5 years later, what is their legacy?
>>104358989You are in it. This board.
>>104359029Would've been created even without Myth.
They invented EN vtubing that wasn't awful.
>>104359061If your grandma had wheels she would've been a bike.
>>104359103Cap
>>104358989they were lucky they were first. besides gura none of them would have been hired today.
>>104359108This one is good
>>104359108Jokes on you, she was a bike./vt/ would've still gotten created because Hololive already had a massive following before Myth and holofags kept killing 2hu threads on /jp/.
Lots of cringe culture youtube videos in 5 years from now mocking you.
>>104358989Myth was a failed experiment. Send the JP speakers to HoloJP and graduate the rest.It's time we gatekeep this hobby once more.
Over rated shite. Perfect example of over rated EN chubbas, and 99.9% of EN chubbas fucking suck.
>>104359254It wasn't a failure. But it is a piece of shit that should never have happened.
>>104359132Pipe down zoomie.
>>104359103Gura and Ame were pretty awful though
>>104359315/lig/fag, SEAmurai, or Phasefriend?
>>104359364So are Mori and annoying orange.
>>104359366Mostly small indies. I follow 2 NijiJPs, and a few Holos.
>>104358989They invented the ideal western vtuberNo skin, no face reveal, no "v-tweeting", no politics and they streamed almost exclusively in English during NA hoursMediocre gameplay, interesting skills improvement narrative arc, and held occasional concert to keep things fresh. They experimented with stream formats like VRchat worlds and narrative projects (Ame and Mori anyway) When they're gone there will never be a set of vtubers who could replace them
Myth as a whole?, nothing, they were the first and that's all, they didn't accomplish anything on their own worth mentioning, but let's take a closer lookGura: Dodgers collab, this one is the closest to a legacyAme: the first affiliate, not all that impactful but it does have some importance from a market standpointIna: I don't know, certified merch monster though so I'm sure she has something. Kiara: NothingMori: arguably the most important being the first vtuber ever to sign with a major record label even if it was a flop, too bad about everything else though.As a group: Nothing, but the one time they played twister and roulette was super fun.
>>104358989Early Myth was the peak of vtubing in the West. 200k live viewers on karaokes.Over 4 million fell down the rabbithole.Still boggles my mind that Cover let the American girls go. Might as well go all JP now.
>>104358989Gura is the only one with a legacy. No one ever gave a shit about the rest.
>>104359549It was never peak. You were just bored, face facts.
>>104359606I can tell what is boring now, but you holofags will get upset.Enjoying Saba letting loose more in recent streams.
>>104359603>>104359670Why do you guys shitpost transparently like this?
they are the trial gen, the one that stumble, set the guidelinesshame the management didn't learn their lesson until advent
>>104359606ThisMyth was good just because they were the first of the EN.If they would apply now, they wouldn't be considered, maybe just Ina?
>>104358989The entirety of western vtubing is their legacy
>>104359670Damn, at least say that to a holofag not me. Saba is so mid its not even funny.
>>104359702From my oshihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ_M9XHARm4&t=4980s
>>104359540impressively retarded post in an already retarded thread
>>104359734>If they would apply now, they wouldn't be consideredGura didn't upload the content they requested in her application. Didn't sing, and even refused a video call with them. And they still hired her.
>>104359540What EN group did something worthy of being an accomplishment?
>>104360079>Gura didn't upload the content they requested in her application. Didn't sing, and even refused a video call with them.Why do people continue to hire blatantly obstinate women?
Ina sex Ina wife. That's about it. The rest will burn off and be forgotten.
>>104359339Cap
>>104360437Fr fr unc be spittin too much fire
>>104360461Ragebait harder, please and thanks
>>104358989>starting/popularizing multiple trends and avatar extensions/variations (Ame)>first collab with major western brand (Taco Bell) (Gura)>first Dodgers collab (Gura)>first western vtuber signed to major music label (Mori)>first western vtuber to perform at Budokan (Mori)>first western vtuber involved in anime OP/ED (Mori)>first major vtuber solo concert in US (Mori)>first vtuber to appear on Billboard top artists list (Mori)>first vtuber performing for Japanese imperial family (Mori)>first vtuber to be involved with major western media property (DC Comics/Warner Bros) (Mori)
>>104360524On God?
>>104360063Impressively worthless post in an already impressively worthless life.>>104360329So far no EN group has accomplished something worth adding to the vtuber history books, same way no other gen has been as meaningful and impactful as Myth was, it's been a slow but steady decline in relevance.
>>104359207she was the village bicycle
>>104360654Shit, Mori sure got a lot of shit handed to her on a silver platter.
>>104359364It's funny how hard Holofans rewrite history now, how the most popular members who quit were actually always awful
>>104360902that's a brave attempt to cope away things she were chosen for from multitude of other options
>>104360079Indeed, that's why if they would do it now, they would not hire her.
>>104360902>Music company in Japan>Make a shit load of music and live in Japan>Surprised when this makes her popular and a first pick for promotions
>>104360998Even more impressive is how she got all that while being shit at rapping and "making" music.>>104361076All thanks to being in Hololive. As I said, she got everything handed to her.
>>104361180your posts are growing more incoherent
>>104361180
>>104360902>>104361180It's 50:50, because japs were hungry for niggerslop music, and it coming from a fat pasty white fakeweeb is exactly the medium they'd want it from. As much as Mori's music makes me cringe (except internet girl), It was a mutual transaction.
>>104360902And she flopped at every single thing, she started being bigger than Suisei but look at her now lol
>>104361180>All thanks to being in Hololive.>Be in Hololive >Help Hololive get more popular >Be rewarded by... Hololive ???? Nigga you probably wonder why people get raises or performance bonuses
>>104361231is the tranny furfag image supposed to be like a signature, because that's a bit on the nose
>>104361269on Billboard Top 100 last yearwith a sold out Hollywood concert this year
>Same ramblings>same arguments>same idiot who probably thinks Mori took a spot from her.Never change.
>>104361286Hololive was already massive in the west before Myth, newfag. Mori has done about as much to help Hololive grow as Roboco.
>>104360654how the fuck did mori get into the music industry so easily? did she touch a japanese man's weenie?
>>104361419
>>104361361>Same tired old bait>Deadbraps still biteNever stops being funny.
>>104361490Eh, "Never change" is a very neutral statement when taken in face value, but you do you, I guess.
>>104361307Pppppffffffff hahahahaha
>>104358989Kiara - kfpCalli - rap, lean and horsesIna - not entirely irrelevant but also far from relevant. A perfect example of a chubba who merely exists.Ame - failed to improve herselfGawr - laziness
They brought in thousands of ironic weebs and failed normalfags, doing immeasurable damage to the fanbase as a whole.
>>104361575do you have the illness from Joker when you laugh at random factoids
>>104361599This actually, they turned out to be basic twitch thot ironic weebs in disguise. We got trojan horse'd so hard.
>>104358989Ina - TOMORROWKiara - that one distorted picture of herAme - tummy hortMori - horsesGura - not streaming
>>104361660those left and took their fans with them
>>104360656Fax jits can neva keep up
>>104358989Realistically they're the true founders of the entire EN vtubing industry.Everyone else has been trying to chase or react to Myth and holoEN ever since. You're either trying to imitate them or trying to be some sort of inverse or alternative.Yes, a few random examples of people doing it earlier exist, but very few of them really mattered at all before Myth.
>>104361361Off with their heads is still reaping (heh) retards years later
>>104361837That song spawned Shiina, Bae and many others too.
>>104361724Coco is the one who essentially founded EN vtubing. She's the one who turned EOP tourists into fans and pushed Yagoo to create an English branch.
>>104361924And then she abandoned them, FOR FREEDOM LMAO.
>>104361937More like pushed into graduation and then blacklisted by Cover.
>>104362033LOL, you've already been exposed, VSHOJOshill.Kson was poached by Vshojo like Rushia was.
>>104362069Yeah, I'm sure giving her the banishment room treatment didn't have anything to do with her quitting.
>>104358989Mori farting on the toilet, she should do that again desu
>>104362182Nothing you say here will get you that money Gunrun promised you shills.
>>104362269How many boogeymen do you allow to live rent free in your head?
>>104362186wait there was a brapper before cc?
>>104362400How many giftcards do you need?
>>104362416Mori was the fart queen of EN before CC. Ollie too to a lesser extent. Towa ripped a few too.
>>104362481why isn't there a clip with all compiled holobraps?
>>104361461she just was "the first". That's all. Also she works really hard.
>>104358989lol
>>104362422None. I think kson is a whore, and I wouldn't even know who gunrun is if the catalogue wasn't filled with you fags making fun of him after vshojo went down.Do you want to pick another boogeyman, or are you going to double down?
>>104362532>Oh no, I've been found out, better deny everything!
>>104358989Giving schizos an unlimited energy source, as demonstrated by this thread.
>>104362579That Mori anti alone is a hilarious treasure trove of schizo ramblings. It's obvious it's just one person because all its takes are just the same horrible rrat and it can't really pretend to have anything else to post.
>>104358989They held down the fort until Justice and Advent. That was their whole purpose. They're basically the shock troops and their job is done. Let them retire lmao.
>>104362563You're the one obsessing about them.
>>104362684>Adventfags are retarded touristsand water is wet.I now feel what Soratomos feel when HoloX faggots shit on Sora.
>>104362801*Spits in your eye* Sit down uppity faggot.
>>104362684>>104362801Same behaviour as the idiots who claim that 2020's Basketball is better with all the 3pt shot chucking and the lack of defense.
>>104360346>>104361056Hiring her was the best decision Cover ever made.Not keeping her was one of the worst.HoloEN -50% YoY.Any other business losing half its revenue would demand major firings. Not to mention, outside of JP, she was the face of Hololive.
>>104363080>Not keeping her was one of the worst.It's not like you can force someone to work with you, if they don't want to work for you, they will not, you cannot just say "yes" to whatever they'll say, you don't even know the real reason why she quit.>Not to mention, outside of JP, she was the face of Hololive.Fortunately things can change, and has to change.
>>104363144It's mutual destruction. saba isn't really tearing it. I just hope that she decided right, as I don't see an actual eagerness to push the boundaries. saba just isn't the same, and I'm sure a percentage of chumbuds feel that too.
>>104358989Mori>CenaGura>AustinAme>MichaelsKiara>RockIna>Taker
>>104361419>Hololive was already massive in the west before MythNot even close to what Myth exposed to the world.Without their mascot, they are back to focusing only on JP.>Mori has done about as much to help Hololive growNot close to the rise of Gura, however, she was the second most subscribed of Hololive. But Cover's direction destroyed that momentum, while others kept HoloEN afloat. No longer with Hololive.
>>104363080>HoloEN -50% YoY.You can look at numbers, but apparently not read reports.
Gura was a mistake bringing over her shitty fanbase to holo
>>104359061It was created because they didn't want EN in /JP/ retard
When you think about the level of success that Calli has, it’s insane that more people don’t out some respect on her name. She has an MGS collab, a song that featured in One Piece, an ED for WB with Suicide Squad, has signed with a major music label, and has done live shows in the west. She got Lotus Juice and TK for features, made it onto the Bilboard top 10, and gets regular play on Japanese radio. If another vtuber had even 1/10 of her mainstream success, it would be considered amazing, and yet Calli’s done it all.
>>104361231Lol nice seething
>>104363144Should have just let her cook, instead of guilting her to protect the brand. It became a meme for her, "I must protect the brand." If they only loosened the leash and stopped being so petty.You can say they were spoiled with the freedom at the start. HoloEN did better on their own.Anons forget that, of all people, Kiara was the first that wanted to quit due to management.Just look at how perms are handled with the girls. With Stars, they have an online spreadsheet that gets updated in real time on their requests, while the girls have to submit forms and wait for replies with no updates or follow-ups, or in some cases forgotten. Gura said they snapped at her once for giving too many requests. Got to the point that she just watched Kaela on what she can stream.Cover still refuses to fix issues like this, like they refused to fix high shipping costs all these years. Their incompetence is being exposed.
>>104363481it was Top 100 and>Calli
>>104363628>Should have just let her cookShe spent 2 years cooking, all that was left of the stew was fumes and burned carbon
>>104363658>all that was left-50% YoY.Holy shit, how can they lose half their revenue right after she left?Saba is making more money than ever. Million dollar in merch sales without Cover leeching over 50% of her revenue.
The only two real EN graduates are Mumei and Sana. Ame is an Affiliate, while the rest are the people who got scammed by Vshojo.
>>104363649Nope. Pantomime actually debuted at number 9https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/foster-the-people-third-top-10-on-billboard-album-sales-chart-paradise-state-of-mind-1235764457/
>>104358989Living rent free in your head
>>104363628Man, you people are trying so hard to convince others that Cover is evil. It’s okay, anon. Not all corpos are ran my mustache twirling villains.
>>104363719huh
>>104363772Phase Connect will win in the end
>>104363628>Should have just let her cookCook what?How do you know those are the real reasons that made her quit and not just an annoyance that you can bear?Also do you know the real reasons behind "perms"?Also compare what she is streaming now, with what the holos are streaming, do you think there is such a difference? No.Everything you say means nothing without proof and what Saba is actually doing.
>>104363772Not evil. Still the best vtuber agency.It's that the fans can't admit their fuckups.The Stars fiasco was all on them. Luckily, they had Gura, who refused their Bud Light moment.
>>1043634632hufags can't distinguish between JP and EN, or even between Hololive and other agencies. They complained to Hiroshimoot en masse about vtubers in general because when Hololive got its own split, holofags started burning through threads at a crazy pace that pushed all the other threads out. Myth only hastened the creation of /vt/, but wasn't the main reason.
>>104363805This. Saba IS boring. There, I said it. I tried, I really tried watching her, but I slept through her streams one time.Even her DMC3 stream was a fraction of what Gura did in terms of enthusiasm and spunk.Gura from 2020/2021 is better than saba right now, I'm sorry.
>>104363834A difference of work expectations isnt a fuck up. A deliberate action against their workers would be, and that’s not happened so far.
>>104361461She already had prior history with larger creators and years of experience.
>>104363935Kronii cared enough to ask her fans, and left the stream, agreeing with them.For her to do a 180 against her own audience later was Cover's greed pushing their project.The resistance knew that, and invited her into SNOT.
>>104364040>The resistanceYou mean the Lazy ones.
>the resistanceYou mean the Lazy ones and the poacher for Vshojo, right?
>>104358989One thing that really stands out to me when I remember Myths debut is all the big E-celebs trying to get attention because Vtubers were the current hot thing, only to get completely ignored. Given how much lower ENs viewership expectations were than they actually turned out to be, it would have been easy for talents and management to want to capitalize on it, but they resisted. And I know the walled garden did come down in other ways in the following years, but it could have been so much worse
>>104364079>Lazy ones.Going on your own without a brand, is furthest from being lazy.They lazy ones are those who settle for being yes men.The young still have dreams to accomplish, while the hags are looking to settle in.
>>104364150yeah, Saba is just doing what she did in Hololive as Gura, with less enthusiasm. Good luck.
>>104358989They give birth to my kids every year. last year it was Calli (I was drunk so pls don't shame me). I guess it's time to move on next gen.
>>104364150With dreams like "Little Lore Drop" and Remember me doing (what Gura did better), I'd rather "settle"
>>104362069VShojo's been dead for a while, now, anon. And in all that time, I've never seen anybody defend them to any capacity. Back in late 2020, it was horrid. Coco couldn't really collab with anybody or else both chats would get flooded with bots. She couldn't stream and read her own fans' messages. The interaction she thrived on was gone and she was just a gutted shell who physically could not perform the same content she was used to because some chinese bugs decreed that she used the wrong word. Absolutely nobody believes Coco when she said that she graduated for reasons unrelated to that nonsense, especially when you actually look at the streams affected by it. Cover either didn't want to or couldn't help her, and who knows how much of it is actually their fault. (Did they really mod the chinese anti by accident? Why weren't they investing in or buying anti-bot programs that already existed?)Whether by choice or malice, cover failed to protect her, and even then Kson kept supporting the company and its girls, even showing off merch or mentioning the company fondly regularly.
>>104364189Look closely, and you'll see archived karaoke. No perm restrictions. Games with mods. She's only started.>Saba: Working on five outfits.>Chat: They let you do that?>Saba: 'They' is me. I'm the boss now.
>>104364040>The resistance knew that, and invited her into SNOT.You mean the same resistance that had a member that got upset at COVER because they wanted her in Japan, but her fiance didn't want that?
>>104364360I'm curious who'll be making the outfits, or if they'll be entirely new models (chibi models, etc.) Cillia's got a hard limit now on 1 outfit per year per child (which may or may not include the base), but there are plenty of other good riggers she can use in the meanwhile.
>>104364360>not one of them has been revealed, just like Gura's EP.
>>104364391Yes, those that kept HoloEN afloat through its darkest times of bad decisions.
>>104364436>thosepretty much just Fauna. Let's be real. There was an extreme lack of streams, and she was one of the very few who still kept streaming.
>>104364436>bad decisions More like>hey, I want more projects>okay, but you have to travel to Japan to sue the studio>but I don’t want to>…welpIt’s the same as Kiara and ID complaining because they don’t get enough merch and spotlight. It’s because there’s no demand for it. Don’t blame the company if you can’t manage to sell.
>>104364436>lol trying to defend le cgdct when one of their members is ACTUALLY engaged to a man she's going to marry.You're a clown.
>>104363700>Holy shit, how can they lose half their revenue right after she left?The education system has failed you.
>>104361924I'll take your word for it, I legitimately had almost no idea who Coco was beyond some random clips before her graduation tour, I started watching with Myth. But from what people say it does sound like she laid a lot of groundwork.
>>104364415Actually, three, but enough modifications of two to make it like five.Saba has no problems getting people to work for her. Many big names follow her account already.Omocat had $400k worth of merch already made. Not pre-orders. She is a safe investment. It sold out in minutes, and later preorders sold even more.
>>104364551-50% YoY less than last year, while last quarter had no decline YoY.Losing 50% is enormous no matter how you want to cope it.
>>104364642>it can’t be world politics like tariffs>no>it must solely be GuraFuck off
>>104364742Tariffs are a major cope.The biggest burden is shipping, which costs as much as the merch. Tariffs are a small part in comparison. Cover is still refusing to fix that after all these years. Need to remind you, even with the exorbitant shipping costs, Gura's merch still broke records.
>>104358989Apples and rivers.
>>104364817>Tariffs are a major cope.Eigo jouzu cover stock holder
>>104358989Not streaming video games
>>104364992I dumped my Cover stocks and invested in the dip in US tech stocks. Felt like stealing.Cover's greed for a high profit margin from cheap Chinese acrylics caused them to ignore the shipping burden on the Western fans. Biting them in the ass now.Meanwhile, enjoying Saba's merch made of cloth and wood.
>>104358989Opened the fucking tourist floodgates.
>>104364360meanwhile, EN girls sang in Radio City Music Hall and aim for Madison Square Garden, for mainstream recognition of vtubing artists and showing their fans aren't just your typical stream watcher and an actual vibrant and active communityin the end Gura was a small girl with small dreams and the big dreamers stayed
>>104365536She lied to herself about wanting to be like Miku, I think. I don't think she really liked otaku culture outside of stealing the ironic aesthetic.
>>104365401Gura knew what she was giving up.The question is, was it that bad?We won't know due to NDA. But she's been cheeky about it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ_M9XHARm4&t=4980sSaba is happy now. Already announced, working on a concert. Speaks of meetings without complaints, too.
>>104365567Hard to deny her being a Miku fan.She's sung about all her popular songs, through her and other 3D Lives, even with Mumei on her birthday.Not all Miku fans are otakus.
>>104365661>Not all Miku fans are otakus.Disgusting.
>>104363834>The Stars fiasco was all on them.Absolutely obsessed.
>>104366030It was the Bud Light, Cracker Barrel moment.Pushing own ideas, ignoring what matters, the customers.Personally, I didn't mind Stars. Just that they used the wrong approach. Brute force was not the way. They should have let them remain separate for a while, building their own audience. Then kept the collabs professional. .ie keep dick in pants and no acting like in heat. For the sake of both audiences of an idol agency.Doki's way of doing it comes to mind. Brute force was not the way, nor feeding the frenzy on Twitter.
>>104358989They set up the stage for EN vtubing to properly boom.
>>104360917It's amazing how indiefags rewrite history now, the 2 girls who were lazy whores and coasted for over half of their careers were in fact, awful.
>>104366639to bad like 90% of it is corpse flowers so all you get is the smell of rot
>>104363628Cook what exactly? Her "projects" she ghosted for over 2 years for turned out to be literally 1 music video. In her entire career she only had like... 3 orisongs and no sololive despite being the "number 1 vtuber". And what "projects" has Saba done so far? She has all the freedom in the world now and she's not doing anything with it.
>>104366566How can you say is it pushed?Like since every gen tries to collab with other gens, do you think it's pushed too? Or is it natural because they already know each other or they want to know each other and having fun together?
laziness laziness + tummy hurtboringpitiable + resentful.
>>104358989they are the only vtubs to give a shit about world of darkness and that makes them based
>>104360917None of those people are Holofans. Real ones pogged the fuck out when Ame came back for Kiara's 3D live.
>>104359540Post reads like someone who started watching them around 2024. Buddy, you missed all the greatest moments.
The popularization of western vtubingIf your oshi's channel didn't exist before September 2020, feel free to say thanks
>>104367020Why is it that the EN talents are so bitter but the JP talents are perfect?
>>104367020>pogged
>>104366897Not make it routine collabs. More special events.Like the Violinist playing with the Cello.Ignoring the audience complaints was pushing it with brute force. And right after they debuted.Managers were lazy, thinking they could just copy Nijisanji and it would eventually work out.
>>104367155ur brown lol
>>104367168I didn't ask a solution anon, i asked you how can you tell something is pushed and not something the talents actually want to do it. Also who's the audience are you talking about? The vocal minority?
>>104361724Selen said she modeled her shtick off of Ame so I can believe this. And I think it was Bae that said she got into EN with Mori's advice. Myth was undoubtedly the inspiration for a lot of girls.
>>104367020POGCHAMP POGGY WOGGY?!WHO'S MY LITTLE POGGERS??!This is you.
>>104367155>>104367264Yes and?
>>104359061And North America was discovered without needing Colombus, and yet he is universally loved and adored and has holidays for him.Myth is the Christopher Colombus of en vtubing.
>>104362684Without Myth there would be no Advent or Justice.
>>104361937>>104362069kill yourself windy
>>104367222History has proven Twitter freaks are the minority.Don't judge by the amount of words they spew, but by the customer's reactions. Forget how bad those that collabed declined? Mori used to be the second subscribed in Hololive, behind Gura. Her decline was horrendous. Twitter freaks don't watch streams. It's all virtue signalling.Other than Mori, I don't believe for a second they wanted to sabotage their careers so much, except for the company. Kronii used to be top of Council. They did her wrong.So how are they acting now?
>>104363772Every corporation by design prioritizes profits over anything else, even the well being of their employees. I don't know if you'd call that evil necessarily, but I wouldn't call that good either.
>>104367139Well you'd think that because you don't speak Japanese.
>>104359162NTA but probably this for half the gen. They do have the merit of being the first but let's see how far it takes the ones that leave
>>104365595theres concerts and there's "concerts"the hasbeen band that eternally plays in small bars can technically be touring, but they probably dreamt of a different future
>>104367612Gura was sent to Taiwan right after HoloFes for promotions. Not a day of rest.She has shown that a Meet and Greet karaoke can bring in crowds. I'd personally prefer it since it's a more 'live' event.
>>104367384Mori is doing the same things as ever, treating males like any other collab partner or coworker, as she did from debut, making your entire paragraph read retarded from top to bottom
>>104367703Let me know when her popularity returns to as before.Who will be the next face of Hololive for the world? The world's first and second language is English, so JP won't work. Mori, Biboo?
>>104367760Mori in 2021 was not appearing in Billboard Top 100Mori in 2024 was2021 Mori wasn't singing for anime, 2024 Mori was2021 wasn't invited to open international events, 2025 Mori wasyou're talking about empty numbers composed of clipfags and tourists, as the same girl you're commenting on sold out her biggest concert location to date, an actual indicator of her cateer progressing
>>104367981Fuck idolshit
>>104367981More thanks to UMG than Hololive.Streaming wise says differently for someone like Suisei's achievements. Should Mori go all JP for more JP crowd?Someone to look out for is Kiara. She's been improving lately with her horrible time slot.
>>104367384>History has proven Twitter freaks are the minority.Never said anything about "twitter", positive comments can be found even on youtube. Also i made some research and following this tracking:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKor7LnZf7YSeems like you would be right, but when was Mori Calliope first stream with the Holostars? 30 Aug apparently. Marine started to gain subs in a faster way from July.So yeah your point doesn't really count. Mori didn't "fall" because of Holostars. It doesn't seem to be a direct connectio, also, she did collab with them for almost 1 year, this means there were no problems for here, indeed when they stopped to collab, some months later Vesper graduated.Maybe, and i say, maybe, she actually enjoyed it, and it wasn't forced at all.Then you would say "why didn't she keep doing it with other STARS?" Simply she haven't collabed with every Stars members of Vesper's gen, so i might say she didn't want to, she doesn't care to collab with the others probably because there would be no affinity.
>>104368418Rewatch it from late July.Holostars didn't have a collab ban like usual gens.I was there. Her view count fell dramatically because of Holostars. Almost a 3 view.I was also there when Gura and Ina were on break, and they were the only ones to gain subs that month.
>>104366903Retard
>>104367612since holo talents are a bunch talentless hacks no wonder you care so much about concert productions I will never take seriously holonigs who claim that IRyS (can't belt, can't sing low, poor techniques, monotone voice, proved by 4 years of back to back bad numbers) is the best singer
>>104368672protip: when you start just lying, it kinda ruins the entire argument you were trying to build up
>>104368771be honest, did you get bored making faux effortposts and just started throwing out whatever as bait
>>104358989>5 years later, what is their legacy?Literally establishing and solidifying the stable foundation of the EN branch for future generations. Even if what is left of them isn't anything crazy, no one sane can deny them being the early and crucial pillars of the EN branch.And no, i don't believe the other EN generations could've accomplished the same thing.
>>104363891They still have a holo general there for jp...
>>104368771Name a better company.
>>104367384>>104367760I highly doubt Mori lost 10,000+ viewers who were hyper unicorn goslings when she was a loud and abrasive 4channer woman. >>104368000Most consistent Hololive hater lol
>>104369186WACTOR
>>104368672Here it is, the proof of your lies. I don't care what you "saw" or if you were there, if your reality is clearly distorted by this. Here is what you HAD to show to me, but i had to do it on my own, because i knew you had no ball and no proof to post.As you can say, she had bad views for specifics live and her Holostars live weren't so bad in terms of views overall. She didn't get any significant viewdrop from this. Case closed.
>>104369212Didn't the cursed object that Holo released destroy that already? Also, isn't it suspicious that every place that she was a part of imploded? I'm on to you Yagoo!
>>104369220I said start from late July when they debuted. They didn't have long collab bans like other gens.As your pic shows, I was right. it was early August for their first collab, not the 30th, like you said.Rewatch your video and see how the subs' growth declined from that point.
>>104369437>I said start from late July when they debuted. They didn't have long collab bans like other gens.The pic shows everything, from Late July, to Late August, and you can see, in terms of views there is no differences depending from it and you can prove from the viewcount, the Holostars collab were well recieved.> it was early August for their first collab, not the 30thYeah and the video shows how Marine was getting many and many subs that she would surpass Mori anyway, with or without the holostars. As i said before.
>>104368969>>104369186I'm being serious here. This is an example of singing low, which Mori has been known for (but mogged by Gura anyhow) and let's not even talk about the failed VSinger IRyS.https://voca.ro/1cLGqHobRGMUhttps://voca.ro/1d4tmOiflcYJhttps://voca.ro/16fkOKclGWIsGura was the best vocalist, and Saba will surpass her because of the way singers develop. Have fun rooting for a dime a dozen!
>>104358989they launched the careers of some very talented and funny ladies but also somehow fostered the absolute worst fanbase aside from kurosanji's
>>104369603I really like Saba though, this was about Myth when it was intact. IRyS is also a good streamer.
>>104369595They debuted late July, can't expect to collab before then. But I was right. They collabed early Aug, not the 30th.Marine is irrelevant. Mori's growth dramatically decreased. You have to compare the acceleration of her growth, before and after. Not those around her.Compare the average views of her vods months before and months after too. Way too many 50k, 60k vod views of 3 year old streams for a Hololive member.
>>104369808>They debuted late July, can't expect to collab before then. But I was right. They collabed early Aug, not the 30th.You never said they collabed early aug, also it's not even a point if nothing changed as i show to you, the views are the same.>Way too many 50k, 60k vod views of 3 year old streams for a Hololive member.See what streams are those, are games who always had low views compared to others, also those are series, and it may happen in series of streams to have less and less views, especially when the game isn't so interesting. Indeed the first you can see, is Va-11, in early august, which cannot reach 100k, before the collab with Vesper.Then you can see, the holostar collabs here doesn't go under 200k.You can say whatever you want, keep repeating yourself, making up bullshits, but the truth is in that pic and you're not showing anything.>Marine is irrelevant. Mori's growth dramatically decreased.You cannot say is irrelevant if her sprint started before Mori collabed with the holostars. That increase of gaining sub made her able to reach Mori. Mori wasn't slowing down as much as you want to say, she was in a decent pace.Her pace was slowed for a while between Nov 2022 and Early-Jan 2023, which is way after the first Holostars collabs. Hinting something different was going on.
>>104370125Jesus, Mori's vods load slow. That's due to it not being cached and having to be loaded onto their servers.Was going to give a list of dates. So will just say compare the months before and after.Now her Elder Rings still got the views, and especially RUST. Remember when Mori rage quit?But alas, Gura announced she was no longer playing RUST. She got reprimanded and said that she'd be too afraid of breaking the new rules without knowing.Cover turning Rust into Minecraft made it a flop. For a derby and a sheriff? Even Pekora let her base decay, with it being set longer.
>>104369603Mori isn't known for any singing in particular, but completely mogs Gura/Saba in musical recognition and accomplishment through the simple factor of actually doing shit in that direction with clear passsion and goalsmusic is a form of expression of humanity, not a rhythm game with a scoring system
>>104358989they would be below niji tier without gawr gura.
>>104370574I don't really know what you're trying to getting into with this. Because in the pic i showed, you can see how her post holostar collab didn't affect the views neither of Rust and Elden Ring, at all.
>>104370700That's what I meant; those streams still received plenty of views, unlike others. I miss RUST.I know you see the low streams and just don't want to admit it, when she rarely had such before.But it's all moot now. If you feel Mori is going to carry EN, that's fine. The pressure will fall on the new leaders, while Saba has the freedom to do what she wants, enjoying life.
Still the greatest EN gen. You just had to be there to understand, which is why adventbabies will never.
>>104369198Some people prefer streams you know.
>>104358989>5 years later, what is their legacy?Myth set the stage for idol type vtubers in the EN market when no one vtuber company was even attempting to be like Hololive. They introduced many fans to Hololive and they allowed for real growth in the EN market. When lockdowns were causing widespread depression they did help so even casual fans have fond memories of Myth.Gura is widely known as the face of the EN vtuber market and even without the lolicon stuff there is a natural charisma that few vtubers can match. I am somewhat baffled by what Saba is doing but after years of fighting with management it does make sense that she is worried about losing fans. Mori is hugely popular in terms of vtuber music and is a hard worker that often carried Myth when things got bad with management. Ame is a highly creative vtuber and was the main force behind many of the best group events in HoloEN. Kiara is closest to being an idol that understands that Hololive isn't only about entertaining but also inspiration. Ina was the artist that does want to be a vtuber but obviously never wanted to be marketed as sleazy coombait. Her default outfit is skimpy, degrading, and sexualized which is why she is cold and distant with her fans even if she doesn't take it to the same level as Kronii.
>>104359254>>104359315>NIJISEETHING
HoloMyth was The Matrix of western VTubing , A before and after
>>104358989The reason for the VTuber boom and its stagnation in the West.
>>104370642Retard
>>104367303on the flip side he gets blamed for everything
>>104372441MYTH had the best specials, mostly because of the "DIY"-ness of it. They were given handicap after handicap and they powered through that first year.That's what tourists that exhalt Advent don't understand.
>>104359702because real holochads left for greener pastures. the ones that are left behind are either phasecuck shitposters or browns that are rangebanned from the tower
>>104361599Most people wont be able to see this because they are part of it.
>>104359489Then why do I know what they all look like?
>>104358989They inspired a new generation of vtubers.Without Myth there would be no Numi. Think about that.
>>104378316because you're brown and can't respect privacy
I don’t think there’s a legacy to be made by being first served, first to dine. But if there is, it is not “they invented EN vtubbing”, interest and several Vtubers predate Myth, even some that were in Myth such as Ame and Gura. They did however inspired and gather the attention required to make a lot of Vtubers to be one. Some that existed took it more seriously, while others took advantage of it or tried to distance itself from it to create their own space. Technology went beyond and pretty much overlapped them in a matter of months. Myth mania basically revolutionized everything we know of vtubbingBasically, Myth is the IPhone, they didn’t create the concept of a smartphone or even the phone, they were just the first to be successfully popular and redefined the future of the market
>>104365165tsmt
>>104378513Some of them have irl accounts they post their faces on. Not just twitter- twitch and youtube too.
>>104366903Geniusu
>>104378720>they were just the first to be successfully popular and redefined the future of the marketLMAO. the Seethe is strong in this post. The iPhone changed a lot of conventions in communication. There weren't really any smartphones before it.
It’s funny watching ENfags act like a twelve-lane highway with a few traffic cones is the hardest road ever.
>>104359029Fpbp
>>104367303.... but Myth didn't rape any natives
>>104367384Mori is the most suscribed member of EN now, half of your statement is retarded. Are twitter troons retarded? Of course, and water is wet. But don't pretend that Mori has declined. She got her sololive. She has her rabid following. And unlike Gura, she actually put out music, and a lot of it.
>>104368771>belting is good
>>104369603Has Saba put out music? No?You're being retarded. Gura was lazy as a nusician, and Saba will be even worse.
>>104372441Everything about your post was good until>obviously never wanted to be marketed as sleazy coombait.Never change, outfitschizo. That said,>there is a natural charisma that few vtubers can match. I am somewhat baffled by what Saba is doing but after years of fighting with management it does make sense that she is worried about losing fans.This is something I do agree. Honestly, Gura should not have left. I think she could have done more at Holo had she stayed. I think her chances of making her nusic known now will be slimmer. It's a shame, really
>>104379138You're a retard. The blackberry existed before the iphone and stayed for a decent while
>>104380471>Blackberry>an Office Tool that cannot compete once the iPhone and other Smartphones appeared.you're doubling down on your stupidity.
By the way the nigga that said that IRyS song sucks is obviously the same nigga that misread the 50% YoY stat.And at the same time is some assblasted Nijisister that got laughed out of Numbers because he tried to defend Kuzuha and shit on Marine. You have spent the last few hours arguing with a real life strawman.
>>104358989Pioneering vtubing in the west
>>104359549>Still boggles my mind that Cover let the American girls goThey should have moved mountains to keep Ame there. When Ame left, Gura was right behind there. They HAD to have known that. Honestly I think it's just the retard JP business mindset where thinking outside the box is taboo to them.
>>104367384...Mori is the second biggest HoloEN at the moment in CCV only behind Biboo.
>>104380568Nah they're just twitch whores kys normalnigger
>>104380568Why try to keep someone that is so absurdly mentally ill that she nowadays keeps three different personas and streams in none of them
>>104380569prepare for the >they're bots if it's the vtuber I hate.argument.
EN had its peak with that VR chat collab. If you stopped watching after that stream you missed nothing of value
>>104359254SEAmurais and /jp/ like to larp as Ken-samas but actual Japanese people like HoloEN, so, sorry, but YWNBJ
>>104380616yeah, It's hilarious, especially with Mori.
>>104380632FWMC are treated like Gods in Japan but Rajeesh from Ontario says they're whores while watching Laplus and Akirose.
>>104380655This is when you realize that saba didn't actually like Japanese culture. She's the poser of posers.
>>104380585I mean they're keeping Goldbullet around
>>104370940>I know you see the low streams and just don't want to admit itAnon i see them, but the pic speaks for itself: those streams were low even before the Holostars collab, look ath the first VA-11-Hall-A, before the stream with Vesper, at Early August. Even Shinigami Note amd Stray got -100k and it was Late-July, so before Vesper. And i explained why it's like this: the game itself isn't so good to watch and she still made a serie about it, so the views will be lower live after live.Here this is a screenshot from June and you can see some video haven't got so many views, despite we are some month before HoloStars EN was a thing.
>>104380238>And unlike Gura, she actually put out musicRecord Label pays and handles most of it. And they also get most of the profits. Mori said herself that she makes more from Hololive.Those without a label have to pay with their own money. And rarely ever profitable.Gura explained that her rise in popularity caused all her external projects to increase costs drastically. She focused on collab covers with many other talents, including JP, instead of her own, for a while.
>>104380520You're a fucking retard - a Blackberry IS a smartphone. It predated the Iphone and was competent enough to last before Apple's minimalism and marketing got the better off it. Or are you just another Appledrone who slurps whatever dried cumstain is left off Jobs's decaying cumrag?
>>104382379>I know you see the low streams and just don't want to admit itIf going to quote me, quote the whole sentence.>>104370940>I know you see the low streams and just don't want to admit it, when she rarely had such before.You argument supports me saying, "when she rarely had such before."The difference in the number of very low VOD views before and after is huge. And you don't want to admit it.
Aside from the first 2 months or so, EN's first two years were absolute suffering. Aside from the kino holiday collabs, and GurAme, they had absolutely no chemistry with each other, and their solo streams weren't much better.
>>104358989pain and bitterness
>>104382885>Record Label pays and handles most of it. And they also get most of the profits. Mori said herself that she makes more from Hololive.You know that's not excuse because she did those things before her label and debuted with an EP.
>>104382885She had to abandon some due to costs. But Gura also started pumping out 3D Lives. She did three before NijiEN did one. Busy shork. They were like mini-albums, but they were not released separately.
>>104383264Stand corrected.First one without the label had the most soul.
>>104382886And even if you ignore the BlackBerries, there were also the PDAs running Windows CE, the Symbian S60 Nokias, the PalmOS devices, etc.
>>104383139>If going to quote me, quote the whole sentence.The whole sentence was already answered in the pic from June i posted.Like you can see even before the Holostars Collab, or even before Holostars EN was thing, she had some VOD with lower views, even below 100k. See [Manga Reading]. This, as i said before, it's because some content may not be good for views. You aren't showing any proof to relate her low views with the Holostars Collabs. You're just talking, while i keep proving you the opposite by showing you the views.The more you go back, more it will be difficult to find -100k views just because older videos may have more views then new ones, for different reasons, and it may just because an old video will just keep getting views from new viewers.You''re even ignoring things like new gen debuting, like Mori viewers would have gone to the the newer gen, like Promise, and so they would not have been able to watch Mori as before, because there are other things to watch.
>>104359061I remember /jp/ having containment threads for vtubers for a long while. Then it suddenly stopped and it just flooded that board.That's probably why /vt/ was made
>>104358989forgotten
>>104358989Destroyed Vtubing. Spawned the retards that think Men aren't in girls lives.
