>I thought that if I make a lot of art for Sinder alone, why shouldn't I ask for premium price for exclusivity?>Oh shit, Sinder actually agreed and dropped the bag for me for exclusivity, cash in and let's make shit up to Bao and other clients about why their art is delayed>Umm, actually after talking with Bao, Lilly and other whore clan members i realized the Sinder cash bag is a bad thing and I don't want it anymore, I was "under pressure" from her to take the money>Let's make a whole coordinated attack on Sinder how much of a bitch she is and how she "blackmailed" me>5month later, Nano: umm, now i learned that when i ask for premium price for exclusivity to one of my clients and they agree, I should be able to say "NO", heheWhat do you call this women behavior?
>rakes in a ton of money>still plays the victim
>>105354555400k for some drawingsNot even the real physical deal - just photophop shit400 fucking kHow
>>105354555Just goes to show that if you're skilled enough at something, others will view you as a strategic asset, tear eachother apart, and instantly forgive you if they truly rely on your skills. To many vtubers top tier artists, riggers, video editors, etc can be more valuable than their own "friends"
>>105354627Nano is Brazilian, and some people say it's in Brazilian currency, but even if it's still like $80k. For someone living in Brazil this is like an unimaginable amount of money she's making compared to what salaries and prices are in Brazil.
>>105354627Sinder might be a schizo but she's a paying schizo and a deal is a deal specially if it's a paid one. You don't just back out of it just because "friends" tell you that's a stupid idea. You could stop and pay her back but adding character assassination is bad form.
Sinder pressured her to be exclusive. Payment or not that’s backstabbing petty behavior and still makes her look like a bitch. Beyond all the other shit she flat out admitted to she just isn’t a pleasant person
>>105354555this is fucking insanityand the whole thing will be swept under the rug
>>105354555lol what sort of retardation is this
>>105354806>that’s backstabbing petty behavior and still makes her look like a bitch.how, it's just business, exclusivity agreements are common
>>105354698didn't know that. Yeah, that's how much a doctor makes in a year.
This drama has way too many words so I don't care
>>105354806Learn to read reatrdo. Nano literally said herself that she was the one asking for premium from Sinder.
>>105354842Ok and all the other stuff was business too then?
>>105354555>$3,951.00Thats a typo right? Considering her starting is $10k? She meant $39,510.00?
>>105354863 Sinder still pressured her and went behind her friends backs
>>105354887
>>105354925Why did you cut out the messages of Sinder pressuring her?
>>105354936What pressure? She is a fuckin flee lancer artist making more than doctors and Sinder paid her tens of thousands on the spot.
>>105354983That is the pressure lol
>>105355023oh fuuuuck please no one ever pressure, I'd hate to have thousands deposited into my account instantly, please don't I'd hate that
>>105355023Why are you a woman? Unless you're saying that nano's own free will pressured her to ask sinder for money in exchange for exclusivity.
Shylily and Nano already won in the court of public opinion. Facts don't matter and Sinder won't be able to drag them down with her. Vtubers like Deme and SquChan already ran damage control for Nano and Lily and only read sections of the document that looked bad for Sinder. Try as she might, Sinder can't overcome Lily's ironclad grip over a significant section of the indie vtubing scene.
>>1053546981 dollar = 5 real so yes it was a shitton of money
>>105354871She probably meant $3,951.00, just for the rigging.In Brazil, we use commas to separate decimals.
>>105355072Bruh sinder just proved she is awful person and that nano is not trustworthy. Her doc is 60% schizoing about silvervale
>>105355072Au contraire. The court of public opinion is now open since both sides have said their part. Nano the liar, shylily the manipulative bitch, sinder the schizo and i'm throwing silver in the mix for no particular reason.
>>105355112that is cheap as fuck... I heard some streamers saying they paid 20k for full rigging.
>>105355064Not the point
>>105354806>>105354887> Sinder still pressured her and went behind her friends backsShitty of her to do that to fuck over her supposed "Friends" but also to keep it secret so she could continue to fuck them over without them understanding why.>>105355113>Her doc is 60% schizoing about silvervaleI don't watch any of these whores but I don't get what her thing about silvervale is.
>>105354555>artist drama>+ ENwhore drama
>>105355147I need to become a good rigger holy shit.
>>105355147I remember some vtuber mentioning how nano is the best because she makes top tier stuff for somehow reasonable prices (probably because she's Brazilian and not American) instead of some artists asking for $12k+.As I see it, Sinder knew how much nano is worth with her quality and price, so when nano asked for extra Sinder dropped the bag on the spot for exclusivity, and other vtubers got ass mad about it so they "convinced nano" that it is a bad deal and decided to get rid off Sinder.Not saying that Sinder is some angle with her schizo obsession with silver, but the root cause of all of it in nano seems just like killing the competition.
>>105355138>Nano the liar, shylily the manipulative bitch, sinder the schizoAll the big names are either staying silent or choosing to cherry pick the document to only put Sinder in a bad light while ignoring Nano and Lily's involvement. If no big voice chooses to point out that Nano is a liar, or that Shylily is manipulative than the public will continue to put all the fault on Sinder. Lily has the biggest voice and the most connections, so she and Nano will get off Scott-free. Very few are willing to actually read the document, so they need someone to tell them what to think about it. And all of Lily's friends have already told viewers what to think, she won.
>>105355254the problem is that nano agreed for a really shitty amount. Exclusivity is expensive because you will drop everything to only carter to that person it will hurt you carrer in the long run too... I totally agree that nano only noticed it too late and wanted a way out.
>>105355237it's A LOT of work. Like weeks to month of work.
>>105355361All streamers are just self jerking circles with big dogs that everyone is scared of huh.Reminds me of how hasan ordered Ludwig to delete the youtube video criticizing him, and now with the dog drama all the LA streamers are dead silent about Hasan. Guess vtubers are the same circlejerk with Shylily as the big dog.
>>105355409twitch was a mistake
Okay, I read that dockey against my better judgment. Jesus Christ, Sinder really is a fucking schizo, huh? Silvervale should be scared she'll wear her face or something.Crazy how she made herself look even worse
>>105355388Ok, so even if that's true, that means Shylily and bao decided to pay her more (closer to what americans would ask for), and it's all about the money at the end of the day, and not Sinder blackmailing/pressuring nano to take the exclusivity bag?
>>105355491Basically it all comes down to, Nano lied and Sinder died.
>>105354627do you struggle with decimals or where the fuck did you pull 400k from?
>>105355474you know what is crazy? This bitch was WAY BIGGER than silver will ever be and she was still schizoing because she refused collab. Like, dude you won, move on
>>105355430This. We can't emphasize this enough. Nothing but cancer.
>>105355555Americans use . for decimals, so yes he struggles
>>105355023see >>105354581
>>105355072
>>105355197>but I don't get what her thing about silvervale is.she's a narcissist that was told no the first time in her life
>>105355361I hate this whore so much it's unreal
>>105354555>sinder wasn't lying and nano really did put out the exclusivity idea>the exclusivity that was the crux of all the accusations against sinderholy fuck lmao >>105354806>Sinder pressured her to be exclusiveeven nano says this isn't true now LOL
The stark difference of how quickly many periferal participants eagerly tore down one of their own back then versus choosing to ignore the situation now is really telling how shitty and fake they all are.
>>105355833that doesn't mean sex, saar.
>>105355980keep coping lil bro
>>105356029https://x.com/djclancy999/status/1730706593245696080i know for a fact because i am on the right and dan went home with me and we had gay sex all night alone.
nano lying whoreshylily manipulative schizosinder absolutely vindicatedsilvervale
Bottom line is everyone should stop relying on cheap third world labor. None of this would be a problem if vtubers only hired american/euro/japanese artists and riggers.
>>105355973Welcome to the world of indie vtubing(actually content creation as a whole). Remember Sayu? Everyone in the big indie scene was so supportive of her when she left for Niji, now they pretend that she doesn't exist. Funny that only Raoras RM supported her after she left
>hire american artist>they get shot mid commission
indie vtubeing is full of deranged whores
>>105354555bitches with 0 real-life experience, the lot of them
>>105355980>Twitch TOS literally has a clause that prohibits complaining that certain streamers get privileges for sexual favorsYes, it does, lil nigga
>>105356211>>105356071
>>105355409>twitch has better networking bro>the networking:
>>105356150It's even more tempting with digital products, because it's pretty much tariff / tax free, you just pay some random like nano via 3-rd party payment operators, and she just send you art in a compressed file via internet lol. No need to deal with local laws, hiring people on the spot and so on.That is why indie vtubers struggle with releasing physical products like plushies and half of it turns out to be scams.
>>105356242With shylily having her queen bee status being ripped off due to being known as a manipulative bitch, who would be the new queen bee of twitch indies?
>>105356322Nah, from what I can see 99% of people just decided it's Sinder fault, and upon seeing a 1000 words google doc they decided they don't care to read it.There are like 2 vtubers even hinting that nano could be at fault and everyone else is defending her till the end.
>>105356452I don't know where you're seeing these supposed defenders but it's obvious no one is taking nano's side this time specially after that self admission. Compare it during the dogpiling on nano's google dockey drop.
>>105354555Sinder has at least two boyfriends and people are funding her still?
She's brazilian? Thats explain the low IQ
>>105356071>>105356225he's bi
I don't know why vtubers like exclusivity to artists so much. Aqua/Sakuna trusted hers for years and then when he turned out to be a pedo she had to upend everything she had planned. Shouldn't make any one artist a huge art of your identity.
>>105356559You can't call upon the unicorns in this court of public opinion. They only see this as catfight between twitch whores and they couldn't care less.
>>105356621It's like asking for another artist to draw another saberface in fgo. It doesn't feel the same anymore. But if the artist is shitty as fuck like what we have here, they should be considered radioactive.
>Nano is PoS>Sinder is PoS>REDACTED is turbo cucked and PoSThere. Summary of whole drama.Nobody should defend Nano, nobody should forgive RED or Sinder since they are still in cahoots businesswise and romantically. (nothing changed)
>>105355023Low impulse woman, and nog, brained creature >she's a huehuehueit makes even more sense now
>>105355980Deluded cuck.
>>105356825Nobody should defend Lily either.
>>105356729Eh Sabers drawn by other artists are still plenty popular, people aren't so picky
>>105357439Saberface not Sabers you absolute plebian.
>>105354698The 'real' economy is broken and the way to make money is to do wacky stuff like e-businesses or trading stocks. If you took out calls on Gold in the last 2 months I'd have 100%ed your money, tunring 70k into 140k ez.
>>105355764No we fucking do not
>>105354555>actual apology>doesn't need 1000 pages of fluff and schizo "speculation" to do it
