>WAAAH HOW DARE YOU NOT COUNT BOTTED, AFK, ALT-TABBED, MUTED, 50-STREAMS-OPEN "VIEWS", THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!They're so fucking shameless. Proving once again why choosing to stream on twitch inherently makes you a vile, rotten grifter.
i dont really care about the big streamers but i feel bad cos i always throw open my friends stream and leave it running on 1%volume in the background to try and give them an extra viewer
I've heard this isn't even new changes which makes the griftchuubas melties even funnier, if they are losing viewers it's probably just bots
>>105428949>zentranny complains about somethingOkay I guess that something is pretty good then
This affects 1views and 2views way more than the mid-to-upper echelon. Twitch really won’t figure this one out, and it’ll basically all because of that one monkey who bragged about viewbotting brazenly.
>>105428949How low did their views drop?>>105429757> it’ll basically all because of that one monkey who bragged about viewbotting brazenly.Who?
>>105428949All I read was>erm, I'm boring af and my content is less than mid, let me have botted viewers so I can keep living on delusion thinking people actually like what I doPathetic
Hasn't YT been doing this for years now? If anything YT criteria to be counted as a viewer is still far stricter.
>>105429213Why 1%? Does being mute really actually won’t count you as a viewer?
>>105428949>Proving once again why choosing to stream on twitch inherently makes you a vile, rotten grifter.Not everyone cares about >noobmers, some people just don't want to deal with Youtube's ContentID bullshit.
>>105430055yes. if you mute a stream you do NOT count as a viewer. both on yt and twitch
>>105430175muting the tab and not the stream itself will still count you as a viewer on twitch. dunno if that works on youtube.
>>105429799https://arazu.io/t3_1ljmf0w/Ray J openly admits he viewbots on Twitch. "So what? Its legal" This started a whole wave of bigger channels saying they know others do it but they would never.
Uh did they even read this?Like they even say that you can still have multiple streams open and get counted, it just has to be a "REASONABLE" amount, whatever that meansThem not giving an actual number means it's probably still something crazy like 10, which I suppose is an improvement over the past where you could just have as many open as you wanted and still countVery little has actually changedyou still count if you're mutedyou still count if it's in the backgroundyou still count if you have multiple streams open>>105429900Yeah Youtube from the beginning has been WAY stricter about itYou only count as a view if you:>have the tab open and in focus>volume on (some claim it has to be above a certain % too)>no adblock>no multiple streams open
>>105428949I think this Twitch one is definitely fake and Twitch chuubas that are crying about losing viewers are just outing themselves. All of the Twitch streamers I regularly watch are getting their usual, and they range from dead chat culture to really active ones. The YouTube cull was actually real and provable to a degree. Twitchfags have nothing but complaints.
>>105428949not disabling my adblocker just to get a malware. nice try FAGMAN mafia
>>105430453It checks if the tab is active, that includes being blocked by something in fullscreen or minimized but not other windowed aps. Having the browser not in focus is fine
>>105428949>aiiiiiiiiieeee don't take away our artificial viewership!Youtube hasn't counted multiple streams or background stuff for ages.
This lurker not counting as a viewer was the best thing twitch has ever done. It instantly exposed how many of these chuubas lied about streaming for "fun". It was always about numbers and money. And complaining just signals to everyone which whores to avoid like the plague
>>105431420no, it takes away all the fun you could possibly have by watching a chuuba on twitch because you're FORCED to interact and being scrutinized by a shitty AI that has a unilateral say on whether you count as a real person or a botit's also ableist as fuck considering most of us chuuba watchers are autistic as fuck and usually can't tell social cues apart to save our lives, meaning we get b& based on FORCED interactions
Zen the man seems mad, good. lol and lemao
Twitch still seems to be struggling with giving a clear definition of a viewer, and they're messing up their systems attempting to do, either that or making the perimeters more strict to narrow down the income flowing out from all these streamers; keep things under control. But that's delving into /#/ then.The changes don't seem to be anything really new, but they're being made public now; hence the complaining. If two streams max is indeed the confirmation, that is pretty harsh. Twitch, like Netflix, has been heavily categorizing its brand as 'second-screen entertainment' for a while (which is its own bag of worms), and now Twitch is going about-face and punishing especially mid-tier streamers for it.tl;dr Fuck Ray J. A mediocre rapper who tried to legally exploit another system to earn his income, but at the same time, thanks to him, there's at least awareness of the situation. Baby steps people.
>>105431574>ableistGo back.
>>105431929no, it's (you) should go back to kiwifarms
>>105431118Does YT count my view if I have picture-in-picture enabled for the video but the tab is out of focus?
>>105431914No person is paying attention to more than one stream except for collabs and I guess the zoom zooms with 5 streams open and an endless runner on the side.
>>105431993>Redditseethe
>>105431574Just type a single LUL emote in chat and it counts you as a viewer.
>>105432154I believe yt has no way to tell the video is in picture in picture mode, it'll just track what the tab is doing.
>>105428949Twitch hasnt even done shit about the bots, this waving shit is some very cheap bots and they are still unaffected lol. Maybe they manage to take out the even cheaper ones? im not sure, but do not buy the shit they say.
No reason to have more then 2 streams open at once. sure have your cozy background work stream and one where you're more active. More than that? how can you keep track/be present in the moment? The one big exception that i do understand is collab streams and really the platforms should consider supporting multiview for collabs more seriously.
>>105428949how come they allow dog electrocution but bots are a nono?
>>105432293The 2024 bibot special.
>>105432293If anything it pointed out to the lower end streamers that botting is an option to consider if everyone is doing it anyway. Someone i watch suddenly tripled their viewercount
>>105432363>collab streamsThey're such a niche thing in the grand scheme of things that it is honestly not worth dealing with the multiple sources of desync so I wouldn't expect support for this, ever
Do you motherfuckers even know what the word "grift" means? Is your contention that these people went into Twitch vtubing so they could one day bot themselves into a low 4view streamer in order to... mildly scam ad buyers I guess?As for as the complaints of these two chuubas specifically goes, I'm not really clear what their specific problem is. I think not counting as a viewer for ANYONE when you have more than two streams open at the same time is fair enough, but I also understand why vtubers are protective about changes that might impact their revenue.It's also strange to put this uniquely on Twitch, when YouTubers have been freaking out about Google's changes for years.In conclusion: Who the fuck cares? Being fanboys of a chuuba corpo is pathetic enough, but being a fanboy of a particular streaming platform is just pathetic times infinity.
>>105428949Lmao, what? They used to count if you had more than 2 on? That’s the only ridiculous part. Always knew twitch numbers were inflated, but the fact that people are seething over very mild common sense rules is hilarious.
>>105428949>ALT-TABBEDI get not counting the others but alt tabbed? Why shouldn't listening to a stream in the background count as a view? Its no different from listening to a podcast.
>>105431420>It instantly exposed how many of these chuubas lied about streaming for "fun". It was always about numbers and money.When it's your literal job and primary/only source of income, you are to a certain extent forced to care about these things.
>>105433341Grifter having a melty.
>>105428949>CCV doesn't matter only numbermonkeys care about that
>>105428949So I'm just fucked if I watch a multi pov collab? lovely
>>105431420>how many of these chuubas lied about streaming for "fun".anon it's a fucking job.
>>105428949>she>her
>>105434509They sure don't treat it like one.
>>105434145Then they're retarded for making streaming thier primary source of income.
>>105428949I don't care what this tranny got to say
>>105429757>it'll basically all because of that one
>>105430233that's only for ad revenue and not views
>>105434565How so?
>people who literally are not watching or paying attention to a stream are no longer counted as watching the streamWhy is this a problem again?
>>105434652Seethe
Does several tabs open, but all of them paused except one stream make that playing stream count? Or do you have to actually close the tabs?
Can you really call being background content a niche?
>>105435874And by several I mean anywhere from 2-10 in incognito tabs + >50 in regular session (either not loaded in memory or suspended with addons like The Great Suspender) all from twitch
How are they even botting their streams?I saw someone mention using AWS but that's expensive as fuck surely it's not cost effective
Is there a list of most affected twitch chuubas by this? Id imagine Ironmouse tops the list
>>105435596>barely any professionalism>no schedule guarantees>not even a minimum>they will do what they want rather than what their fans want>might antagonize their fans for petty reasonsThe list goes on. If this is a job, then it must be the only job where the customer is the last thing in their minds.
>>105436135Ah, yeah, I get that. A lot of them definitely behave that way. I'm too used to the few that actually care.
>Nobody watches my streams>Stream anywayGranted I have a full time job and I'm not trying to make a living off of it, but if you're having fun, it's not that big of a deal.What is a big deal is Twitch not keeping VODs. Just because someone isn't watching now doesn't mean they won't be interested in the future.
>>105428949>Zen's viewcount was bottedYeah that fag dominating total watch hours for EN vtubers every single month made no fucking sense.
>>105430260>"So what? Its legal"is it though? couldn't the case be made that if sponsors are looking for large audience streamers to advertise their product and they pick someone who bots the absolute shit out of themselves then they are misleading their business partner and even possibly committing fraud?
My Oshi's with 2-3views are enjoying being a Vtuber as a hobby without worrying about numbers. I wonder how it feels to have an Oshi who lives their life worrying about numbers, sponsors, and income.
>>105428949I agree with Mable, why should creators be punished just because I have 3 monitors and can listen to two streams while playing games?
>>105437849>I wonder how it feels to have an Oshi who lives their life worrying about numbers, sponsors, and income.I wouldn't know, I'm a Holochad after all.
Which former "big" twitch streamers are the proven frauds? any 4views not 3views? any big 4view now fringe 4views?
>>1054393282 streams is the max so you're good.
>>105437849>are enjoying being a Vtuber as a hobby without worrying about numbersI would fucking hate being in that position. If your girl is not a fulltimer you only get half effort from her. Her life does not depend on making (You) happy. She is distracted with her real job.
>>105439964There were 5-6views who were caught botting dozens of thousands of viewers. Most of the top twitch streamers absolutely refused to stream in protest of the change
Do you mentally read all of his tweets in the TTS voice?
>>105440394Something worth noting is that Ironmouse streamed through it all, and her numbers were completely unaffected.
>>105434134Because you're less likely to buy ad shit
>>105440391Then don't dedicate yourself to her. Just watch casually when you feel like it. Though when it becomes extremely fucking obvious like Gura/Saba or Dooby how little they care about their fanbase, I have to wonder why on earth they're more popular over alternatives.
>>105440519>Then don't dedicate yourself to her. Just watch casually when you feel like it.Get off my fucking lawn ronin scum
I don't understand why they hate it so much that they have to publicly state it.Shouldn't they just think, "There are people watching as usual, they just don't count them"? Why do they care so much?Isn't it the same as not paying attention to lurkers or people who use the stream as background noise during your regular stream?It's unhealthy to rely so heavily on numbers as motivation and emotional support for your work. Isn't that why people make notes saying "don't mention viewer numbers"?
>>105435860Cope.
>>105440942>It's unhealthy to rely so heavily on numbers as motivation and emotional support for your work. Isn't that why people make notes saying "don't mention viewer numbers"?Yeah, because it's really not something you want to be thinking about while you're performing.However if it's their primary source of income, they NEED to consider it.
I swear almost any time I see a Zen stream either nothing is happening or she's doing something irl picked up by her tracking and just occasionally acknowledges a donation or sub, there's gotta be a lot of afk/tabbed out people
>>105440391You can't imagine how nice it is to see 0 fotm(which is a race to be among the first ones to play because interest wanes heavily over time) and no attempts to squeeze money out of their fanbase.
>>105428949twitch is better than youtube though
not to defend advertisers. fuck em. but y'know. it makes sense that they would not want those types of "viewers" counted.
>>105431118I think yt being to "tell" things about tabs, whether it be focus or mute status etc., is dependent on whether or not you're using chrome or an offshoot. Don't use google products and ut cannot tell wtf your tabs are doing.
>>105440942it's about the money. obviously
>>105444956No, they're Javascript features so you can't do shit about that. Welcome to the modern internet. I'm not sure if they can query to check if the tab is muted or not though, as opposed to the player.
>if you aren't viewing the stream, you don't count as a viewerwow twitch has gone too far this time
>>105445213Tab mute isn't a javascript thing, so I doubt they'll be able to tell
>>105444900I have adblock disabled on youtube, they give the streamer more control but fuck twitch
why would you even have more than 2 streams open?
>>105428949SUFFAH VTUBERSNO MORE BOTS AND UNDERAGE KIDSNO ONE WANTS TO CHAT WITH THE TRANNIES AND SOCIAL PARASITE SYCOPHANTS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISH
>>105428949I don't care about numbers, but this better not fuck up my ability to get twitch drops with the tab muted and out of focus. So far I've had no problem, but if this changes, I'm gonna be mad.
>>105428949This seems fair, hard to hate on Twitch for that. I mean you can't watch and listen to multiple streamers at the same time anyway, you're just trying to game the system.
funny how they claim this affects small channels in any way.
>>105446163Esports, SC2/DOTA/FGC/etc. tourney have multiple streams. better to keep them open instead of channel switching to see what happens
>>105446629But majority of viewers won't be watching all those streams. At any given moment, they will just watch one of them and have the rest running on background while switching from one stream to another now and then.Sure, you might be able to find a guy or two who has 4+ monitors and pays full attention to all different streams at the same time, but I'd expect those to be the tiny, statistically-insignificant majority
