>doesnt collab with her gen outside of events>barely streams, when she does, its an unarchived karaoke>hits 10k every karaoke like a queen>meanwhile, shiori cant pull 3k unless its a popular gamethis isnt a shiori hate post, this is a genuine question. does liz have more success because she loves to sing and the people who watch hololive are more attracted to singers? nerissa is also huge without a jp audience because she used to do karaokes. gura was also absolutely massive because of her karaoke.
>>105098166erb lucked out and stole mori's tourist fanbase by pandering to the same niche, shiori squandered her own niche
>>105098205i think shiori fumbled the bag at the start because of the overwhelming amount of porn created before she debuted. she kept trying to be a weird quirky girl who ate with scissors but she ended up coming off as awkward.
>>105098166As much as this place might hate her, she's genuinely a great singer so it shouldn't be a surprise she can do well with karaokes.
>>105098166/vt/ can't comprehend that there exists an audience for karaokes only, for them if a chuuba doesn't play games every other day she's a lazy whore
>>105098166I love her karaoke. For Shiori, I stand by that she's by far the worst background streamer in HoloEN. She does so many visual gags that you need to actively watch her, which can be a tough commitment when the other girls are better second monitor content.
>>105098166Quality not quantity
>>105098431explain gigi murins low sub numbers
>>105098448>GigiYou mean Ceci who's now the lowest Justice member by subs
>>105098476CC euro panders. There's not much growth in that market.
>Shiori caring about her CCVLol
>>105098611Yeah we get it S-team you faggots fucked her over with the damage control
>>105098166>barely streams, when she does, its an unarchived karaokeThat's the key to the whole thing.Scarcity creates demand.
>10k is considered superb by modern HoloEN standardslollmao even
Damn, that's quite a bit of supas for a 1.5 hr stream.
>>105099322>ScarcityShe did 34 of the damn things in her first year, that's basically 1 every 10 days, this doesn't even include rebroadcasts.
>>105099398Yeah but she did basically nothing but that, just being in Hololive and a good singer will make people want to watch anything where you will sing.Combine that with barely any actual streams and people WILL watch your karaoke streams.
>>105099355It only takes 15k to mog ALL of Saba's August and September streams. Which almost all ENs managed.
She had 3rd most viewers during peak JP streaming time. The first being MiComet 3D outfit reveal, the 2nd being Koyori Baseball.
>>105099577Gura's stream numbers were never anything obscene, though. Her vod views always exploded afterwards, like they're still doing.
>>105099828>lyingGura had a 20K floor
>>105098166>literally Nerrisa but British. And a whore.Same as with the twins, she's double-dipping fanbases.
>>105098166Liz has a strong following cause she is exactly what she advertised herself to be day one. She's a singer, an extremely talented one, and her collabs are usually pretty good. She's a people person, which makes her more relatable to an audience. As for Shiori, her interest and game choices have always been fairly niche, so that doesn't bring in as many viewers. She can also come off as a little odd, but she does well bouncing off the other girls in collabs, namely her gen mates.
>>105098166Shiori is so obviously a cucktuber that you have to be a real normalfag to not see it.
>>105098166Liz was honest from the start. Shiori cultivated a cuck audience with kisses and "I love you's", then rugpulled them with a surprise Jurard collab. If you know anything about her past, she fucking loves NTR, and she probably gets off every night to the fact that she was able to completely manipulate her audience like that. She doesn't care about numbers; she just wants to coast by while living out her NTR fantasies.
I can't even watch her even if I wanted to. She either streams her homo orgy role playing on twitch or streams unarchived karaoke
it's simple enough. erb and shiori are both trash that should have never passed the auditions. erb gets the barely-streams buff. if she streamed as much as shiori her numbers would be just as low.
>>105098205Fippy bippy
>>105099577non of them manage without multiple raids*
>>105104188If you can't watch her how do you know what her RP is like? This isn't a twitch thing either, she puts the vods on YT.
>>105098166Why are we pretending that karaokes aren't the most watched streams for any holo that does them? 10k for them isn't all that impressive. You guys vastly overrate her singing too. She has a polarizing style, because once she learned how to belt, she let it dominate her singing.
>>105105477NTA but you don't need to watch an entire vod to see the title of a stream and know you aren't going to like the content because it has dudes in it.
>>105105498Karaokes stop being special once they become 80% of your content
>>105102071Shiori also constantly flipflops on her image and the expectations for her content, it comes across as more genuine when people are consistent, it gives the impression of honest and not flaky, and let’s be honest, Shiori never sticks to one thing except for lusting after hot guys… it is so late in her career now that she can’t change her image, and unfortunately, she didn’t take constructive criticism well and improve/change while she could, now is forever a stain on the brand, while ERB is controversial, but at least was very sincere about her dreams at the beginning
>>105105593It feels backwards to be looking at ERB's content if the possibility of dudes being in content is enough to ruin your enjoyment.
>>105098166I thought the youtube algorithm promoted karaoke's?
>>105098166I appreciate ERB’s honestly and she seems like s good person, unlike Shiori, and it isn’t just her dark character design that gives a bad impression… in fact, she should have an advantage over ERB because her model looks better objectively, but ERB has a better personality and is a better streamer
>>105105911There's a reason why the Hololive girls have a massive fanbase and the homos barely get a fraction of it
>>105106004ERB can carry a coversation in a collab without killing the mood or making it awkward
>>105105940I know that used to be true for shorts. Not idea about karaokes. I have never been recommended a live karaoke outside the channels I'm subscribed to
>>105106056(me)*No idea about karaokes
>>105105498>10k isn't all that impressiveCorrect me if I'm wrong here but looking back at Shiori's last 2 karaokes this year, neither got past 6k.
>>105106245It's almost like Shiori can't sing
Reading these comments, it suddenly occurs to me that the kind of things we talk about here - comparing concurrent viewers, ranking the girls based on sub count, constantly calling the stars "homos", talking about what we hate about one holomem or another - that the girls would actually all hate us? Like we are the type of people they would all detest, even FWMC and the ones who pander to it. What even is the point of any of this?
>>105106593You did it anon.You figured it out, you are one step closer to being able to actually enjoy streams.None of what happens /here/ actually matters and it's mainly just schizos screeching at each other.
>>105106650 (Me)Except for the calling the stars homos part*The girls probably do that too, even the ones that actually Collab with them, hell, some probably call them homos to their faces.I mean, have you seen how gay they are sometimes?
>>105106593I don’t care about numbers, but why Shiori is so unlikable is a topic for discussion, what went wrong… and honestly, I do not care if they would like me, they are streamers/mere characters on a screen, caring is parasocial af
>>105098166I wouldn't collab with those freaks either
>>105106593Farming engagement for rageposts on Twitter. Encouraging this talk to the point where it breaks containment and the girls have reasons to put up walls between them and fans.
>>105106650>”schizos”number one way of marginalizing people’s opinions = make their opinions invalid by calling them mentally ill
>>105106593the point is that people still actively engaging in this are -genuinely- mentally ill and too addicted to shit flinging to stop. Also plenty hate the majority of these vtubers outside of a few specific ones (that they might still decide they hate on a dime if they say the wrong thing)
>>105098166She's normalfag bait
>>105106746>S-team trying to keep people from expressing opinionsif you don’t like it, why don’t you go to your safe, happy echo chamber and let us complain about things we don’t like? go to the holoplus app ffs
>>105106840I'm not trying to stop you dude, I couldn't even if I cared to.
>>105106840additionally>holoplusI'm not that kind of holo watcher either
>>105106043no she cant lol, shes autistic. her and nerissas collabs have been very hard to watch because erb doesnt know how to talk to people.
>>105098166She doesn't have a dubious history like Shiori
>>105107039In every stream I have seen, she is fairly competent.
>>105098166Her singing is beyond mediocre, people need to get their ears checked if they think belting makes a good singer
>>105107649Unfortunately plenty of retards think that belting = good singing
>>105098166>Nerissa >Karaoke and ERB barely gets 6k on her recycled slop
>>105098166I wish we could go back to the times before her 3d debut when I and everyone else had completely forgotten about this shitter. She's the biggest waste of a slot since Sana.
>>105107308>retired in '21>joined holo in '23wth was she doing for those two years?>>105107649>>105107724Going to have to send this memo to Nerissa. She's one of ERB's biggest fans for some reason.
>>105108192She had a 12k peak during JP prime time over FBK and Korone. There was also a MiComet outfit reveal with 65k going on. But whatever keeps you sleeping at night.
>>105105498>his oshi can't beltSorry bro
>>105098166>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGDznl7PAFIBut ERB is love? Hearing her sing just makes my day better, for all we know she's preparing her 3d debut and will be releasing a shitton of banger solo songs. Her Die With A Smile duo with Mint just makes me shed tears, its so fucking good.
>>105109094I prefer it that way. Belting is too often used as a crutch by mediocre singers who have poor vocal control.
>>105109112talent > dramaThat's why I started watching streams rather than listening to you fuckers. vtubing is actually so much fun when you're not lurking here.
>>105109213The best voices use a mixture of techniques imo, unpopular opinion, but I think Gura was too reliant on vocal runs, too. A lot of people use techniques and they become a crutch because they are so often used that the singer doesn’t sound original, they sound like every other person who belts a lot or does riffs/runs constantly
>>105107649Everyone other than you special people acknowledges her as one of the best singers in Holo. It must be mentally exhausting reading all the praise, even those from first time JP viewers, she gets every time she sings.
>>105108700She didnt retire "go to sleep" until Spring of 2023
>>105109595You act like JP viewers have a better opinion kek
>>105106684>The girls probably do that too, even the ones that actually Collab with them, hell, some probably call them homos to their faces.its not probablyOllie tries to get the guys to kiss and Shiori talks about them having sex with each other and calls them gay. ERB is the only one I havent her say anything like those two.
If we are talking about streaming content/creativity, ERB is definitely mediocre by Holo standards. But to say her singing is average when its her main draw is beyond delusional. Just look the reception she got for her Stellar Stellar performance, from both EN and JP fans alike.
>>105098252Did she drop that scissors thing? Haven't heard about that in ages.
>>105110019Yeah, I did some further research. Found out she made a second channel likely due to how the original one was setup.
>>105106593This shit is just powerscaling
>>105110147ERB's Stellar Stellar was insane! Honestly can't wait for all of HoloJP to see her perform at HoloFes.
>>105110147Mumei sang it better and she didn't even use her full power
>>105110159Most of the things she mentioned in debut were all window dressing that she didn’t actually have an interest in
>>105114233doesn't she actually play valorant for fun though?
>>105098395thisgaming streams get pretty boring after a while, especially if the chuuba in question isn't a zatsu god whilst playingkaraoke never gets old, there are millions of songs to sing
>>105106593Congrats, you've figured it out. >>105106741Case in point, one of the schizos.
>>105114550they were talking about Shiori, ERB does play valorant for fun and so did Haachama at some point.
>>105098166Shiori's lust after hot dudes turns me off less than ERB does, which is weird since ERB actually collabs with guys on a regular basis. Shiori's yuribait with Nerissa seemed awkward at least at first too, it felt she didn't want to do it. Maybe that's changed. ERB was yuribaiting day one
>>105098555Why do euros hate vtubers so much anyway?
