Shovel Beating Edition >What is /lig/?/lig/ is a thread for viewers to find, share, and discuss indie vtubers who have on average 500 viewers or more.>Why /lig/?Large indie vtubers have more net fans, but they are outnumbered by 2views by the thousands. This is a thread for the VIP, regardless of what language they stream on.>Can I shill my 499view oshi here?Considering averages fluctuate widely, all the way down to 100 is reasonable. The minimal requirement however is being Twitch partner or the YouTube equivalent in numbers.>Wait isn't that one a corpo?/lig/ is a thread for chuubas of a decent size who aren't defined by their corporate branding, either due to the small size of the corporation or the independence and lack of oversight granted to the talents>/lig/ Numbershttps://lignumbers.neocities.org/>Twitch Clips Guidehttps://pastelink.net/34vd5>VOD Archival Guidehttps://rentry.org/Vod_Archival_Guide>/lig/ VOD Archivehttps://rentry.org/Indie_Vod_Archives_lig>Koikatsu cardshttps://mega.nz/folder/JYtkXJwL#07gAQCQqI_9FsmX9oQJKSA>/lig/ Wheel of Nameshttps://wheelofnames.com/49w-z2x>Tiermakerhttps://tiermaker.com/create/-lig--16586688-3>/lig/ Chuuba Birthday Calendar (WIP)https://www.canva.com/design/DAE-XgWodVg/ofLz4QC1yPPQ4T6TTAE0fw/edit?utm_content=DAE-XgWodVg>Upcoming BirthdaysOctober 18th - SquChanOctober 21st - GrapeOctober 22nd - FrootOctober 24th - Moriko Kyoho & Yuy IXOctober 28th - VividlyViviOctober 31st - Ecto PlasmratNovember 4th - BellaNovember 8th - KrumrollNovember 9th - Bao & LeaflitNovember 11th - Mint Castella>OC material for the OPhttps://mega.nz/folder/IIVD1IaJ#cfsRhWdJvzneIoG8HZUPuw>Duckshttps://www.twitch.tv/dashducks (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)Other useful threads:>>>/vt//big/>>>/vt//corpo/>>>/vt//choc/>>>/vt//flip/>>>/vt//haha/>>>/vt//indie/>>>/vt//mint/>>>/vt//swarm/>>>/vt//vrt/>>>/vt//xvsj+/Previous Thread: >> 105416984
first for retards
>>105421150
Pink cat good
>no numbersSchizos wonThey own /lig/It's over
>>105421191
I love Milky!
Sleepy
I think grimmi got annoyed by people asking about the numbers
is coqui obese?qrd??
>>105421220she's just like us fr
I love my Oshi, even if she can be a bitch
Numbers for 10/11:1: https://twitch.tv/ironmouse (6,994)2: https://twitch.tv/Shylily (6,786)3: https://twitch.tv/vedal987 (5,968)4: https://twitch.tv/filian (4,365)5: https://twitch.tv/bao (3,255)6: https://twitch.tv/Zentreya (3,151) *Tie6: https://twitch.tv/Kenji (3,149) *Tie8: https://www.youtube.com/@KirscheVerstahl (3,028) *Combined9: https://twitch.tv/MichiMochievee (2,854)10: https://twitch.tv/henyathegenius (2,517)Non-English:1: https://twitch.tv/Kamito_JP (5,199) *Japanese2: https://www.youtube.com/@Ririka_krmzw0707 (4,808) *Japanese3: https://twitch.tv/KSPKSP (3,675) *Chinese
>>105421220>donate to me>ugh fuck you guys leave me alone
>>105421183>holo tob
good night liggas
>>105421249bye aussiebro
>>105421223and krimbo's cocksleeve
>>105421249goonai sinuuposter
>>105421248He knows to much
i dont car
>>105421234I feel for you dmposter.
i car
>>105421281Krim
>>105421249gunite sinuuposter, and gunite liggy <333
https://litter.catbox.moe/8pgcykj9neq1hdl3.jpg
>>105421304I'm in too deep at this point
why is tobby glorppy todya
>>105421217the milky mommies are required to make more women of all type (impregnation), you can’t just get more chuubas through cloning anon
>>105421347Gross, tag that disgusting shit
>>105421338Nightcore Electro Swing
not even grimmis toes can fix her streams now
this fucking weirdo
>>105421348And are you trying to keep up above in your head, instead of going under?
>>105421426Sometimes, I had two semi crashouts last week
i miss chromu and nino and ecto
>>105421460Damn it's that serious... but did you get the reference tho
I like Fallen Shadow’s cat Otis. He’s a very regal creature. He has lots of wisdom in his eyes. Shondo is pretty cool too.
Fuck, is there anyone on to watch?
>>105421497https://www.twitch.tv/sukohttps://www.twitch.tv/berylberuhttps://www.twitch.tv/ashtonmartenhttps://www.twitch.tv/tobs
>>105421478Flew over my head it's late and my brain is bad
>>105421497https://www.twitch.tv/mumkeydee Luigi's Mansion
>>105421488And is also my son
beating tob with a steel pipe(in game)
Grimmi is no longer my feetchuubaNow it's all Alice
>>105421529bald freak
>>105421420that she's still has 1.4k viewers is a mystery
>>105421515That's ok dmposter, you should go get some sleep, tomorrow is around the corner.
>>105421541*takess of your shoes*
>>105421497meat, tob, snel, grimmi... probably more
why is tob fluent in spanish
>>105421538Feetship ended with GRIMMASIRNowALICE is myfeet queen
>>105421529hate that ugly critter
>schizo thread>tob postingnoticing
>>105421552I hope DM does her Monday stream like she said she might. Sunday's are always boring. Oh, wanna see a new sloppa that finished a bit ago?
>>105421565lives in California
>>105421594Hope she does your beloved Monday stream, and yeah I'd love to see the sloppa.
>>105421586mmmggngm *cough*mhgngm
>>105421565i thought you guys said she was a kike
Whenever I do an Alice impression to my friend he says it sounds like a minecraft villager
>>105421602i thought she moved to some desert city somewhere in nevada or new mexico
>>105421640oh yeah, she did move recently
>>105420279Uh oh melty
>>105421605Let me know what you think
>>105421640did she? I thought she just traveled to mexico to get her teeth fixed
Reasons I like Suko<- Number one
>>105421565her ex is mexican
>>105421664Whoa, big woman
No more grim, now I sleep
tob is short for el tobita
>>105421688was trying for all of dm's with Holographic clothing and with the way Magical Girl's turned out, I had to make all of them feel more powerful
Any liggers with a similar voice to Kuu?
>>105421727Meant for this to be on that
they were not ready
>>105421747I'm really trying to think of one but no, not really
>Everyone loves cloud, but what about my boy zack? Every woman goes insane over zack. In fact, I don't know if I've seen a woman say she prefers cloud over zack.
https://x.com/planetabnormal/status/1977227461898481726cute hair
>>105421701what if grimmi snuck into your room and defecated all over the bed while you slept
>>105421787I don't think it looks bad. How's it not feminine enough?
so what's up with meat and coqui not really collabing 1 on 1 anymore?
>>105421801Do they mire his squats?
>>105421801this ligga living in bizarro world
>>105421836didn't 3am implode?
>>105421836coqui just gets too horny thinking about meats feet and is afraid she can't hold it in if they would collab again
sn
>>105421839I'll rebake it tomorrow.
>>105421848idk that's why I'm asking
pee
am hornydunno wat do
>>105421716El Toboso is a Spanish municipality located in the province of Toledo, autonomous community of Castilla–La Mancha
>>105421863immi
>>105421874Why did Snuffy do this?
>>105421898I read this as Tabasco which is the perfect sign I need to go to bed.
Kiss my toe
>>105421701I want sex with the greceased grorpse!
I'm off to sleep, Goodnight /lig/
>>105421916How much money do I have to donate for Alice to post her feet
>>105421929Goodnight DMposter
kisses make me melt
I brushed my teeth and made myself gag and burp. chuuba that has a similar problem?
a vtuber having this as a chat rule is a big red flag desu
>>105421987Who kissed
>>105422033Most people don’t like lolicon art or lolicons.
>>105422039heavenlyfather
I think kiba should do this to me
Meat OWES me a footjob.
would provide her a family
>>105422039Duwag. She does it all the time now it’s so cute
>>105422102I would only cum directly down her throat or between her breasts to keep her eternally desperate for the pleasure and satisfaction of being cummed inside of
>>105421866kill yourself pedo
bat owes me 5 bucks
>>105421987https://files.catbox.moe/c2gzhk.mp4
>>105422222I don't think I would be able to keep myself from not nutting in her womb. It would be a crime not to creampie her.
Haven't smoked cigarettes in 2 days gonna try jerking off to Shoobs later to see if its gonna feel better thanks to improved blood circulation
What can I do so that women love me? How to make myself interesting to women? Women loving on myself? Interesting guy to female? How?
@Lyra
>>105421836They still collab somewhat. It’s just that their vibes are no longer immaculate. I don’t know what happened between them but it’s sad to see a friendship like theirs die slowly in the public eye.
>>105422393be reborn with different genes
>>105422393bake tons of cookies ^_^
>>105422393kill yourself
>>105422399This is more Duwag coded she was talking about it last week even
Grimmi owes me a fella
>>105422526>grimmi squatting over your chest and pushing out a small man made of feces onto your chest
>>105422559:(
>>105422574would you raise him as your son
>>1054223992 people who peaked in 2015.
>>105421243missing burnt peanut
how mause makes this voice? what is her hacks? it bypasses all natural defences.
>>105422598No :(
>>105421637>heAIIIEEEEE
need more collabs with these two
>>105422399>formerwhat happened?
>>105422440Kill. Your. Self.>bake>meltyYou're just a fucking psyop wannabe
>>105422760Canada elected a Carney
>>105422780Can I still make fun of Canada PM or his is cool now?
>>105422739Besper... :(((((((
>>105419339more gstring berylwas gonna make him flustered in all of them but then realized it's hotter if he looks hornyhttps://files.catbox.moe/u9bwbh.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/uzpg8t.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/78qnx5.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/hzyqda.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/61k55z.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/vphcmt.jpg>>105412112vivi legspov kneepit sex is for some reason very obnoxious to gen properlyhttps://files.catbox.moe/ylqf6t.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/j2gra0.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/yo1rsl.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/o8v7kr.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/wxqvjg.jpg
>>105422810making fun of canadian pms is so early 2020s. it's all about making fun of keir starmer now
>>105422860forgot the fixed version of this one oopshttps://files.catbox.moe/fqcx3x.jpg
>>105422760he became increasingly unpopular in the post COVID years and it was clear the Liberals were going to lose with him as party leader so he resigned in March while still Prime Minister so his party could replace him before the April election with a globalist-approved empty suit banker guy.
dumping my stinky semen into piapiufos fertile slime womb
Italian woman love and feral killing of anon https://www.twitch.tv/dyarikku
Peobro why didn't you tell me that Peo is a big fan of skibidi toilet...
Sinder won don’t know why this fact makes people so angry
>>105423049I'll consider it her win when she starts streaming again.
>>105422810I didnt vote for him but Carney has a lot of promise. Hes a very skilled economist, was governor of the Bank of Canada and then Governor of the Bank of England(first and only non brit I think). Hes sadly still behest to his parties will and they are kinda fucking him with bad policy + BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Quebec are all being fags and not allowing free trade between provinces and blocking pipeline construction etc.
>>105423020Damn my sleep schedule is fucked
>>105423049Sinder would easily win if she doubles down on the evil woman angle and does an NTR humiliation stream.
>>105422860very nice anon. you should try putting some stuff into grok/imagine. you can get away with a lot as long as you cover nipples.https://files.catbox.moe/1vk4mi.mp4
>>105423049>Sinder wonthe loser competition, yes.
>>105423099"policy" is a cope for nerds. from 1910-1990 the US at one point or another ran virtually every possible economic policy, from high income taxes to no income taxes, high tariffs to low tariffs, massive state lead investments in fixed capital, almost no state lead investment in fixed capital, and America's percentage of global gdp remained essentially unchanged, fluctuating between 20-25%, with the exception of brief post world war rebuilding periods
>>105423179no scat in there
>>105423179blindchama...
>>105423049>won>fact
>>105423212yeah, no scat in there
>>105423212BLINDCHAMA... YOUR EYES...
>>105423212fuck why did I click on it
>>105423240Because you like looking at it
>>105423134jeezas that background noise sounds like a schizophrenia simulator
>>105423252now type that without crying
>>105423248that's just you
>>105423252>>105423263uh oh melty
>>105423134grok doesn't really seem to work for any of them, it always picks up on the fact that it's pornI did get wan set up the other day though but it seems very jank for animating 2D sloppa
>>105423262t. "white dick actually repulses me"
>>105423257yeah grok automatically makes background music unfortunately...
lil nigga saw two porn images and immediately began crying
>>105423293t. black dick mindbroke me
>>105423300insecurity be like that
>>105423306nah that's also you
>>105423069i'm not really involved in this but it's hilarious how they ramble about a win when she can't even meet this lowest of low bars
>>105423321now type that without crying
>samefaggingwatch him start spamming the thread again
>>105423297https://files.catbox.moe/iunuic.mp4i re-encoded it without the sound because it pissed me off
>>105423313
>>105423347Will it be Yuy, wojaks, or random interracial porn this time?
>>105423362the latter as usualone trick pony
>>105423049Sinder only confirmed that every allegations about her is truenot only that she showed she even did more shit like stalking The only people who think she "won" anything are pyrocucks who are now attacking everybody that openly says Sinder is still guilty
>>105423362I don't think he ever spams yuythat's mostly anons trying to make him seethe harder
>>105423391And I'm the Chinese prime minister
>>105423391he sometimes spams yuy ai slop
>>105423391>see this>flips the fuck outThe inner machinations of this retard's mind truly are an enigma.
https://x.com/SinderVTuber/status/1774195675917414445Sinder won
>>105423410yoo waddup my nigga xi! you know, can you like...not attack taiwan in 2027 and start ww3? that would be really tight
>>105423411I guess, but that falls into the third category
>>105423414evil woman sex
>>105423410please continue what chairman mao started
Looks like it'll be Yuy
>>105423421yo xijust poured one out for big bro deng xiaoping (pbuh)send your finest chinese women
>>105423432Why is it that every major historical figure seem like they would fit right in /here/
do NOT send 10 million chinese women
Akshually, Liq Qiang is the equivalent of Prime Minister in China. Xi would be the equivalent of President.
>>105423469chinese women are an extinction level threatimagine how much damage 10 million jiang qings would do to america. mao knew what he was doing
>>105423496imagine the supply of hapas one or two generations after...
Bat wonhttps://files.catbox.moe/2jh84s.png
@Mao you dont need to send 10million chinese women, 1 is enough for me.
>>105423501让江青怀孕真是生不如死
>>105423510Finally another good post
do you think any oriental broads read this thread and go what the fuck
>>105423510
>>105423493
i think tob is in here. she made her chat verified only
Living by the Beatles crosswalk must be fucking awful. Id be seething if some tourists just stopped in the crosswalk infront of my car and started posing for pictures
>>10542350110 million elliot rodgers
>>105423573
>>105423582That would imply any of the posters here would make a kid who could even delude themself into thinking they're attractive
hey guys just got back from the poopy fart factory
>>105423582not necessarilyI know a cute dutch-indo hapa girl, her brother inherited the dutch traits like height and is a gigachad
Can someone gen some TOB scat please
>>105423493Thank you Mint
>>105423622haha you're funny, meat
is shondo bf free?
>>105423622someone made sloppa of mint (ghost) a few days ago, wait for them to show up again
>>105423582Elliot rogers could've made it if he was just a kinder soul
>>105423643No, they're $5
>>105423532I just wait for the topic to change
>>105423622Sure I'll do that tomorrow
my apartment smells a LOT like marijuana right now
Alice's feet in my mouth
>>105423689holy based
>>105423699can i get a hit my ligga
>>105423689i'll pay you five bucs if you don't
>>105423716yeah here you go bro it's Gary's Pineapple strain
>>105423532Hi! Im YUY, Lyra, Peo, Essie, Para, Usada Pekora, 50% of Kiki, Beri, Bao, Numi, Towa-sama, Dokibird, Henya, Tenma, Ushio Ebi, Gosegu, and I LOVE when whiteboys lust after me in da /lig/gy.
>>105423739
>>105423622tob is already scat
>>105423510Big dicks are only good for sounding
what if instead of /lig/ race war we all made a beautiful swirled baby that's made out of all of us
suko is so cute when she's trying to use her brain
>>105423786Suko is so cute when she's trying to use her toes
snobeforce
>>105423766and bullying yours :3
>>105423721okayhttps://www.paypal.com/paypalme/Futabatguy/5
mmmfeelin chuddy
I want to deep dick Suko
>>105423857your name's on there
>>105423866I want to grope her all over her body
>>105423858I thought this said cuddly now I’m sad
>>105423887I'm a nobody. If you google my full name you'll get somebody else.
working hard on some what if posts
>>105423900look outside
working hard on some bat posts
>women love dogs>I have a dog>liggers are mostly womenHow do I show them my dog
>>105423930wait for them to do a pet review stream
>>105423829No, pp bullying is cringe
>women love big penises>I have a big penis>liggers are mostly womenHow do I show them my big penis
>>105423945ok then dial that back to frotting with size difference
>>105423948that's what DMs are made for
>>105423913I see a fat guy shoving his dick into a fish. Is that you?
>>105423948only gay men love big peepees. i'm sorry you had to find out this way
chasing grimmi around to pick her up and throw her
>>105423930Mint literally has a segment of her streams where she goes through user submitted animal pics and gushes about every single one, especially the actual pets
suko be singing
>>105424017SUKO IS ALWAYS SINGING
>>105424040hell yeah
>>105423965No that's Feemshmisser sorry he's a little weird... hasn't really been the same since Nemu stopped streaming again
>>105424009liggers with this kind of gamer reaction time?
cant wait for there to be no fucking streams next week
>>105423948Several anons here and in vsj+ sent their hogs to vtubers with varying results so you won't be the first
Don’t send your penis to vtubers please
>>105424051alice
>>105424094well i cant it's attached
I just remembered that time someone sent Saru a dick pic on facebook and she send it to his family.
>>105424136how is this an own? my family's already seen my penis for years
>>105424142
I love my cute, horny and bratty sex fox. I LOVE HER SO MUCH! Erm!
>>105424136>old saru got a dick pic and sent it to his entire family>new saru gets asked politely if she would like a dick pic and declines then tells her chat how wholesome they are to ask firstI like the character development from both sides
My managerial advice to my fat bitch ex-wife Denpafish is if you want to lose a bunch of weight really quickly just consume nothing but black coffee and Marlboro Reds all day. I've never seen it not work.
>>105424282erm
>>105424269where's the third option where saru takes a picture of her dick and sends it to your family?
I love Japanese flower fairies
>>105424293Don't you fucking erm me. Denpa wants to lose weight and I like chubby Denpa so the best compromise is thinner Denpa but she dies at 40
I asked Kuu for the #13 but she drew the #31
haha i saw a cute vtuber's face tonight on her stream
>>105424183
>>105424048"a little weird"? no he's a straight-up pedo
Saiiren is a great vtuber
Bwah!
>>105424397
>>105424391lmao that poor chatter just got called out by tobs
>>105424433lol what did he think was gonna happen. OMG I AM GONNA CLIP TOBS FACE TEE HEE NO ONE WILL NOTICE
>>105424391she is so pretty
>>105424376she's actually doing pretty good for a beginner my first tats looked like scribbles
I want to cum inside Fufu's asshole
>>105424477she's done tattoos in the past
>>105424451personally i didn't even know it worked like that, but i would've just used the vod regardless instead just to be safe
>>105424009I look like this and do this
>>105424376The bottom one is from Supernatural lol
tob did face reveal?
>>105424502The crow skull?
>>105424505accidentally showed a reflection, but one of her top clips is her shooting a confetti canon at the webcam so it's nothing new
>>105424505Tob did a partial face reveal last year, I don't know why people are blowing their load now
>>105424517masked just isn't the same. it's like using a condom
>>105424510the rune next to it
>>105424538So are you gay or a woman anon?
>>105424532you could see more then, than in the reflection
>>105424553my ex made me watch like 8 seasons of that shit
>>105424136Skill issue. When I sent mine my oshi was shocked at how huge it was and told me it's the prettiest she has ever seen.
>>105424557yep, got double cucked
>>105424564who's your oshi and how big is it?
What's up with all the bao hate today? Are we getting raided by sindercord?
>>105424584i just unfollowed her because all she does is ads and outfit reveals, but i haven't posted about her either
>>105424559I understand and also know this feel anon
>>105424410I member she used to have a tardie voice
>>105424559First five seasons are acceptable to watch as a straight man.
>>105424584>Model downgrade>Mediocre karaoke>Bao being Bao
I tickle Tob twice.
>>105424376so if you can draw you can tattoo?
>>105424628did she get mad at her chat?
>>105424631No not really, tattooing is a completely different beast with the ink, voltage and how the machine keeps shaking and vibrating as you go. You also need to understand how the needles and depth works to be able to make anything that's readable on the skin. Art skills are very helpful though.
>>105424631Yes but no. It's like working in a different medium. So let's say you do a lot of digital art, your ass is going to get kicked when trying tattooing out.Also, you have to make sure you pierce the skin deep enough for the ink to take but not too deep so you don't just wind up scarring them.
>Don't come to Giwis chat tomorrow
>>105424557well... in the birthday cannon clip you can see the top half of her face and tonight you could see the bottom half
i hate tob. dumb drug addict
>>105424735she hasnt been high onstream in years
>>105424731ChatGPT, integrate and enhance
>>105424577Reiyu. 21 centimeters.
i wanna smoke a big ol doink with tobs
>>105424764proof?
>>105424764post it
>>105424764wtfI wanted to send her my 18cm but she's seen bigger....
>>105424806send itshe will probably give you the same line she gave him
>>105424764You know what you have to do now, right?
why did vivi retweet the 3am announcement teaser
Bros, I just woke up from a nightmare where Vei went on a permanent hiatus and would probably never stream again. Thank god it was just a dream.
>>105423134>>105423510good posts
>>105424854She'd be a weird fit for 3am so I hope she didn't get in
>>105424829Only if massive Veiposter one gets posted.
[GOOD NEWS]It's time for Tobs period
>>105424864Broh...
>>105424940Mine's completely average, though
>>105424992prove it
Anons, please do not try to solicit dick pics from each other.
>>105425003Nyo..
>>105425031but i like looking at my fellow liggas' peepees
>>105425052:(
>>105425031i only solicit dick pics from futa chuubas
>>105425054Inis please...
Rina is debuting her model and she completely spoiled it by having her model as a sub alert
>>105425031I only solicit dick pics from my malewife
>>105425119when is she debuting a better voice
just a reminder: men can smell when girls are having their period :3
Zexstreya
>>105425153she should rape me
>>105425143Her voice is pure sex to me
>thread is about anime girls>liggermen are thirsting over real men
cute burp girl live https://www.twitch.tv/varidetta
>she got a boob reductiondropped
>>105425164Is a little grating
>>105425190Forsen
>>105425190
the face is mad cute at least
>>105425087I wish I could watch her VODs
>>105425153>every model gets hottershe must be stopped, we're reaching nuclear meltdown levels
>>105425187Their chuubas have bfs so they cope by pretending to be gay
>>105425249Loli with the voice of a disabled, smoking hag
>>105425249the model is so busy though. but yeah the face is cute
face is cute but the outfit is ornament diarrhea, I hope she can toggle off at least 3/4 of these
Here's your fat fucking peen now calm down Sleepyheads are allowed to uuuhttps://files.catbox.moe/2z0vmq.jpeg
>>105425267she's never been a loli thoughever
>>105425271oh the short hair is WAY better
>>105425295agree, at least when her model is zoomed in like thisshe says she "has a toggle for everything" so I hope that also includes the clothing
>>105425291She very clearly is right now
>>105425309cute
>>105425312she doesn't have loli proportions at all and the boobs are right there brotherman
>>105425312she likes loli but none of her models have been that, she's always gone for normal proportions and stature with medium to large tits
>saru: I will become president, I know nothing about politics but I will try not to make the bad decisions
Is Varidetta GFE?
>>105425363anyone is gfe if youre schizo enough
>>105425363Basically yeahFeel free to gosling her :)
snobe is good
i like the forked tongue
>>105425420snobe is nise for not banning me for accidentally posting ascii art in her chat instead of tob's
>>105425415>:)Sus
>>105425451snel is just but merciful she judges all appropriately
