Will she ever surpass Gura?
>>105883153I don't think she wants to
>>105883224not that she could
>>105883153She might have if <redacted> didn't happen. She's just too busy now.>ook ookLast time I'm telling you to shut the fuck up.
>>105883153She's so bland I don't even care anymore.
>>105883642Yeah, Gura's model had this trickster snarky feel to it that made her a cute little gremlin. The sharky teeth for example. It went well to enhance her personality. Saba just comes off as an ex of that trying to behave as a new <redacted>
No blue waffle no watch. Simple as.
>>105883153gura had mass appeal because she also appealed to the the rich virgins (both male and female) in their 30s and 40s who have no family to support and a lot of disposable income. these are normalfags who are 99% NOT lolicons and only looking for a moe daughteru experience.gura was s-tier at that kind of content. watching her karaokes made me feel like a proud parent at recital. watching have fun with her sisters(genmates) made my heart full. this new fucking slutty child however, absolutely does not check this same box.i would disown any kid who dresses like this. please find god.
>>105883997That is overly harsh but I do think Gura had a mainstream family friendly design that was more of a "cute anime girl". I have no idea what Saba was thinking with her indie design that is targeted at lolicons. Maybe she was afraid of losing fans that had stayed with her despite the years of breaks in Hololive but I am skeptical about whether she is comfortable with her indie design.
>>105884994>I am skeptical about whether she is comfortable with her indie designGET FILTERED BITCHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogz1WJUjuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogz1WJUjuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogz1WJUjuA
>>105883153Doesn't seem like she wants to. Probably too rich to care about streaming seriously again
>>105885144people keep talking about her being rich and lazy but if that were true, she would've taken the affiliate deal like the actual lazy fuck (ame).unlike ame, her merch will continue to sell after affiliation. she could've just collected royalties her entire life till she died
>>105883153no, also you made me check her sub count, for the number fags did youtube perg like 200k'ish subs i though she was at 1.5 mil last month already
>>105883153She had good momentum at first but with this current rate it's not happening because:1) Initial demonetization of her VODs (and possible shadowban, which would explain why clips of her uploaded by others outside of the reveal time period do very poorly in terms of views);2) Model change (very subtle change but people aren't blind, most likely done as an attempt to fix the issue I mentioned earlier);3) Poor attempt at cultivating momentum with too many breaks and general "laziness" (whetever she's actually lazy or has stuff to do in the meanwhile is up to debate).It's not happening unless something changes, and even if stuff changes she needs to go back to being viral again to take back some of that momentum she wasted.
>>105883153She always hated being "mainstream" and having a large audience, if you ever watched membership streams the difference in intimacy was night and day>>105884994Saba was designed to her personal tastes, she loves her new design and she loves that her core audience also loves it. You don't watch her streams and it shows.
>>105885597even if she went viral i doubt she could ever recreate actual gura momentum, that momentum was entirely just right time right place to the extreme. Almost all her saba momentum was just everyone thinking she wouldn't become lazy/(busy i guess) because they lack pattern recognition and died as soon as it started manifesting.
>>105883224I keep hearing this argument and it makes no sense.If she wanted to stay in her comfy place why even spend money and time and effort to come up with a new IP character, hire a legal team, hire Omocat for merch and pay artists for model and other assets when she could just go back streaming as Senzawa?Her anxiety at Hololive came more from the fact she was the top face of a big corporation, which is something that has less to do with numbers themselves and more to having to represent a company with the constant fear of fucking things up, but I don't think she actually minds being popular on her own terms.
>>105885719Senzawa was quite literally a recolor of somebody else's IP. At her size she'd get fucked without being a business wizard like Filian.
>>105883153I honestly doubt it and I honestly doubt she wants to considering in her own words the pressure was what did her in
>>105885597>>105885714Yeah that momentum is probably impossible to generate unless we get another pandemic soon
>>105885719She grew up, as did her audience, who now finds Sen cringe and diabolical. You're probably one of those retards who buy into shit like "Gura was 30+ when she joined holo".
>>105883153I'd be fine with her just actually streaming for once. Maybe make some music too.
>>105883808The shark teeth was Gura's idea too. She insisted on it.Saba's model is all over there, but her new models may be simplified or change drastically. As an indie, she can change as much as IM.Happy Halloweenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrPrIxluWk
>>105885767>>105885899Nothing stops her from rebranding Senzawa and change her tone. I just find this whole "she just wants to chill now, she doesn't care about numbers" argument very untrue.
>>105885929In general, Gura fucking hated how big she was because it was too much pressure. I wouldn't be surprised if this ghosting is an intentional attempt to lower her own numbers, though it'd probably be giving her too much credit.
>>105885236It isn't just her laziness that's the issue when dealing with cover. Dealing with a big corp like cover must come with some conditions like not reflecting poorly on the company or whatever. Saba and Nimi are both shit posters, hence why I think they didn't become affiliates.
>>105885956>I wouldn't be surprised if this ghosting is an intentional attempt to lower her own numbersThat sounds extremely stupid.
>>105883997Tourist
>>105886279She doesn't need numbers anon and she hates being at the very top, she didn't want the stress.
>>105887220so what if i'm a tourist? she isn't going to hit 100k ccv by appealing to the core vtuber audience. there are simply not that many people with that particular kind of mental illness in the world.
>>105887246Yeah that's why she used her Twitter bio to advertise her new persona to the entire vtubing world. Because she hates numbers.
>>105883153She's the legendary Gura Killer, of course she will
>>105887524>so what if i'm a tourist?your opinion doesn't matter
>>105885074She's not a lolicon.
>>105883153The question is not if Saba won't surpass Gura, because she won't The question is if Biboo will surpass Gura. Which sounds ludicrous, but it is like say Jackie Chan surpassed Bruce Lee. Was Lee the superior martial artist? Of course, and his fight with Chuck Norris proves it. But who has the most movies? The wider acting range? The bigger influence in entertainment history? Jackie Chan, by nature of sheer output and experience.If Gura was Bruce Lee, Biboo is Jackie Chan.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ytSVAGpbVQ
>>105883153Nobody can surpass something that happened during the peak of vtubing when there was massive public outreach and no expectations
>>105885641She loves her new model so much that she still doesn't stream so that the fans that love the model can't see it.
>>105883153No because no one knows what kind of animal she is supposed to be
>>105883153Her marketing is worse without a company, so no. Doesn't help that she doesn't stream. It's probably enough money to live though
>>105889927Gura was usually able to tolerate the lolicon stuff when she was in Hololive but management was acting like a buffer. They could retweet the pedobait fan art and deal with the shit that creeped her out. Saba now has to deal with the worst side of her fan base.>>105890047>The question is if Biboo will surpass Gura.No, she will be big for an EN talent but will never surpass 2 million subscribers. The early EN vtuber hype is over and the recent Advent anniversary VOD has lower numbers than Myth, Promise, and Justice.>>105894131>She loves her new model so much that she still doesn't stream so that the fans that love the model can't see it.I feel bad for Saba and while it might cause a decrease in viewers she needs a new outfit that she actually likes or she will continue to burn out.
>>105883153Stop advertising her please, you can't just make this thread again and again whenever she rarely streams, and just for what? Is it to keep her relevant in this industry? like that?man let people forget about her, because i know for sure you all are afraid that people will forget about her from the fact that she rarely active.this is embarrassing...
>>105883224Based hololive fiveever
Another phasecuck/nijiwhore threadWhether she surpasses Gura doesn't matter, what matters is she infinitely more beloved and popular than your std whores.
>>105883153Who dis
>>105900617Are you suggesting that Saba had no say in her current outfit and was forced to use it, and if so, by whom?
>>105906796management
>>105906864So herself? She is her own boss now, no longer beholden to Cover.
>>105906988I'm nta and just funposting
>>105883153Saba. Loli. Pussy.
>>105885719Who the fuck would want to go back to senzawas fanbase?
>>105883153Still don't understand why she left. It makes no sense career wise
>>105887524Gura didn't do that either what insanity have you people been fed?
>>105907270She can stream once every 2 months to collect the ATMs payments without any obligations.
>>105883997I would fuck both on live TV.
>>105907270likely new contract would force her to stream more if she stayed amongst other things likely travel related leading to the mass graduations.
>>105883153In being memhera? She already did>>105907270It's easy so say that behind a keyboard
>>105885719for money.
>>105900617>she needs a new outfit that she actually likesSaba already has 5 outfits incoming.Chat asked if they would allow that.She replied, They? I'm the boss now.
>>105883153No one fucking cares. if she's happy and her fans are happy then that's all that matters.
>>105883153nope
>>105883153Gura surpassed her in R18 fanarts
Let her do her own thing. She's streaming and still has a fanbase. She doesn't need Gwar Gura status.
>>105885719She wanted to build a new passive income stream after sinking the Gura brand, so she needed to get her paypigs back with a hyped-up relaunch before going back to lazing around.
>>105885956She only hated it because she had to answer to Cover, and they restricted what she could do. She always loved the money and fame even if she never wanted to make full use of it like some other holos have.
