/BIG/ Improvement Edition>What is /BIG/?/BIG/ is a thread to find, share, and discuss the biggest indie vtubers who have a 3-month average of 1000 viewers or more.>Can I shill my 999 CCV oshi here?No. 4views or higher only.>Live /BIG/shttps://vt.rita.moe/?tag=thread:/BIG/>Wordcloud creatorhttps://catalog.neet.tv/harlequin.html>/BIG/ logohttps://files.catbox.moe/jk4ric.png>Vod channelshttps://rentry.org/Indie_Vod_Archives_lig>Ferrets!https://www.twitch.tv/ferretsoftwareOther useful threads:>>>/vt//lig/>>>/vt//xvsj+/>>>/vt//swarm/>>>/vt//flip/>>>/vt//haha/>>>/vt//mint/Previous thread: >>105162303
lmao
>>105203458And it's kino everytime
>>105203458literally me
>>105203509sex fert
>>105203519>Laimu love ferret Yes Furry Laimu is slept on
>>105203509harlot (affectionate)
>>105203519>harlot laimu love
>>105203519>sex doki
>>105203519>Peo using MintThis is the closest image I have.
>>105203519>mint love
>>105203541would
>oli trying to wear booty shorts when she was 12 years oldseductresstoo bad I was the loser nerd...
>>105203690>12>seductress
>>105203690bruh
>>105203690
>>105203690a lot of girls i knew did that when i was in middle school
>>105203745>>105203767damn you guys really instantly went thereweirdos
https://youtu.be/Vmpl0gzeHqAnew bao song
>https://x.com/HikamioHikami/status/1974507742984643009
>>105204165me grabbing that ass BTW
>>105204238omg, hi minto!
>>105204165smackin
Damn, nimi in that outfit makes me wish someone drew that assgrab picture of the character she's cosplaying.
>>105204153oli cute
>>105203690Every girl was wearing booty shorts when I was in middle school. Retards would keep wearing them into winter and then whine about how cold their legs were.
>>105204274but who was milk?
>>105203519
>>105204338>Retards would keep wearing them into winter and then whine about how cold their legs wereMe but cargo shorts. Girls definitely weren't allowed to wear booty shorts when I was in middle school, was against the dress code.
>>105204274scandalous
>>105203519>ferret banghttps://files.catbox.moe/bkzg6r.jpg
>>105204342I'm not sure any of these sluts are capable of blushing.
>>105204469lucy would definitely start blushing if you suddenly grabbed her like that
>>105204450https://files.catbox.moe/13itli.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/nye6ct.jpg
>>105204486But who's the one grabbing them?
>>105204668me
>>105204450>>105204555harlot (affectionate) sex
>>105204668me of coursethe context of the scene is that it's the nikke commander (you) trying to not look like he's CIA by being aggressive and handsy with the women in the casino but it catches the girls off guard with how forward he is about it
>>105204486Grabbing lucy's A-cup!
>>105204431It was against dress code at my school too, but it never got enforced
>>105204342The finger beneath the bunny suit *chef's kiss*
Are there any good podcasts? I know of Mata and Mint an Vchibanter but any other?
>oli going through all of her favorite looking digimon>it's all just the hot girlsbased honestly
>>105205447I'm honestly surprised how popular the new digimon game got. And I'm kinda sad that it's not in the style of the world games.
>>105205487Digimon world 1 is still one of my favorite games ever, none of the other attempts they did to recreate it like next order really did it for me. They just can't capture that atmosphere anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtZifR4xQyw
>>105205487World-style would never hit these heights, but the success of Time Stranger could mean the next World game gets the same budget/effort/marketing
>>105205542I think the problem is that next order and redigitize were handheld games. I think it would be funny to watch some girls get fucking numemon for the 3rd time in a row though.
>>105205202does ama lee's thing count as a podcast?
>>105205591I don't know if it was the platform that really made it that way, it's just the core design of the games are different. I think camera perspective and modernization are really the bigger reasons, you just don't get that same atmosphere as the resident evil style fixed camera and all of the way more in your face game systems just make it a lot less immersive.When 90% of your game's soundtrack goes from thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krHcWQlt6W8to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBya2eBtWekit's just a different game at that point. I feel like they never really tried to make a game like it again beyond the game mechanics which makes me sad.
>>105205542based https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2T9Cx2ogbQ&list=RDS2T9Cx2ogbQ&start_radio=1
>>105205447damn digimon look like that?
>>105205202Bikini Bottoms
>>105205900
>>105205749Yeah, the atmosphere did a lot of heavy lifting. The fusion of natural scenes and technology was also done a lot better in the first one compared to the sequels. I wonder if some roguelike elements could help that style of games, I mean training a new one from scratch every time already feels like you're doing a new run.
>>105205863this is what digimon looked like back in my day
>>105205985she actually specifically said that angewomon was the best looking digimon
>>105205863Yeah, I was watching Moriko play the new game and there was also one that just looks like a human kid in an Agumon onesie
>>105205968>The fusion of natural scenes and technology was also done a lot better in the first one compared to the sequelsyeah it had really awesome environments, another benefit of the camera perspective and prerendered backgrounds. The newer ones all just look like gust games which is fine I love atelier but it's very different.
>>105206114That's because women can't appreciate the beauty of designs like RustTyrannomon
>limes doesn't care about Dusa or Dorabased
>>105206114lies
>>105204866I miss Lucy's A-cups. Her bunny girl model was hot AF though.
>>105204486How would Lucy react if I grabbed her belly?
gudebenin liggy <333
>>105204486I'm more interested to watch lucy react to that little bunny toy attached to her leg belt.
>>105206930>liggyThis is biggy
>>105207045oops...
>>105206930aloo raccoon bro!
>>105207153It's ok I forgive you snuffybro
>>105206930Sup, can't wait for Snuffy's return
>>105207174>>105207194>>105207219YIPPEE!! <333
>>105206282based indeed
>if it's medium size I don't WANT itaverage bros...
Pink cat live
>>105207461Pink cat bad!
>>105207494
Some biggas are going to be in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEPfvT9YGLA
Nyan HATES Taylor Swift's new album
>>105207642Pink cat decent
>>105207642I take it backPink cat good!
>>105207642pink cat good (take)
i can't name a single Taylor Swift song
>>105207627My favorite bigga MarcoMeatball
>>105207723I remember blank space and that's it
>>105207642bao did a whole stream shitting on it last night kekshe should still post a pic like this on fansly
>>105207723I only remember the old ones like love story and you belong with me from the mid 2000s because they were everywhere when she first blew upand I guess like, never ever and bad blood I guess
>>105207627worm nyan my favorive bigot
>>105207723Same
>>105207642I think anyone does
>>105209038he's taking over
bandai namco is getting quite aggressive with these sponsorships
>>105209287fucking kek
Mintohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJYWe9DCU0Liveo
>>105209493but she's DEAD!?!?
>>105209508The bots are getting even more advanced
>>105209493minki the stinky!
>>105209493minto cuteo
fun oli stream todayI did have a small part of me that was hoping to get a key to the game
ferret harlot offline
I miss Laimu
ferret woman gone...
ferret woman...offline
limes raided joel
da limes raided da joel :D
>>105211227>>105211246hell yeah
Lia in da biggy :D
I miss Minto
>>105213407>>105213559minto big heado
what does /BIG/ think of muscle girls?
>>105214328I don't really like them, I like women soft. At most fit and firm, but not hard.
>>105214328I prefer toned girls over buff girls tbdesu
>purple yuri offcollab at numi'svod watch time
>>105214328sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqI_a48RLj8
>>105215356
>>105215006They were really cute together, fun and chaotic as fuck. Did not disappoint
>>105215356Snuffy Big
>>1052153563D Laimu my beloved
>>105216564
>>105215356i love the sloppy sisters!
Italian woman love
>https://x.com/Sioell1130/status/1974790684633952470
>>105214831I mean I get it, but it's not like muscles make your body that hard. Your dick is all muscles and gets hard but you can still squish it.
>>105215356ROLLIN' AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SNOUND
>>105217894italian hag segg
>>105218603>Your dick is all muscles and gets hard but you can still squish it.that's completely retarded, your cock is not made of skeletal muscles like the stuff that form abs and biceps the whole thing is just a bunch of spongy tissue
>>105218739hm I didn't know that, I thought it was all the same, thanks womper.
>>105216583
>>105212692That's nice of her. It'd be cool to see her do a one shot or short DnD campaign one day.
>>105218232harlot (affectionate)
>>105220422cute 3D harlot (affectionate)
Numi grippers out on main not reallyhttps://x.com/nihmune/status/1975016972275569126
>>105222299
look at the likes
>>105222573I remember Donut daddy being pretty popular with a lot of big vtubers a year ago.https://youtu.be/CldBASx-bbQ?t=65
Giri is hinting at a new vtuber model
>>105222299I hope they have lots of fun
Me: hello fellow vtuber loversAlso me: giri you are like half a second away from flashing your panties PLEASE
>>105223373 (me)nvm she's wearing safety shorts
>>105223388It looks like she's also wearing skintone tights as well
>>105222899I hope it has an arms up toggles>>105223373remember when you could clearly see them through her leggings on the fuji stream
Hey /big/ Catch this
>>105224908
gumornin bi-AEUGH
>>105225071
I like seeing girls actually sewing and crafting the materials for their cosplays themselves like giri is doingcute hag
I hope you're having a good day /BIG/
>>105225931same to you fairy bro we're all gonna make it
>>105226415Thank you Henya however I am currently ordering uber eats because it's less work than reheating my leftovers from when I got uber eats yesterday
>>105226829Extremely Momo-coded post
>>105226829it baffles my mind that people that aren't streamers pay for food delivery like this...anon....
Sloppies!https://x.com/JeanaDraws/status/1975234548633141279
>>105227358>it baffles my mind that people pay for food delivery ftfy
>>105227237And?
>>105227358>>105228559I don't think there's anything wrong with ordering from a local takeaway occasionally. I'd never order through Uber Eats, Deliveroo, Just Eat etc though - fuck paying extra when most of them provide their own delivery for much less.I guess people who want to order food from an actual restaurant don't have rhat luxury though.
>>105228691I don't know why but this is reminding me of the Butter Bar sketch from WKUK (God rest Trevor Moore's soul)
>>105228352Sloppy Sister Love
why are they called the sloppy sisters
>>105228352cuties
>>105230197because they make my cock all sloppy
>>105230197because they give me sloppy toppies
>>105230197They were all rigged by Cilla (well, I don't think Snuffy is anymore but she was) so rigging sisters. Their first collab was a fast food simulator and Laimu came up with the idea of calling the restaurant Sloppies, so then it became the group name.
>>105230337ty
>>105230337 (me)>Cillia*>Sloppy's*I can't type...
>>105230197Laimu came up with the name
You know, I get the feeling that Bao is just continuously going through it
>>105230404https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mVfv3b-4E
>>105230404Shut up hoe
>>105230404I can understand her feelings but at the same time I don't think she really understands that a large number of vtuber "viewers" in general only really watch clips or the occasional stream - they're not constantly watching like a lot of anons are so it's understandable some might genuinely be discovering things (like her great music) for the first time. It'll never cease to amaze me some YT comments on clips or VODs of chuubas I watch being incredibly surprised by things they mention all the time (and some of these people have member badges).
>>105230404she needs to coom to let off some steam
>>105230404please don't let like-farming casual viewer youtube comments give you brainworms whale I swear to god
>>105230558There are still people finding out that Henya is pikamee to this day
>>105230404>>105230558Spot on. She has tons of people who found her from clips of her thirsting over Blaidd, or from her cooking streams, or the animal sanctuary stream, etc. For the millionth time Bao needs to get far away from all forms of social media it's literally cancer.
ferretless...
>>105230404people like to talk about what they like and if what they like is their favourite creator they're likely to say good things about them, I think her viewers' heart is in a good place Tbh
>>105230404She's wildly successful and is still reading hate comments or taking "wow you're really talented" as an insult I think she needs a break
>>105230404I get what she means but I think its just people doing the 'vtuber = retarded' bitBut shes doing good saying she doesn't want that instead of just taking it, sometimes chat/comments REALLY like to ride a joke into the ground
>>105230793something less radical and more productive could be to delegate her social media interactions to avoid doomscrollingbtw, I discovered bao around one year ago and I was really surprised about her skills too (which made me stick around)all viewers are newfags at the start
>>105230404Directly quoting Filian is gross now
>>105230404Unironically she should lurk in Geega's chat
>>105230974This is a very good example of autism. A joke made between friends (or at least colleagues to a certain extent) is different to someone quoting that same joke in reply to a tweet about her feeling like shit that people devalue her music.
>>105231105She let her own friends devalue her skills and leaned into it as a joke and then got upset when people said she was actually good. You reap what you sow.
>>105230735Only around 24 hours, give or take...
>>105230924Better to stamp it than let it fester for sure. They are annoying repetitive comments and I do remember seeing them a lot but also like, they're not wrong and it's all coming from a place of good will. Most people don't know her as an artist first, and her on stream personality especially in her "most popular" moments pushes that unhinged wacky vtuber image while her music is serious and high quality which people don't expect. She just rejects it and takes it personally instead of being willing to embrace it. There's nothing wrong with being known for being silly and making people laugh but I don't think she will ever be able to reconcile that if she keeps dooming over social media comments that aren't even negative in the first place.
>>105231089I fucking love when Geega just obliterates a chatter for the smallest of things
>>105230974Holy first world problems
>>105231142I'm going to give you one last reply because I'll err on the side that you (and the guy replying, which is probably you) are autistic and genuinely don't understand rather than just a Bao anti. There is a difference between a friend/colleague making an offhand joke in a high energy collab than some random twitter account responding with the same joke to her getting upset at people's perception of her musical ability.
>>105231142We get it HammyMcSlammy you have the bad kind of autism
>>105231256>you reap what you sowhe's definitely an anti anon...
>>105231142I bet you think it's okay to call a black guy on the street a nigga just because him and his homie call eachother niggas
>>105231256I don't think you understand how many people on the internet have the childlike sentiment of repeating jokes thinking it's funny. You see it in every community and they don't care how it makes the other feel until you actually put your foot down or hand out bans.
>>105231256It's the same thing with the yuzu roast beef that /lig/ seethed about for months trying to anti numi with it. People really don't get that it's funny from friends one time as an off-hand comment, it's not funny from a bunch of your supposed fans spamming it every time you're mentioned.
Here's some mojito for you biggas
>>105231899If you're a friend then don't make the joke in the first place. You're in this business and you've seen how it gets out of hand every time.
>>105232126damn you're retarded that's crazy anyways I'm gonna jack off to mint now
>>105232274>be in business>knows how business operates>do the one thing that ends badly every timeretard-chama...
>>105231921>>105232274HARLOTS
We interrupt this autism to bring youGeega live: https://www.twitch.tv/GEEGA
>>105232515I'll geegoon to this
>>105230404This is something you should be proactively doing as a creator, communicating to your viewers what sort of content you really want to do and aspire towards doing.This is ultimately a skill issue on her end.It's not merely which content pops off the most but your intentions that matter.Suisei makes it very clear how serious she is about pursuing music; that attitude is what distinguishes her the most from others who also happen to sing well.Ririsya, a smaller indie she actually just did a song with, also gives off the same seriousness towards singing and lookie look, that's also what she's best known for.Instead of just plugging her songs and covers at the end of whatever silli stream, she would do well making earnest practice or music related stuff part of her regular content, courting viewers who would genuinely invest into her singing not just her yabai.
>>105230404I remember Michi saying once, that once you get popular for a certain brand of entertainment. It's what your viewers will mainly care about and expect from you. Many people know her for her crazy interactions and funny clippable moments, but they might not know or care about her music. Building up an audience that knows and cares about her for her music is a slow and gradual process, that requires lots of advertising, consistency, and some luck. Alternatively she can take the Michi approach and release songs she likes for fun, while still putting in the work to make sure they come out well. As long as you're doing it for the fun of it without the express purpose of going giga super viral, or being known as THE music vtuber not getting a knock out hit every time becomes a lot more bareable. Just like with chasing numbers, making a certain target your condition for being happy isn't healthy. Converting her normal fans into fans that love her music will always be a slow process, with new people discovering and complimenting it for the first time all the time until the day she becomes someone that's known for it like Ama.
>>105230735uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....
>>105232515>>105231190Already called out a guy in pre-stream chat lmao
>>105231921MInto Laimu Sexo
>>105230974but is he wrong? I don't know never saw baos ass but I also find her zero sexy.
>>105232632Bao says she promotes her music a lot but she honestly doesn't really. She pushes it in announcements and plays it on stream in the background (mostly right after it releases) yeah, but she doesn't really interact with it much. Stuff like karaoke streams are rare and I think the most music oriented thing she's done in a long time was talking about the Taylor Swift album the other day, it was a great stream too. Her content just isn't music oriented. >Ririsya, a smaller indie she actually just did a song with, also gives off the same seriousness towards singing and lookie look, that's also what she's best known for.Good perspective. When you go to bao's channel most of what you see is stream highlights and shorts, with new songs and covers interspersed between. When you go to Ririsya's channel literally the only thing you see in the videos is music and covers. I think it would be reasonable to go to bao's channel and come away thinking she's mostly a streamer and if you go to Ririsya's channel to expect that she is mostly a singer. Even Ririsya's vods are mostly singing.I'd really like to see bao sing more on stream honestly.>>105232689>Alternatively she can take the Michi approach and release songs she likes for fun, while still putting in the work to make sure they come out well.Yeah, even her other friends like Suko who do a lot of music and singing and don't particularly blow up or anything but just keep putting it out because she likes doing it and her viewers enjoy listening to it. But again that's a case where suko interacts with her music so much more, she sings on stream almost every stream and you hear her covers and songs on stream EVERY single time she goes on break, it's impossible to watch a stream and not know that she likes to sing.Basically I just want bao to sing more and do more music stuff on stream and I think it would help.
>>105230404>hello guys I know I'm famous and I have a lot of fans but also a lot of haters and trolls, let me now publicly say what combination words you can use to hurt me, no slurs required.I thought she is smarter than that.
>>105233608
>>105233649you couldn't even use the saru edit for that you tourist?
>>105233674I don't keep images with lesser whores saved, I just googled this one
>>105233701you could have just said "yes"
>>105230735Uuuuuuuuuuuu
>>105233720Not a tourist though
>>105230404Viewers are just terminally uninformed. Even AmaLee gets this and she's been doing it longer than some of them have been alive.
>>105233763>Even AmaLee gets this and she's been doing it longer than some of them have been alive.Crazy to think
New yuzu update
>>105234070I like it when the vtuber goes :D
>>105234104
>>105234140not that one, she should be perpetually miserable at all times
>>105233763Kind of understandable if you get raided into her or see her for the first time from a collab. I don't think she even advertises her music that much on stream.
>>105234165>when there are grudges to be settled
I will miss you guys and my oshis as well as my kamioshi.
>>105234368You better not die anon. I'd be very upset if you did.
>>105234070>>105234140:D
>>105234722I have to start working... which means no more streams for me and almost no /big/ either.
>>105234368>>105234807I still work and listen to streams at work then watch streams and shitpost when I get in
>>105234807I'm also starting working soon and I'm pretty sure I'm just going to miss every oli stream ever since it's a normal 9-5 and she doesn't stream on weekends that often usually but it's a good job and I'm 6 months since graduation unemployed so it's gotta be done. Just in time to start paying off loans... Still remains to be seen how much freedom I'll have to watch at work.
this shirt is so damn erotic, DAMN BRAT
can't believe camila just got gifted 100,000 tier 3 subs for real, insane
>>105235162Crazy that a mute friend got a $200k dono once.
>>105234807>>105234932I'm thankful for having rotational shifts for this very reason. Most chuubas I watch stream at some point between 11pm and 2am my time, so one week out of every three working mids 2pm to 10pm works well.>>105235012Sex gremlin.
>>105234140onahole
>>105235251I know yuzu actually got $20000 on last stream
>>105235012
Filian started reading her banned word list and it went about how you would expect.https://www.twitch.tv/filian/v/2585025058?sr=a&t=1103s
Baoner schedule (EST)>baocy on tuesday and she's debuting the madi/2win modelbased based based based based
>>105234932Similar situation for me. Haven't had much time to post about Numi or Michi, or any of the /exvsj+/ girls that overlap. Been too busy with the girl I met at a con but I'm happy my two oshis are vacationing together. Thankful that I haven't missed much since there weren't many streams in September.
>>105235682>they banned my duckwhat the fuck
>>105235824is that a spoon
filbert nuked a raw egg in her microwave
>>105235911Yeah, Michi loves spoons. Numi accidentally bought a confession love spoon kit, and decided to roll with it anyways. If someone sends you one, you can reciprocate by chiseling your own spoon with two hearts on it.
>>105235740once again manifesting >>105208092
>>105234807work HATE
>>105235824Are you the femanon purple yuri enjoyer or a different one? I'm glad things seem to be working out for you though.
mega preparing to constrict my gallons with filbert soon
>>105230404Can't believe people have the audacity to know her for one thing and then don't research what else she's known for. Who do these peasants think they are
troled
>>105215356cutehttps://x.com/JeanaDraws/status/1975234548633141279
laimu was my first vtuber because I watched her before she became oneI started trying to branch out to more based on her collabs with snuffy but I always wondered why everyone else's model felt so stiff and expressionless compared to herI thought I was missing something but nah for some reason laimu just has the best models in the business despite being independent
>>105236799ok
that's a lot of gallons
>>105236762Adorable
>mega is naturally redheadedwhat the fuckwhy bleach it...
>>105236799same
Need a more experienced woman to push me down and have her way with me
I feel like the seal on this gallon of milk won't be able to even hold enough pressure for anything impressive to happen.
>>105235740>>105236066I'll have to try to catch the Swift stream, would like to watch the VOD of her shitting on the album at some point too. I don't think she's a bad a artist but having two younger sisters who were (and one still is) obsessed with her it's always confused me why. I wouldn't say she's bad but I don't think she's incredible enough to inspire the kind of frenzy you see in swifties.
>https://x.com/HikamioHikami/status/1970986612583694597>https://x.com/HikamioHikami/status/1971605691480572396>https://files.catbox.moe/kbuf78.jpg>https://files.catbox.moe/9aj9ac.jpg
>>105237698I attempted to save the vod of the stream before it got devoured by copyright mutes if you want it, don't think it worked very well since it's like 40 minutes shorter
>>105237810doki sexhttps://files.catbox.moe/lycpqz.png
mega's fat pussy
>>105238266Sexo
Minto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Lv75VYC8ELiveo
>>105238540but she's DEAD!?!?
>>105237829That'd be nice anon, thanks.
>>105238540da wawa raided da manto :D
minto likes to be whipped
>>105238984yeah, by me
>>105238639https://gofile.io/d/YDjc3Dthat's what I have saved, I don't know what all is missing the encode was a little bit weird because of the muted segments
mega is soaked in milk
>>105240604
>>105241173FUCK I get up for two minutes to pee and I missed it, god damn it looked like it exploded way more than I thought it was going to
>>105241187>it looked like it exploded way more than I thought it was going tothat's what she said
>>105241187>>105241206
>>105236013>accidentallyright
>>105241217>>105241206damn, not bad even for a drop
>>105241262tebs
>>105236340The former. Still lurk to get merch updates since my pookie collects plushes and gamersupps cups.
>>105235824>>105242606aren't you lucky hope your yuri goes well
I miss Sinder
>>105241173
Geega gone... she made several hundred million on the slot machine though so it was good
>>105244739Bros, I'm not going to make it after Wednesday
Laimu in henya's chat
>>105244774>Wednesdaywhat about Wednesday
>>105245020>>105245050Cute
So Silver is going to cosplay as herself, I want pictures!
>>105245470She's going on a break
>>105245050>laimu got her shag cutnice
>>105245719
https://files.catbox.moe/t4rsg7.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/8x4nxx.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/4rv576.pngMinto Sexo
>>105245951
>Ama talking about stuffing her face at Ihop
>>105246209imagine the absolute weight on top of your face while she games
>>105246271this but she's giving you a footjob at the same time
>>105246393>not even bearing an ounce of the weight on her own feet or legsit's too much bro you won't make it...
>>105246472is it really the worst way to go out though
Peo time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNPO7viF0o
>>105246472if i die, i die
>>105245050cute harlot (affectionate)
>>105246595
>>105246271>imagine the absolute weight on top of your face while she eats ihopfixed
