they don't spend all their money on failed metaverse projects or m*les

>>105098114
same reason nijisanji is still around despite irrelevance

>>105098170
what reason is that?

>>105098179
Talent prostitution on the side.

>>105098114
>Phase Connect can afford all of these new gens?


but only origins have 3D

>>105098158
They don't spend it on the girls either

>teasing october 2025 at the very end of september
>no specific date
who the fuck does this

>>105098114
fishy jinping made a few million off a crypto rugpull
this is the "fintech innovation" phasefags always talk about

phase probably has more fan engagement than other companies because their talent isn't fucking boring

There is A LOT of money in the top percentiles of streaming. Like, if Kson could miss on a ferrari worth of money and not be worried, there is a lot of money going around.

>>105098114
Vshojo 2.0

Also aren't they getting fucked by tariffs for merch sales currently? The girls are probably getting scammed. Pippa seems very much like the type who would get scammed.

>>105098114
phase quest gen got a gud ROI

>>105098114
Low management overhead means they can operate closer to something like a Twitch group

>>105098114
>afford all of these new gens
vtubers dont cost money

>>105098315
>fan engagement
What does that mean?

>>105098114
>There is no way that they make that much money.
that's why you're poor, and confused.

>>105098615
Ah yes, vtuber models are notorious for how cheap they are.

>>105099137
they're a few thousand dollars retard

>>105099137
Infinitely cheaper than hiring a single employee for a year.

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>>105099111
>>fan engagement
>What does that mean?

>>105099111
their fans are engaged in harassing other vtubers on twitter instead of watching phase streams

>>105098204
Roll the Freaklira clip.

>>105099289
Other vtubers? I thought they were currently harassing one of their own.

>>105099289
I saw they are very engaged on youtube comments, reddit, kiwifarms, /here/ and twitter. Anywhere
With that amount of engagement, you would expect bigger numbers from them, but only a couple members are 4 views, the rest are 3views.

>>105099230
So they can afford to invest 15K in vtuber models every year? Good for them, I guess.

>>105099400
What kind of business can't afford 15k a year?

>>105099440
Nijisanji. There's no way they invest that much in one vtuber.

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>>105098170
Nijisanji is still huge as fuck in Japan, landing more collabs than Hololive.

>>105099703
2% off

>>105099255
What kind of comparison is this?
Are you saying Phase doesn't give health care for their vtubers?
Let's ignore the vtuber model, since that's cheap apparently, do they not get a debut budget? What about different outfits?

>>105099726
>>105098221

>>105099741
To be fair, making a 3D model is cheaper than making a good Live2D one.
The biggest cost is having the tracking equipment.

>>105099726
they have a small debut budget
it's a few thousand dollars to debut a vtuber and then there's no real fees going foward

>>105098114
Phase is a merch company now. That's where practically all of their money comes from and what everything the company does is motivated by. If it doesn't sell merch or give an excuse to produce more of it then the company probably won't bother with it.
>Debuting new talents
New characters to put on merch, more birthdays/anniversaries to celebrate with merch drops.
>Company events
Merch drops.
>Giving talents new outfits
Merch drops.
>Covers/originals
They're starting to do merch drops with these now too.
>Attending conventions
Merch drops (and also an outlet to sell tons of merch physically).
>Weekly news show
Practically exists purely as a reminder to buy merch, never has any actual news and the clip segment is only there to pad it out.
Ever noticed how practically all of the interesting or unique content that comes from Phase is fully talent driven and self-funded with basically no help from the company? This is why.

>>105098114
3 2views did a fundraiser the other day and made $20k in 3 days, so Phase must be making quite a lot of more than that with a bunch of 3views streamers. Also these companies pay their employees based on %. Usually they take like 50-70% of what the vtuber makes, so essentially they can keep hiring to infinity and beyond. It makes no difference. It's not like Phase invests a lot in their Vtubers like Cover does with Hololive with concerts and stuff.

>>105098114
A mixture of money grubbing like Nijisanji and financial shell games like Vshojo.

>>105099818
Anon this is literally every corp

>>105099818
How good is Phase on actually delivering?

>>105099818
>Practically exists purely as a reminder to buy merch,
Anon they all do that
Concerts only exist to sell merch, too. They make far more off of merch for concerts than actual tickets.

>>105099955
Phase has actually been doing con concerts pretty regularly nowadays, and actually usually does some solid bit of extra stuff of the end of the year holidays too.
not saying they blow the biggest budget ever on either but its certainly costing something for sure.

also they hang out in person pretty regularly for company related stuff (even if said thing is literally sometimes just messing around in the warehouse lol), and apparently make Sakana pay for a boatload of that, which again while maybe not the most massive of costs is still extra costs.

>>105099818
>merch company
>the company that notoriously takes half a year to even ship any merch
>all the merch is keychains and coffee mugs

They don't support their talents
the whores who want to sign still waiting for 3d after 3 years

>>105100318
I just dont think alot of them want it.

does bring up the question of why Yuu has a new outfit coming up soon enough to admit to though. wonder if she just wanted it enough to haggle for it sooner, or if theres just an issue with her artist forcing them to speed up a change(which a feel like wouldn't be the case, considering that wouldn't mean they HAVE to get a new one now, only go with someone different when they do)

Views arent that important as long as you have whales, Airi is usually 3view but gets a shitload of money from consistent whales.

>>105098158
>or m*les
clio

>>105100000
checked
not at all

>>105100000
people DO seem to actually receive their merch and trust it WILL show up.
just.... not soon... at all...

>>105099726
>Are you saying Phase doesn't give health care for their vtubers?
...why would they?

>>105099726
I shit you not, the salaries for whatever white collar employees are working for phase behind the scenes is the biggest overhead expense to the point all the shit you're talking about is trivial pocket change for any company.

Clio is making 20k USD a month from stream/merch/sponsors and she isn't even the biggest in the company

>>105101015
did you make that up or is there a source on that?

>>105100973
Sounds like VShojo.

>>105099955
can't remember the last time someone from Phase did a donothon

>>105100000
I bought merch 9 months ago and haven't gotten it.

>>105101050
She mentioned that she was making 4x as much as she did pre-phase and in the past she had said she made around 5k USD
That plus she mentioned getting more and more 5 figure sponsor offers (the Mecha Break one was apparently over 20k)

>>105100588
>>105100635
>>105101091
This all sounds horribly familiar

>>105101124
and that's normal for most members or is she an exception?
I'm thinking back to the kiara/cc collab where kiara suggested splitting a 3k maldives vacation bill with her and cc sounded hesitant about the price. You're telling me phase pays its talents more than holo does with a fraction of the viewership?

>>105101163
honestly yeah its bad.
but it also seems to be the norm. probably just comes with the territory of basically every set being a limited time custom run made overseas.

i mean, and while covid did do alot of damage there, i once worked for single shop manufacturing company working for some pretty large names (Albeit government ones() that was literally had over a years backlog of things to produce.
both Phase and their supplier both will just keep taking on more work with seemingly insane backlogs so long as they feel they can keep getting away with it. its just how alot of companies operate.

>>105101015
>she

>>105098529
Phase has over a dozen managers and support staff now
Some of them even fly out personally to handhold talents, like preparing Pippa for international travel for the first time, getting her passport, tickets bought, even packing.

>>105098114
4views:
Pippa
Uruka
Tenma
Shiina
Panko
Rie
Lumi
Mari
Clio

That's enough

>>105098114
fishman cuts costs by doing most stuff himself

I think we glossed over the claims of how much the phase girls are being paid
does muyu get paid a lot? does jelly or shiina? because if the pay is that good I totally understand why a new gen would want to join now

>>105102342
There's a decent chunk of the girls who need side jobs to make do.

>>105102392
goddamnit this is like the shit over whether invaders own their IP or not. there's two completely contradictory sides and no one can give a straight answer over what the fuck they do over there.

>>105102457
You can never really know until a company collapses like VShojo and you get to hear all the hidden details. Until then everyone's incentivized to make things seem as good as possible.

>>105098114
>There is no way that they make that much money.
Yes, they do. Next thread please.

>>105102392
>>105102457
>>105102342
Off the top of my head:

Airi lives with her mother and seems to partially support her and another family member working her day job
Shiina lives with her sister and does this full time
Jelly and Wemi live in Indonesia and they make far more than the average wage
Hime comes from a rich family and has a part time job
Dizzy and Ember stream without a second job now
Erina and Panko live with their parents still and I believe Panko said at one point she makes more money than her father
Runie has a career with her master's and streaming is something she enjoys

>>105103397
sounds like they're not struggling. that's good I suppose.

>>105098114
I'm mostly surprised that they want more talents when they mostly cannibalize each other's CCV than bring in new viewers. You could argue in favor of Invaders because that's already 3 established girls and their fanbases joining. New IDs have to fight for scraps

>>105098114
Phase sweep

>>105102457
From what we know, the answer is yes and no.
Phase owns the phase model and any rights to merch and the like with that design.
The invader owns her IP and any models from before phase, as well as the rights to things created with those models. If Mari leaves phase she will still be Mari, unlike if Airi leaves phase she won’t be Airi anymore.

>>105102342
Muyu lives in a 3rd world country. If she gets paid canadian cukbux she'd be set for life

>>105103826
>The invader owns her IP and any models from before phase, as well as the rights to things created with those models.
*cough*Yuri*cough*

It's October you piece of shit fish. Where's the fucking debut date?

>>105100558
She's a biofem but like a retard took pooner pills to help her in sports. So now she sounds like a Troon forever

>>105103840
Yuri was one of the first two invaders and had a different contract. This was before they had things *figured out* in the same way they do now after 3 iterations of invaders.

>>105103847
I think this board is retarded because she sounds like a woman I know irl
Some women just have deeper voices even if they're biofem

>>105104058
The steroids thing is true though
But the small cute feet disprove any of the transllegations

>>105104103
I mean I'd believe it but I'm just saying that This board always thinks that if a girl does not sound like your typical like high schooler, they're trans.
The best woman I ever worked with is a 6'0 tall burly Irish woman with a voice that sounds gravely as hell from decades of smoking. But damn can she cook some mean hash browns

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>>105103708
fishman wants them to fight each other so that a purified idol can rise out of the remains

>>105098226
>new generation debuting
>they don't spend it on girls
^retard of the year award

Remember to listen to one step march

>>105098221
So? Having a 3D model does not equate with being successful, who even thinks like that? Retards?

>>105098114
>or have very low ccv.
I remember when gen 2 debuted everyone was in a ballpark of 300-400 ccv, only Pippa was doing numbers. Tenma getting over 1k ccv for the first time with raids was a big fucking deal at the time. Now many phasers get over 1k constantly. Phase has grown a lot.

>>105098114
You have no idea how much money you can make on coffee.

>>105103708
The girls share less of an audience than you think
It seems like the average viewer usually watches 3 or 4 girls and they are typically ones who interact with each other a lot

>>105104495
There's a reason why a ton of influencers have launched their own line of coffee
The margins are pretty good an tons of people drink coffee

Fish also gets a deal on coffee because one of his college friends is a fucking roaster and bean importer
Coffee literally pays for Phase

>>105104638
Fish gets a good deal because he buys shit coffee and sells it at a higher price. He's not buying it fresh from a roaster

>>105098114
Twitch and Youtube make way more money than you realize.

Also Merch and overpriced coffee. But why do you care?

>>105103397
Ember Seems to live with her mother too, but a recent stream she mentioned that she might pick up something extra for a little more wiggle room.

>>105098114
The bubble will burst soon

>Debuting an entire new wave to deflect from the Clara yab
Clara must have some prime pussy to have fishman defend her like this.

>>105103826
Pippa has said theoretically if she had enough money she could buy her IP.

>>105105885
Likely tbdesu. The way this thread has explained how they make money reminds me a lot of vshojo
>vshojo makes all their money from backpacks and gunrun is a genius level marketer
>vshojo does a lot of merch it just takes a long time to arrive
>phase makes all their money through coffee and fishman is a genius level marketer
>phase makes a lot of merch it just takes 9+ months to arrive!
Fool me once

>>105104026
Lumi has also said the contracts vary. I have a feeling that Yuri had to use her model as collateral to get in, and there's also that issue of her actually violating her contract and then refusing to cooperate afterwards.

Was Phase wrong in the way it was handled? Maybe, but it was a definate contract violation that got her terminated.

>>105098204
But enough about Hololive

>>105105905
>Rent free.

Gen 4 was planned for a year or more undoubtedly, it wasn't like this was done in a matter of weeks.

>>105104200
Troon hunters have never gotten out of the house and talked to women to actually know what they sound like.

Tall bitches are going to typically have a midrange voice, its just basic anatomy.

>>105106059
I honestly think that you're not wrong. Literally like any tall girl that I've ever met has had a deep voice. Or at least a deeper voice .

>>105098114
Any big names in this gen or is just your normal literal whos that got lucky in the audition?

>afford
The CEO is pretty well off from previous tech ventures
He runs the company basically for fun with the hopes of it being profitable but has no real concern about running it in the red
Coffee is a meme and has insane returns
He coerces talents to process merch orders in his warehouse instead of using a 3PL

>>105106120
Its not an invader gen, there's no reason to expect anyone big since its all new IP.

>>105098114
The great thing about Phase is that streamers are still approachable. You can be a fucking gray, chat, and the girl replies to you almost like having a conversation.

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>>105099111
Just check out Clara's latest replies, plenty of engagement

>>105106543
lmao deserved

>>105106543
The phase fanbase is so supportive of its vtubers.

>>105106322
This worked for PixelLink until their founder up and started dying out of nowhere

>>105106543
>>105106565
>>105106589
I bet you none of these fags watch phase, or at best, they watch only Pippa.
I bet they also browse tva and or kiwifarms.

>>105106322
People thought the same of vshojo and look how that turned out and they had more popular streamers. They are no doubt fucked by tariffs too. I do expect an implosion.

>>105105937
Yep.

>>105106632
yeah, but Phase is an actual corpo and ran like a corpo
Vshojo was not, and had no actual way to really make money
people have been saying phase will die since they first started, and yet it keeps on living

>>105106672
>people have been saying vshojo will die since they first started, and yet it keeps on living

>>105106097
>>105106059
She isn’t tall, or at least her feet don’t invoke that impression

>>105106543
Merited based on what she said

>>105106632
>They are no doubt fucked by tariffs too.
I doubt most of their profits come from merch, so I don't see how that matters.

>>105106543
>sep 11th
ancient history by twitter standards

>>105099111
There's a ton of artists, clippers, programmers making content all the time. It's pretty comfy being at the top.

>>105107768
there's not nearly the amount of animations and fanart for phase as there is for holo though. I've seen fanmade 3D models made for justice before they even got their official 3D models. meanwhile some phase members don't even have koikatsu cards, and I could count the amount of phase animations I've seen on one hand.

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>>105098114
Vshojo simply lost... and now the schizos want to see Phase fail too, except Phase has always kept the money flowing, and Fish has mentioned this since 2022, "any indie that wants to join a corporation, make sure you know there's money flowing, and they don't miss payments"

>>105108423
Vshojo was literally advertising until the last minute

>>105098204
People seem to underestimate how much a 3 view can make. Most streamers can't even pass the 1 view number

>>105109393
>People seem to underestimate how much a 3 view can make
yet phasefag spam homostar for 3view

>>105101071
Management doesn't like them so if someone wants to do it they have to justify it and lay out a plan for rewards and how it'll run instead of getting pushed into doing it like in a lot of microcorps

>>105098114
Talents prostitution on the side.

>>105102457
As a rule of thumb the girls living in Californian cities usually have second jobs, the people living anywhere else are usually streaming full time but income fluctuates greatly between talents even if their ccvs are similar because some are just better at monetising themselves
I believe the JPs mostly have second jobs too but their viewership is a lot lower

>>105098315
People might make fun of you or call you a retard, but you're right. Nothing puts me to sleep faster than if the streamer I'm watching isn't actively cucking me. Thankfully Phase Connect has a full roster of "exciting" talents

>>105098114
Fish was already loaded and he's fine with the business barely breaking even at this point. Everyone's fine with slow growth and slow buiildup to the 3D and music stuff. They don't waste their time
splitting the fanbase with males, and the only regular source of drama is Pippa and her retarded 2019fag /pol/ era fanbase.

>>105105937
>vshojo 0% stream cuts, lol, lmao merch cuts, large support team on salaries, American labor laws, "family" work culture
>talents not getting paid for months and staying quiet about it, low talent retention rate
>phase 50% stream cuts, variable merch cuts, small support team on salaries, Canadian labor laws, professional work culture
>talents casually saying Phase has never missed a payment and that cuts are all reasonable and well justified, highest talent retention rate in the industry
They're really not even comparable

>>105106543
>9/11
reminds me of that tragedy

>>105110853
>50% stream cuts
Would be something but seeing as a good portion of the phase girls are 3 views with a very small amount of support that's not really saying much.
>Variable merch cuts
Sure sounds like another vtubing company that just recently went bankrupt

Also for 3 years the only people who left vshojo were two girls who left to be with their boyfriends and then jumped in on the vshojo hate train to get views, then proceeded to go back to not streaming. A girl who accused the company of not promoting her enough when she wasn't streaming and a menhera that got kicked out of Hololive.
It wasn't until 2025 that anything about the company missing payments even came out. Several of the people in vshojo were still singing its praises because they had been living large for the past few years and couldn't believe that the company had changed

>>105104495
The entirety of phase connect is the holoearth to fish man's coffee business.

>>105098114
Its simple. Beloved by everybody. Other small corpos are seething

>>105098114
They're operating at a loss

>>105107861
>meanwhile some phase members don't even have koikatsu cards, and I could count the amount of phase animations I've seen on one hand.
The saddest part desu.

>>105111282
Let's not forget that gunrun also nepohired a bunch of friends on high salaries, got an expensive office and al the other frivolous crap.

>>105098114
CCP money

The answer is that it just works, and I’m not going to question it until it doesn’t just work

>>105098114
ccp and russian money laundering through coffee sales
everybody knows phase is a psyop on the west

>>105111282
Cope as fuck response bro, just because you were retarded enough to not see how vshojo was blatantly unprofitable and never going to be profitable doesn't mean it was the same for everyone else. Phase has zero (0) of the same circumstances
The only thing the two companies had in common was being privately owned vtuber companies, you're just talking out your ass

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>>105098114
Phase talents don't take things for granted. Those who are busy with school, another job, or health issues know their limitations and take a back seat, others are free to stream as much or as little as they want.
Pippa is very consistent streaming at the same time 5 days of the week, and she's been doing that for years. Lumi refreshes her outfits every time she's able to, often streaming every single day of the week. Clio is a powerhouse streaming 10 hours per day on average. Rie and Eimi release cover songs left and right. Runie plans entire months of streams. They just love doing their stuff.

>>105114852
It seems like more cope to go
>nahhhh they're totally not the same because you see fishman takes 50% of the cuts from streamers that hardly make money and they have lots of merchandise they're peddling unlike vshojo which also had a lot of merchandise they were peddling!

>>105106565
>>105106767
holy newfag
actual 4chan tourists wtf?

>>105115363
Vshojo ran off of venture capital shekels, Phase was seeded by fish and the co-founder themselves.
You have to make at least some money in that kind of situation and many of these girls wouldn't be able to live with no pay for months on end.

>>105098114
>afford gens
Don't they all go into debt themselves just to get their foot into the door while the actual company just slaps their name brand on them

>>105116052
According to literally everyone, the people who were behind vshojo were rich.

>>105107861
I think I've seen more animations from Neuro-sama than from all of Phase.

>>105107861
They're in that gap where they're not big enough for artists to use for self promotion but not small enough to be groomed, it's always funny to see a vtuber's creative fans disappear when they cross that 100 ccv line

>>105110282
The only people on this board that can't get homostars out of their mind is /#/

>>105098114
>4 years
>4 original generations
>3 invader generations
>1 japanese generation
>PhaseCon
and yet they don't really have any presence anywhere. but muh offkai. yeah those 6k people that attend sure do make the numbers. literally not even half of what the average holo gets on a wednesday night

>>105114994
It's just a shame that Runie is such a numberfag makes it hard to enjoy the stand

>>105098114

Coffee.

>>105114322
That's bullshit but I believe it.

>>105098114
Sakana is an autist who talked with vtuber CEOs and when they said they ran a vtuber company he thought they were serious and actually started a vtuber company and ran it like an actual business instead of a scam like all the others that go tits up.