Should indie vtuber or even corpo vtubers start to unionize for better benefits? It's ridiculous that vtubers, essential workers in this time of crisis, are barely making ends meets for their medical bills and other house bills. I don't know what else they can do.
>>105792267So uh where's the father to pay?
>>105792349A blue-collar worker can provide for his family no more.
>>105792267
God bless USA
>>105792267You're supposed to budget for when you have a kid.
>>105792267No health insurance? I thought the ACA makes it pretty affordable now for self-employed people (who knows how long that will last with this administration though...)
>>105792586lol
>>105792267Or dont have kids if you dont have money
>>105792267If you can't pay you only need to pay for like 10% you just declare you can't afford it
>>105792586Depends on the state. It's very affordable where I live because you get discounts depending on income, but I heard in some red states you get really fucked over.
What happens if you can't pay? Do they push the babby back in?
>>105792267>essential workers in this time of crisis>barely making ends meets for their medical bills and other house billslol
>>105792586Its never been particularly "affordable." You will still pay a lot for shit coverage.That said, I too have been thinking of maybe starting some sort of union or other organization to obtain group insurance for vtubers. This would require one to obtain an insurance producer license for any state involved: Fortunatly, most states offer reciprocal licensing, so once you obtain one license you can get more: If you pay. NY has its own weirdo insuance system that is incompatible with the rest of the country, so that requires its own special license again, no reciprocity.In short, not quite worth persuing from my end... yet.
>>105792803They take the baby and sell it for parts
>>105792803Gets auctioned off to the highest bidder for that sweet, sweet adrenochrome.
>>105792267>Should indie vtuber or even corpo vtubers start to unionizeyes. workers of the world unite
>be American>pay $9k and the tip of your dick just to be born
>>105792267Imagine being a Burger-peasant KEK. Second world country on its way to becoming a third world one
>>105792267Benefits from who? Google? YouTube? What do you do if they don't pay, go on strike and inevitably have scabs perform great because no one is going live?
>>105792267home births were a thing for thousands of yearsthe american medical industry has only been a thing for a few decades.you get what you deserve
>>105792803they sell the baby to the highest bidder (I'm not joking)
>>105792267Her cuck entourage will pay for it
>>105792666Anon 90% of the country doesn't have money anymore for that.
>>105793406In her defense, she said she stayed a few days due to complications, if it's true and neither her or the hospital were bullshitting, then home birth would've been a horrible idea
>>105792267A significant number of EN chuubas are from Canada, Europe, or currently live in Asia. This is an almost entirely uniquely American problem so I don't see what benefit it would have for the others to take strong negotiating stances on things like health insurance.There's perhaps an argument to be made for collective bargaining in terms of contract fairness but in reality it's such a globalised market that it'd be impossible to really implement.
>>105792267Why did OP block out the date, is it because I remember this fucking thread 5 months ago?
>>105792586trump and the republicans gutted the ACA and have now shut down the government over wanting to make sure what little helps it gives is forced to lapse along with gutting medicaid (government assisted healthcare for the poor), which is resulting in healthcare premiums increasing by 100% or more. Also they're lying about undocumented immigrates taking medicaid, they are not eligible for any services like that.If you live in a blue state you might be better off because they're willing to put money back into their people via their medicaid system, but a majority of places though...>>105792267Unions in this case aren't the best solution for out of control health care costs like in the OP, you need a nationalized healthcare system.But as for the idea of trying to create an insurance pool for vtubers, it would be too small. Maybe if you have one that includes all streamers, or online entertainers though.
>>105792267what is the status of labor unions in japan
>>105792267>Imagine paying for hospitalsAnyway, surely she would have at the very least set aside a similar amount of the mentioned friends bill, right? Right?
>>105792586Only if you live in a blue state, Republican governor's reject the federal funding for ACA and so you won't get shit in a red state whereas in a blue state like California you can apply for medical/Medicaid and they will cover all your bills if you qualify.
>>105792267I would have given her a miscarriage for free
>>105792267>indie>unionWho the fuck you're going to demand shit from? Your audience?
>>105792267lmao
>>105793299Jokes on you, Moomi is catholic and they don't do that.
>>105792586Depends on where you live. Red states pay in to medicaid and only blue states get benefits. Because republicans bad or something.
>>105793082chuba x-hort makes them the worst demographic to insure short of rounding up the morbidly obese. Like a third to half of vtubers have some chronic condition or another.
>>105792349Her chatroom
>>105792349$9000 is a lot of fuckin' money for two people, too
>>105799354The slave has little to say what its master does or doesn't do, anon.
>>105792586See they name bills and such ironically, the "affordable" care act was designed to make healthcare more expensive and charge you if you don't want to pay for it.
>>105792349I left to buy some cigarettes(I don't smoke).
>>105792586Fuck no. It made insurance more expensive for everyone who isn't a welfare leech. "affordable" my ass.
>>105792586Hospitals jack up the price 1000% because they know the government/insurance will pay a percentage of it. It's unironically cheaper to say you don't have insurance in some instances because they'll actually try to charge you something more reasonable so they get their money.
>>105792267$9k ain't shit, my birth bill was over $200k
>>105801109bro had a massive ass head and had to have his mother surgically reassembled after his birth
>>105792666This. Don't want or can't afford kids? Then keep your legs closed. And no this doesn't give the man a pass. But seriously, don't take a load in you if you aren't protected or prepared for the worst outcome. And let's not start "they didn't know the hospital bill"... Please, this women probably 20+, this isn't a kid. Gimmi a fucking break.
>>105801444>Please, this women probably 20+, this isn't a kid. Gimmi a fucking break.Millennial women were already retarded womanchildren and they're 30+. Zoomer women literally get confused by basic concepts like "men do not give you free money for existing".
>>105792267Fuck em
>>105800305I need a source of that because that can't be right at all
I believe her but why does that number look photoshopped lol
>>105792267Do Americans really have to PAY for giving birth wtf????????
>>105793406>if you don't want to die>you deserve to go into debtI hope a plague hits your family.
>>105799354One of my friends asked his son not to be cut but they did it anyways because the request wasn't conveyed to the snipper. Absolutely diabolical.
>>105802248Oh, it was conveyed.
>>105802155Living in a dream. Have been on a high since the mid 90s. It's coming down now though.
>>105792267Unionize against who? Union only benefit for hired worker (which is company vtuber, not independent one)
If this chick can't afford a few thousand dollars over her expected bill (and don't get me wrong, it is a lot of money for a lot people) then she has no business having children. It's incredibly selfish of her to try and raise a child when she can't afford unexpected medical bills. What happens when something else comes upSorry timmy, you'll just have to live Reith your gimp arm for life
>>105802411Not true, unions only benefit the people running it. The actual workers just trade who is fucking their ass raw. If they are lucky their new master might use lube but often it's just more of the same shit.
>>105802873unions also royally fuck over the non-unionized workers working in the same industry
>>105803116as God intended
>>105803195>we fight for the working class>except for you faggots hahahaha suffer losersthis is why nobody likes these mafia thugs
>>105803328Why would they fight for scabs?
>>105803984A better question is why should we pay you protection money?
>>105803984>le scab maymayyou don't build "worker solidarity" by fucking over other workers for your own benefit. maybe try to convince them to your side instead of some stupid us vs them shit. union membership is at an all time low because of retarded outdated tactics from 100 years ago
>>105803116>>105802873>Corporate Right to work (for less) bootllickers spottedConservative workers embrace crab mentality and are surprise pikachu face when other people don't bother standing up for them and then have the audacity to cry about it
>>105802873What a load of bullshit. I'm in a union and they've been huge for protecting our benefits over the last 5 years or so in particular.Are unions without problems or even corruption in some cases? Of course not. And in a couple of professions I don't think they should have the power they have to cover up malfeasance. But they are absolutely miles better than no unions at all. They're the only collective power workers have.The idea that unions only ever benefit the people running them is just entirely divorced from reality, and even in the individual anecdotes where it's been the case the solution is better legal regulation of unions, not "unions bad".
>>105804358>implying you make more under union slaveryI sure do love having another hand in my cookie jar. It's bad enough having the gubment steal my wages without a bunch of greedy fags who don't even work in the industry doing the same. Again anon, what benefit do I get for paying my protection money? Because it's sure as fuck not conditions or pay or insurance or hours or job security.
>>105804476Just out of curiosity, are you in europe? Because from what I hear the unions over there actually do their job. In burgerland however they are scams and nothing more. This is often a common disconnect from what I've seen, with euros thinking all unions work like their's.
>>105804481>Says this when trump is now openly stealing a quarter of billion dollars from the American people via the DoJ and conservatives are defending it.Spare me your moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy.
>>105804617Oh, you are brown. Carry on. No sense arguing with you.
>>105804649>Get caught dead to rights>ProjectsOf course you wouldn't have an American flag.
>>105804724>he thinks illegals are americansBROWN
>>105804777Looks like this foreign bot is broken.
>>105804273Worker soldarity? You're the one who didn't join the union. You don't get to dust off the concept of "solidarity" as a rhetorical weapon when it suits you. Could just as easily ask if you make a note of striking alongside your unionized brethren as a non-union member, when they're fighting for better pay or benefits? I suspect the answer is "fuck no".Their job is to look out for the labor interests of their members - including where those interests might come in to conflict with labor that chooses to stand alone.
>>105804835Lotta words to say please give me your money without anything in return.
>>105792267Just make payments.
>>105792267do a subathon nigga
>>105805087Evidently too many for you to actually read, in fact.
>>105792267Unionization will help you in the short run if 1) you manage to collectivize before your asshole employer manages to put a stop to it and 2) shutting down or moving the business to a place with less union protections isn't feasible.In the long run, though, it winds up creating a corrupt labor aristocracy that works closely with the bourgeoisie to stifle revolution.The actual solution is the smashing of the bourgeois state, the abolition of private property, and the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat.
>>105804835cool, enjoy being irrelevant by the end of the century as union membership erodes to nothing. corpos will bitch slap you around but hey you stuck it to those heckin scabarinos
>>105805241mmhmm, now tell me what tangible benefits I get. Real things only please, nothing conceptual like "solidarity" or "working in your interest" or "dude trust me you will totally get a bigger pay check".
>>105792267WHAT, 9000?! THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT!
>>105792267A condom would prevent that bill
>>105802246Just keep your legs closed whore lol
>>105802873americans are brainwashed beyond belief
>>105805529More like that's just how unions work in america. Not every country's unions actually do their job.
>>105792267You can't unionize as contractors
>>105805552>get fucked by corporations>get fucked by unions run like corporations grim
>>105793406You know what also was a thing for thousand of years?Death at childbirth
>>105792267>huge arrow pointing to the pricedo americans really, lmao
>americans yell at white people to not have kids if they dont have the money while importing billions of jeets to make up for itconservatives are their own biggest enemies
>>105805529They're not entirely wrong. Lenin correctly pointed out that trade unions are only an embryonic form of class consciousness. The bourgeoisie will always eventually corrupt and neutralize any successful union movement. Their class power must be smashed.
>>105805704Not nearly as common as you might think. What was more common was kids dying before reaching ten or so. There was a reason people had large families, because even if little timmy bit the dust little jimmy might not.
We need all chubas to see this. Especially the white ones, they have no business having kids in the first place (they're not native to the US) so I am glad hospital bills like this will hopefully make most of them think twice before letting a homo stick it inside
>>105805736In other words, power corrupts but I stick the age old adage into my retarded religious prophecies about inevitable revolutions and utopian futures.
>>105805774>SEAnigger hut dwellersIt's a bit sad if you remember that even these """people""" somehow managed to set up halfway functioning healthcare systems.
>>105805720You're confusing conservatives with the rich. Conservatives don't want the jeets but they are so cuckes they will always vote for some rich guy with a vested interest in bringing in more cheap workers
>>105805891If that’s true, why does Jelly want an Aryan baby from a white man?
>>105805891Can you really count witch doctors as a healthcare system?>>105805938That's just nature's way. Asian girls are all like that.
>>105805938She just follows the call of her ancestors and knows deep down who her masters are.
>>105805861true communism has never been tried anon. in 2 more weeks, landwhale la'queesha and all other food stamp recipients will rise up with the proletariat and crush the dirty bourgeoisie pigs!
>>105805720Trump is slave to jews.Jews own big tech.Big tech want jeets.Trump import the jeets.Vote democrat. Get flooded with latinx, africans and muslims. Americans are fucked.
>>105805861No, idiot, not utopian.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_BiWhvVyA
>>105801771>men do not give you free money for existingThis entire board goes against that very logic
>>105806093Like clockwork. Every time a subject merits discussion of scientific socialism, you nutbars come in here with anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
>>105805891To be completely fair the flips I've seen online are all psychotic. But every immigrant I've met was pretty decent. I had a co worker philipino who was a hardworking catholic family man.It's the boomer zoomer divide maybe.
>>105792267how about america just fixes itself and quit being an embarrassment on a national level?
>>105806121This commie really called me an idiot then linked to his fucking favorite three hour political podcast as if it's a response.
>>105806046It has to go through lower-stage communism, a.k.a. socialism, first. The first attempts were the worst because they were the first. A scientific aocialist takes the data from those attempts and iterates. Chuds and doomers just whine.
>>105806239It's an audiobook, not a podcast.
>>105806228Unfortunately with demographics as they are that's simply impossible. It's not even about what groups those demographics are made of, simply that there are too many people from too many different cultures and as such it's easy to play everyone against everyone else any time someone starts to make any headway and destroy any progress.
>>105792349he smashed and dashed
>>105806299This is reactionary nonsense.
>>105806171>Every time a subject merits discussion of scientific socialismno discussion merits that drivel. why don't you tards try your little theories on some third world shithole and then if it's a success, we'll consider it here. oh wait, it has been tried to miserable failure multiple times and the most successful implementation of it (north korea) is literal hell on earth
>>105806252Yes yes we know, your cult has to go through the re-education brainwashing phase before you can turn everyone into perfect little worker-bots. Then take away power from the red aristocrats like pulling a rug out from under a table. Then bam!Lenin and you are both religious cultists.Now I'm gonna stop because /vt/ jannies love to b& for this.
>>105802021It's 100% correct. For example say you get a surgery that costs $2000 perform, if you say you have insurance, the Hospital will charge the insurance company an extra $3000 so it'll be $5000 total for the surgery, you only have to pay $2k and the insurance pays $3k, seems like a fair deal. But the issue is some insurance companies won't pay the full $3k and will instead take the $2K leaving you to pay the $3k.But if you say you don't have insurance, the hospital will just charge you the $2k. So it might end up cheaper for you. And your insurance company is taking money from you every month so you're actually losing way more money.
>>105806370No, it's simple attention paid to history. Look at that whole occupy wallstreet shit years ago and the years of division that followed that followed and is still ongoing. This is what will always happen, what always has happened.
>>105806313No he didn’t. She clarified that her husband is a Journeyman Electrician and he’s white.
>>105806412America is the shithole. Fortunately, more people are starting to see through white noise like this post.>>105806429/vt/ jannies are correct to ban you for this stupidity.
>>105806454>Look at that whole occupy wallstreet shit years agoNo, I don't think I will put too much stock in that disorganized drum circle.
>>105806525Not for my views you fucking moron. Because it's offtopic. We're both in b& range. Holy shit.
>>105806525>America is the shithole. Fortunately, more people are starting to see through white noise like this posthaha so true comrade. us socialists have finally achieved class consciousness and won over the working class by electing trump
>>105806594>haha so true comrade. us socialists have finally achieved class consciousness and won over the working class by electing trump
>>105799961shouldn't be to americans considering you have entry level jobs starting at 6 figures
>>105806493>he believed herLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>105806988Haha, y-yeah.
>>105807092Why do you doubt her.
>>105806988>you have entry level jobs starting at 6 figuresWhere the fuck did you get that idea
>>105807165She's a woman. Doubting her is a prerequisite.
>>105792267Just don't pay? What can they actually do to you?
>>105807273i'm a software engineer in europe and everyone in my field always seethes about how much higher salaries are in the US. a junior entry level dev in the US makes more than senior devs do here, while paying less taxes too
>>105807462Hurt her credit score?
>4chan thinks the white race is being replaced and women need to be pregnant constantly pumping out babies and the family unit is under siege and women should be executed for having abortions and blah blah blah>also it's based and epic that just birthing a child nevermind actually keeping it alive is so expensive that nobody can afford itWait so do incels actually believe in anything? Or are you all just nihilistic fags who want everyone to suffer?
>>105807462>What can they actually do to you?This nigga will kick down your door and repo that baby.
>>105807465Nigga I dunno if anyone's told you but nobody's getting entry level software engineering jobs in AmericaNew graduates are giving up after months of job searching and thousands of applications and taking their degrees to fuckin' Walmart
>>105807465What fucking entry level jobs? That shit is completely replaced by hb1s unless you know a guy. And odds are you don't. And don't even get me started on the requirements for the few entry level positions that still exist like having ten years in the industry. Entry level my ass.
>>105807465>>105807715yeah those jobs are only for pajeets now (and companies don't pay them six figures for it anymore)
>>105807465There are no junior entry jobs in the US, that's the thing lolMeanwhile in Europe you can get hired almost instantly after graduating uni.
>>105805938>Jelly want an Aryan baby from a white man. Sure anon, 3rd time the charm right. We don't use statistics and pattern recognition here.
>>105805402You get the power of collective bargaining and legal representation with your employer. What do you mean "tangible benefits"? Like a membership card and a spy decoder ring? A roll of bills with an elastic band around it?I can tell you my employer's original offer in our last round of contract bargaining, and where we ended up after months of negotiating with our union, that was much better for us and especially our pensions. That's how this works.>>105805387As opposed to you, already getting 'bitch slapped' around by the corpos? Have you actually taken a look at stats about wealth inequality and real wage growth over the last 40 years as union membership has declined? Ever wonder why lobbyists have worked for decades to undermine the power of unions in Congress, or why they go to any and all lengths to forcibly shut down even talk of their employees unionizing? Did you think that was just corporate altruism or something?
>>105792267Time to return the baby to the womb
>>105794099lmao the ACA fucking sucks dudeStraight up handout to insurance companies and fucked over anyone who actually had health insurance by eliminating zero deductible plansBronze tier deductibles are over 9k and the average family can't even afford a 500 dollar emergency expense; you might as well not even have insurance
>>105810627Good. If America was spending and collecting its money wisely, I'd doubt the empire's collapse.
>>105810627Years of republicans slowly gutting it will do that.It's like you get a car and over time, someone cuts the breaks, shatters all the windows, punctures the tires and pours sugar in the gas tank, and that same someone then blames you for what happened to the car.Only way we can unfuck things is full nationalizations, but good luck getting corrupt corporations to go along with that since they'd lose billions, if not trillions from the fact they can no longer leech off the system.
>>105792267Who's Moomi?
>>105807465>a junior entry level dev in the US makes more than senior devs do hereIt's nice, but Americans pay in other ways. I got a sleep apnea test earlier this year that was $6,500 without insurance, $3,500 with, and that doesn't include the follow-up doctor visit to interpret the test results. My sister's depression meds cost $250 every three months with insurance because she's allergic to the drug of choice so the doc had to choose a 2nd line drug. I went to a 4-year middle-tier public university that cost $22,000 a year in tuition alone, and that was considered cheap. Public transport is shitty, and because nothing is walkable, gasoline is our vehicle tax. And because of poor social support systems and poor worker protection laws, I am forced to divert more of my paycheck into a rainy day fund, further reducing my disposable income.I once saw a study (probably published 10 years ago by now) that found despite pay and tax differences, the median American and European actually end up having similar "net income" because Americans often pay more out of pocket for expenses that are either cheaper or subsidized by government in Europe. It's a system that benefits the top 10% to the severe detriment of everyone below the median.
>>105792267>9k USD for birthing a kid>I wonder why our birth rates declineHoly shit.
>>105799961$9000 is something a working man in his 30s should have saved up
>>10581286637% of americans cannot even afford a $400 emergency expense, what meaning of "should" are you using here, anon?are those 37% of americans 29 or under, or can the working man in his 30's not be expected to foot a $9000 bill after all?that doesn't include the money for raising the kid either, this is just for making sure your wife doesn't die in childbirth like a third worlder.
>>105805529Why does this thread sounds like two retarded middle class college kids pretending to know what they're talking about?
>>105792586Race to the bottom. Exploitative. Humans are trash yada yada
>>105792349this
>>105810982>years of removing illegal subsidiesThere's no point in arguing because you think committing crime 'for a good cause' is justified. You are the reason why no one can afford anything and should kill yourself.
>>105807610when in doubt, blame the richand the (((rich)))
>>105813183>what meaning of "should" are you using here, anon?"Ought to"
>>105799437lmao
>>105802873lol the corporate boot licking in here is pretty funny
>>105792803Tax billed.
>>105792267Go for it
>>105814101Yeah well we ought to be able to support ourselves and our family on a single income but guess what, we live in nightmare world
>>105802873Retard, well over half of the protections that workers in the US today even HAVE were fought for by unions. You straight up wouldn't have weekends off or the max 40 hour work weeks would instead be "work on the line until you die standing up" if they didn't lead labor strikes.
>>105801771Then why are vtubers getting hundreds of subscribers and donos a month for doing nothing
>>105813726Not the multi millionaire vtubers though they don’t count
>>105810537>waaaaahhhh i need gubmint to gib me protections from corpos that's why union membership is decliningyou "people" are such fuckin pussies. also you're a lowly wagecuck regardless of being union or non-union. take the NEETpill or the crimepill and you will ascend
>>105792267Unions are good.
>>105820121desperate men with disposable income, questionable morals and no principles
>>105799437They got what they voted for: no safety nets, no support. If grandma needs chemo she should've just saved up for it in advance. >>105801771Where the fuck do you think you are, anon?
>>105792267If you can’t actually afford it, you’re supposed to apply for financial aid and get on a payment plan. If you can’t figure that out, then you shouldn’t have children. Signed a SAHM of two.
>>105792267Baby breeders are the backbone of the society. Its nice to be a sexless neet with anime figures as a hobby, but someone will have to pay for our pensions and its these baby popping sows.I say they should have the baby birthing expenses paid by you and me and the state!
>>105799961I would understand if it was a regular health issue but nobody forced them to make a baby
>>105792267Wasn't that like half the purpose of Vshojo? And we know how that went.
>>105792267did you see the fucking shitfest with the VA mafia? unions only want money for themselves, they don't help workers
>>105801109"200,000 USD$ = PHP 11,000,000"Jesus ChristWith 11 million Philippine Pesos, I can buy a Lexus LC500 locallyhttps://www.lexus.com.ph/en/price-and-model-tools/price-list.htmlCurious though:Why does giving birth cost as much as a luxury sports car over there?
>>105792267Sure as long as they aren't in charge of managing the union or doing negotiations
>>105792267This was the original tweet:https://x.com/MoomiStar/status/1937846003568132593/photo/1So question to the Americans here:- What happens if she does not pay?Will they arrest her for non-payment?
>>105824833Two large thugs wearing flat caps will come over to her house and take all her movables
>>105824833The debt goes to a collection company that specializes in harassment and they'll hound her for payment, use the legal system to garnish any earnings, nuke her credit score, and keep adding interest to the debt.
>>105792267Suck to not be a minority, if she was one this would be free thanks to the tax contributors covering anyone that isn't from America
