Is any of them ever going to hit 1m?
>>105127688*spits a loogey full of snot on OP**pisses and cums all over OP*
>>105127688I like raora :)
>>105127688>Why are they so unremarkable?they're not. Except ERB.>Is any of them ever going to hit 1m?probably not
Myth and advent had golden eggs, it makes sense that the following generations had to debut on their long shadows.
>>105127688MLP/homo unityRabid zoomie fujoshitGerman Hard ESL
>>105127688Are you ever going to stop being retarded?
>>105127688>boring bitch literally held up by SHE LIEKS DA BOIZ>annoying lesbian who brought over other retards pretending to be gay from DA BOIZ to the main EN branch to shit it up too>Held down by gigi>Nijisis Consuela3 charisma blackholes and an actual good talent who is held down by the orange retard.
Realistically ERB is the only one who pulls people from outside the current fan pool so if they shorts spam / interact outside of holo they would have the best chance probably.I know VT likes GG/CC but thats the issue, they've got their fanbase already. They make holo content for holo fans, but they basically have the numbers they're gonna have with that so its either break out of the current fan pool or try and pull from the other holo fan pools.
If numbers matter so much over entertainment, maybe you should be looking to watch someone like FWMC, unless you're talking CCV.Personally I won't ever watch or sub to ERB, and Raora is a bit too bimbo for me, but GG and CC are really good.
>>105127953>They make holo content for holo fans,lol, lmao even.
>>105127953>they should stop doing content that made hololive what it is today, and risk losing the dedicated fans they already have to chase after an audience that might not even existFantastic plan.
>>105127688EN vtubing in general is dying. Don't be fooled by the numbers of the botted ones. You know who they are.
>>105128122Yeah, that's how the line goes up.
>>105128130advent?
>>105127688Did you know that CC is the only member in the entirely of HoloEN that doesn't have a single video with over 1mil views?Yes, even including(for herself) or excluding(for everyone else) shorts.If you don't believe me, check for yourself.
>>105128217CC is for refined tastes only
>>105128217Did you know that you're a faggot?
>>105127688Anon, it's 2025. VTubers outside of JP are no longer capable of reaching such numbers.
>>105127915hey okabe
>>105128217They should've put her friend in, the nina girl
>>105127688Held back by Gigi, ERB and Raora.
>>105127688Weeks of animalistic mating with Raora
>>1051276883 of them are from Europe which is already a disaster because Europoor.
>>105128475Perfect niji cocksleeve
>>105128441She's boring.
>>105127834>>105127915>>105128574obsessed with males
>>105127810>and adventeh not really, if you divide the dogs by 2 then no one in advent really has gotten over a million yet as well.
The only thing CC and GG need is viral traction and don't fucking jab, the talent and creativity is there for sure and with a bit of marketing and luck they could get 1m in a few months even, like how it happened to Raden. But they barely do shorts so they ain't gonna go viral and will keep growing slowly but steady, assuming they keep streaming and don't do a FWMC or a Gura of course.ERB will be gigarunt tier by next year and Raora should break 1m by then.
>>105128624Do you not know?
>>105128624Yeah, most of that gen is. Probably a part of their number problems.
>>105128708>>105128710go touch some grass
>>105128650The market is oversaturated at this point and anyone who wants to watch/has any interest in vtubers are probably already watching someone. At this point the only was to gain "massive" numbers is to appeal to other demographics and im gonna be honest id rather they have lower subs than draw in a bunch of normie/tourists into the hobby.
>>105127688Gigi and Cei have such annoying voices I don't know how people can stand them. Raora is at least somewhat cute even if she sounds like she smokes 2 packs a day and is 60 years old grandma.
>>105127688post tits
>>>/vt/numbersYou ugly piece of shithttps://warosu.org/vt/image/_xABSNwYFv9kVFMKrT6CeQfiltered
>>105128594So is CC.
>>105128731If people do that it's really gonna hurt their viewership
>>105128783Trying to attract new demographics is a viable tactic for sure but not the only one, however it doesn't contradict anything I said, hell, in fact one of the goals that Raden accomplished with her shorts is exactly that, expanding her market to a different demographic and it happened by pure coincidence hence why having some luck and doing a bit of viral content is the way to go.Now, the thing is steady and slow growth is by no means a negative because you should never, ever, focus on chasing the algorithm for that viral lucky hit but you shouldn't neglect it either, making barely any shorts is also a big mistake and will purposefully hurt the talent's numbers.As for the market being saturated, I do believe so too but have no ways to prove that statement wrong or right, so I'll not address it.
>>105129085No you retard, becauset despite ERB collabing with males, she still has most of the subs and her viewership isn't so bad compared to her genmates. If you see, sometimes she even does better then them.You cannot do "correlation = causation" and projecting your homo hating.
>>105127688because theyre all boringbecause theyre all annoyingbecause they have typical EN brainbecause compared to JPs they dont sound cute while 40(especially raora and her 60yo crackwhore voice)
>>105128646>if you divide the dogs by 2And what kind of retard would do this other than ridiculous antis?
4th Gen.People allrdy have their Oshi´s from period Gens. >WhY aRe ThE nUmBeRs LoWeR Kill urself faggot OP .
>>105128646>if you divide the dogs by 2
>>105127688none of them is cute/thread
Raora is a good talent but the accent debuff is too muchGigi and ERB are the worst hires ever and would fit in perfectly with the worst talents of niji
All annoying. All vulgar. All not cute. Annoying western pigs
>>105127688All of them are cute/thread
>>105129486>ERB>Vulgar
>>105127688EU gen they were doomed from the startgigi is the only NA streamer and has found some success but she only appeals to the "lol XD so random" crowd
It's always crazy to see how powerful the initial debut week boost is. You almost cannot outperform it.See Laplus in holoX. She started out strong and that initial excitement carried her all way for years while Koyori had to fight tooth and nails and La+ just sailed along getting more subs while not even streaming. Similarly, ERB had the best start algorithm and subs wise, so that alone carries her quite far beyond even girls like Gigi and Ceci who work much harder, are much better all around and who are more deserving too.The initial momentum and algo boost is so important, it's next to impossible to beat it.
Jeez the gap between Gigi and Cecilia is now over 50k subs? I remember when GG was 20k subs behind CC.
>>105129776Gigi had a boom with ENReco and her bday stream being cool, plus streamed a lot for many hours before the classic schedule-ruining JP trip.
>>105127733me too
Raora is easily the worst one of them. She sounds like an arrogant bitch and she ruins every collab she's in.
>>105129776boat got binted
I don't keep up with their streams but most of the best clips I see these days are clips with Cecilia and/or Gigi in them.
Ligger seethe thread
>>105127688They're not meant to. Their gen is for support of the other EN girls, even in lore. They're someone new to collab with, rekindling and redistributing those already a holoENfan. Old Mori, Kronii, and Nerissa hateres started coming back after Justice. Cover needed non-idols to plug the looming graduation dain in quick succession. Justice is an accent piece and filler for the true next gen in the works.
>>105130107Because they work to make funny and stupid moments, and those are the best moments in Holo that a majority of fans love. I was blown away that they managed to get Fuwawa messing around a bit in their collab. I thought that one was gonna be miserable but it was a lot of fun.
>>105129776GG did well.CC’s streams dropped by half even outside the JP arc.
>>105127688The COVID mirage is over.
>>105130302One of the best collabs for sure.
>>105130481Saying miserable might have been a little harsh, but I expected either CC and GG to not bring their usual bickering banter to the collab and baby-fy it for FWMC or for FWMC to just be quiet most of the time while CC and GG did their thing. I was blown away when Fuwawa made a joke during Among Us calling back to CC and GG talking about how FWMC 'Wouldn't get what it's like to be twins'. Mococo was an autistic little shit, but it made for a lot of fun bullying her at the doorway with the rock.
>>105127688elizabeth is a great singer and a voice actor and hes has an actual irl job, gigi is funny and a boomer hag, ceilia is hot irl, and raora is high energy and a kind soul. nerissa and cali have zero personality beyond generic white women. they dont even play good games
>>105130628and yet they both eclipse them in popularity, maybe everyone else is not some third worldie that hates white people
>>105130709NTA but Gigi is the only person that he mentioned that isn’t white
>>105130835and yet they still made the comment of being white women like it's supposed to be a bad thing
>>105130948Ah I somehow missed that part, yeah he’s retarded
>Ligger whores seething ITT I assume someone failed their audition? So EN5 soon?
>>105130628>cecilia is hot irl???
>>105130709>and yet they both eclipse them in popularity,popular = good. yeah sure retard. go watch blacked porn jeet
>>105130628>elizabeth is a great singer and a voice actorno she fucking isnt, especially not a good voice actor, she literally cant even fake emotions
>>105131809Her impressions of other people or characters are always quite funny.
>>105127688there are two types of fandom in any sort of mediathe person who is their for the content being provided, and the one who is there because everyone else is thereif you're perusing a youtube channel and check out once you see a lack of subscribers, you're the latter in this equation not a moral judgement btw, it's finebut know that some people actually like chuubas and aren't wed to whether or not they're the most popular thing going at the moment
>>105127688They probably have more subscriber count and better ccv than your oshi ligger
>>105127688I don't expect half of them to remain by the third year. Do you really think they're thrilled about having to stream under restrictive guidelines?
>>105127688GG and CC are great. Raora has her moments but is mostly just a chill streamer. Still more exciting and entertainign than Ina for example, if we're just comparing "art vtubers". And I dont think I ever watched ERB but every British woman in vtubing so far proved to be insuferable. They are either homo promoters or derranged lefty justice warriors. And I also count Shondo as one of the insuferable ones so its not just "I hate everyone that doesnt do GFE".
>>105131809>no she is not!!Keep seething. She is amazing.
I dont know why is getting to 1M subs such a big deal. It took Marine YEARS to get to 1M and even with kaigainiki pandering. The vtubing hype is over. It lasted for about 2 years and it is dying down ever since.Instead of looking at their CCV and earnings, retards only care about subs which is honestly a pretty pointless metric.There are indies with 300-400k subs that dont even get 1k ccv.
>>105127688Elizabeth dragged the whole generation down. I fear for advent too because they are using advent to try to get out of the hole
>>105127688Looking at the sub growth, not CC that's for sure
>>105129547her nasal talking voice is vulgar no matter what words she utters
ERB's a great karaoke machine and fills an interesting niche with her RP stuff. CC and GG work well to give people more of the standard stuff. Raora exists? Her art's good but if you don't like her accent I don't really think there's much there.
>>105133623>i-it's vulgar because it doesn't fit my made-up standards!!!Absolute retard.
>>105133378>the one with most subs is the one who dragged the generation downNo-sense statement here.>>105133660>I don't really think there's much thereComfy streams are a thing anon...
>>105127688>3 europoors and one retarded whoreIt was doomed from the start anon.
>>105127953>Realistically ERB is the only one who pulls people from outside the current fan poolWhere's the evidence of this? There doesn't appear to be any in reality.
>>105127688Weird how ERB has the biggest numbers, I barely see anons commenting about her.
>>105127688I need Elizabeth and Raora to smother me with their hag saggers.
>>105135131based
>>105134875>She doesnt stream>She is here to sing and nothing else>Most unicorns except the most deranged one basically ignore her because she was upfront with her homo collaber statusAs to why she get big sub numbers, singers usually get more subs, also her performance at AFO apparently boosted her sub numbers even further.
>>105128217>numbersKill yourself
>>105135873She's done a very good job at filling the does karaoke slot to be fair, would be nice to see some covers but who knows where those are stuck. Also done a solid job expanding to the JP's which helps.
>>105135131Raora isn’t a hag
>>105127688>boring, bad singer>gremlin energy, likely will make it eventually>seems ok>fat old lady voice
>>105127733BIIIGGG CAT MEANS BIIIGGG...
>>105134875She's a nijisister plant.She also is a magnet for antis, pro-unity fags and stars fans.Her karaokes attract some tourists, but they aren't loyal fans or buy merch.Overall, her advantage is very marginal; all the Justice girls are in the same hole more or less.
>>105127688>Ceci lowestHow, I find her and Gigi way more interesting than ERB or Raora. It's a pretty big gap too.
>>105127688>Is any of them>Numbermonkey>ESLEvery time.
>>105136181... Traumas.
>>105135873She had the most of subs in Justice even before AFO, stop spreading lies on purpose.
>>105128380Remember when Youtube itself made a video about vtubers with matpat as narrator? I remember. Gura and Mori were "interviewed" and all. Those times are not coming back.
>>105136265is it that hard to accept your preferences are in the minority?
>>105136592Readingcomprehensionchama...
>>105133768>>the one with most subs is the one who dragged the generation down>No-sense statement here.She is the "leader" of that generation. If you don't believe me, check all the promotional images, she's in the centre 80% of the time. Now, yes, she dragged everyone down with her as most people who like vtubers avoid that generation like a plague. That leaves only beggars to follow that generation, so it's normal that she has the biggest numbers. I feel sorry for CC, she probably would have done better in Advent, can we change Shiori for her?
>>105136813>she is the leaderSo is Shiori and yet she's has the lowest numbers of Advent.Your logic is baseless again. It doesn't work if you compare to what is really happening.So stop trying to blame someone who you don't just like.
>>105136212>ERB is a nijisister plant>In the generation with Gigi and RaoraSure, buddy. I hope you like your first day here.
>>105127688>HololiveThere's your answer.
>>105136813I think you need to stop coping otomo
>>105127688its hard for me to say it, but Gigi is the least shitty one of them
>>105127688>OI IM LOUD AS FUCK SHIT CUH BWAH IM LOUD AS SHIT>is okay, but sometimes annoying>is good, but a prude about many things >MEOWMEOWMEOW BIG CAT MEANS BIG TRUBBLEEEESSWEEEYou know why.
>>105127688not enough threads on this board.
>>105137173>MEOWMEOWMEOW BIG CAT MEANS BIG TRUBBLEEEESSWEEE
>>105136806I think CCfags needs some kinda of cope considering how undistinguished everyone else is, allegedly.
I adore ESL women. Some of my favorite Holo JP streams are them trying to speak english. Being ESL on top of having a unique accent is very cute to me.
>>105137173>MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW
>>105137173>MEOWMEOWMEOW BIG CAT MEANS BIG TRUBBLEEEESSWEEEBased mamma, I love her
>>1051276885th one is missing and I can't even remember who it was from the top of my head....dead gen
>>105127688Who?
They hired nijisanji managers and hired nijisanji style talents to implement nijisanji cultureit's fucking disgusting
>>105137782nijiseethe
My take>LizI watch her the least, not because I don’t like her, but she just doesn’t have a lot of talent outside of singing. From what she’s been putting out though, it seems like she doesn’t care too much about how her streams does as she has outside interests, and it seems like the company is going to keep her around even if her stream numbers don’t do good because they want a vocal powerhouse around for projects. >GigiShe’s a straight up firecracker and makes an impact among the girls, but I feel like she does have a tendency to fall back on inside-jokes and her fan bases insular culture, so it can be hard for newer fans to get on board. I would think she’d be the first to get to 1 million subs just because she has a buff from the other girls willing to collab with her so often.>CeciI initially didn’t like her because her tone of voice just makes her seem so mean-spirited, but apparently that’s just how Germans are. Probably the sharpest wit and the biggest brain in the group. It feels like if you’re tuning into her stream, somebody’s going to get shit on, and in a good way.>RoaraShe’s a dumb bimbo who’s easily flustered. Easy GF material.
>>105138216she might not be dumb, but she is a bimbo.
>>105131809You must be musically illiterate to say that ERB is a bad singer. Also, comparing all other EN girls she's the one that has the most VA experience and knowledge. Its fine to shit on a talent but at least try to have some basis to back it up, otherwise you just sound like a miserable nagger
>>105138723>LOUD = GOOD>MORE LOUDER = MORE GOODER
>>105127688Fun fact: each Justice member is on pace to reach 3 million before Nimi gets to the 1 million milestone
>>105135873>AFO apparently boosted her sub numbersI don't bemoan ERB's success from that, but it sucked seeing how little Cece's subs grew afterwards despite how well received her Wind-Up performance was.As an otomo and miofa I guess I'm just drawn to talents with notable skill but limited virality, who just pursue their own goals. For the best, in all honesty
>>105127688Absolutely guaranteed if they had been the ones to debut in 2020 they would have similar sub numbers to Myth (barring Gura because she's magic). There was more of a novelty to vtubing then and of course the Covid boost. Their lower subs are more a reflection of the oversaturation of vtubing as a whole.
>>105139158Proof?
>>105139424no one, literally no one, cares for that song
>>105136265She had potential but ended up just constantly screaming and making annoying noises.
>>105139058>her singing is just being loudYep, that anon was right, you are musically illiterate.Also it confirms you don't even watch her streams nor hear her karaoke.
>>105139572i careWind-up is peak.
>>105139791okay, besides you cuckomos
>>105140043>"y-you are an otomo so it doesn't count!!"
>>105128184ERB doesn't have notable metrics. Her karaoke numbers have halved and she barely streams or puts out covers, original music or even shorts. Is there ANY evidence she is reaching people outside the fan pool more than anyone else? What is her new audience? HololiveEN got a normalfag western audience ever since myth.
>>105140350Frankly, she doesn’t care because she has work outside of Hololive. She’s still doing small projects and getting voice roles so even if she only does vtubing as a side gig, it’s still profitable for her.
>>105140043Yeah, how dare she make a song for herself and her fans! She should be targeting the algorithm!This is literally what I meant by >>105139424 (me). I would rather 10 under-performing songs made from the heart that mostly target their fans than even 1 regular pop number that reaches a million.
>>105140474Good for her an all(plenty talents have other gigs) but I'm talking about the "line go up" in relation to this job. I'm not seeing anything notable about her reach as being claimed here >>105127953>>105140608The song is doing well for an original anyway.
>>105140608>your chuuba not good enough to do bothKek
>>105127915This but unironically. CC's constant collabs with GG are hurting her. What hurts her most though is her EU timeslot, she streams when most people are at school or work.
>>105140350>Her karaoke numbers have halvedSource: his ass
>>105140350yeah gigi has more covers than ERB and with better numbers too
>>105141365>Why doesn't the European streamer cater to my American times?!
>>105141587ERB has 9 on her channel, GG has 8. ERV also has 2 soon to be 3 more 3D appearances.
>>105141365CC should stop collabing. Period.
>>105127688
>>105142213>extrovert person should stop collabingI wish she would never hear those like you.
>>105138216Raora should start making Gfe asmr. Her voice may filter some people but I think she could be very good at it
>>105127688>Is any of them ever going to hit 1m?At this pace is going to take them at least 2 more years, no kidding
>>105139750You guys never have any actual substantive argument, EVERY time it's the same pattern>She's good it's a fact you cant deny it>I point out flaws in her singing>ok so maybe she sounds like actual shit BUT she's good on a TECHNICAL level>I point out the technical flaws>you get mad and seeth and resort to ad hominemshe's not good on any level, she isnt fun, she has no SOVL, she's nasal and has poor resonance and tone controlyou can cry about it if you like, she'll still be shit
>>105143635It's all cool brotato you can keep imagining problems in her singing to get angry about, it's the /vt/ special after all
>>105143635I agree but it's a losing battle. Unfortunately for you and I, most people eat shit like they're starving. Especially here.
>>105127688surprised cecilia is the lowest, she's by far the best one
>>105143635What technical flaws? You know the shit she does during karaoke is just her messing around, right?
>>105127688One of the immediately shouted out her love of the homos and it soured the entire gen. Council did the same shit which also stagnated the group. Advent was going strong until Shiori finally ripped the bandaid off and killed them all from infection. It's over.
>>105144588she does the same shit on stage too though?
>>105127688Interest in vtubing declines, especially given that EN vtubing became just twitch streaming with an anime mask. Think about how many ENs do the type of GFE, JP does, zero of them.
>>105127688yuro jank
I think all the graduations cratered general EN enthusiasm.
>>105147294Examples.
>>105148047nah JP is still going strong, EN shitters need to acquire a personality beyond loud and white
>>105127688no. the vtuber rush is over.Gen Z is topling their governments and millenials are drinking at their minimum wage jobs.
>>105149170EN's are also extremely obvious in how much they despise their fans. Jap politeness may be fake, just like in real life, but it works wonders in this type of entertainment.There are some examples of JP's actually being rude, but most of the time they are really nice to their fans.
>>105148047GFE is old-fashioned vtubing, and most JPs have stopped doing it.The only ones still doing it are mems-only streams from Korone Okayu Ririka.
>>105149698pretty sure JP branch does more singing, dancing and other idol stuff. Some like Okayu and Korone play older and obscure games and Okayu draws thumbnails. Botan is good with FPS and competitive games since she worked as a manager for an esport team. EN shitters are lazy entitled nepo babies who only play the latest overhyped stuff.
>>105127688>Boring British Belter appealing to the Twitter audience>Brainrot Mindworm appealing to the Tumblr audience>German>ESL Artist appealing to the hag gooner audienceIt's either audience fatigue, or their missing 5th was meant tot carry them.Same thing happened to JP 5th gen, without Aloe they have nothing to stand out with, NePoLaBo are just kind of normal and blend in.
Also ERB wants to be Nerissa so bad, except she can't sing as appealingly, isn't as demure, has a nasal voice and uses the boys to prop her up instead of family collabs. Just a pale imitation in every way.>Hold an A noteNerissa: aaaaaaaaaaaaaERB: AyyyyayayayayayayayaAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAYAAYAYAYA!!!I don't care how much throat skill she needs to do it, it's annoying as fuck and I don't want to hear it.
>>105141365i for 1 like that there's something to watch while im working that's not JP
It's grim because by unicorn logic, CC should be the top and erb at the bottom. Oh how negligible they are.
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>>105127688Liz will hit it first and /vt/ will seethe. They will all pass Shiori, which is a little bit sad.
I genuinely forget ERB exists sometimes.
>>105150874ERB has throat skill alright
>>105131485
>same writing style between multiple replies all saying the same thingIt's threads like these that make me wonder how many people are actually here.Anyway, the girls are fine, are doing their own thing and hopefully don't feel burned to chase an evermore idiotic algorithm. Watch streams, watch your oshi. And if you only watch numbers... just go into accounting or become a talent manager; all the 'tism is wasted on a rice paper folding forum
>>105127688HoloEN Box is just not as huge as before.Anons mock Gura, claiming she has "dead subs," but 1.3 million resubscribers is impressive for a VTuber today. While the "dead subs" also applies to the rest of Hololive.Sadly, without a talent drawing new fans from outside the box (Gura/Fauna), new EN branches hitting a million subscribers (excluding YouTube Shorts) will be tough.
>>105140350>Is there ANY evidence she is reaching people outside the fan pool more than anyone else?anon reuploads of her karaoke songs on no-name channels are hitting higher numbers than many of EN's produced covers. They easily hit millions of views and they're not even on affiliated channels. Hell, on most of them, they're the only high performing clips on the channel.
>>105143635Anon she's capable of singing and dancing for like 10 hours straight regularly without it affecting her throat. That alone is valuable.
>>105127688They debuted like two years after the VTuber boom ended. If anyone from Myth or Council debuted now with the same models they'd also probably be at like 500k
>>105136265I wonder if it’s her game choices, or that when they do collabs she is the guest more often than the host?
>>105138216>that’s just how Germans areVery true and it’s a strong filter. Germans are just autistically blunt and it comes across as being mean when they’re just trying to banter like normal humans would
>>105129307>because compared to JPs they dont sound cute while 40Funnily enough Raora is the youngest of the group (26 yo).
>>105154717Wow, a woman's back.
>>105129570>Similarly, ERB had the best start algorithm and subs wise, so that alone carries her quite far beyond even girls like Gigi and Ceci who work much harder, are much better all around and who are more deserving too.Anon, that's just cope. It helps, but just look at Raora. >>105158161It's the same as the other anons have said. Cece and Gigi just get absorbed into the moeblob because they pander to pre-existing holofans. This massively limits their potential growth and means they just get cannibalized by the other girls. Just look how affected they are from overlaps for a good example. As much as /vt/ hates it, girls like Fauna, ERB, Gura, Mori, Bae, and even Shiori are what hololive needs more of. They need to be drawing in new people towards Hololive rather than playing it safe and shuffling the same few thousand viewers around between 20 girls.
>>105129307>(especially raora and her 60yo crackwhore voice)Anon she's one of the youngest members of HoloEN.
Like sub count matters. ERB and Raora has a lot of subs but what does that matter when no one watches their streams?CC has the fifth highest average CCV of September in EN and is no1 in Justice. Her and GG are consistently among the top CCV performers in EN.Both GG and CC gets a fair amount of sponsorship, their merch sells well enough. When there's Autofister related merch they are among the strongest in the company, rivaling FWMC.Subcount is literally the only metric in which CC and GG is losing. Everything else, they are performing better than most of EN.This is one of the many reasons numberfags should stick to /#/. You're not using the numbers correctly. You're only using them to shitpost.
>>105143635Anon you have to understand that sometime "pointing out flaws" can be wrong.Because you clearly haven't heard her signing in a calmer tone. She even released an Original Song which has a calmer tone.Salt Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9rY7slCeOwAlso one of my fav performance of her is: "Why don't you do it right": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_5JQza6FCYIf you think she can only "be loud", you should listen her opera-like songs like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDr4oM1Lcl8&list=RDxDr4oM1Lcl8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueg9y3jtBHw&list=RDueg9y3jtBHwAt least when you want to talk about "singing skills" and pointing out flaws, post links where she did the problem, in which song, and how.
>>105159726(me)Also honorable mention about this masterpiece made by CC, Nerissa and ERB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNC0hhllAxE
>>105130439it's not just the pandemic, man, it's just not the new fad anymore.
>>105159710>Both GG and CC gets a fair amount of sponsorshipAnon do you know Sponsors are about applying to it and not something chosen by the sponsors?
>>105151346decent portrayal of a unitroon, yes.
>>105159710>Everything else, they are performing better than most of ENCorrect for GG. Don’t look at CC superchats though
>>105154717uh oh>linebacker shoulders
>>105127688>200+ replies on an obvious ragebaitbaka
>>105159797Ok small asian man
>>105159797Large shoulder women are peak.
>>105154717Jesus this board really is starved for female interaction that they find a back as hot
>>105160509>he doesn't think woman's back are hotYou're clearly uncultured.
>>105154717omg she does have the same haircut/length, or at least used to have
>>105129218She's an exception.
>>105160579>I-IT DOESN'T COUNT
>>105158389>>1051585954chan lost their reading comprehension.
>>105129570Instead of complaining how much work you do start working smarter instead of harder retard.
>>105160604Unrelated but I want to have sex with Bae
>>105160604>IT DOESN'T COUNTIndeed
>>105160866Imagine making an argument but it fails with one example i gave, but you arbitrarly decide that it doesn't count so your logic "might" work.I think you should change argument at this point. Unless you have to admit your logic doesn't work (which it will end up like this anyway if you admit it or not)
>>105160950>it fails with one exampleBlud doesn't know what an "exception" is
>>105161000I said "i gave", it means there are others, or there can be others.Do you want another example? Mori Calliope. She collabed with male and her viewership didn't fall because of it.Also when you point out something as an "exception" you have to explain why, not just say "nooo it doesn't count", so we can verify how much your argument stands.
>>105161136>Mori CalliopeShe's the mos5 shilled member, of course they won't fall.
>>105128475BIG CAT MEANS BIG SMELLY BRAPS
>>105161225See, another exception for you then. How many other exception you need before you convince yourself you're wrong?
>>105161376>How many other exception you need before you convince yourself you're wrong?Idk but keep trying.
CC is actually quite remarkable and an amazing hire, she's a really nice, smart, intelligent, creative and interesting person
>>105161547What makes her stand out is how she's able to bring the other talents out of their shells because she unapologetically teases them and pushes them to be interactive. Language barriers be dammed, she will talk to anyone if the opportunity presents itself. I also appreciate Gigi in that regard to a lesser extent.
>>105161547She doesn't have any market appeal though, since her biggest selling point is that she's cute, and that doesn't bring in any new people.
>>105143080Uhhh, did you miss Valentines?
>>105143635I dont want to listen to Wicked every time I hear her sing. She just sings like she's on a stage literally every time, and it's gotten very old already. She has no range at all.
>>105159797her upper arms aren't fat, though.
>>105136181Boner
>>105129138I mean, any solution that boils down to>just get lucky broisn't a solution. Your 100 attempts at a viral short or video will fall flat, someone's else ass random stream clip will go viral by itself, that's not something you should think about.
>>105136265You NEVER get the most subs by being a consistent streamer. It's all about music or viral moments.
>>105161547Is interacting with JPs more her path to more subs? She did a call in to Lamy and Kanata and they and the JP chat were shocked at her current interest being chess, I wonder if she got any from that. Her extrovert power might be the strongest in EN and unlike GG shes fearless towards the JP senpais too
>>105163784Not really that unique to her in Justice though, ERB while not as eager to jump into calls or collabs shows up in their chats and raids them pretty often. RBC is also fiending to get her hands on ERB.
>>105162171No I watched it, it was decent. That maid model combined with her voice has a lot of potential but she used it only once, she should make more streams like that
>>105163784You can get subs, but it won't translate to viewers on 95% of your content, only some of the event stuff like 3D lives. Just like FWMC
>>105141365Someone has to man the EU hours to have any chance of growing an EU audience
