There are more men that want to watch cute girls than women that want to watch cute boys. I don't know why streamers and fans cope and seethe over this simple fact.

>>105766959
Genuinely curious, why do you think that is? You would think that if a boy is cute, lots of women would wanna watch him right?

>>105767047
Women don't want cute boys they want men
And you can't be very manly talking to a camera and playing games

I would rather watch a woman do anything literally anything men go work at your desk get off my tv

Men don't want to watch ikemen avatars, why is this so fucking hard to digest for homobeggars?

Hard for me to believe they need exclusively female viewers when there are plenty of male flesh streamers that have millions of mostly male followers

>>105767047
More men watch vtubers in general. I remember seeing some chart that Hololive fans were like 80% men and 20% women. This is an industry that panders to the lonely and desperate, and theres way more lonely and desperate men than they are women.

>>105767116
>Women want men not boys
Then why do so many vtubers like reading yaoi?

>>105767372
Those are men
Wierd deformed men but still men

>>105766821
>Fucking GROK thread because OP wanted to seethe about dudes but couldn't be assed to actually find them doing anything wrong

>>105767334
Male vtubers can't appeal to men, and the two that managed to do so crashed and burned spectacularly

>>105767334
The type of man who watches female vtubers doesn't watch male vtubers.

>>105767454
Femoid fingers wrote this post

>>105766821
X actually gives me the dumbest shit In my feed it's unreal

>>105766959
Because it implies this is an inherently sexual/romantic field devoid of entertainment value when a lot of vtubers (male or otherwise) want to be liked for their content and not because their audience wants to fuck them, just like an other genre of content creation. Considering what rises to the top, it's kind of true.
Brotubers aimed at straight men exist, but they're a niche within a niche and you can count the ones that can actually make a living off streaming on one hand.

>>105767953
>If I'm going to watch a male streamer you have to play a niche autism game
This, I watch my oshi because I think she's cute and endearing while also having pretty varied game choices, so she's regularly streaming things I'm interested in watching. I watch male streamers too, some even use vtuber avatars, but I watch them because they cater to a niche I'm interested in most of the time (speedrunning or other misc. autism).
I will grant that I'm more willing to watch totally random variety stuff from my oshi than from some random dude (though I still watch some people who do variety of a specific genre I'm into).

>>105766821
If you want to be a successful male streamer then go the flesh route.

>>105768299 (me)
Also, this disparity isn't even a phenomenom exclusive to vtubers. Look up the stats on male/female nurses for example, I've seen men complain about the disparity on that field too.

>>105766959
People like vox hate that the only thing his fans want is to suck his cock and want to believe that women like him for his stunning personality and personal attributes and not just because his model looks hot and he can do a deep voice

>>105767178
Men just want to watch guys being dudes which is why I only watch Chaika and Yashiro.

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>>105768405 (not me)
Same in Cosplay. Your only choices for success as a male are:
1. Be a 'Benny' and build shit for your gf/wife to wear and take credit for (less effective than it used to be since they only need Aliexpress lingerie now)
2. Just be a crafter and write books on how to craft (preferably with a woman on the cover)
3. Be a bodybuilder with 2% bodyfat, 10/10 genetics, high-tier craft skills, charisma and industry contacts (only 2 guys have pulled this off).
Otherwise, low-effort Fem versions of male characters are more popular than you will ever be.

>>105767334
The vtubing audience is mostly male and the industry is historically female-dominated
Male vtubers don't NEED to target a female demographic, but it's significantly more difficult to convince male viewers to watch male vtubers

This will inevitably change the more vtubing breaks into the mainstream and reaches wider audiences
One thing that doesn't help is that the most-successful male vtubers primarily interact with female vtubers. Shoto, PorcelainMaid, Lord Aethelstan and others are primarily associated with their close streaming friends who are all female. This is partially a consequence of vtubing being female-dominant of course.

As an example, when YourAverageBo started appearing on Vedal's streams, he was lifted from a literal who to like 200+ CCV. Nothing crazy sure, but it demonstrates the power larger creators have to uplift others. That's kind of already a known quantity, but it works just the same for male vtubers. It just has to happen more often.

>>105766821
There are a ton of successful male streamers who don't even have a camera, why waste money on a vtuber model? You can't tell me it's not to hit on female vtubers

>>105768299
>>105768405
and is not only about amount of viewers but revenue too, a dude needs like 200 ccv to compare to a girl 50 ccv makes on donations.

>>105769372
But how else will they worm their way into female vtuber pants?

>>105769372
>There are a ton of successful male streamers who don't even have a camera
dont focus on the successful cases, look at the whole field.

>>105766821
There's really only one kind of guy I could see being properly successful with all groups and they'd have to be so bizarrely genuine all while fighting an uphill battle the entire time that I doubt they'd ever actually get anywhere. They'd have to be like doomguy up against all the other male vtuber.

>>105767047
>Genuinely curious, why do you think that is?
The statement is misleading. It's not a matter of there being more males or fewer females in the fanbase. It's the fanbase itself. There is a fuckton of overlap with the vtuber fanbase and the anime fanbase. The anime fanbase in general leans toward an interest in cute girls. This is why most gachas(another thing that has a large overlap with the anime audience) either sell you females exclusively or a female majority and games focused on males are niche. LADS is doing well but that's only because it has basically the entirety of the audience that it's catering to.

That's really all there is to it. Anime fans tend to like seeing cute girls more than cute boys. There are a very small handful of extremely successful male vtubers and they are consuming a vast majority of the niche audience who cares about watching males.

>>105767047
Female vtubers act like cute anime girls
Male vtubers still act like men

Lets be honest, most male vtubers are boring.
Men will watch cute girl for no reason because woman.
They will not watch boring man for no reason.

Give men a interesting reason to watch, get viewers.
If you go with generic gamer boy or millennial podcast crap, consider yourself done before you start.

>>105768926
What the fuck is this image kek men really just make shit up to victimize themselves

>>105769780
>Male vtubers still act like men
Lol no they don't, they act like whiny boys or thirsty losers

>>105769851
neither of you are wrong.

>>105769372
>You can't tell me it's not to hit on female vtubers
From the people ive talked talked to, some of it is branding, some of it is retention, some of it is to have anything to stand out in a crowd of tens of thousands of streams, some of it was just that they were fans of vtubers and wanted to be part of that subset of the community instead of the streaming community as a whole.
Something like having more than 10 concurrent viewers puts you at he top 3% of streamers on twitch. So doing anything to stand out is the name of the game

>>105766959
Yeah in the vtuber sphere there are a fair amount of women and girls who want to watch cute boys or hot guys, but they're not nearly as large in comparison to guys. Vtubing is a niche, the audience is there for a niche, and trying to find a niche inside of a niche rarely leads to anything fruitful. 9 times out of 10, if you're a man, you're better off streaming without a vtuber avatar altogether because it only serves as a debuff for views.

>>105769586
>>105769917
You're right, I didn't consider that the successful ones are only a fraction of a percentage of people who tried. That being said, i wonder if there's something about a majority of people who choose to become male vtubers that contributed to their lack of success

>>105770493
Perspective. Most of them are fans of female vtubers, not male vtubers, so they unconsciously follow their lead. Funny thing is that they like those girl vtubers regardless of whether they're crazy funny, original or creative so they as well don't push themselves to be those things because to them it's not apparent they need to be that way. They kind of just clock in, clock out and that's it.

>>105766821
As a guy I don't want to watch some irritating faggot. It's not rocket science. I wouldn't go to a concert of some K-pop boyband either. It's telling that the most successful male vtubers had somewhat ugly designs that weren't trying to appeal to the ladies. Of course, magni left precisely because he wanted that kind of design.

They didn't understand Vesper's appealthough with his weirdly hot redesign he used for one day.. Aruran turned into some Zoomer DJ and lost a lot of his appeal too.

>>105767047
Most male vtubers are dorky and nerdy, both personality and voice
They give off icky and creepy energies

Also when a girl uses a vtuber avatar it’s like she is protecting her chastity + making herself cuter
When a guy does it, it’s like “Why isn’t he showing his real face and body? Is he insecure?”
Same reason makeup is okay for women and not for men

Lastly women want the top guy, while men are okay with middle of the road girls or even following multiple girls. Women will concentrate on one streamer like Hassan, because he is the hottest and most popular, while the men will spread out.

Honestly if a male vtuber wants to succeed they should be a femboy and pander to men. Dunno if anyone tried this yet

>>105766821
Men who are actually entertaining to watch dont become vtubers.

>>105767118
For me, I only watch female vtubers but only watch male sports

>>105767047
Women don't find streaming to be a very attractive profession, much less streaming with an anime avatar to hide your face. That's basically all it is. The kinda men that become vtubers are generally already unattractive and women know this. If they were attractive they'd be streaming with a facecam. The fact they don't means they're unworthy of female attention, in the mind of the average female.

Men on the other hand are less shallow and more willing to suspend their disbelief, so female vtubers have a much easier time gaining popularity without "proving their value" through a face reveal.

Go to any male vtuber communities and literally 90% of the posts are just about doxxposting and their fans arguing about the person behind the avatar. Women just genuinely cannot feel attraction to a man without knowing his real world status.

>>105767334
Male streamers succeed on personality, wit and talent, not counting industry plants like hasan and kai cenat. Women compensate for a lack of these by being cute. L2ds make them cute. A dude using an avatar is as appealing as a dude wearing makeup.

Male vtubers made a misandrist and rabid feminist.

why do all vtubers type in capslock all the time using the crying emoji and overreacting to everything

Too often the dude tubers are trying to emulate the girl tubers.
The girls live off being thrown simp bucks like a stripper.

Men cannot do that.

Only way that works is by going shota bait, yaoi bait, or both.
Then you end up with a fujo audience of rabid women who will tear anything apart that gets in range.
Thus your audience is limited to rabid fujos and growth highly limited.

Plenty of male streamers avoid this by being interesting in their niche, there are far more successful dudes than girls.
And many dudes outside the vtubing sphere without facecam (usually game avatars of some sort, minecraft, cod, variety, etc) are more successful than female streamers.

Male vtubers need to stop thinking they can emulate a woman stripping on a pole, and think "how do I maximise the dudes who might buy by fucking awesome merch in between sponsor segments".

>>105773129
The misogyny on a board based around watching female vtubers is always fascinating.

>>105766821
Male vtubers are basically women NBA.
no one wanna watch them, they solely exist for the sake of it.

>>105773177
My apologies, the comparison was incorrect. When you give a 20 to a stripper she’ll give you a lapdance
You pay 150 dollars to make a fart noise on her stream

>>105766821
first stage productions is mogging phase with their respective last gens, I don't see the problem. :)

>>105768274
Explain why all male Vtuber models that are popular either fall into the Ikemen category or the twink category then faggot?

>>105769851
Yeah just like I said, male vtubers still act like men.

Why do people keep using Vesper as some holy and perfect example of a male vtuber when he was actually gay and had a faggy lisp in his voice? I thought you all hated faggots?

>>105773881
we like based faggots who dont make it their entire personality

This entire thread is just men who don't watch male vtubers nor are interested in ever watching them and have never interacted with a woman outside their family speaking as if they do watch male vtubers and know all about women. It's fascinating to witness such blatant disconnect from the subject.

>>105773881
Because vesper was and still remains the only example of a successful male vtuber who actually had a male audience

>>105766821
Who is the top streamer in the world? Men. Who is the best reactor on twitch? Men. Who is award winning gamer in all kind of pc games? Men. Who hosted competition and challenge video that have hundreds million of views? Men. So the male vtubers should look at themselves in the mirror and stop blaming women for their own failure

The guys who whine about this are the guys who spend a dumb amount on a model and then their "content" is 4 hours of silver ranked apex and 6 hours of replyguying to girls and swearing that if the evil parasocials didn't exist they'd be popular because they could collab (leech) more.

I want to be a brotuber. What are the keys to success? So far it seems:

-stream every day
-don't be a sexpest
-don't be an ikkeman
-never face reveal

>>105774244
>never face reveal
does this really matter for men?

>>105767047
Mostly skill issue. In JP male and female vtuber have equal footing

>>105774244
You need to be very good at something, and also be charismatic. If you are not charismatic you can suck up to blackrock and night media and have them promote you
Also helps if you have lots of friends who hype you up
Being a sexpest doesnt matter. 95% of streamers are sex pests

>>105774266
Sometimes. It killed dream

>>105769372
This. They are sexpests from the very start

Male vtubers are just not meant to be successful in large, yeah there are certainly big male vtubers but they are an exception. Its just that the things that make male fleshstreamers popular, being entertaining/good at games, does not translate well into being a male vtuber where your model is going to be more appealing to women, and just having the anime aesthetic turns off most people so they'll just stick with fleshstreamers. Meanwhile its the opposite for women, female fleshstreamers are mostly not as popular as men and are generally only liked because of their looks. But for female vtubers, they are popular the same reason male fleshstreamers are cause they're entertaining but also have the cute girl aesthetic that is much more appealing to men than it is to women. I'm just so tired of seeing beggars use the same shit arguments that have been beaten to death over why the boys aren't popular. Its simply the fact that they are in a company that is dominated by female members and male fans

>>105768926
A man who looks and dresses decent will mog someone who fulfills like 90% of that list.
Also, women don't like gym rats. They want a man who looks handsome naturally, not a muscle body.

>>105773881
He has some gay stalker in this place

>>105774329
I am decently charismatic but all my friends are normies and druggie degens I've grown away from so I mainly just want to hang around people who are interested in gaming and art and streaming

I'm also rich from crypto so I don't care much about donos

>>105774329
Think like a female won't work for a male chubba, idiot

>>105774405
>women don't like gym rats
Completely false. Men with muscles on upper body get laid more often than those don't

>>105766821
I legit don't even know of any male vtubers other than the handful that have shown up when henya was in a collab with others. If I am going to watch a guy stream a game I am more likely to watch someone like oney or mark instead of some fake anime boy.

>>105768926
bad take. make more than 100k and you can get a mid woman who will have kids with you without having to do anything else. be prepared for the divorce rape in 10 years though

>>105766821
holostars jp might have failed anyway, but yagoo being indecisive by first making them a taboo and then completely flip-flopping on his policy regarding the relationship with hololive when they failed surely didn't help
and both in the case of jp and en they had to play catch-up with nijisanji

>>105766821
consdering there are extremely ugly male youtubers like charlie and asmon who are extremely popular I feel any male vtuber is a truly horrible ogre like being which makes me not want to watch

Ah... The usual "Real Male Vtubers never been tried!"

>>105766821
>mizumatranni the "femboy" phasemonkey dramafag vtweeter whose content is just lying about actual vtubers and sending his fellow monkeys to attack them
>"people dont like me cus im male"
yeah no

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>>105766821
Stop making them use the same CGDCT formula as for the female counterparts unless you're in only for fujobait and underage tards (in which case be happy with the numbers you pull), also if you want to cater to the male audience genshin impact ikemen/twinks models ain't gonna cut it.
If you want to cater to men with cash specifically do autistic cool shit on stream (speedrunning and breaching new records in vidya, building/modding/making things irl on stream, etc...). Heck, even non strictly speaking vtubers (eg: vedal, h2osakana) can theoretically pull more high numbers alone because of this and that's says a lot.

>>105766821
They need to hire straight out of host clubs if they want any hope of recreating Luxiem

>>105773953
>>105773177
seethe more, passive aggressive troon
ywnbaw

>>105767047
there is no female loneliness epidemic

>>105774217
>Who is the best reactor on twitch?
>outing yourself as a twitchtard
kek

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>>105766821
What are they expecting exactly, government mandated viewers to make them equal to female vtubers in noombers?

>>105767047
Women just have better things to do. Unlike men they get a lot of value out of just going outside.

>>105774266
It literally ruined Dream and Corpsehusbands careers because their female audience lost attraction after associating face to voice

>>105776087
This is nonsense. Both sexes are equally alone right now, 'male loneliness epidemic' is just media framing.

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>>105776191
Yes

>>105774244
dont. its not sustainable. if you take the traditional game route, guys would rather be playing RealMenTM games themselves than watch someone who isnt a cute girl fumble at it and youll always end up having to pander to the female audience to survive which would alienate your few remaining male audience and end up in a Vox death spiral while this >>105768447 happens to you

>>105776307
This guy has to be like 15 years old tops

>>105776317
I really don't want to stream face though. I might have to go back to a professional job someday and I don't want to get doxxed with 1000's of hours of me talking smack online out there.

i dont understand why anyone even cares about male vtubing. its one of the few industries where women have the advantage over men.

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>>105774244
Just be a fleshtuber. Plenty of normal, male fleshtubers around who just play games and chill.

Male vtubers? Theres Kenji, Shoto, thats all I got.

the only EN male vtubers that gain any easy traction are the ones catering to the gay audience by being sexually provocative

>>105769073
>YourAverageBo started appearing on Vedal's streams
He never appeared on Vedal's streams
He got raided twice by Vedal and frequently appears on Ellie's streams.

>>105766821
male vtubers need to pull an audience from beyond the vtuber sphere by doing something that is unique not only in the vtuber world but also in the wider world too
See uwo and vedal (i guess vedal doesn't count here)

>>105766821
>Male vtubers are the most oppressed minority
Oppressed by who?

>>105773881
Anons liked Vesper because he acted like an oldfag early on, then he ended up bitching out after his xcom perms got rejected.

>>105766821
Theres a ton of popular male vtubers, they're just either jp ones or their the nijisanji en ones. Considering how much vtuber fans love to console war this honestly just comes off like you retards being upset holostars do horribly more than anything, especially since their still are popularindie male chuubas in the west even if way less than in jp.

>>105767047
Believe it or not, spending time on your pc watching streams is still a male dominated hobby

>>105776213
What do women do outside?

>>105777101
Vtubers are the dominant streamer type in Japan so of course there's a higher chance for males to become popular there, they're a blip on the radar in western streaming.

>>105766821
Big fucking surprise: majority of viewers in the streaming/gaming are males, and males would rather want to watch cute/sexy anime waifu than a dude with a kpop looking ah male anime model.
More news at 6 pm.

>>105769812
If they had some interesting content they would've been making reasonably popular nocam yt videos long before vtubing ever took off.
So basically that means only people who recently entered the entertainment industry and for some ungodly reason decided to invest into a vtubing model because they wanted one might have any possibility of being entertaining.

>>105776087
This is also true. Women just sit on social media 24/7, looking up who their best girlie is fucking with right now posting random pictures of herself and will always have desperate orbiters spamming her dms. They don't desire long term interaction with streamers/vtubers as they don't need it.

>>105776233
>Dream face reveal
I just looked it up and, wow, that's kinda insane. The guy isn't even bad looking. I guess it doesn't help that a lot of people already kinda thought he was an ass tho.

>>105768926
>picrel
brother you dont need half that shit on the list to be attractive. ditch the "woe is me" complex, it makes you look ten times worse than simply being shy or a little chubby. you're so focused on looksmaxxing on the outside that you aren't paying attention to the inside.

>>105776937
Whatever, same principle

>>105767047
most women have no trouble getting bf's or they will rather go out with friends than watch streams even for niji most of their fans are super nerdy asian women with controlling parents, many of them muslim so no dating before marriage.

>>105767456
magni was never that popular with men and for both of them women were the gachis anyway.

there wasn't a single time in my life when i thought
>damn, being a white man is my biggest problem right now. this sucks!
never

>>105778803
You never applied for a iob?

>>105770624
The replies itt saying girls just need to be cute kinda prove your point. A lot of female vtubers have a creative talent like drawing, singing, playing an instrument, etc that they can use to entertain their audience. And women like clothes and makeup so their model looks good too.
But what creative talents does the average vtuber male have? Growing up on ps3 and not exploring any other hobbies leads to a boring streamer. Now pair that with an ugly model because they never took interest in dressing well and you have a recipe for failure.

>>105773881
Early Vesper was great, I still think he had one of the best debut streams of all time. Unfortunately everything went downhill from there.

>>105779183
Like classical courtesans and geishas

>>105779444
What’s a male equivalent? A street busker? Where are the chuuba guys doing karaokes and playing live music

>>105778141
This is what happens when people have an image in mind of how you look, Corpse Husband is another guy who lost his fans when it turns out he was average instead of a hot twink that his fan girls thought he looked like.

>>105779708
Femboys

>>105778803
Thanks for your thoughts on this Ramsheet

>>105776307
>phase connect
>top of the mountain

>>105776307
>0 likes
Literally who

>>105776298
Lol to this

I see no one has made the distinction yet so i will
>oppressed group
>despite making up of 20% of the vtuber population they make up 95% of the sexual harrassment/grooming allegations

There are some coal arguments in this thread defending it

>And many dudes outside the vtubing sphere without facecam (usually game avatars of some sort, minecraft, cod, variety, etc) are more successful than female streamers.
it is a bit funny that several of the no face youtubers that i watch have begun with png tubing (and the audience is either neutral or mostly positive to it), though not a single one of them goes for anime boy but more western cool stuff

>>105773881
Vesper was good for 2 weeks before coming out as a vindictive retard with anger issues.

>>105781076
Male creators, streaming with cam or without it are kinda forced to become png creators if they want to collab with vtubers. Having a dude irl face cam next to a vtuber in collab is weird af, and if they don't have facecam/png people watching a collab get confused.

>>105767047
It's like sports. Why watch women play when you can see more skillful play by watching men.

>>105767047
A very large portion of men get no attention from women and nobody cares about them. They can watch vtubers to pretend to have relationship with them (parasocial) and even pay to get attention. That's widely not the case with women. Women get attention all the time.

>>105766821
Vtubing (or idol culture in general real) is fundamentally about sociopathic upper-middle-class liberal arts majors milking horny incels. Female incels don't exist so there's no market for a coresponding idol demographic.

>>105778703
yeah fair

>>105779183
>sigh
>ybdbd
>hate marketing
there's at least 3. There are many more talented ones who are not in the spotlight

>>105779408
Initially I was excited about Vesper because I eagerly assumed an older nerd would be rather knowledgeable in multiple fields (e.g. philosophy or stem or history). But no, he didn't have any subject-specific knowledge.
That was why I was excited for male vtubers. I thought some would resort to the knowledge niche but those hopes were dashed. I know the buff guy from gen 2 is smart but he doesn't seem to do many knowledge streams. Funnily enough Ellie Minibot is the closest match for such a person.

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>>105766821
all, and I mean ALL male vtubers are sex pests.
women, especially older women, need cute anime girl avatars in order to be watchable, but there is absolutely no reason for a man to use a fuckboy twink anime avatar, than to pick up easily impressed lonely/desperate women
>proof?
literally any male vtuber eventually

>>105782077
>Female incels don't exist so there's no market for a coresponding idol demographic.
Who do you think Nijisanji caters to?

>>105775974
Damn someone feels extra called out. He's even obsessing over trannies when there are none. Fascinating.

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>Get shit on for being a minority in a clearly misandrist field
>Point this out and stand your ground instead of being a cuck
>Thousands of simps and crabs insist you're actually a hecking sexpest

I also love the playbook of "anyone who shows even a slight approval of male vtubers is a homobeggar because they are not throwing money at them every stream" as if to imply this entire hobby lives and dies by niggercattle capitalism

>>105774120
He still had a majority female audience and even said this on stream. So even though you guys had a supposedly perfect "brotuber" that fit everything you wanted in one, you still didn't watch and support him.

>>105782487
Who are you even referring to? This website is full of anonymous people who prefer to pirate most media. Do you unironically believe most of /vt/ is financially supporting any vtuber whatsoever, male or female?

>>105781491
the ones i watch doesnt collab with vtubers, hell they do not collab with anyone, they just record their gayming videos and stream sometimes

>>105776087
The male "loneliness epidemic" is entirely self-inflicted. Take a shower and talk to people.

>>105777148
Take photos and post on social media

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I watched Vinny long before vtubers even existed and all a male vtuber has to do to get me to watch him is to be as charming as Vinny. It's really just that simple. It's not my fault they can't do that.

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>>105766821
It's almost like a sizable amount of female Vtubers does not overlap with the content of their non-Vtuber counterparts. And being a male Vtuber is just being the anime version of a normal male streamer, and why would I watch an anime boy play random popular game when I can watch any other big streamer play the same game.

>>105774120
>actually had a male audience
Pretty sure when he read his metrics at one point he said he had more female fans watching him than male. Hell, that's why they were one of the shittiest fan bases- they were predominantly young 20s daddy issue chicks who went menhera for him.

Actually, of all of HQ, I remember Axel looking at his metrics and saying he had a 50/50 split of male and female viewers, while the rest mentioned being at 40/60 or 30/70 male to female viewers.

>>105767047
Male vtubers are mostly still dorky nerds. If they aren't blessed with a good voice and acting ability despite being a gross nerd then they will go nowhere.

>>105774244
All the male streamers I watch are pro/top players in video games. This doesn't match up with what Vtubers are variety/just chatting.

women only watch someone AFTER they are popular

>>105766821
Meanwhile, women sports don't have near the audience as men.

>>105767047
cuteness is largely a female concern. girls who want cuteness will usually watch other girls.

>>105783775
Explain Holostars and FSP then. They are less popular than Niji boys but still have fans that watch exclusively one or the other.

>>105766959
it's mostly because of posters similar to you who constantly circlejerk about this.

>>105766821
Vedal is just so ahead of all of the others

>>105767047
the women who fit into the criteria are only attracted to already existing success, and they'll bot their retarded faggots to insane amounts, meanwhile the regular homos get deluded by those fake bloated numbers, when reality is much less favorable to them

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I think most people in general, regardless if they're men or women, assumed that vtubing would be some get quick rich scheme. It's not; I'd wager that most skilled professionals in majority of fields ends up bringing in more income for less hours worked total that a top performing vtuber. Being an entertainer is a fun career but it's highly competitive and has plenty of hidden costs.

>>105773677
You're proving my point. Heavenlyfather is the only 4view with a model that isn't at least a partial turn-off for straight men. There's multiple models that look like shounen characters or neutral animals or whatever, and yet almost all of them are 2view with a few just barely breaching the 3view barrier. It's going to lead people to believe very few people watch this genre for the love of the genre itself and not as a hypercharged parasocial sex/romance replacement.
>>105774120
Stop thinking Hololive is the only place vtubers exist.

Successful male vtubers with an explicitly male audience:
Heavenlyfather
Lordaethelstan
Porcelainmaid
Uwoslab
Zoranthewizard
Some of these have a higher consistent average than Vesper ever had.

>>105773953
Nah, I ONLY watch male vtubers because I hate women. I don't interact with the fanbase at all, so why should I care if other women are watching? Doesn't stop Bettel from being really funny.

Death to all male chuubas.

>>105786495
>I ONLY watch male vtubers because I hate women
Okay based, female vtubers are cringe

>>105772222
There are some femboys but that's even more niche since it's gay, but the kind of gay that yaoi fans don't like.

>>105767352
Single digit female viewership is pretty common in the small corpo space

>>105778641
No one swipes right on your inside, what a fucking cope. If women liked personality better than visuals they wouldn't always have a history with an abusive ex.

>>105767433
deformity is one of the first things that disqualifies a man in women's eyes

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>>105766821
I kinda want to get a Vtuber model that is just me but with all my unflattering features exaggerated.
Make the eyes beadier, make the nose larger, make the chin smaller, pull the hairline back another inch or two. But still in an anime art style.
Then just go on well-sourced rants about Balkan ethnic demographics despite not having Balkan ancestry. I think that'd be great.

>>105786495
I suspect you also only fuck men because you hate women

>>105786342
Personally I don't count babinikus since they are using the female imagery to draw viewers and hope they stay for their personality.
A male vtuber is a vtuber that explicit streams as a male avatar, from your list, the only regular dude is Heavenlyfather.
Lord leeched of his girlfriend Nyanners and his design is clearly made to attract females.
Porcelain is a babiniku.
Uwo doesn't even call himself a vtuber, it's more of a pngtuber like a regular youtuber and his streams are very experimental and he didn't even break 100k.
Don't know anything about zoran so I'll give you him, but still less than 100k subs.

I'm curious for the brotuberfags in here. Who is the best example of a current, non-graduated, corpo vtuber and why?

Isn't the top vtuber a male? Vedal?