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Where will (You) be posting during the next fes? That used to be the one time I went to global, but with global dead on /vt/, will that be my nudge to go to Towa for the first time?
PromiseGODS how do we keep on winning so hard.
Dutch singing vtuber anon, sell me on her. She a viper like 95% of indies?
Nijibros I found the new Nijisanji EN wave...It's an all-male wave called Relinquo and here are the names:Ping RepartatesWashington ConveltroOlumbris GrattlepeckTanker KinoshitaLaser K. Ralph
>>105395962She’s streaming btw
>>105395976I went to fes in 2024 and 2025 and hope to go in 2026 if I win the lotteries
>>105395750It's how almost everything they pay for work-related operates>Merch (if self designed)Girls pay for production costs>3D lives (if self directed)Girls pay for production costs>Original songs (on their own channel)Girls pay for production costs>Technical equipment (for Hololive use)Girls pay for acquisition costsCover fronts the costs for any production or purchase, and then takes it out of their next N months worth of pay. Cover gives them what is effectively a 0% interest, untaxed loan.
I don't actually get why V4M didn't just give her back her IP. It's like one of those things where it could've been good PR to. They don't even have to do it for all the girls either, just the ones that came into the company with the IP rather than those that were built by the company itself. Now their gamebu shit is spreading again and people want their throats. So dumb.
>>105396024Not chuuni enough, play some Kojima games, and let that bake in the oven a few more months.
>>105396079Neat! I wish you luck
>>105396024>Olumbris Grattlepeckthis one is actually good
>>105395926I don't see any ransom happening? Seems it all because she did not read her contract.
>>105396024Holy fucking shit black company did they actually kill off Percival Wallowbeep and Blinker Masterman because they were dating IRL? Hell did they cancel the entirety of Samhain?!
>>105395926>>105396124I always generally like to side with talent but there has to be some sort of reasonable level of fairness towards companies too.She made the choice to sell them her IP to join and boost her career, it worked, now she wants to walk and take it all with her and leave them high and dry? How is any company supposed to make it if the fandom expectation becomes "all give, no take"?
>>105395976Not here
>>105393623she had many weirdos but this anon is probably talking about Kakun who used to spam her chat every stream and supa'd in Ars but would also spam her RM coffee with suicide messages and shit. Nazi and a giant coomer (had a fap diary Kiara actually saw and made AI porn of her roommate), trying to get into her real life friend circle during cons to have a chance was his final mistake but she tolerated a lot of spergery for years.
>>105395976I probably won't watch. AFO was a disappointment. Starting to get burnt out by these lives and their questionable camera work too.
>>105396275Kill yourself
>>105395976both here and on towa, shitposter and seething niggers get drown during big event still, just like during AFO lmfaodead board unless HoloGODS say otherwise when they see fit>>105396275sure thing faggot
>>105395976in # where else? towa is gay
>mori graduating
Nijibros I found the new Nijisanji EN wave...It's an all-male wave called Fanta-C and here are the names:Usain GregoryMother Russia (who is a man)Edward SilverbeardThe MarinesBow D. Elfman
>>105395976>go to Towabut why?
>>105396088There has been zero proof whatsoever that the girl has to pay even a single cent for their merch. Stop spreading sisters' cope.You were trying to group them together, but personalized merch is still official merch under Cover, not personal projects like every other things you mentioned. Actual merch from personal projects is very rare (again, for example, what Lamy's wine was). Cover pays for their official projects.
What the morning Shiori doing
>>105396338They watch streams
>>105396296The thing is that Global always was more up to date in keeping track of interesting things people were posting about while at the event. /#/ was a bit slow on that front and not completely thorough, which is why that would be the one time a year I even went there.
>>105396325Why is it so hard to share a screenshot of this sludge? You could even train on your photo editing skills if you feel so inclined
>>105395976>2025>Watching Hololive idolslop
>>105395962>shiori op>nobody watching shiori
>>105396296Stay here then
>>105396174ACCELERATE doesn't stop for drama.
>>105396405Kill yourself
>>105396374Global posters actually go to Fes, so that's why they're actually on the ground posting about exhibits and cosplay and fan groups at the event.
>>105395976I don't even post anywhere else in the whole internet outside of this thread
>>105396342It's truly amusing how you are so offended at the idea that the girls make the hundreds of thousands sometimes millions of dollars off their birthday merch Why do you want it to be Cover that makes the money so badly?
>>105396195well that's what killed Vshojo
>>105396342To add to this, if the girls have to pay for their personalized merch, they would've gotten less of a cut from revenue than things like SC or membership which is the opposite of what they said
>>105396325>your mom graduating
>>105396424Thats sad
>>105396342I'm pretty fucking sure Ina has talked about it. If not her someone else. But I'm not going to look up years old streams just to placate someone who thinks cover is a perfect angel that does no wrong
>>105396405And 2026, 2027 see you in 2035 faggot
>>105396024>Ping Repartates>Washington Conveltro>Olumbris Grattlepeck>Tanker Kinoshita>Laser K. RalphShould have thrown a "Wilson" there to make it more unbelievable
>>105396088>Merch (if self designed)>Girls pay for production costsSource? The only one I know where they might pay something is if the merch is not made to order (bday and anniv sets are made to order) https://youtu.be/-i47IiP8j9U>3D lives (if self directed)Girls pay for production costs>Original songs (on their own channel)Girls pay for production costsCover has a base cost/feature set that they provide and the members are free to add to that. The Additional cost can be paid via the 0% loan>Technical equipment (for Hololive use)Girls pay for acquisition costsWhat do you mean by this?
>>105396417why?
>>105396421Yeah. It won't feel right to me not having them open on one of my screens while watching. But who knows. I've never went on towa, and I kind don't want to since I've held out this long... but we'll see.
>>105396427>>105396449which angle is it fucking monkeys
>>105396427The fuck are you talking about? We're talking about if the girls had to fund their own merch. That has nothing to do with what they make, or their cut percentage.They make "hundreds of thousands sometimes millions of dollars off their birthday merch" (so does Cover). They don't have to fund their own merch either. Is it that hard to comprehend?
>>105396447It's very liberating, actually
>>105395976Towa is faster with screenshots and webms now, probably there
>>105396450Imagine being proud of watching mediocre entertainment for 10 years
>>105396406I'm watching her, pretty cute and novel idea for a stream with chat interaction
>>105395976Towa obviously
>>105396498So true nigger i should go and watch some tard indie talking about drama while she acts like a dumb whore on twitch
>>105396498It seems Holo superiority has caused some controversy.
>>105395976I’ll be posting here
>>105395976Towa of course, what would be the point of doing it here?
>>105396498Entertainment which everyone has tried to copy for ten years with various degrees of failure
>>105396438Vshojo didn't have the leverage to actually get the girls to sell them their IP. If they could have, but most Vshojos didn't actually need Vshojo very much, other than the late-entrants like the Niji refugees and the undebuted newbie gens. It's a company killer to invest tons of resources and cash in a talent that can walk at any time and lose nothing because they obvious game theory move is to do exactly that. Stay for 2 years, soak up a few orisongs and some 3d and whatever else, and then bounce.
>>105396531no you should go get a real life
>>105395976I never posted on towa and never will
>>105396498how do you cope with literally everybody out there trying to emulate Hololive?>>105396560>said the seething nigger on 4chan
>>105396439When people talk about cut it is always of profit not of revenue>>105396490The cut they get is dependent on whether they pay for the production or if Cover does. They are allowed to let Cover pay for production and they get a smaller cut if they doBy pretending they don't pay for the production, you directly claim they don't make the significant cut we know they do
>>105396092Greed obviously, why give an IP away for free when you can hold it hostage for moneyOf course, we know thats gonna be venomous PR for them, but CEOs are not a smart breed
>>105396579why is that something I need to cope with?>>105396552Hololive hasnt been around for 10 years
>>105396449>someone who thinks cover is a perfect angel that does no wrongThat anon didn't say that. There is nothing saintly or "perfect angel" for a company to fund their talents' merch since they get their cuts anyway
>>105396552Honestly, with how much has revolved around hololive for the past years either by directly opposing or copying them, the shitter corps have essentially proved that the one thing that really matters is hololive in vtubing.
>>105396560Take your own advice threadshitter. No one is keeping you here doing less than even enjoying a hobby.
>>105395992Total Nimi Death.
>>105396450I'll be watching FWMC until the day they graduate and the second after they graduate I'm committing suicide
>>105396610les goooooooooooo
>>105395976reminder that towa loves kiara and is a better place than here
>>105396406I dont watch used up whores
>>105396636>towa loves kiaraanother reason not to visit
>>105396598>Hololive hasnt been around for 10 yearsIt will, whoever you watch won't be though, especially since their fans would rather shit themselves over hololive than supporting them.
>>105396636Towa also has cuter mods.
>>105396636We love Kiara too, though
>>105396406>cursed ring of avariceNIMI MENTION
>>105396642Yeah beacuse you can't control yourself and would get banned immediately for being a schizo
>>105396641Nimi ain't live tho what are you talking about
>>105396498Hololive as an entertainment product is the most comprehensive and engaging thing in vtubing, nobody is able to come close.The narrative arc of a Hololive year is crazy if you think about it, the peak moments like the concerts, interspersed with frequent events and stream arcs during the quieter periods, holiday events, sololives and 3d lives, and real-world events you can go to (if you live near NYC or LA or Tokyo). You barely even need any other entertainment than Hololive, it's a deep ecosystem.Even if an indie or small corpo girl is talented and funny (and there are some like that) the additional benefits of being a Hololive fan are so compelling it's very hard to compete
I used to have fes open on one screen, have global and /#/ open on another, and post things from the fes relating to my oshi in her general on a third. High energy fun times.
>>105396672OHNOONONONONO THE FAGOTNIGGER IS MAD
>>105395976man have another (you)
>>105396672You are certainly not a holofan, i even did you a courtesy by not specifying who i think you might be supporting.
>>105396673The other used up whore, Shiori
>>105396424Based me too. I'll even usually hear big breaking news here first because I don't use any other social media and I don't read the news.
>>105396677Hololive is only good if you want to feel like you're part of a thing, the content itself isn't great, like the live events aren't very good and their streaming talent is kind of falling off
>>105396589>you directly claim they don't make the significant cut we know they doNo, I didn't. Again, the fuck are you talking about?They get a 50-50 cut on personalized merch.They get a way lower cut on standardized merch (not specified, but probably around 10-30%)>The cut they get is dependent on whether they pay for the production or if Cover doesAgain, there has been no proof whatsoever of this. You are making shit up.We do know, however, that when Lamy had to fund her own merch in her personal project (the wine project), she got almost all the profits (after the wine production got their share) and Cover only got a small cut. That doesn't sound like 50-50, does it?
>>105396709No i don't see it, must be speaking about nimi still
>>105396701Thanks. I wasn't expecting so many. But hey, fes is a fun time to be on /vt/, or well, it used to be. I'm curious what it will be like in a post hack world.
>>105396711>the live events aren't very good and their streaming talent is kind of falling offFes is growing every year and retards are still saying Hololive is dying
>>105396677Also the girls sometimes kiss each other, that's very important
>>105396709Iofi finished her stream hours ago bro
>>105396672It's pretty sad to spend your weekend crying in # about people you don't watch then
>>105396704I'm not supporting anyone
>>105396692Ayooo me too. Shit was fuckin hype
>>105396677In the near future hololive might become a 24/7 form of entertainment system if not even whole lifestyle
>>105396692This is the ADHD build...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os6yz7kq7Cohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os6yz7kq7Cohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os6yz7kq7Co
>>105396729I didn't say it wasn't growing, I said it wasn't very good
>>105396762hololive will die, indies will live
>>105396589>When people talk about cut it is always of profitThat would only make their gain from merch worse if they have to pay for production costs as wellYour problem was that you thought their cuts varied depended on whether they did or didn't pay for production cost. That's untrue
>>105396739So you are just here to sperg out? What a boring faggot you are
>>105394535
I have a confession, I only ever come to /#/ when its on the front 2 pages. if its lower than that it becomes too much work to look for it
>>105396798Yeah it must seem boring to a person not like not to be part of a tribe
>>105396792Sexy hebe
The gnosia opening kobo sang in is out today
>>105396713>They get a 50-50 cut on personalized merch.>it was a napling the whole timeyou want nimi to be making as much as the holomems do so bad kek
>>105396692I remember this year's FES, right in the middle of Shion's graduation, how it felt like a goodbye of sorts.Also the day after FES, how Shiori was at some point the only talent streaming of the entire company.
>>105396819Nah, you just happen to be a common retard and there is already plenty of those so you aren't even an interesting retard.
>>105396836Where the fuck was Nimi even mentioned in that post for that to be a napling
>>105396801Kek
>>105396850Of course it's not interesting to you because you can't attack me with stupid generalizations based on what I like
>>105396780The ex-Holo Indies died a horrible death and the rest aren't worth their weight
>>105396870Like you are doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8geeG_DSK6Y
>>105395992>Krobaeliterally 0 people care about this duo
>>105396780I know you're just shitposting but still, this thought doesn't work at all because I legitimately think indies aren't even filling the same needs as Hololive anymore.If Hololive some day actually did die, just starting to watch an indie oshi really doesn't come close to providing the same experience at all for a very engaged Hololive fan. Nothing in vtubing does except, idk, maybe Nijisanji JP, a very shitty and exploitative and extractive version of the same experience.For a western fan? nothing.
>>105396762Cover would rather slash EN than have EU hours streams
>we talked about the girls paying for their birthday/anniversary merch for years>suddenly one fag says "ackshually they never pay anything"yeah, /#/ sucks now, i'm off to a split and play some games
>>105396853Dude is fucking deranged, he is constantly thinking about how much he hates NimiI wonder what he did before she graduated
>>105396853>mint revealed her cut is 50-50>nimi just massively underperformed on her birthday merch at a 50-50 cut>holomems sell more merch and make almost all of the profitgee do the math he's seething because we know how much nimi is making from these sales. nothing compared to the bottom tier ENs
>They can only see things in numbersHey she's talking about you guys!
>>105396819English speaky speaky no good huh? JeetJeet fag fag?>>105396908I care for all of Promise from every pairing possible
>>105396829Damn I didn't know she sang for that, how many ops/eds are holos singing this season?
>>105396921>nimi just massively underperformed on her birthday merch at a 50-50 cutProof?
>>105396921Kson already revealed that Holo get 50-50 cuts on (personalized) merch, retard
>>105396912>If Hololive some day actually did die, just starting to watch an indie oshi really doesn't come close to providing the same experience at all for a very engaged Hololive fanI wonder how many holofans would even watch streamers without hololive
>>105396894No, I didn't attack anyone
>>105396950lol no you shitposting tranny
>>105396951I outright hated streaming before hololive, so I would have nothing to go back to.
>>105395976The site that doesn't have me enter captchas 3-4 times when I'm on my phone.
>>105396952What are you doing then?
>>105396908Jealous cuckling
>>105396912I think indies will gradually take over Hololive when it comes to people who like streaming contentPeople who like the other stuff will stay with Hololive
>>105396836>Nimi out of nowhereI should've realized that you aren't retarded, just a faggot arguing in bad faith trying to get people to shit on Nimi and to undermine how much Holo makes from their merch
>>105396531>watch some tard talking about drama while she acts like a dumb whoreKiar...
>>105396973I have a 4chan pass, which I also have for my phone.
>>105396950>ksonholy mask off. you're not getting paid kid the dude is filing for bankruptcy>>105396940>over one hour to sell only 1k >no tariffs>no shipping>still hasn't sold out her other itemsshe's worse than shiori
>>105396982LMAO ANY TIME SOONITS BEEN YEARS
>>105396982>I think indies will gradually take over Hololive when it comes to people who like streaming contentYou may or may not be right, idk, but I don't see much evidence of this personally. Indies as a whole bloc seem like they're in decline, not ascendant
>>105396978If you're too dumb or lazy to comprehend the posts you're replying to I'm not gonna help you
>>105396982But do they have anything beyond streaming?
>>105396772Damn, thats really high quality
>>105397003Where's the proof that it's 50/50 since apparently that's the reason you believe it was a napling.
once upon a time
>>105396951I sure as hell wouldn't, I can't even watch my oshi play video games unless they're shit I played myself. Unfathomable to me that the majority of fans actually söy out over watching random fotm kusoge.
>>105396641Damn, your mother left you that early huh...
>>105396951I watch some much smaller fleshies but I'd have no interest in vtubers anymore.
>>105396982Indies are a crab bucket. Women require a strong hand, unironically.
>>105396841why is rui watching code gayass?
>>105397013Sounds like you are the lazy one for refusing to answer
>>105397029talking in third person is so out of vogue
>>105397030Deserved decline but still crazy to think about.
>>105396982Say this when there are enough indies who can match Hololive's popularity when it comes to streaming contents first. And by "indies" I meant actual indies, not ex-Hololive
>>105395992silly girls, you're supposed to collab first to raid the premiere
>>105397004I said gradually, like 5-10 years>>105397012>I don't see much evidence of this personallyHololive is shifting its focus away from streaming
>>105396792Made for rape
>>105397030A very different time... I miss /vt/ being capable of being the fastest board. FWMC's first karaoke was the fastest thread on 4chan for like an hour or 2.
>>105397047She's the code geass ambassador
>>105396780>>105396982how? by dropping google doc every 2 hoours?
>>105397003>>105396966Samefag
>>105397046>Women require a strong handyeah, some indies are taking boyfriends as managers, they are still declining tho
>>105396987I hate kiara
>>105397072Dumb nigger lmfaoSo outdated in your shit routine
>>105397030Just letting this board rot to death when we were propping up like a third of the site or whatever is crazy, that's some heroin addict level of self destruction on an organizational level
Using merch sales as a barometer for the state of the economy at large
>>105397095>by dropping google doc every 2 hoours?Yes chud that's the meta now and in fact /we/ all love it.
>>105396951If holo died I would stop watching vtubers at all, just would stick to the same old male streamers I've been watching for the past 10 years
>>105396829link it
>>105397057Are you going to answer the question or not, when did Nimi, or anyone involved with the merch, say it was a 50/50 split? Or are you making shit up just to seethe?
>>105397094>pizza buttnice
>>105397063There's a few who do already like Ironmouse
>>105396982Call when indies can average 4000 viewers on a lazy day like the weakest holosThen well talk
>>105397095This just looks silly
>>105397047Idk, but it's garbage and I'm tired of people pretending that it's good. Also modern anime is way better than most shit made in the 2000s
okbh is seething again
>>105396982...but the thing is, the notable Indies do not stream either.HoloEN has a minimum of 5 streams on normal days, enough to completely overrun any single channel>But what if the Indies band together I wonder what has happened to the many attempts at doing so.
>>105397104Unfortunately boyfriends can't have a controlling hand because he still needs pussy, and can't tell her to not collab with a crazy menhera whore who will probably blow up in 6-10 months just because she has some numbers.
>>105397119Grifterrat's numbers crumble the nanosecond she stops leeching off her fleshie masters
>>105397072Plenty of girls in all branches are streaming and dominating streaming numbers. It's not happening.
>>105397137They should all kill themselves.
>>105397119Ah yes, time to bring up the immortal make-a-wish kid
>>105396982sure, let me guess this so called indie is ex-holo or anyother ex-corpo again>>105396951I wouldn't, I already experienced the indie scene, most of em not even try to entertain, and wish a sudden magic that number will happen just because they using anime avatar
>>105397072It doesn't matter if they are "shifting their focus away from streaming" as long as they still stream - which they do. If indies will gradually take over, the top indies wouldn't be dominated by ex-corpo right now
>>105397139>he notable Indies do not stream either.What does that mean? Are you talking about Saba and Dooby?Streaming hours is one of the areas Hololive really sucks, they barely stream compared to non-Holo vtubers
>>105397116nigga that's you seething about nimi's merch game dropping to ID tier
>>105397137This probably breaks some global raiding rule over there
>>105397116Safe assumption factoring in production costs and ohmonah's cut
>>105397179>It doesn't matter if they are "shifting their focus away from streaming" as long as they still streamIf they stream less, if they have worse streamers, then people will eventually go somewhere else
>>105397119>And by "indies" I meant actual indies, not ex-HololiveAh, right, my mistake. I should've said "ex-corpo" rather than just "ex-Hololive". My point stands, thoughAnd one isn't "enough indies". I'd wait for dozens at least
>>105397119nigga her shit concert sales were fucking stagnating until she revealed some Holos were in itas for noombers she's been falling off at a steady pace since vshitshow died
>>105397136>but it's garbageanon, I think you may be retarded
>>105397137
>>105397188What the actual fuck are you talking about? You literally called >>105396713 a Napling, then said it was because she and Mint had a 50/50 split (>>105396921) and when asked for proof now you're saying I'm seething?
>>105396931Only Faumei, Kromei, Krofau, TimeRyS, BaeRyS, and Mubae existed. Trios like ORK and NOT too. Maybe Faubae during halloween, and FauRyS cause of switch sports/Pokemon?
>>105396985Nuke this dead board
>>105397191Aren't they literally always raiding that place? You'll notice it because posts about homos get downvoted most of the time. But when okbh raids, it suddenly will get like 1,000 upvotes and then locked.
>>105397191They literally linked to pirated concert content and didn't get banned for it. I don't think any leddit mod is paying attention to that sub.
>>105397215I don't watch popular indies but you can go on Twitch and have a look at the vtuber tag
>>105397187>lol my 400hours grifathon sleepathon
>>105397226asking questions you know the answer to is a telltale sign of schizos
>>105397137lmao
>>105397214>Eventually they will just get worse than whichever indie is currently writing up her next google doc
>>105396711>the content itself isn't greatI agree, if you mean their actual stream content. I think their strongest streamers right now are all JP, no one in ID and EN has that "fun" or proper "entertainer" factor IMO. I haven't watched an EN stream the whole week except for the Promise thing.
>>105397232Shill sisters is a thing even if it's sparsehelps that Promise been getting together at random just to shoot the shit nowadays
>>105397239Yeah but this makes it very obvious>>105397221
>>105397137ah yes the same sub that planned revenge cuck porns for holos
>>105397191gonna send it to the mods, would be funny if they shut down the sub
>>105397253Lmao what an actual nasty freak>NOOOO THEY WON'T LET ME KEK POST THERE
>>105397299Ye. >>105397253They're pretty much like those xitter retards that think they're fighting the good fight against the invisible unicorns.
>>105397221Rest of the year will be slow for them with no homoshit to pretend to care about so they gotta focus on retarded shit like that.
>>105397242Anon, look at /lig/. These are the "top indies" numbers today:>Numbers for 10/10:>1: https://www.youtube.com/@niminightmare (11,932)>2: https://twitch.tv/vedal987 (4,581)>3: https://twitch.tv/Shylily (3,665)>4: https://twitch.tv/Zentreya (2,932)>5: https://www.youtube.com/@KirscheVerstahl (2,747) *Combined>6: https://twitch.tv/henyathegenius (2,524)>7: https://twitch.tv/anny (2,468)>8: https://twitch.tv/Sykkuno (1,924)>9: https://twitch.tv/deme (1,801)>10: https://twitch.tv/Limealicious (1,758) *Tie>10: https://twitch.tv/chibidoki (1,734) *TieNow remove the ex-Holo / ex-corpos and tell me there were enough indies matching Hololive there(I haven't even bothered pointing out that most of those were Twitch numbers yet)
>>105397253>raided by some more prominent main sub usersThey are talking about helmite and some other people going there to correct blatant misinfo and anti shit.
>>105397337>https://twitch.tv/vedal987 (4,581)whoa what the fuck happened, wasn't he reaching like 9k?
>>105397253OKBH is the natural conclusion of homobegging, it is what happens after years of degradation.From>We just want unity and wholesome collabs between our boys and the girls! YOU'RE just a parasocial toxic antiTo>I hope your oshi gets raped by the Stars, Unichud.
>>105397337You asked for indies who can match Hololive's popularity and you got someNot sure what your point is
>>105397078>FWMC's first karaoke was the fastest thread on 4chan for like an hour or 2.4chan died during FWMC's first karaoke faggot
>>105396374I've always accompanied holofes in this thread or in ggg, and its been fineIt takes too much attention from the concert if it goes too fast anyway, i want to be able to actually focus on the concert rather than a thread
>>105397337What the hell happened to Vedal
>>105397277Gotta quickly get enough clips again for the next anniversary and show "Promise's" best moments
>>105397384Bullshit. I remember it very clearly.
>>105397253>click on the first guy's profile>he has his posts hiddenThat's the #1 sign for someone who is either a dedicated shitposter or who spends way too much time shitflinging on political subs
built to entertain investors
>>105397369>and you got some>all the list can't even get SC reading stream tier of numbers>the one outlier is an ex holo with a birthday streamDamn you're the full retard package
>>105397337>>105397283
>>105397384>>105397401 (me)Oh wait, it was their first ENGLISH SONGS karaoke. My bad
>>105397337is this the reason why niggers stoppped using Vedal to shit on holos?
>>105395976I will be in Japan so I won't be posting during that time
>>105397363Vedal on stream is a buff, also it was Neuro. Evil > Vedal > Neuro
>>105397369My point is that they don't. If they do, they would've gotten Holo-level numbers. You can look at that very list yourself - which would look even worse if you remove all corpo / ex-Holo / ex-corpo vtubers thereI also said that >And one isn't "enough indies". I'd wait for dozens at leastand there clearly aren't dozens indies matching holo runts there
>>105397437I don't know who any of these people are
>>105397337reminder that Twitch numbers need to be reduced by 75% to compare to Youtube
>>105397399Weird seethe, it's okay tranny the girls and I will keep having fun lolOr are you mad that Mumei get mentioned while a worthless cunt is not?
>>105397429Neat! Maybe post some photos after
>>105397429Are you going to hire a hooker to dress up as your oshi
>>105397422Vedal is like Cookie, sometimes people use a number they pulled out of context to shit on Holo but on average they're boring and bland streamers
>>105397115https://x.com/gnosia_off/status/1977034456411074747
>>1053974144.5k is what a HoloEN might get on a bad streamIt's also missing some popular ones like Ironmouse and FilianThe question was "find indies who can match Hololive", and they're right there, you can continue backpedalling but it doesnt really mean muchHololive is more popular now, but the way they're going they're going to eventually lose the EN audience who watches streams. They aren't hiring good streamers, and their career trajectory seems to be burning them out on trips to Japan and other mysterious behind the scenes work
>>105397460Who cares, Promise and Myth lost their 2 best members
kamos in the numbas thread
>>105397416I remember it well because their first karaoke was kino and I couldn't livepost because this shit site was dead and it was pre hack so there was no towa
>>105397496>The question was "find indies who can match Hololive", and they're right thereNo they're really not
>>105397489ThanksNot exactly the music genre I was expecting given the game OST
>>105397508Sex with pale hags
>>105397502How does one of the "best members" get 13K for her first birthday stream lmfao
>>105397253These guys don't realize how much they make normal fans detest holostars with this shit.There will be no peace until separation, and Cover realizes it which is why they're breaking the brands off bit by bit this year.
>>105397496Fillian's average is atrocious who are you trying to foolHell, Ironmouse needs to throw as many buffs and gadgets as possible just to match a Gremreaper stream
>>105397550So?
>>105397487>but on average they're boring and bland streamersHey just like Nimi
>>105397496>>105397502>>105397508>ligniggerslmfao well that explains the dogshit retarded takeskeep going sub-humans
>>105397496>The question was "find indies who can match Hololive", and they're right there, you can continue backpedalling but it doesnt really mean muchThat's not what that anon said. He said >And by "indies" I meant actual indies, not ex-Hololive>Ah, right, my mistake. I should've said "ex-corpo" rather than just "ex-Hololive"Ironmouse is an ex-corpo, not "actual indies" to him
Uh oh, melty
>>105397253>>105397137are the subhumans fantasizing about rape again?
>>105397590Why does it matter?
>Sudden doxxfaggotry
>>105397593liggers seethe when you tell them the truth
Why are her collabs with Mint so low viewed?
>>105397502NTA but that's not true for Promise. Fauna always had the lowest mindshare when you include the Japs. The two demographics that Fauna was popular in was EU and east coast USA (infamously the worse half of the country)Every single time there was any big event, she lost to IRyS, Kronii, and Mumei. And even Bae could beat her half the time.
>>105397094>anime on youtubeYoutube won't take it down?
>>105397598Still so fucking disgusting they did this
Filian mentioned
Still would, wouldn't stick around after
>>105396951The only streamer I watched before I found Hololive was Vinny and I'll go back to him if Hololive does crumble in to dust and no one else.
>>105397576How are they matching HoloEN when Fillian and Mouse do so poorly on a vacuum, at best they're matching HoloID
>>105397599Because most ex-corpo vtubers got their popularity from their previous corpos. Their popularities do not reflect the actual indie scene's growth (or lack thereof).
The 2 strongest indies are 2 ex hologirlsI'd be mad too if i was a lignigger tbqh
>>105397688Who fucking cares? I said that indies will eventually take over the streaming scene, not that they're more popular right now
>>105397253>We are the good guys because we talk about da boizz forget about the rape posting and anti tier jokes
>>105397630It's an official sponsorshiphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhoUe8q1KyQKinda based
>>105397618>Sub 100k VOD>Birthday stream Oh my God...
>>105397397AI slop fatigue
>>105397700Ironmouse owes absolutely none of her popularity to VShojo, it's the other way around if anything
>>105397716>I said that indies will eventually take over the streaming sceneI've heard this for years, it ain't ever happening lmfao
>>105397716>EventuallyI've heard that since 2021.
>>105397337Most of those are on par with shiori who is a holo
>>105397713Mint is stronger than Nimi lmfao
>>105397618>2 hours>13k CCVsub 100k VOD ???
>>105397751It'll happen if Hololive continues down its current trajectory
>>105397716>>105397748take a load of this stupid faggot lol
>>105397700the truth is corpos are dying while indies are growing TO THE MOON
>>105396951>I wonder how many holofans would even watch streamers without hololiveI didn't before and likely wouldn't after. Hololive is absolutely unique in that sense
>>105397496>>105397716Every time
>>105397780Your cope doesn't even exist Hololive's been operating the same yeah they have for years, your shitters are not inclining at all
>>105397780What current trajectory nigga the average of the entire branch is 7k, bigger than 2024 and six times more than the competition
Liggers are fucking wild. Miko, for example, can get 40-60k on random ass streams all the time. No ligger is even close to holoJP's mindshare. And liggers can't even beat holoEN's mindshare, lmao
>>105397807HoloEN as streamers have been declining
>>105397780>Hololive continues down its current trajectorySays nervous man for the past 5 years
>>105397731>>105397777Behold the power of one of the strongest indies, are you scared yet holokekarinos???
>>105397787Indies really are the future. When was the last time you saw something like this for Hololive, with major popular creators?
>>105397818Mousey could sell 600 concert tickets alone, take that chud.
wait a minute this shiori stream is just her farming for SCs
>>105397780its current trajectory of winning?
>>105397846Grim
>>105397819They are literally DOMINATING the EN vtuber scene and the only one that can put up a fight is Saba>>105397846Thanks for the cancer anon, btw you should show the playlist of shit numbers for it
>>105396982>>105396912When AKB48 or Morning Musume reclined, underground idols didn't take over. The idol scene just reclined with them significantly. Even when there are groups that took over AKB's #1 position in idol scene now, it hasn't yet recovered anywhere nearly where it was during AKB's peak.The same likely will happen if the big corpo (Hololive, Niji) all die - the scene will recline significantly for years until, if ever, the next very lucky group pops up.
>>105397818Only about 5 liggers can compete with HoloID and 1-2 can compete with the lowest common denominator in HoloENBut HoloEN has graduations six months ago! Take that unicels.
>>105397819>as streamersThat's a weird qualifier considering they were never only "streamers" from day one with two of the crowning achievements of the Mythmania era being>Mori's RIP doing massive numbers>Gura's karaokes likewiseWestern vtubing as a "streaming only" medium has been tried, the name was "VShojo". It died a fiery death because even if some people wanted to watch that NOBODY wanted to pay for that to exist.
>>105397508Im watching Kanna
>>105397780Grimmi already read Hololive's fortune they will have a really tough year while indies will soar
>>105397878Saba is hardly a threat too. Her gold conversion rate is in the gutter
Did Nimi Wonned Gold?
>>105397846Lmao asmongold? Really?!
>>105397846>FalseEyeD and AsmongoldCANCER MEETS AIDS
>>105397856She's not trying hard enough the shitties aren't out
Imagine being a fucking ligger.
>>105397879Who is going to be the Sashi of the vtuber industry? Because her idol groups are actually doing decently
>>105397879>The same likely will happen if the big corpo (Hololive, Niji) all die - the scene will recline significantly for years until, if ever, the next very lucky group pops up.Kind of like how the concept of vtubers dried up once the initial novelty of Kizuna dried up in the West and other JP vtubers didn't really appeal to the English market. There was a dry spell from like 2019-2020 where vtubers were unknown in the West until Hololive JP took off, and even then, indie vtubers were like 100 viewers at most until HoloEN blew things up and the rising tide literally turned Nyanners and Ironmouse from obscurity into being anywhere relevant.
>>105397846>in 2 years, first ever vtuber performance in a major Hollywood production - theme song by Mori Calliope>"where is your (Twitch nigger of the season) collab, holokeks?"
>>105397919Nimi won gold, yes
>>105397887Vshojo was shackled by being on twitch
>>105397887>That's a weird qualifierAre you even following the conversation? I said HoloEN will eventually lose the EN streaming scene and Hololive will only be for people who like the event stuff>Western vtubing as a "streaming only" medium has been tried, the name was "VShojo"You're so ignorant lmao, there's a million indie vtubers who just stream
>>105397948HOLY BASED
https://litter.catbox.moe/1duc6qfw97n2wni7.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/1bsbk095v9i5jfni.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/v2vzwl7wc35egybi.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/if2n9he6tgbe2ijb.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/tepc47hokkwe1eui.png
>>105397966>I said HoloEN will eventually lose the EN streaming sceneANYTIME SOON NOW TRANNY
>>105397846
>>105397780This trajectory?
>>105397496>4.5k is what a HoloEN might get on a bad streamoof, they've been getting that a lot when the raids/bots only go to a few people...
>>105397948Lol this post popped up in my feed as well.
>I said HoloEN will eventually lose the EN streaming scenelmfao
>>105397919She did. She also sold all her merch in an hour and a half. /#/ was predictably fuming.
>>105398010OH NO NO NO NO
My cute clockwife and rrat mistress later
>>10539801412 different HoloENs won Gold in September
i unironically like the way we are now minus the new jannies keep remove every minor shitposting its not too fast that the thread just turn into chat room
>>105397966If it couldn't happen during covid it's not happening. Just enjoy your indie whores as they are I'm sure they're all happy with the numbers.
>>105398030>hour and a halfthats really slow no?
>>105397996"eventually" means the opposite of "soon">>105398010Indie is literally bigger than Hololive on that graph, and it also includes everyone, I'm just talking about ENGod numberfags are dumb
>>105397628Bae would lose tho, was even losing in subs until she spammed vertical streams to gain like +3k each
>>105397723is jorklighten up, incelchud
>>105398010
>>105398046slower than shiori
>>105398036When will Kronii fuck Bae?
>>105398044>If it couldn't happen during covid it's not happeningYou mean the time when Hololive blew up and there wasn't an indie scene?
>>105398046See what I mean? This is the cope I mean. /#/ was boiling like this the entire time.
>numberfags
>>105398075what cope, that is really slow
>>105397403anon was right. i looked and a bunch of the homobeggars hid them recently so they're definitely coordinating.
>>105398046Longer than it took Shiori to sell her limited with more stocks and tarifs>>105398052>"eventually" means the opposite of "soon"No i'm pretty sure that's "later" you dumb niggerI guess 10 more years retard? see you later lol>>105398055Bae had bigger event than Fauna lol
>>105398055And yet, use all the cope you want, Fauna couldn't hit 1m subs without graduation begging by the saplings for weeks on end. BEGGING. She didn't make it with just the natural graduation buff
>>105397544>Raided offcollab 3D karaoke>Nimi with fucking Mint and some literal who, just like the concert Nimi had to hard carry the sales alone
>>105398046Hour and a half without tariffs.Remember when niggers in this thread made a scene when Gigi took 8 minutes to sell out? Yeah.
>>105398089>She didn't sell out her entire stock FAST ENOUGHOk, big bro. She won gold, btw
>>105398093Do they have an ESL program at your school you can attend?
qrd on this mindbroken ligger?
>>105398052You were talking about "trajectory", though. Going by the trajectory on those graphs, looks like Hololive's share has been growing while Indies' has been reclining to me
>>105398074There was still a scene lol. That was the peak time to grow and without it there isn't any chance for them with hololive ahead of the entire industry now.
>>105398113He's very mad.
>>105398103How about your bitch get some friends?>>105398106>no argumentAlrighty then i won tranny
>>105398052It's 4000 Indies against 70 Holos and the Holos are winning
>>105398113Nimi's core viewership is cratering >>105377671 >Oct 10 - Nimi Birthday (01:55:43 duration)4666 unique chatters2191 members>Aug 2 - 3D Swimsuit Reveal (01:13:38)5928 chatters3020 members>June 15 - 3D debut (01:25:07)8075 chatters3378 membersHer first major stream post-LLD shows she lost 35% of members>but her 3D showcase had a lot of membersMemberships don't cancel immediately. Her membership opened on Jan 18, so all of her day 1s would have renewed their membership on July 18 right before LLD happened on July 21And for a bonus I jumped back to pre-full form reveal...>April 18 - Elden Ring #11 (01:52:52)5535 chatters2344 members>April 17 - Elden Ring #10 (04:19:10)6901 chatters2902 members
>>105398116The graphs include JP, which unlike EN, is inclining hard>>105398118>That was the peak time to growNo it wasn't, it was Holos time to grow, it was the worst time for indies
>>105398144He will never admit how grim that graph is for indies compared to holos.
>>105397970???Who are these vtubers?
I replaced nimi with luluhttps://www.twitch.tv/lululasso/clip/ImpossibleHomelyCoyoteBudBlast-lWA4huEIeDzrl7v_?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
Why do you WANT to be bigger than hololive, when that will destroy the whole point of being indie lol
Nijibros I found the new Nijisanji EN wave...It's an all-male wave called Dantev and here are the names:Novex NovellaKira SparklegemRay RavencroftFluffy Koinu(Fuzzy Koinu failed the audition)...looks like some small corpo gen that won't last for a year. Nevermind.
>>105398140My argument is you literally don't understand what an English word means
>>105398176It's like bolshevism, they only want to destroy the government to become the new government.
>>105398180Well mine is that you're a nigger, i understand perfectly
>>105397487>but on average they're boring and bland streamersHey just like Biboo
>>105398178That generation....seems....rebellious.
>>105398153>Her debut is over>Unicorns left her>She lost only 35% of her viewersThat seems healthy to me.
>>105397966>I said HoloEN will eventually lose the EN streaming sceneI understand the chain perfectly and it is you that is missing my point. Hololive never had a "hold" in this mythical "stream only, don't care about stuff outside the livestream" category you are putting forward.Actually Hololive was BORN out of the huge demand for an alternative to that. Think about it, even back when HoloEN first debuted .... no, SPECIALLY when HoloEN debuted the meta for live streaming was Twitch streamers pulling six, seven, even, ten hour long streams because people were confined back home and had nothing better to do.If the Hololive initial audience had come from the same pool they would never have got off the ground in the first place AND, more importantly, VShojo would have absolutely dominated them by being in the right place for that>Twitchwith the right meta>long streams, nothing outside of streamsI understand the point you are making and correct me if I got it wrong>the fact HoloEN is priorizing "extra curricular" activities over streaming, having a much lower stream output than they have in late 2020 and early 2021, will push the part of the audience that is only interested in live streams into some competitor that provides thatMy counterpoint is>Hololive never had that particular audience in the first place in any significant numbers in proportion of the ones that want them to stream, sing, dance, appear live in the stage or in the studio and also hang with the JP girls
>"eventually" means the opposite of "soon">now let me call you ESL after saying this shitit's a jeet isn't it?
You all need to watch a stream or a vod or something instead of being angry.
>>105398212That anon is coping that her memberships will be half of what they are now next year
>>105397777It's not botted at all!
>>105398212>That seems healthy to me.Yeah reclining is healthy, can't wait to see the state of the next birthday lolIf there is any
>>105398212>only 35%>only 35%>only 35%
>>105398154Indies have had 5 fucking years to grow and Ironmouse has been pushed by more streamers than any Holo talent and they still haven't taken shit over.
>>105398217>Hololive never had that particular audience in the first placeYes it didVTubing in the West started with Hololive
>>105398255I see>>105398258>can't wait to see the state of the next birthday lol>If there is anyBut her debut buff is already over and the unicorns have already left her. Why would her numbers drastically go down now?
>>105398104Remember when they were talking shit about Shiori taking like 30 minutes during the time when tariffs were at their worst?
>105398198of course that's the brazilian napling LMAO
>>105398273>Indies have had 5 fucking years to growAnd they did grow
>>105398069Out of all of promise, theyre the furthest from each otherSo soon probably
>>105398274>VTubing in the West started with HololiveIt started with anon downloading live2D and jerking off, casual.
>>105398104>>105398286>Shitpost arbitrary time like a retard>Use the fact that you did this shitpost as an excuse to make the shitpost for everyone else afterClassic /#/ tactic.
>>105398176Most liggers just want to see hololive fail
>>105398306Bae just needs to offer herself to a drunk Kronii
>>105398317You know what I mean
>>105398253i am watching old flare karaokes
SHIORI RAIDED...Nobody actually, rare.
>>105398326That's why it's so funny when a new hololive gen has one of them like Ceci. They get SO FUCKING MAD, it's hilarious. Death to all liggers
>>105398178Damn, I was actually going to do a ripoff Council wave at the beginning of the next thread.I guess it wouldn't do as well as expected anyway.
>>105398322>10 straight months of Saplings shitting on Hololive>act surprised when you get accused of shitting on HololiveMaybe stop doing the former if you don't want the latter?
Shiori playing digimon next weekand didn't raid anyone. Weird, Ruze is on.
>no raidRuzesisters.. without the birthday obligation, our n*ji dicksucking is hurting our pity raid chances..
>>105398326Their oshi is gonna have her career go up in flames due to a google doc before they see that.
>>105398069Never. Kronii doesn't sexualize bae like everyone else
>Nijisanji>Vshojo>Phase (lol)>ex HoloWhy are they trying to use everyone against Hololive ?
>>105398268My brother in Christ, Sakuna averages 250k VOD views nowadays. She didn't have any drama about getting married or any male collabs or anything like that. The debut buff is strong and it always tapers out with time.So yeah, her losing only 35% of viewers with her debut buff over AND with the LLD looks pretty fucking strong. Objectively. This is supposed to be the number thread.
>>105398348Personally I'm watching a bot gamble.
>>105397355>main sub users raid main subare these faggots retarded?
>>105398366>will raid hololive karaoke rebroadcasts (Nerissa)>will not raid homo karaoke rebroadcasts (Ruze)That's another interesting one to add to the rulebook of Shiori raids.
>>105398091It's how you tell the difference between a well-intentioned idiot and someone who knows they're making shitty or offensive posts so they hide their history so they can't be called out for it. It's very common on political and shitpost subs.. At least sports fans wear their allegiances proudly and don't hide their shit.
>>105398274>Hololive never had that particular audience in the first place>Yes it did>VTubing in the West started with HololiveThere are two things I disagree here1) The full quote is "Hololive never had that particular audience in the first place in any significant numbers in proportion of the ones that want them to" do exactly what they're doing now2) You are restricting your thought exercise to Hololive and vtubers when the only competitors in the whole English speaking live streaming scene for Hololive are not vtubers.If there were ever a big exodus from the Hololive audience looking for live streaming focused content they surely would end up back where they started, with flesh streamers that already dominate Twitch.But my point is that there won't be any such exodus because that was never the profile of the Holo audience in the first place.
>>105398217
>>105398381Because they want the walled garden to fall. All are hololive's enemies. They hate hololive because CGDCT is not allowed. They're bitter people.
>>105397437indiefagsnever once
>>105398365>>10 straight months of Saplings shitting on Hololivemuh ebin falseflag
>>105398093Didn't Fauna beat her in normal streams, 3D showcase, and outfits? unless you're retarded and saying birthdays when Bae did 3D lives or random karaoke BIG announcements for new songs or whatever.
>>105398386Exactly how long do you think Nimi's debut buff lasted?3D debut was 5 months after Nimi's debut. 3D swimsuit was 7 months. Those Elden Ring streams are 3 monthsI'm guessing you think the debut buff ended on July 21?
>>105398393I wanna fuck roboco too
>>105398420Hololive offers streams and events. There are people who watch Hololive for both of these things. Denying there's people who enjoy Hololive for streams is fucking retarded, because they're the most popular streamers. I'm saying that the people who just watch for streams and don't care about events will eventually trickle out to other places because the trajectory HoloEN is going down is making them unappealing to people who like streams.
>>105398455Explain to me why her numbers will go down further from now on if she has no unicorns to lose. And now that you have established that you think there is no debut buffer period, you can't use that excuse.
>>105398198WHY TF ARE YOU ALIVE RIGHT NOW GO TO YOUR MINE BRAZILIAN TRANNY
>>105398488It goes down so long as she has viewers to lose.
>>105397846Damn this shit is POPPING off
>>105398488>Explain to me why something will happen that hasn't happened yet
>>105398377Yeah but they are hoping that it will happen before that
>>105398431I am at a loss, I'm not sure if you are strengthening my position by showing someone that not only fits the profile put forward by anon>someone providing for the "want lots of streams"but also takes part in "extra curricular activities" just like the rest of the girls (and if so, thanks!); or if you are trying to show a counterexample and failing to understand what was said
>>105398498Why? She has no unicorns to lose and the people that are there enjoy her content. Why would any drastic reclining happen?
>>105398102And Bae had to spam vertical karaokes and hold off her friend coming on stream until she hit 1 million. And you guys called Fauna a numberfag even though she listened to chat saying vertical streams suck to watch, cause that's more important to her than numbers.
>>105398519>and the people that are there enjoy her contentProof?
>>105398488>Explain to me why her numbers will go down furtherShe's not interesting, she has no friends to interact with except mint, HoloEN is a better optionGod you fags better fucking beg on your knees that there won't be a girl to take her time slot in EN5 or it's gonna get to insane level of grim
>>105398510Reminder to report nijisanji to the new Japanese prime minister, who is extremely anti-China, for purchasing Chinese viewfarms
>>105398455Nimi was already declining until Saba redebuted which boosted her back up a bit. The LLD did damage but she was falling anyway. Can't believe you faggots forgot your own >15k floor btw shitposting when you still do it to this day.
>>105398522Fauna is a confirmed numberfag - she plays games offstream that she doesn't think will get good numbersBae is a numberfag too, doesn't change that Fauna is
Oh yeah it's real copeling hours again
>>105398522You act like Bae was doing what FuwaMoco were doing, gaming streams vertically. You can call THAT numberfagging because vertical gaming streams are terrible.Bae was doing it for karaoke, and no one ever complained about that except that the CCV got debuffed
>>105398525>People watch Nimi because they don't like her>>105398529>Openly wishing for a new HoloEN to come in and compete with herNimi Antis aren't sending their best, I'm afraid. I accept your concessions.
>>105398488NTA isn't that always the case for indies and corpo? Interest will peter out overtime as more girls enter the scene. Without big events and collabs constantly to attract attention as you'd get in hololive. People said she had a 10k floor and that clearly isn't the case. Nothing to do with unicorns. Plus eventually she will have to go on breaks for family matters more often.
>>105398140nice argument for relying on bots and raids all the time to hit more than 4k lmao
>>105397030Did seriously everyone move to tower ?
>>105398571Hello, Kroniietard. One of the biggest Nimi Antis around. Haven't seen you here yet since Nimi won gold and sold her entire stock in an hour and a half. How you holding up?
>>105398587>implying only people who like her content watch herSo what happened to her debut viewers? They all liked her content on day 1 but decided day 2 they didn't like her content anymore?
>>1053979486k likes what the fuck i posted it and it was at like 1k yesterday
Start posting Biboo
>>105398488Nimi is like Biboo and kson, they're only le quirky with annoying voice, Fauna was sharing the runt position for 2 years but grew because the other holos would not stream and she was basically Gura's waiting room, if Biboo leaves holo she would recline too but Fauna was just plainly boring, i prefer listening to Mumei talking rather than those 3.
>>105398609How many shirts did you buy?
>>105398587I'm not whishing for anything, giving you a fair warning that this very thing might happen, she's already reclining regardless>>105398609Wdym i've been laughing since, shit stream, shit guests, no Saba or Dooby, BTFO by Shiori, Kronii moved way more merch than herHow's your chair
Is it true that Rosemi is joining Phase?
>>105398645Nimi, Biboo, and Kson are 3 very different streamers who you can't really compare at all
>>105398630
>>105398651>No cope trying to minimize it, just proceed to cuckpostingAlright, you didn't take it too well, I see. Good to know.
>>105398599Like Nimi who gets botted every stream
>>105398605Global made up a lot of /vt/'s activity. Further, I would say, even outside of global, /vt/ lost half of all posters. Most were hololive fans. Funny enough, some non-holo fans left for infinity too
>>105398674lol sad nigger i'm right here >>105398660
>>105398665the new phase gen graduated months ago, rosemi is too soon
>>105398605Yes
>>105398529>>105398571Samefag
> Ligger's "HoloEn will recline" stopped> Naplingcope start
>>105398630eww
>>105395962100k by holos in 20251. Holo new year afterparty (hololive/01-01)2. Pekomama Collab (Pekora/01-01)3. Mikorone part 1 (Miko/02-01)4. Mikorone part 2 (Korone/03-01)5. Ceres Fauna graduation (Fauna/03-01)6. Gomaku tourney draft (Miko/04-01)7. Gomoku tourney part 1 (Miko/05-01)8. 4th gen 3Dlive (hololive/05-01)9. Gomoku tourney part 2 (Miko/05-01)10. Janken tourney (Pekora/11-01)11. Pekora Bday 3D Live (Pekora/12-01)12. New years games festival (Towa/13-01)13. HoloX anniversary 3DLive (hololive/19-01)14. Sakamata Chloe graduation 3DLive (Chloe/26-01)15. Peko Vs Marine clubhouse game 51 (Pekora/02-02)16. Holo typing speed contest (Miko/01-03)17. Oozora Subaru anniversary 3D Live (Subaru/02-03)18. Sakura Miko Bday 3DLive (Miko/05-03)19. Murasaki Shion graduation announcement (Shion/06-03)20. Color Rise Harmony 1st Stage (hololive/08-03)21. Color Rise Harmony 2nd Stage (hololive/08-03)22. Color Rise Harmony 3rd Stage (hololive/09-03)23. Nanashi Mumei graduation announcement (Mumei/28-03)24. REGLOSS mini UNREAL 3D Live (hololive DEV_IS/30-03)25. Sakura Miko 2D Live debut (Miko/01-04)26. Inugami Korone Anniversary 3D Live (Korone/13-04)27. Gawr Gura graduation announcement (Gura/16-04)28. Otonose Kanade Bday 3D Live (Kanade/20-04)29. Amane Kanata Bday 3D Live (Kanata/22-04)30. Murasaki Shion Graduation 3D Live (Shion/26-04)31. Nanashi Mumei Graduation (Mumei/28-04)32. Gawr Gura Graduation (Gura/01-05)33. Which hololive member loves Subaru the most? (Marine/01-05)34. Spring Hololive Member Counseling Session(Subaru/06-05)35. Animal Tower Battle tournament (Lui/18-05)36. Miko Switch 2 lottery (Miko/03-06)37. Tsunomaki Watame Bday 3DLive (Watame/06-06)38. Todoroki Hajime Bday 3DLive (Hajime/07-06)39. Takane Lui Bday 3DLive (Lui/11-06)40. Sakura Miko Switch 2 lottery 4 (Miko/17-06)41. Kazama Iroha Bday 3DLive (Iroha/18-06)42. Sakura Miko Switch 2 GET announcement (Miko/22-06)43. AZKi Bday 3DLive (AZKi/01-07)44. Oozora Subaru Bday event (Subaru/02-07)45. Pekomama holomem totsumatchi (Pekora/16-07)46. Houshou Marine Bday 3DLive (Marine/30-07)47. Guess which holomem the present is from? (Miko/03-08)48. Best loser Smash tournament (Miko/06-08)49. Usada Pekora 6th Anniversary 3D Live (Pekora/31-08)50. Nakiri Ayame 7th Anniversary 3D Live (Ayame/03-09)51. Shishiro Botan Bday 3DLive (Botan/08-09)52. PekoLamy watermelon exploding offcollab (Pekora/15-09)53. Shirakami Fubuki Bday 3DLive (Fubuki/05-10)# of 100k streams last year: 58
>>105398667Yes, i can, and i did, and i told you why, don't get me wrong, i don't hate any of those for what they do, i just hate their voices.
>>105398718SEX
>>105398706Samefagging is when you reply to your own posts, why do you tag 2 post detached from each other?
>>105398517Yeah, was showing holoEN also has long streamers
>>105398605nah. tower still isn't as fast as global at its peak, but you have to understand that schizos like selenfag and kiaraschizos really pumped up the numbers here because guys here really fucking love replying to schizos and giving them attention
>>105398726>Yes, i can, and i didand you were wrong
>>105395962Recent Clip Numbers>>105388061>>105388073>>105388092
>>105397100>>105398706your retarded attempts to call others samefagging and the typing style exposes you as the same napling who was trying to shit on holo merch earlier
>>105398726Don't falseflag with my wife tranny faggot
>>105398645>>105398726>Nimi is like Biboo and kson, they're only le quirky with annoying voice>Kroniietard is not just a Nimi Anti but a Biboo Anti as well.Alright, this is good to know. Reminder Nimi Antis often try pretending that anyone that defends Nimi is a Hololive Anti.
>the brazilian schizo is here
>>105398743Kiaraschizo rules this thread
>>105398764I think it just exposes him as someone who doesn't watch streams because they're nothing alike
>>105398630fake bitch
>>105397733>>105397397Neuro got old over a year and a half ago but I will admit it can sing.
>>105395962* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY * >55,693: Luna (Hololive)>38,032: Lauren (Nijisanji)>27,644: Kanae (Nijisanji)>22,917: Pekora (Hololive)>20,717: AZKi (Hololive)>14,386: NeruMero (Indie)>14,260: Subaru (Hololive)>14,223: Yashiro (Nijisanji)>13,607: Watame (Hololive)>13,041: ReGloss (Hololive)>12,441: ExAlbio (Nijisanji)>11,693: Aki (Hololive)>11,665: Bijou (Hololive)>10,936: Koyori (Hololive)>10,129: Ina (Hololive)
>>105398764You wish i was nigger >>105398760 you're just that desperate
>>105398760>falseflagi'm just saying what i think
>says someone is samefagging>they arent even replying to the same post????
>>105398768lol he wishes. he gets drowned out by basically every other schizo we have here which is why he has to run to the catalog to make kiara bait threads and randomly bring up /#/
>>105398768i blame /#/ for this shit
>>105398803>>105398804Why are Kroniischizos such Holoantis?
>>105398169>>105397970looks like fulgurs previous persona
roboco lost all her money...
Man I hate Cloverpit. Why does that 666 shit even exist
>>105398822Nice try ligcuck
>>105398837Nimi Gold
>>105398645>Fauna was sharing the runt positionKiara was the runt, then Sana, then Bae when Sana graduated, then Shiori, now if we go by subs with Justice, it's CC.
>>105395976I'll post /here/, I don't like Towa when big shit happens because no delay means hyperfast threads
>>105398768he rules because nobody watches kiara here
>>105398848Fauna was below Bae in subs for a very long time
>>105398845>admiting to being a ligcuckYeah see you next year for the next one LMFAO
>>105398870I didn't admit to such a thingNimi won gold, though
>>105398848NTA but Fauna and Bae were swapping places every week during grim era for subs runt until Advent debuted. In the end, Bae took the clear lead until Fauna begged for subs
>>105398879>until Fauna begged for subsBut she didn't, everyone begged for her.
>>105398879>grim erawhy are you guys obsessed with this time period
>>105398870You think there will be more than one? lol
>>105398877>Nimi won gold, thoughTrue, when do you think the next one will be?
>>105398742>long streamers she's literally the shortest streamer
>>105398894Don't know, but any time an indie wins gold, it's very noteworthy indeed. Reflects very well on Nimi and Saba.
>>105398891The value of Fauna as a streamer depends entirely on the fact that she streamed on that period of time Nothing before or after matters.
>>105398913why are you guys obsessed with Fauna
>>105396808I haven't used the "front" page of a 4chan board in like 20 years.
>>105398824reallly? what about the girl?
>>105398912>but any time an indie wins gold, it's very noteworthy indeed.This is so sad
>>105398891What are you seething about now? Fine, I'll reword it just for beggars like youFauna was fighting for the subs runt spot since August 2022 until around November 2023From December 2023 until December 2024, Fauna was the undisputed subs runtHappy?
>>105398274nah it start with kizuna ai
>>105398929dont know the girl
this shit is gonna be fun to watch unfold
>>105398926nta but just like i said in my post, Fauna could only grew because of other holoEN not streaming and being the waiting room for Gura, without those she's a shitter like right now
>>105398932Are you now pretending that indies are at the same level as hololive? You really willing to shit on hololive this hard just to be a seething Nimi Anti? You do you.
Fauna was never interesting and she was always a bad yapper. I don't know what people are thinking when they say she had good zatsu streams/segments. I just find it hilarious that she wanted to announce her marriage as Fauna and that's actually why she graduated with such a bitchy and smarmy attitude. "I like being an idol" rings as hollow as it did then as it does now. If you're getting married no one online fucking cares and you only serve to crater your credibility, man or woman.
>>105398679Proof? Show me her inclining to 19k like Mori with SOTN, 21k like IRyS with the cleaning game, 45k like Biboo with Bloodborne, or even Kiara inclining for exactly 6 hours to 10.8k with Blue Prince. Or how about all the E33 bots?
>>105398912>but any time an indie wins goldThere are only 2 indies than can. and 1 of them get a gold every 3 months...
>>105398956NOFREAKINGWAY
>>105398984Yes, that's why it's noteworthy and why it reflects very well on those that manage to do it. Also, as much as I hate to give the devil their due, Mint sometimes does it as well.
>>105398988Unfortunately, this is a meme. It seems unlikely
>>105398966>because of other holoEN not streamingspecifically Ina. she was dead in overlap before Ina left
>>105398929Nijien Millie as her previous persona Lyrica. Don't know why it's posted here.
>>105398968>indies indies indiesHer name is Saba nigger, don't ever forget it
Daily reminder that this world would be a better place if Nimi just stopped existing.
>>105398980>45k like Biboo with BloodborneENTER ENNAKEK
>>105398956If real, that would mean she was poached during her previous job. That's cold.
>>105398861No?>>105398879>until Fauna begged for subsmaking shit up, of course
>>105399020basado
>>105398966Fauna only declined because of the marriage announcement, before that she was at the top because she's a good streamer
>>105398968>>105398997>it's literally just a ligcuck
>>105399020no, actually if vtubers never existed
>>105398956>Phase Connect picking up sloppy Nijisanji secondsGrim.
Oh the kroniicuck poster is back
>>105399043How the fuck am I a ligcuck for saying that an indie managing to get gold over a hololive is noteworthy and reflects well on the people that do it? Hello?
>>105399045Her history with niji males will make that very funny
>>105399020scorned sapling
>>105398997>Mint sometimes does it as well.The Gold she won this month due to her birthday is the first Gold she won the entire year
>>105399058>How the fuck am I a ligcuckYou are, that's the whole reason you're even ITTYour nigger ass was not around until she got that pity goldNow you're gonna fade back into nothingness since she won't be getting another one anytime soon
>>105399031Wouldn't surprise me at all.We know for certain that Vshojo was in the DMs of holos, honestly probably tons of holos we don't even know about, and the more prominent Nijis. Phase almost certainly is too, but they just can't offer anything very compelling to most 4views. But being a Nijifemale in NijiEN has been so grim for so long, Phase starts to look really good.
Where is my Fornite arc I was promised victory
>>105399094>getting genuinely mad that someone you don't like won your made-up competition
>>105399041If she was a good streamer she wouldn't decline because of a marriage announcement
>>105398485>Denying there's people who enjoy Hololive for streams is fucking retardedIt would be. There is no such denial in the post you are replying tho, only that they don't make for the main profile of the Hololive audience>I'm saying that the people who just watch for streams and don't care about events will eventually trickle out to other places because the trajectory HoloEN is going down is making them unappealing to people who like streams.And my point is that if that were the case, if there was such an "stream or bust" audience in any significant numbers, what you predict would have happened a long time ago already because outside of late 2020 and most of 2021, as soon as it was possible to do anything outside their homes the output for Hololive decreased significantly already.I'll let the numbers talk. Raw data is athttps://files.catbox.moe/gkqww5.csvwith >data, min_date, max_date, num_streams, hours_streamed, days, streams_per_day, hours_per_dayIf anything of what you predict would come to pass it would have done in what this thread calls derisively the "GRIM ERA", that absurd drop in activity between mid 2022 and early 2023 going all the way into Advent's debut.But it didn't, if much Hololive only got stronger (heh) with the fact the girls got their 3D debuts, got studio access and got more opportunities to shine.Any significantly large audience that would get turned off by low streaming output likely did "trickle out" back in late 2022 / early 2023 and, with the exception of a particularly busy August this year, both "streams per day" and "hours per day" are at a very healthy level for the branch.>late response because I was readying the data and the visualisation
>>105399020But what if Nimi converts to Christianity and preaches the word of God?
*OCTOBER 11TH FINAL EN TALLY*>13,077: Nimi (Indie)>10,427: Cecilia (Hololive English)>9,976: FUWAMOCO (<3) (Hololive English)>9,575: Bijou (Hololive English)>5,667: Raora (Hololive English)Congratulations to Gigi Murin and Cecilia Immergreen for achieving 100 collabs together, cheers for 100 collabs more. Gold for Nimi Nightmare and her birthday stream, Silver for Cecilia and Gigi's playthrough of Backseat Drivers, and Bronze for FUWAMOCO's first (extra) playthrough of Silent Hill F.>RANKING PER POINTS (Gold = 3, Silver = 2, Bronze = 1)Raora, Saba = 8pBijou, Gigi = 7pNimi, Calliope = 5pFUWAMOCO, Cecilia, IRyS = 4pBaelz, Mint = 3pIna'nis = 2pNerissa, Elizabeth = 1p
>>105398956Phase is still releasing new ones? They can't even get their current ones to be successful.
>>105399112any Holo is gonna decline from a marriage announcement
>>105399094>Pity goldWhat does this mean? She won the gold, bro. You can try minimizing it, but it happened. And it is noteworthy because she is an indie and indies getting gold over hololives, does not happen. Which is obviously not a ligcuck position. It reflects well on Nimi. Good for her.
>>105399110Laughing is more like it but you can keep on coping for as long as you want ligcuck
It bothers me when a post uses decline instead of recline
>>105399132Wrong.
>>105399126Hooray! Congratulations, Nimi.
>>105399020This but ollie
>>105399126OCT 2025 EN GOLD10/1 - Saba - No, I'm not human: 15,70310/2 - Mint - 3D Debut: 22,72710/3 - Calliope - Metal Gear Solid A: 20,62210/4 - Raora - Pokemon Emerald: 15,43710/5 - Saba - Alien Isolation: 17,73610/6 - Baelz - Stellar Blade: 11,01910/7 - Raora - Powerwash Simulator: 12,60910/8 - Bijou - Pokemon TCG Box Opening: 15,67310/9 - Hololive English - Promise 2nd Anniversary 3D Live: 31,04610/10 - Bijou - Monster Hunter Wilds: 11,63310/11 - Nimi - Birthday Stream: 13,077PER COMPANY7x: Hololive English4x: IndiePER STREAMER2x: Raora, Bijou, Saba1x: Hololive English, Baelz, Calliope, Nimi, Mint
>>105399110Happens every hologold.
>>105399157It's natural, it's a hallmark of someone not familiarised with the "malapropisms" this thread uses meaning a tourist or a newfag
>>105399139>What does this mean?>Birthday stream>No overlap>13Kthat's the pity part, and no it really doesn't reflect good on her, that's why you're crying, because the recline is very obvious
>>105399126Pity Gold. Doesn't count.
>>105398973>Fauna won 3 awards>Gura won 2 awards>Fuwamoco won 2 awards>Mori won 1 award>Biboo won 0 awardsgrim faces of EN, huh
>>105399173OCT 2025 EN SILVER10/1 - Calliope - CloverPit: 13,54610/2 - Raora - Minecraft: 15,83710/3 - IRyS - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 19,66010/4 - IRyS - Promise Anniversary: 14,05610/5 - FUWAMOCO - Super Mario Galaxy: 13,64810/6 - Cecilia - Elden Ring: 9,67410/7 - Gigi - Baby Steps: 9,31210/8 - Saba - At Dead of Night: 14,89310/9 - Gigi - Goblin Cleanup: 12,25710/10 - Ina'nis - Monster Hunter Wilds: 10,12910/11 - Cecilia - Backseat Drivers: 10,427PER COMPANY10x: Hololive English1x: IndiePER STREAMER2x: IRyS, [Gigi, Cecilia]1x: FUWAMOCO, Ina'nis, Saba, Calliope, Raora
>the 13K Birthday stream with 0 overlap reflect good on herPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
>>105399192Nah, I'm celebrating her gold. You even accused me of only being here because I'm celebrating it. Make up your mind.
>>105399213How big is CC's ass?
>>105399126Is this her first gold since?
>>105398956honestly probably a better move than trying to make it as an indie since mint probably wouldn't let her leech
>>105399222>Getting a gold over Hololive is not an achievementt. ligcuck
>>105399223>celebrating the reclininglol
>>105399026That was 85k, this was a 45k botted incline
>>105399220OCT 2025 EN BRONZE10/1 - Gigi - The Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion Remastered: 9,93110/2 - Elizabeth - Unarchived Karaoke: 12,24510/3 - Gigi - No, I'm not Human: 14,16110/4 - Nimi - BONK: 9,87910/5 - Nerissa - Unarchived Karaoke: 13,63710/6 - Gigi - Unarchived Karaoke: 9,63510/7 - Bijou - Clover Pit: 9,07410/8 - FUWAMOCO - Super Mario Galaxy: 5,69210/9 - Bijou - 3D VR Chat: 9,38410/10 - Nimi - Eclipsium: 7,95910/11 - FUWAMOCO - Silent Hill F: 9,976PER COMPANY9x: Hololive English2x: IndiePER STREAMER3x: Gigi2x: FUWAMOCO, Bijou, Nimi1x: Nerissa, Elizabeth
>>105399114It's more about the streamers than the output, having a low output doesn't help either thoughHololive hasn't been hiring good streamers. Good streamers have also left. It also isn't a very conductive enviroment to streaming. If it continues that way for years to come, people will slowly leave. You saying that there's strictly two camps of Hololive enjoyers and the minute something bad happens to the streaming side of Hololive they will all immediately jump ship is just an incredibly black-and-white, childish view of things. Human behaviour doesn't work like that, change happens gradually
>>105399242Since August 21st. However some context is needed, that day there were only two entries in the tally since the only HoloEN that streamed that day was Kiara, due to AFO.The last time she had won Gold against a proper competition had been July 21st. The funny day.
>>105399032Yes? What's the point in lying? Fauna was behind Bae in subs for almost the entire end of her career.
>>105399143I don't see anyone laughing
>>105399196Kronii had 40K for her BD btw, you can cope about it being an outfit but then again nimi's outfits all done shit so far so lol>>105399302>The last time she had won Gold against a proper competition had been July 21st. The funny day.pffffffft
>>105398716>>105398790Mods this guy is samefagging
>>105399286>Hololive hasn't been hiring good streamersWait is Biboo an intern or something?
>>105399286>Good streamers have also left.You have to stream to be a good streamer.
>>105399286>10 >MORE>YEARS
>>105399286The talents that have left had a terrible streaming output, though. How could they attract the "streaming only camp" without streaming?
>>105399268Looks natty to me, if much a little bit in the culled side
>>105399286Name a single good streamer that left EN
>>105399112She hit 10k 3 times this month, with Megabonk hitting 9.8k.
>>105399315Been laughing at her getting BTFO by shiori since last night lol
>>105399335Biboo is basically the one one they hired post-Council>>105399370I'd say they lost 1.5 good streamers in Fauna and Mumei, still signifcant though
>>105399126Deserved. She's the best streamer.
>>105399394>MumeiShe literally did not stream lmao how can you possibly justify including Mumei but not Gura you retarded threadshitter
>>105399394Mumei, the streaming focused streamer who streamed twice per month and whose only good numbers came when performing
>>105399213Boooooring, where's the tits?
Name 10 good streamers
>>105399417Mumei streamed sometimes. Which is why I say .5Gura was a good streamer but she didn't stream at all for years
>>105398105we have ranked how fast the merch sells out since forever retard, lurk for 10000 more years
>>105399386Botted
>>105399394>MumeiCome on now. Fauna was literally the only frequent streamer that left and she's obviously having too much going on in her new family to keep it going. If your cope is 10 years later liggers will overtake hololive when there is no sign of it now what is the point of all these cope tales?
>>105399394>Great streamersBibooCC>Good streamersFWMCGG>Subpar streamersShioriNerissaERBRaora
>>105399126NIMISWEEP
>frequent streamer>Fauna
>>105399394If the point is>They stream a lotThen FWMC and Gigi should be in too, FWMC just finished a 10 hour stream
>>105399443Miko, Pekora, Fubuki, Korone, Subaru, Marine, Kanata, Okayu, Koyori, Jackie achan
>>105398998idk, Dizzy is there, Fishman seems dedicated to defiling tsunderia's corpse
>>105399487>#4 in hours streamed with only 5/12 monthsBiboo strong
twitch is legit now
>>105399487>that left Among Gura, Ame, Mumei, yes.
>holo vs holo>holo vs exholois everyone else really that boring that even the shitposters never want to talk about them?
>>105399213wheres Gigi
>>105399543Hololive will be over.. IN 20 MORE YEARS
>>105399538finally we can fuse the youtube tally with the twitch tally
>>105399445Mumei hardly ever streamed and when she did stream anything other than unarchived karaoke she often got disappointing numbers despite the potential rarity buff. You are just making shit up.
>>105399538Is this new?
>>105399305>2024wow, I remember the end of 2023 with Mocosanta doing a vertical stream... Hmm, I wonder who started abusing the system with vertical karaokes and getting like 3-4k subs each time.
>>105399202I don't really care about the numbers, the unearned smug bitchiness she had during her graduation announcement was wholly unearned because she wasn't actually abused like people love to throw around when it comes to Hololive graduations. It's also just a fact that she was a wet blanket in every Holo collab as well.
>>105399573>napnigger still seething at the rrat
>>105399335Quantity =/= Quality
>>105399538>If you have a lot of streams (more than a normal viewer could reasonably watch)Until we know the number of allowed streams is exactly 1, then no it's not legit.Also, embeds are still not addressed and muted streams are also not addressedAt best this puts Twitch around 3:1 instead of 4:1 to Youtube
>>105399586Be kind to each other.
>>105399596Fortunately my Biboo has both in spades
>>105399571NTA but>rarity buffWhy do people keep misusing this? Rarity buff does not exist, it's event stream buff. If you stream less your numbers will go down.Mumei's numbers were not bad in any case, they were mostly in the middle and when she was streaming more she could gain tourists.
>>105399616Biboo spades?mmmm
>>105399605you address it as if all viewers are multi tabbing which isn't the case.
>>105398173Honestly she sounds more like Pillowdear to me then Nimi
>>105399465CC cannot be a great streamer with how little she streams and how short those streams are
>>105399631I never claimed that
>>105399452Nope. She isn't HoloEN anymore.
>>105399631retard
>>105399631>which isn't the caselollmao
>>105399286>It's more about the streamers than the output, having a low output doesn't help either though>Hololive hasn't been hiring good streamersAh, come on, that's a completely different topic altogether and one that is so subjective I have zero interest in discussing. It's a dumb one too, considering the latest HoloEN hire debuted more than a year ago.> It also isn't a very conductive enviroment to streaming. >If it continues that way for years to come, people will slowly leave.That's a thankful return the original subject, people leaving Hololive because of not enough streaming.On that point I made my argument at >>105399114 and even an "years long" prediction coming from your argument would certainly have been proved right now, no? Three years have passed since the GRIM era, that should have been enough time for the prediction to materialise.But it didn't, VShojo (the streaming specialist company) died, their former stars now turned Indies are all in a steep recline from their 2021 / 2022 numbers, Twitch vtubers are likewise spinning their wheels, either stagnated or reclining and going around in a never-ending circular firing squad and, numberwise, the only "saving grave" for the indie vtubing world right now comes from the singing, dancing, 3D live performing, live concert presenting holos turned former Holos and, even then, in a very watered down form (numberwise)In short: I disagree. I disagree that Holos have any low output now in relation to much dire eras, I disagree that low streaming output would cause any significant dent on Hololive audience, I disagree that even a "slow trickle out" would be noticeable considering the "slow trickle in" caused by the "rabbit hole" would offset that and also disagree that the quality of Holo hires>which I'm not entering in the merit of the claim because I genuinely like themwould impact in any of these points in a way that they wouldn't have done when they got hired in the first place.
>>105398354What goes through Shiori's mind?
>>105399465Drop Biboo 2 tiers and drop CC 1 tier. The unlisted members go in the bottom tier with the rest.
>Open thread>If Hololive died>Male streamers>Bunch of faggots>Keeps thread openRight thread i guess.
>>105399683Drop your mother down the stairs
>>105399661>saving grave
>>105399487Fauna was a frequent streamer yes, even if some people streamed more than her.For comparison, Nerissa has 274 hours in 2025 so far and Ina has 281 hours so far
>>105399618>Rarity buff does not exist,It absolutely does. When Gura started streaming often her numbers would go down
>>105399487>Highest Average#2 of EN, behind Gura of course.
>>105399286Biboo and GG stream for like 5-7 hours every other day, what are you talking about
>>105399710>even if some people>most of the branchlmfao
>>105399706I blame it on touch typing, not proof reading and Mori seducing me and putting these words in my mind
>>105399710Is that with her 40 hours of rebroadcasts?
>>105399573So in other words, Fauna was below Bae in subs for a very long time, like I said. Probably longer than she was ever above Bae but socialblade doesn't go back further and I don't know which other site tracks back far enough
>>105398825good, her only value is to be groomed
>>105399750yes, its dire
>>105399586lmao what
>>105399618>Why do people keep misusing this? Rarity buff does not exist, it's event stream buff. If you stream less your numbers will go down.Are we going to have another 1 hour timeloop where I post evidence that every time Gura came back from a long absence she would get really high CCV for her first few streams and then keep reclining all the way down to like 15k if she stuck around long enough while you keep moving the goalposts while shitting and pissing yourself? Because I'm up for it if the last 20 times we've gone through that exact process weren't enough.
>2 non JP Holo members doing anime openingsSasuga
>>105399616>Biboo>Spadespebcuck...
>fuck off to go out having a great time eating with friends>back and liggers still seethinggod it's fucking weekend
>>105399749>Mori seducing meUnderstandable.
>>105399785stfu hololive is dying
Three day weekend and no holo streams until Mori & Amalee
>>105399596One day im going to find out where this bibooschizo lives
>>105399814thought you said until Mori & Ame...
>>105399810More like this board is dying
>>105399722Yeah because when she streamed less her only streams would be big tourist streams and popular games and when she streamed more she'd have to play more and more slop which most people didn't want to watchGo look at Suisei's stream CCV this year compared to other years and let me know how that "rarity buff" is working for her>>105399772You're not even reading my argument. I don't give a fuck about Gura btw. I've talked about this for a lot of vtubers. It's well known that streaming less has always been a CCV debuff. Getting higher CCV on a comeback stream where people might tune in for news because they want to know what the fuck was going on is not a "rarity buff" because it only lasts for maybe one stream at most and only if people are expecting something
>>105399605>muted streams are also not addressedTabs and muted streams are just youtube norms not streaming norms. In fact I find it way more useful to count as a viewer' while listening to my oshi's zatsu then being obliged to watch the screen like a zombie. This is more like a yt L if anything.
>>105399814raora forced Gigi to stream at her hours like always
>>105399710I don't really care about hours streamed. So much so I won't even bother to make a nice looking spreadsheet. But I also won't have you pretending Hololive is in a critical state with few hours streamed>hours streamed Jan - SepKoseki Bijou 1022Takanashi Kiara 649Gigi Murin 573Calliope Mori 546FUWAMOCO 502Raora Panthera 502Hakos Baelz 448IRyS 439Shiori Novella 438>Nimi Nightmare 417Cecilia Immergreen 392Ouro Kronii 373Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame 269Ninomae Ina'nis 261Nerissa Ravencroft 255
>>105399785I liked the Jahy-sama ED.
>>105399871please add our lord and savior saba
>>105399871damn, I didnt know CC was that low
>>105399871>Cecilia that lowhuh I thought she streams a lot, the timezone bias is real
>>105399871did you add erbs twitch hours
>>105399710>>105399746Not entering in the merit of whatever the fuck you guys are discussing but being a "frequent streamer" certainly has to do with frequency, meaning "number of streams" and not number of hours streamed.To help one of you to make your point, here is the number of streams for each HoloEN girl for 2024>num_steams: nameEn>329: Fuwamoco>269: Koseki Bijou>259: Mori Calliope>207: Shiori Novella>198: Hakos Baelz>192: Nerissa Ravencroft>186: Takanashi Kiara>167: Raora Panthera>167: Ceres Fauna>151: Cecilia Immergreen>134: Gigi Murin>129: Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame>122: Ouro Kronii>122: Ninomae Ina’nis>121: IRyS>82: Nanashi Mumei>57: Watson Amelia>31: Gawr GuraIMO Fauna was not a particularly frequent streamer, what she used to be (before clearly burning out) was a *consistent* streamer in choice of slot, content and style.
>>105399836RAINFOREST!?
>>105399894lmao, the fucking sad doggo face
>>105399871anon pulled the numbers, now lets see how he responds, a goalpost move? a no u? a deflection to holo? a mask off? or an actual post with numbers?
>>105399848>It's well known that streaming less has always been a CCV debuffThe highest CCV EN vtuber in history barely streamed for half of her career and she never lost that position. >Getting higher CCV on a comeback stream where people might tune in for news because they want to know what the fuck was going on is not a "rarity buff" because it only lasts for maybe one stream at most So it's not a rarity buff, it's just a buff that you only get when you stream after a long period without streaming and then it goes away if you stream too many times... I wonder if we could come up with a name for that buff... maybe the "spending a long time without streaming" buff or the "not streaming too often" buff?
>>105399894>Showing abuse of this magnitude.
>>105399871>But I also won't have you pretending Hololive is in a critical state with few hours streamedI never claimed that. I just don't like people revising history to make up stuff.
If we kill nimi can we get fauna back?
Large sold out.
>>105399871>Koseki Bijou 1022>Takanashi Kiara 649>Gigi Murin 573the top 3 ENs
>>105399912>>105399710>>105399746For completeness sake, to pick a period where she would be considered "frequent", here is 2023 for the same data>num_steams: nameEn>254: Mori Calliope>233: Hakos Baelz>214: Takanashi Kiara>209: Fuwamoco>178: Ceres Fauna>146: Koseki Bijou>139: Ninomae Ina’nis>137: Watson Amelia>131: IRyS>119: Ouro Kronii>118: Nanashi Mumei>114: Nerissa Ravencroft>88: Shiori Novella>34: Gawr Gura
>>105399895Saba didn't debut early enough into the year, it's a little unfair to her>>105399909No. I don't care about Twitch
>>105400017I forgot to show you my recent ovulation fluids! This is how a girl can tell she's ovulating (pregnancy window is 2 days per month roughly!), the slime is string-like but not breaking and very structrued. That's how I know my womb is begging to be plapped by you
>>105399901>>105399907CC got busy during the anniversary prep + 3D debut prep + AFO periodshe streamed more at the beginning of the year
>>105400017People often say one chuuba sounds like another, and its usually not true, but this girl LITERALLY sounds exactly like Fauna
>>105399991
>>105399227
>>105400093You can keep forcing this but no one actually believes you.
>>105400077Remember to add two more days because the sperm can survive for that long inside the body and two more days because the egg can survive (and still be fertilised) two days after ovulation making it a five day window to take advantage of OR to avoid depending on your goal
>>105399871man, 2025 really ruined Mori's stream output
>>105397337Shylily fell off or rather she was 100% botting herself to look bigger and it doesn't work quite as well anymore (but even this numbers are not 100% natty)
>>105400086I mean, that didnt seem to affect Gigi and Raora much
if no EN5 this year holoEN is kill 100%
>>105400093Actually i listened to that and i changed my mind, she doesnt sound like her
>>105400097Based on what I assume to be the margins for a plushie as opposed to for a jacket, I would absolutely pass on it for a new release and I now understand the reluctance of both Mio and Hololive in reissuing her hoodie.
>>105399909Just looking at her twitch VOD channel she has about 60-65 hours so far, not gonna bother adding them down to the minute
>>105400114Nigger listen to the clip
>>105399955>The highest CCV EN vtuber in history barely streamed for half of her career and she never lost that position.Yeah, because she was more popular to begin with .Her streaming less isn't why she became popular, that's dumb.>it's just a buff that you only get when you stream after a long period without streaming and then it goes away if you stream too many timesHere's the thing. It lasts for maybe one or two streams at most and then goes away as soon as people figure out there's nothing going on. Also, if you keep taking breaks and coming back then eventually people will get used to it and any potential buff disappears so then it's just your audience who tunes in. So this "rarity buff" realistically affects only a few streams a year. Which is why I get annoyed when people imply that someone's overall CCV is higher because of rarity buff when it affects only a few streams out of the total and the bleed from people forgetting that you exist or switching to other oshis is probably more relevant..
>>105400086Everyone had an anniversary+AFO and the rest of Justice also had their 3D debuts obviously. She just doesn't stream a lot, she skips quite a few days for someone in her (up until recently) first year and her streams are almost always short other than specifically her weekend Souls marathons which she doesn't do that often.
>>105400170>So this "rarity buff" realistically affects only a few streams a year.which was Guras schedule more or less. With some extras on top being other big event buff content for birthday/anniversary/new outfit/2.0 update etc etc
>>105399126Well deserved.
>>105400039based
Who has streamed less, Saba or Nerissa
why is sounding like a girl from hololive so important to liggers?
>>105400157Honestly probably depends on the manfuacturer. Ohmonah is used to making clothes and probably has it easier than the manufacturers that Cover uses. It's not really consistent across the board. I feel like if it was easier for Cover to make clothes they WOULD consistently have actual sizes instead of the one size fits all shit.
>>105400254>liggersThis is the nimischizo but he found a new girl to try to shill instead of pillow
>>105400254because both Nimi and her are liggers, however that other girl isnt getting married
>>105400170>Her streaming less isn't why she became popularObviously but it also clearly didn't debuff her either>It lasts for maybe one or two streams at most and then goes away as soon as people figure out there's nothing going onSo if you stream more than once or twice in a short period of time you lose that buff, you say? Almost as if... no... it can't be...>Also, if you keep taking breaks and coming back then eventually people will get used to it and any potential buff disappears so then it's just your audience who tunes in.Demonstrably not what happened with Gura who would always benefit from buffed numbers after being inactive for a while despite how many times it happened.
>>105400122Eh, sololives always hurt it badly. Plus that lung thing was really fucking with her most the year that kept her from doing those 8+ hour streams as often. It does seem to finally be getting a bit better though, she streamed almost everyday this month. She also been going to the gym far more often and did basically 2 extra 3D lives this year with the KAF thing.
>>105400170>>105400276You guys are having a very interesting debut but missing the forest for the trees: Gura (now Saba) has a very loyal very passionate and very INSULAR audience that is, for the most part, outside the realm of the general vtubing audience.That was patently obvious when even at her peak (or close to it) she ended up having a smaller audience than Ina when they were in a multiPOV collab and also for the fact her audience rarely showed up in single POV collabs outside her channel.I wouldn't use her a gauge for anything as she has a very particular audience that is not replicated anywhere else in the vtubing world.
>>105400282dont reply to that retard, mori has over 500 hours, shes doing fine
>>105399995grim
>>105399871>Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame 269>Ninomae Ina'nis 261>Nerissa Ravencroft 255do not calculate the total number of hours from jan to sept this will cause irreperable seething
Black women
>>105400320I know it is fine, it seemed like he was just comparing it to last year when she had ridiculous hours, but also didn't have the lung debuff and didn't appear in nearly as many things. Just saying it was pretty obvious why the hours went down.
>>105400093keep trying Fauna/Nimischizo
>>105400362What? Isn't that what is already being calculated minus ERB's twitch hours?
>>105400017Why does nobody call this person out?BUY A FUCKING AD
>>105400436Because even that is giving it attention.
>>105398173interesting but what's her meritial status? She needs to be single, doesn't make sense as replacement otherwise.
That notmori tweet is really popping off
>>105400320"fine" by EN standards but it's literally her lowest output since 2022 and possibly her lowest stream output of any full year
>>105400362Honestly it's not even that bad, that's not too far from an average of one hour per day which sounds surprisingly reasonable in a vacuum
>>105400276>So if you stream more than once or twice in a short period of time you lose that buff, you sayMy argument is that there isn't much of a buff to begin with unless it's a fucklong hiatus where people are expecting big news. Remember when Ina and Gura got 30k and 40k return streams? That's a fucking buff. >Demonstrably not what happened with Gura who would always benefit from buffed numbers after being inactive for a while despite how many times it happened.Alright I went ahead and looked at Gura's channel and I want you to tell me which of her 2024 streams got the return buffed numbers you're talking aboutBecause I'm looking right now and it seems obvious to me than whenever she got big numbers for streams, it was for FOTM hyped game streams, collabs, karaoke, event streams, stuff like that.Meanwhile you have stuff like this Volcano Princess stream which was her first stream in almost 2 months and it didn't get buff numbers, it got her 2nd lowest non-ENreco stream of the year. That tells me that content choice is a way bigger deal than whatever you think "rarity buff" is.
>>105400362I think its worse with rebroadcasts removed
>>105400474ya she's gone by next year
>>105400474She probably agreed to do a song a while back with one of the many indies who have had toxic stuff revealed about them since and doesn't want to associated with them.
Can't believe there are over 1000 cucks willing to throw money at a shit streamer. Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug. Must be nice Holo had low standards when hiring her, must be nice having retarded fans following through the grift.
>>105400525No she's totally graduating for sure
nimi merch sold out?everything aside from bundle and keychain are still available?
>>105400474she really sometimes just rolls a critical fail on hindsight and posts shit like that when people are guaranteed to tie it back to Holo/UMjust adding unnecessary stress, maybe she should've went with the internet detox after all
>>105400378I know, even with all you mentioned, if it wasnt for gigi she would still be top 3 in hours streamed
Today, I will remind them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISArdLY5SY
>>105400474All of these did the same.
>>105400474The tweet is perfect dramabait material
>>105400546i also am retarded nice to meet you new friend
>>105400550The bundle is the main thing beccause it was limited. But yes there's still some stuff available, her large hoodie sold out too but there's still the rest for sizes.
Why are they seething?
>>105400362Remove 40 hours of Nerissa because of rebroadcasts
>>105400474what's wrong with doing Sneaking 2 it's a good song
>>105400553Could also be bait to easily block the people she wanted to block in that previous post. the QRTs basically made a nice neat list for her to do so lmao
anyone else think its sad when the only thing liggers brag about is the model/rigging or voice of their whores?its never about their content its always superficial things or even their physical looks from fleshposts
>>105400576others merch are limited too, no?L hoodie and keychain are sold out. looking at archive plush stock is about 1000.
Can't believe there are over 1000 chads willing to throw money at the best streamer. Nonstop Nimi Nightmare is a hell of a drug. Must be nice Holo had high standards when hiring her, must be nice having based fans following through the idol journey.
Woke up early caught this and went back to bed what's the name for this trio
>>105400636>others merch are limited too, no?They don't come with a signature.
>>105400622Don't those people realize that her dream gachikuta collab is happening in a couple of days and album soon too probably? Unless it's a long con and are was pretending to like gachikuta the and urara the entire time which would be impressive
>>105400622Why does she bother blocking people instead of just ignoring them?
>>105400550
>>105399955>>105400226>>105400276>still talking about the mythical gura rarity buff despite NEVER having evidence of it>Her streaming less isn't why she became popular>Obviously but it also clearly didn't debuff her eitherSo if streaming less is always a positive why do streamers stream as much as they can and most panic when they have to take breaks?Coming back is only a buff if you build a narrative around it, which gura famously never did, AND you do it rarely, aka once ever 3 years or soLook at miko if you want to see actual rarity buff when she came back, she built her entire career off of that, meanwhile gura before 2022 and after 2022 was getting pretty much exactly the same numbers as ever regardless of how often or how rarely she was streamingPeople love gura/saba, and her fans will watch if its on no matter what and won't watch it when it isn't on, it doesn't matter how long she has or hasn't streamed, the only people affected by that are her tourists, which are famously very scarce and have always been since 2021, since the entire vtuber community hates her for being popular/the face of western hololive for 5 years
>>105400668>Grape Grape CherryGuess only Nerissa is a virgin and the other two are grape victims.
>>105400541cuckhold porn is popular
>>105400685You sound like the type of fag that doesn't like when people filter out schizos in threads
>>105400668The group you wake up early for before heading back to bed
>>105400622Mori isn't nearly this clever
>>105400712She's too popular to be able to block every hater of hers. If she wants to spend her time doing it then ok I guess
>>105400678Bundle has anything special?i don’t see anything indicating that.
Did we talk about dooby being announced for ironmouse?
>>105400668The "who cares about their streams, just their performances" group
>>105398879>swapping places every week during grim eranot even true but okay
>>105400772https://x.com/ohmonah/status/1976799912093200759
>>105400772You buy the set you get a signed card and stickers
>>105400687>yandereF-for who?
>>105400685Same reason you use filters here. Ignoring requires active action on your side and still means it is in your head. Blocking lets you literally forget they exist. Announcing it like that gives the extra fun of pissing off schizos because what they hate the most is when they know they are literally invisible to people they want to annoy. Why do you think all the boards schizos congregated here after the hack? Global moved to Towa, they are unable to post on Towa so this is the next best place to get attention.
>>105398956PHASEBOUND
>>105400810Are those her boob scars
>>105400816>>105400822oh i see
>>105400849SEX
>>105400759Not really. There probally less than 30 I've noticed who actively post anything.
>>105400823Me Chibi Nimi is a clone
>>105400849I need Ina's feet on my cock NOW
>>105400850the incisions are made under the breasts, idiot
Nimi should share her statistics from before the LLD, i want to know where did she get shilled for her to get 1k subs basically daily and get 10k ccv most of times, i want justice to reach 1 million subs
>>105400849Wooden Shovel
>>105399912Numbers and data, my beloved.
koseki lost....
Bijou won!
>>105400490>That tells me that content choice is a way bigger deal than whatever you think "rarity buff" is.All numbers are dependent on multiple different factors, but that doesn't mean that each of those individual factors isn't relevant. Of course she isn't immune to regular debuff content but you can clearly see that her numbers are affected by whether or not she was returning from a long absence. In 2024 she started off with a 50k Palword stream because it was her first stream in months, then she streamed for a week or two and went down to 30k and then 20k for her remaining gaming streams, with two of those being the same game. Just look at June, streams that were buffed content wise (such as her birthday chat or first Dark Souls playthrough) were getting similar numbers to comparably less buffed streams from earlier months (such as Subnautica and Kingdom Come respectively) because she streamed a lot in June and lost that rarity buff.
>hololive >no one is live
>>105400816I find it kind of weird that the bundle stock is separated for each size, since these signed merchs are usually limited by signed cards/numbers, not the other part of the set.
>>105401030What
