeaboo crap before Hololive clips made me laugh. Years later I still don't care all that much for the idol stuff, rather funny haha streams than concerts

>>104325213
>clipwatcher
Thanks for letting us know we shouldn't care what you think.

>>104318372
Why?

Here's an idea since Fubuki seems to feel the need to put her two cents in and make Cover not sound so bad. Put her fucking money where her mouth is and help Haachama out by making this project of hers like Gen1 or something then maybe Cover won't blanche at getting them into Tokyo Dome.
But its far easier for Fubuki to just settle with a brown nosing tweet to defend THE HONOR of the Corporation.

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Thread full of retards and holo antis.

>>104324733
>I think it really bothers her that she isn’t considered one of the ENs too.
I blame whoever stopped her from doing the whole EN0 thing, because it was cute

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Cover's reason is fucked up but Haachama hasn't done anything meaningful or interesting in years so I also get it. She also just has bad content so I get why she's not popular. Let's say you, as a casual viewer who isn't a Haaton, just looked at her channel. Do you see anything recent that you're like "Oh man, let me catch up on that."? Probably not.

>>104317958
>Already doing damage control
Sasuga Cover's loyal mouthpiece.

>>104329042
>and help Haachama out
Haachama doesn't need help!
She's le crazy idol!

>>104329155
Why are you here? I thought you retards went to that new hugbox of yours.

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>FBK: I know you have your doubts, but if you keep working hard, people will recognize your effort and you will find success! I believe in you!
>/vt/ards: this fucking bitch...

>>104329690
Not even going to put on your mask, retard?

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>>104329695
They're holo antis. They don't actually think Fubuki is a bitch, they just want other people to think that. They're not winning unless hololive is ruined.

>>104329835
Because I don't need to. I'm not going to pretend I don't hate holowhores because it would hurt your feelings.

>>104329656
Then Fubuki should shut her fucking trap