>>105849389
Bump CC up. Two German Stacie's pushing everyone else around.

every tier list puts fuwawa and mococo in different positions like they're making a fucking HILARIOUS joke
it's so reddit coded

>>105849389
Bae down to C, Biboo up to A, CC up to S, Nerissa down to D, IRyS down to B

>>105849389
ame used to be THE pushover of EN

>>105849389
Ame is literally a sandbag, so she is comparable to Mori in just giving in

>>105849389
Why are you still using graduated chuubas in tier lists? Move on already.

>>105849474
Fuwawa and Mococo have very distinct behavior each

>>105849946
yeah

>Kronii as THE Stacy
>gets tilted by a vegan Becky

>>105849425
they should compete who takes more backshots

>>105852114
every stacy has a lesbo arc

is nerissa not a stacy?

>>105849389
As a non landwhale burger eater but brownfeet, what does "being a stacy" mean? It clearly isn't what I thought it was, or it's just OP being a retard.

>>105849425
Based

>>105849389
you people have such a weird definition of what a stacy is that you think Kiara is a stacy. I just don't understand it. In fact this whole list is fucked. It's like you think a stacy is determined by how they treat men around them and not women or how they fit into female friendship groups and are viewed by women or something - then again this website and board in particular is entirely populated by autistic virgin men so it's no surprise you would make an error in understanding this fundamnetal.

A woman isn't a stacy just because they talk brazenly to their chat of male orbiters in their bedroom or something, that's retarded. A stacy isn't defined by how they treat the men, nor is it even defined by how superficially extroverted and confrontational they are with the women around them either - a woman could be a loyd confident extrovert with an audience of servile male orbiters all she wants but if she is an outsider to the rest of the female friend group and they all think she is a fucking loser then she is absolutely not a stacy. You will never correctly understand female dynamics until you understand this and correct this error in your understanding.

>>105860503
Aight what's your ranking then, femanon.

>>105860503
>then again this website and board in particular is entirely populated by autistic virgin men
I wish this were true.

>>105849389
CC is your typical white giga stacy coalburner
put her in S

>>105860503
So correct us then

Drop Mumei down to B for Based Social Retard

>>105849890
tpbp

>>105862594
>>105860920
an actual stacy is an alpha woman, the queen bee, in a friendship circle of other women who they circle around and view as the top bitch in charge who they aspire to be like and protect in a clique-y manner, meanwhile they are surrounded by other women on the outer circles of the group dynamic who are jealous of said stacy and always seething about them and in competition with them, usually in underhanded manners (these are the beckys). A stacy is a woman in a female friendship/social group who is well regarded and who leads the follower women to antagonize and drive out other women.
As for their relationship to men, a stacy usually has many beta male/enuch-like/gay bff-type males who are servile to them and act in much the same manner as the defensive follower women around them (in the case of vtubers, this would be the male audience I suppose); a stacy is also a woman who easily gets the attention of alpha males and may or may not be in relationships with them but is not a whore-type women who is just plainly promiscuous and sleeps around with any men (since this is an easy attack angle for beckys to tarnish her reputation amongst other women and take her down) but a stacy can still have a high bodycount nontheless (it's just that the men in question are top-tier men that are well sought after by women and so a woman easily getting such men is viewed with respect instead). A woman who is subservient to men or is clearly servicing them and desparate for their attention is not a stacy, a stacy is a woman who men flock and who gets the alpha males, not the other way around.

A stacy is NOT a woman who is antagonistic to any and all women around them and making it all by herself; this is a very male understanding because this is how men operate which is why men here keep having this misunderstanding. Men respect men who are antagonistic to anyone, get into fights and make it all on their own, not women. Women do not respect loud annoying women who are out all by themselves fighting everyone, the female mind just doesn't operate like this.
To understand female dynamics is to understand that women are all about social groups and value social status and being within (and influencing) a social group more than anything else. Therefore a stacy is NOT 'a badass strong lone warrior but genderbent' since women just don't value this and they don't understand it - to them, such a woman is just a fucking loser, no matter how confident or extroverted she might be on her own.

>>105863365
tldr post your tier list faggot

>>105849389
I know the kiara gigastacy shit is a (retarded and unfunny) meme thats like 5 years old by now, but after that stream where she had a live breakdown talking about how every relationship shes ever been in failed miserably, the joke stopped being even kind of usable. Its like just completely making up a character in your head and spamming it everywhere

>>105863365
holy shit you really are a woman stop fucking yapping and tell us who is the top bitch of holoEN

>>105862320
>coalburner
immediate f tier

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>>105863627
>>105864568
alright then here you go
I already know you will disagree with these placements (because you simply don't understand women/can't see the dynamics/simply haven't watched enough of them to figure out how they are actually viewed/were viewed in the EN social group) but I am confident that I can explain every single placement if asked

To explain the ranking in woman social group terms:

S-tier - these are women who (even if they themselves don't seem like this to men or don't even think of themselves like this) are in the position of being the de-facto most-respected queen bitches of the group on whose word most of the other women hang and who are both the most well-connected in the group, well regarded and who other women idolize and aspire towards and are very defensive over. They simultaneously women who carry themselves with confidence and have some level of stoic 'this bitch doesn't take any shit' quality to them but also are very social and have many friends and connections at the same time. It is no coincidence that both of these women regularly have people stay over at their places, do things for the other women (such as the massages with Kronii) and have been pined after by the likes of Kiara (don't mistake this behavior for some kind of muh yuri shipping bullshit, it unironically speaks to how women act towards queen bitch women and indicates insecurity and jealousy - women are big on self-inserting in a way that men aren't)

A-tier - these are women who are well-liked and highly connected to all the other women and are in the inner circle of the queen bitches, they are also inspirational to lower women but to a lesser extent than S-tier. These women are kind of like the busybody inner guard/hens of the group who involve themselves with the rest and keep the peace whereas the S-tier stacys can just rest on their laurels and have people flock to them if they want.

B-tier - these are the generally well-liked women in the group in good social standing who are inoffensive and act as the general group, aspiring to the queen bitches but not challenging them and being generally liked by everyone (it's possible for a woman to fall down from this basic level and I believe Fauna was a B-tier earlier on before Kronii, being a queen bitch, set the marching orders when she slipped up for whatever reason). A woman can also simply fade away and move out of the social circle in this category without really making any waves as in the case of Mumei. Men can often mistakenly view women in this tier as stacys (such as Nerissa) simply due to the fact that said women are well-liked and can have mini followings of their own - but queen bitch status takes more than that.

C-tier - these are the women who aren't fully liked by everyone in the group, maybe even viewed as questionable and kind of odd or weird but still have a usefulness to the group and may even be respected by the group for a particular usefulness (as in the case of Ame), it can however also be a begrudging respect and where the woman has some connection that makes them hard to banish to D-tier even if the other women want it (as in the case of Gura) - women can ascend into B-tier here if they become well liked and respected enough but they can more easily drop into D-tier

D-tier - these are the women who are largely disliked by the group as viewed as losers and weirdos with little social standing or outright threats because they are too obviously in competition with the queen bitches. The women in this tier can often have followings (with men and other outside beckys) all on their own but as long as they are still within a social group with established stacys, they are not viewed as stacys themselves but just uppity bitches challenging the den mothers who need to be put in their place or avoided entirely until they get the message and go away. A woman doesn't even need to do anything really antagonistic to be in this tier, sometimes they can simply be viewed as just too weird and annoying to be around and banished here by default (as in the case of Mococo and Sana) - a facet of this tier that men misunderstand is that the stacys themselves don't even need to dislike the women in this tier since it can just be the follower women who are busying themselves with protecting the stacys who take some issue with said woman (in fact, a stacy being 'chill like that' can even be viewed as another thing that makes them a queen bitch by the lower women even if they think it's best for the stacy if the busybodies remove the woman she is 'too nice about')

>>105865410
I see the vision femanon, at the very least this is internally consistent. There's a sense in this that seniority is an important facet of social standing, which makes sense for a group of professional women, barring some individuals rushing up the ranks with sheer force of character (Like Gigi).
I'm a bit curious about the positioning of CC, Liz and Raora. With your metric I would have guessed they were all around the same tier.

>>105856600
She projects that as a facade but if you watch her you realize almost immediately that's she's actually kind of a hopeless autistic nerd, she literally cried on stream because she couldn't get a limited piece of merch of her waifu

>>105865864
>I'm a bit curious about the positioning of CC, Liz and Raora
CC is in B-tier due to the fact that she seems to be liked by everyone and can easily fit into any combination of the friend groups (she was in the Twilight and LOTR groups for example and can seemingly be paired with anyone and they get on well with her) however she also doesn't seem to have any particular aspirations to try to ingratiate herself with the inner circle and the queens or compete with them or to put herself on par with the A-tier girls (like in the case of Gigi who has made a point of making herself into a kind of organizer and busybody). CC seems perfectly happy to keep the peace and ride the wave so to speak, she's much like Biboo in this respect and less like Nerissa who does vaguely seem to have some kind of aspirations beyond just being in B-tier (a woman like Nerissa can easily slip up and get themselves lowered if they overplay themselves and gain too much of a following/try to aim upwards too much without ingratiating themselves with the A-tiers and the stacys)

Raora is in C-tier because she, unfortunately for her, has the default oddness factor of being an ESL and being not in the same time zone as most of B-tier upwards and she doesn't collab all that much with a diverse range of other girls. Raora is somewhat of an awkward semi-outsider but is still liked enough and inoffensive enough that she isn't viewed as a threat but she doesn't have any particularly strong connections across the board.

Liz is in D-tier because she is just simply too odd/different to the rest and too disconnected from them; she rarely collabs regularly with anyone and definitely not in diverse combinations of girls and she doesn't fit in particularly well in the collabs that she is in. Aside from the Nerissa pairing she doesn't really have much of a connection with anyone else (and even the Bloodraven ship, due to it being kind of forced and running purely on fanbase vibes and fanart, could become seen as too annoying eventually) and - unfortunately for Liz - also comes with a talent that could make her a serious threat to many of the other girls if she started being competitive with it (her singing).
I honestly debated putting Liz just in C-tier but the sheer lack of connection she has with most of the others combined with the singing thing makes me think there's a real possibility that the likes of IRyS and Bae could look at her askance and even Nerissa might low-key feel some kind of way about the fact that this odd loner who nobody really likes that much is 'the singing holo' taking the spotlight.

Something I forgot to mention in my analysis before is that women in such a social group can also be banished to D-tier due to infighting reasons amongst the other women completely regardless of anything to do with the stacys if more than one woman starts feeling the same way about said woman and collectively views them as a threat (in such a scenario, said women often justify it as somehow still being on behalf of the stacys anyway or for the good of the stacy's friend group - and the stacys can even acquiesce or just not care at all and let it happen if they see some benefit in doing so). Liz could just as easily make it into C-tier or even B-tier if she becomes more well connected and liked enough though and no longer viewed as a rival for whatever reason. Liz is probably the most speculative placement honestly.

>>105867844
Yeah I can see it actually, thanks for sharing your stacy science anon.

>>105865410
>>105867844
>it can however also be a begrudging respect and where the woman has some connection that makes them hard to banish to D-tier even if the other women want it (as in the case of Gura)
I'm a bit curious on this. Is it because of Gura's social anxiety, her being the most popular vtuber, or because of her supposed beef with Mori and/or Biboo?

>>105862320
meds

>>105849389
Ligger take

>>105865410
I don't really understand the placement of IRyS and Bae, but I also don't know them very well, other than that seems legit

>>105849389
I would say swap Raora with Shiori

>>105870459
NTA. I don't think Gura ever had beef with the other girls in the ways /vt/ thinks, but I do think there was a bit of frustration towards her for not making the most of her opportunity. She had the potential and opportunity to become even way more popular and successful than she was, and for one reason or another (her anxiety probably contributed) she just didn't. That was probably a bit annoying for the other girls, since hololive is the kind of company where the rising tide lifts all the ships.

>>105865410
>>105867844
All this just to be wrong

>>105849389
>>105863365
the mori calliope passport story should tell you that CC is the giga stacy eclipsing others

>>105873225
tell me about it anon

>>105873340
mori had some type of passport problem when traveling to thailand for the ccggbiboomori vacation
staff wouldnt let mori check in
gigi asked if they can fix it and he told her no
cc bitched him and he dogeza'd and let mori go on the plane

>>105865410
>C-tier: may even be respected by the group for a particular usefulness (as in the case of Ame)
i will forgive you femanon if you're a newfag but absolutely no one respects ame. everyone sees her as a useful tool. even the ones who said they respect and look up to her (gura, kiara, etc) only love how easily she will bend over backwards for them. this pathetic loser spent 8 hours of her own time building an ice bridge for gura's coral reef and she barely got a thank you. she's less of a friend and more of a dog or slave.
the doormat of hololive.
this has its own appeal to men. but to other women, this makes her the anti-stacy. the only person deserving of F-tier for staciness.

>>105873225
you forgot the bae getting hit on story. they were expecting the alpha female (CC) to protect the pack but then bae got separated and picked off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK84Fs-mDBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGP4RfPL838

>>105865410
Your list is shit you tedious long winded cunter

>>105865410
Kiara is definitely a Stacy. You can just tell after hearing her talk

If you watch for even a couple hours, you'll realize Fuwawa is far from a stacy. She's incredibly insecure, timid, and awkward, though notably not autistic.

>>105865410
This list is accurate, if you dont watch streams that is, which is unsurprising since its made by a femnoid that hangs out /here/.

>>105849389
>Stacy energy
>Literally any of these people
Lmao. In what fucking world does someone like Kiara or Kronii have S tier Stacy energy?

>>105875652
You can immediately tell simply by how they laugh and their tone

>>105875652
you don't watch kronii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keGyzdbRkBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ct12_yomU

>>105873621
The German super Stacy taking the American lesser Stacy under her wing

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Behold, an actual Stacy.

>>105879644
Tbh, she's kinda likable

>>105849425
Austrians aren't ger...
who am I kidding? They are.

>>105849389
>Kronii
>Stacey energy
lmao

>>105862320
German winters must be tough

>>105865410
All of this to justify putting Kiara in D because you hate her.

>>105863365
>>105865410
>>105867844
...why didn't any of my girlfriends ever explain this to me?
Anyway, thanks for explaining.

Related, even by this metric, off the JPs, Suisei would be stacy, right?

>>105865410
be my gf?

>>105865410
i just fucking KNOW one of the holo en girls is gonna see this and lose their shit. i can feel it in my bones

>>105883351
probably just mococo and fuwawa desu

>>105849474
What, they are quite different

>>105865410
besides B tier needing some work, this is the correct list

>>105883150
ask yourself the same. have you ever explained to her the bro code? are you some filthy, gender betraying, secret leaking snitch?

>>105871905
this isnt a theory this is absolute fact. you could just hear the barely concealed envy and disappointment in the girls voices whenever they talked about gura. gura nerfed her own potential by not streaming and it made the other girls so mad. kiara and mori literally both talked about it on their streams. about having deep conversations with gura about the "direction" of the group and gura wasnt having any of it. gura was content to just chill and make money and it infuriated the other girls who didnt even have a quarter of her success. tldr gura was a lonewolf and it made people jealous

>>105849425
one of her biggest stacy moments is just how much she bullies raora for being esl. see this clip here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNNIUUF1VQ4 go to 0:23 and she starts making fun of raora's accent. raora legitimately gets mad and shiori has to step in and cc still keeps laughing at her. just absolute bitch shit lol

>>105883824
cc is just a tease, she isnt bullying shes just european

>>105883841
nah bullying is part of her accepted persona at this point. in the recent mage arena collab, mori was (playfully) smacking her down hard for her behavior and she just fed into it.
i think she's trying to pull off a selen where being an absolute bitch is considered "banter". works for some folks.
but being a bully personality doesn't make you a stacy. see how selen was herself bullied to almost suicide once the cameras were off.

>>105884090
no she legit just likes teasing and getting a funny reaction
see her interactions with Kronii, spamming uwu and owo, tag teaming with Gigi to playfully annoy her

>>105884125
The word you're looking for is "ragebaiter"
Honestly mis-modeled. She should've been a kusogaki

>>105884313
shes a ragebaiter but shes also a mommy type
very unique

>>105849389
where's the JP list? i want to see suzy mogging everyone at SSS-tier

>>105860503
>>105863365
This femoid would probably class Kamala Harris as a Stacey, deary me

>>105884090
I hope you grow up well anon, but please leave this site and don't return until your balls have dropped at the bare minimum.

>>105879644
Lumi got that calm vibe to her, one that's for a woman at least is content with her self-esteem and flexible enough to roll with punches and yabs that come her way, I wouldn't call her a Stacey until she walks into a room and all the lads turn to her energy/looks. Mind you this is all I've perceived watching a few of her streams. Who knows how she is in private. It's why I'm hesitant to lable any Vtuber Stacey. At least with flesh tubers who these days are encouraged to show their daily lives life you can gage them better with their interactions with the "real world"/body language when recalling their day to day. Stories in friend groups and interacting with others

>>105865410
By your definition Shiori should be a c-tier that likely views herself in the d-tier. Her past of ostracism/nlog-ism still affects her a lot

>>105886280
Prob cause Shiori is involved and organises advent collabs

>>105883076
You don't have to hate Kiara to see that she ranks low in the HoloEN hierarchy. She's just too different from the rest of them in terms of personality to truly get near them. You can see it from their interests: whereas others like Bae or ERB are getting deeper and deeper into the HoloEN mindshare (the gacha games, internet trends they bring up, video game interests, moving to Japan), Kiara is basically a borderline normie these days.
The femanon is ultimately wrong because she mostly analyzes the relationships within the group and ignores other tells of a woman being a stacy, but she's not wrong in putting Kiara there, if we're strictly speaking HoloEN.

>>105867844
>Liz is in D-tier because she is just simply too odd/different to the rest and too disconnected from them
You just said this out of your ass, as you can see her VR-chat is about collabing with other membs.
She always said to be open to it and accepts invites if she can "tetris" it in her schedule.
Like have you watched how she interacted with Biboo despite them having such different humour? They were adorable together. Or even with Gigi.
Also how much she enters in others' streams, by just interact with them by chat or direclty entering in a discord call.

Never talk about girls you don't know ever again.

>>105863365
>>105865410
I'm an outsider and was linked this thread by a /vt/ regular to show me the actual definition of a stacy.

Thank you for explaining this thoroughly, you did a much better job than the OP.

>>105870496
?
her RM posts about it

>>105890673
when did basedapoya ever talk about fucking black dudes?

>>105849389
>kronii
>stacy

>>105891139
iykyk

>>105860503
Kiara is a cosplay Stacy slut even if she larps as a vtuber. In fact I’d go as far as to say if you’re even the least bit more attractive than the average girl you’re a Stacy just doing vtubing

CC is a Karen, not a Stacy

>>105893787
i dont know that why im asking

>>105894824
i wont spoonfeed a newfriend.

>>105891139
she never did. other dudes just making shit up. she had a bf at one point tho

>>105883824
God this was so fucking hot

>>105865410
Kroni not being a loser is sending me, you can watch her in a future, getting turn down and cucked by all those girls took a hit on her self steem.

Nothing against her but… is obvious she is not doing well mentally