>The boys need to show more fanservice/gap>They need to show more group unity on streamI think they're a long lost cause at this point, no amount of shilling or restructuring of their content/identity will help them out the runt they are in. And seeing the typical homobeggars like Suisei still trying to shill them, is hilarious
>>106012124Unity is clearly the direction that the company wants to push, because otherwise Stars is just a dead branch. With the company being public, it's within their best interest to see the guys grow and the girls need to step up to help their coworkers
>>106012124Suisei needs to be impregnated by one of the homos for them to grow
>>106012124>homobeggars like Suiseiouted yourself as a shitposterbetter luck next thread
>>106012369How is she not a homobeggar, she's literally one of their staunchest supporters lmao. Still coping over the cuck drama huh
>>106012124>How to make the homos grow and be popular?Step 1: Go back in timeStep 2: Debute the JP and EN branches at least 1y before NijisanjiStep 3: Immediately terminate anyone who underperformsStep 4: Get flooded by unicorn sisters' wet moneyStep 5: Profit
>>106012369Seethe
>>106012424thats not what beggar meansmy bad you're just mentally challenged
>>106012560Any of the girls that interact with the males in any way is a beggar, hope this helps faggot
>>106012124They really need to be redone from the ground up. Clearly the idol route isn't for them and they'd be better off as brotubers that appeal to men.
>>106012698I've seen this argument come up a lot recently, as that is usually what the appeal for male fleshstreamers is towards men. But the problem is that most guys are gonna be turned off by the anime aesthetic of anime boys, and will just go back to the regular male fleshstreamers.
>>106012369>>106012560Just so we're clear: Shiori, ERB, and Ollie aren't homobeggars either, correct?
>>106013046Yes, they are Holopro, not "beggars"
>>106013097No one has ever called any of the pro-homo girls "holopro."
>>106013046Well, technically speaking, they are homolovers and homocollabers, not homobeggars, since the term means they "beg" other girls to collab with the boys.
>>106012124I think out of all holomems, Suisei has truly tried the hardest to boost them. She even did that singing contest thing with Rikka. Not sure why she cares so much.
>>106013302Because they're her co-workers and friends, and she's not obsessed with appearing seiso 24/7 like FWMC even though she's arguably the most successful performer in Hololive alongside Mori who's also a noted supporter of the boys.
>>106013448>>106012242>>106012178They are fucking you moron cucks, when will you learn? Unicorns are always unironically right. Proven again and again.
>>106013588>Unicorns are always unironically right.So you're a cuck then? I mean... Cool, I guess.
>>106012124Why doesn’t she mind her own business? Does she really think she’s better than them? That she can somehow make them more popular? What does she think the boys were doing all this time, just fucking around waiting for some savior to magically lift them up? I can’t stand her ego.
>>106012124>Fan service Fuck idolshit >UnityThe only bearable ones are Axel and Shinri. I don't give a fuck about the rest.At this point give me a boy who plays video games 2 hours a day 5/7 days a week and I'll be good.
>>106012124Estrogen
>>106012124They can't. Male audience. Simple as. You can't force men into CGDCT, no one likes it, not even women.
>>106013869>no utypical cuck answer, what a fucking moron you are, cuck like you never learn.
>>106013588Counterpoint: Rushia and Fauna -- two of the most GFE unicorn approved chuubas in their branches.
>>106014179>betray unicorns>dieEvery time.
>>106014134The entire anime industry for the past 30 years has been a giant gaslighting operation to get people to like CGDCT because animators are too cheap to do anything more complex.
>>106012124>The boys need to show more fanservice/gapI feel like this is another female shit-test even if she doesn't realize it. Women will see it as desperate and men will be put off by it.
>>106012124Fire them all, they you grow, they will find another career and grow, some at mcdonalds maybePlease Yagoo, fire them
>>106012698Male oriented "shooting the shit"-style content can be done much cheaper without the baggage of being a vtuber. For all the shit Niji gets, they're approach to male vtubing is actually on point. Yeah, the bros interacting style does exist there but its subservient to fujo pandering
>>106014155>t. cuck
>>106014248>mogs your shonenslopMeanwhile you've got OPM S3, i.e. 1 frame man.CGDCT gets the budget because it sells.
>>106012124Holostars in general is just cursed, idk what god yagoo pissed off but clearly holostars are the ones facing the backlash from it. Nijisanji on the jp and en front can do male chuuba's well and theirs indies that do welli n jp and en, instead of whatever stupid shit suisei wants them to do maybe they should look at the ones that do succeed and try to figure out why.
>>106012124When I started coming here, I was surprised to find a Holostar thread. I thought we were supposed to be based unicorns and hate males, so how come there are anons who actually keep male threads alive? And those threads have existed for years!Are those fans gays? Women?
>>106012124They’ve got some talented music guys like Rikka, Astel, and Izuru but otherwise it’s just a group full of duds. I think Oga’s cool though.From what I’ve kinda picked up on from some jp twitters, there’s fans that don’t want to associate with fans of the girls and find it makes an unpleasant environment irl, so eventually they move on to someone else where they’re more welcome.
>>106014499>and en frontBarely 3views are doing well? Then so are homostars. No one cares about dudes with anime avatars, they come off as creeps for even being in this space and 99% of the time they are.
>>106014839well they were doing great until they started mixing it up with the girls (which also killed the girls numbers). basically co-ed shit is bad for number in an industry that is inherently parasocial like vtubing.
>>106014839Anon people who watch vtubers in the west are creeps, you really think your coomerslop like marine, kiara or even indies like shylily are watched by normal or decent people?
>>106012124This thread won't provide any meaningful discussion because most people on this board 1. Don't watch Holostars, especially not StarsJP. 2. Will look at the topic of OP and immediately start talking about StarsEN even though this conversation is from JP members.They--JP by the way, let's keep that clear--have done everything Suisei suggested. Fanservice? They release VPs targeted to yumes, some of them more flirty than others. They've attended AGF every year, each year showcasing a different theme with merch and more recently drama VPs to go with the setting. Gap moe? Several members have that. Group unity is the one thing I'd say they are lacking, but they actually had it in the beginning, and it still did nothing for them. And even then, their lack of unity is not so much because they don't get along, it's BECAUSE they all get along so well it doesn't occur to them "oh, the fans want to see us collab." Rio mentions in the clip how the stream will end and these retards will go on to talk for hours. But wait! They actually did try to remedy that, for a time they hosted a "Starzatsu" where members could join and they'd just talk. But it just... stopped. And Roberu, the one member who's whole thing is talk refused to join them, like he literally said on stream he wasn't going to join.That said, recently management does seem to have gotten their head out of the sand and have been doing better in marketing them with things girls would like. Their AGF theme this year is spot on, and management has been making them do more group covers and collabs to go with their special events. But I actually agree with OP, that at this point, it feels like it's too late. I think the biggest issue is, there is just no audience left for them to grab. Sure, people like Roberu and Aruran are gaining viewers, but they are catering to a specific audience from outside that aren't here for idols, fanservice, or Holostars as a whole, they're not the audience Suisei is talking about appealing to, not the audience management is trying to appeal to, and not the audience who will want to see the idol appeal Rio talks about.Uproar was supposed to appear in Anicul Sonic. That was probably the one opportunity they had to grab some attention from an untapped audience (female fans of male idol mobage), but it got cancelled lol
>>106012251and by "them" I mean the Suitiddies
the rape incident...
>>106015153>Sure, people like Roberu and Aruran are gaining viewers, but they are catering to a specific audience from outside that aren't here for idols, fanservice, or Holostars as a whole,What is this audience exactly?
>>106015140Weird copium that doesn't contradict my point at all. That audience especially wouldn't wanna see creeps on the inside closer to the girls than they are.
>>106012242>With the company being public, it's within their best interest to see the guys grow and the girls need to step up to help their coworkersYagoo has been trying that for years and besides a HoloPro mixed gen they have tried almost everything to hype up unity. Luxiem did show there is a market but giving up on CGDCT to go specifically after women would require a complete shift in Hololive content. Cover investors don't mind chasing after other markets but they aren't going to risk losing their main audience.
>>106014750It's definitely not the main factor but yeah, I've also seen tweets from fans who stopped supporting Holostars because it was "stressful" seeing the vitriol towards them all the time. There have also been reports from Holostar fans attending the expo hearing Hololive fans badmouthing Holostars within earshot or even laughing at them. No one wants to deal with that when they're just there to enjoy the event and support their oshi.
>>106012242>Unity is clearly the direction that the company wants to push, because otherwise Stars is just a dead branch. With the company being public, it's within their best interest to see the guys grow and the girls need to step up to help their coworkersThen they're not acting like a company because companies cut dead weight. And all signs point to the fact that they're mostly not doing this as the homocollab pushing from management seems to be at an all time low and stars morale, in both branches, is similarly at an all time low. It died with Horizontal and when the girls' fanbases heard that many of their oshis were basically coerced into that failure shitshow. It's in its death throes now.
>>106012124It's a lost cause for the older gens. How do you make Aki, Choco, Haachama and the other low number girls popular? You don't. They have been so long in the bizz it's not worth trying to shill them if the viewers leave again asap.Choco tried this with cooking collabs and ChocoLunaSuba one POV streams but once the stream is over she is back to her old numbers.Start Holostars KR or hire a group of male Kanades. In Korea skinship and playfullness among boys is a lot more common.
>>106014407All iconic anime is some form of shonenslop. CGDCT is relatively new and carries social baggage
>>106014251>Women will see it as desperate If that was the case male idols wouldn't work, but they've always been as big as or bigger than female idols>men will be put off by it.That's the issue. Men isn't a good audience for male vtubers. They won't thrive trying to be the brotuber kind of streamers. Males vtubers should just throw away their meaningless pride and go full fujo / yumejo pandering. For English-speaking scene, Luxiem was a great example (until they thought they were better than that) and FSP is doing very well on that field too
>>106015362Men. Normies. esports tourists (they play SF6). The people who love those VCR servers and watching male and female vtubers play house. Those people aren't interested in male idols, they probably don't even know Roberu and Aruran are idols. They don't watch Holostar collabs or events. They're definitely not buying merch.
>>106012242>>106015465>>106015557You retards realize they're talking about unity within their group and not cross-gender collabs right?
>>106015153thanks for the insight starmin femanon
>>106015362People who don't know that they're a Holostars.
>>106014230Only that kind of person would be knowledgeable and unscrupulous enough to play the GFE game in the first place.
>>106015465>>106012242I unironically believe that Shiori's male collabs are corpo suggested, especially the Jurard ones. ERB was hired for similar reasons, after Kronii/Mori were burnt by the menhera brothers.
>>106013588If the unicorns and schizos are always right (as they have constantly proven), then Suisei is Filipino, is fucking one of the homos, and Miko and Suisei hate each other
>>106015153The thing is Roberu was always ahead of the pack though, though he definitely did it by separating from the stars and just going out and getting his name out there. The dude used to stream like 3-4 times a day during year 1 and 2.
>>106012509where is the part about keeping them segregated?
>>106016961Aruran replicated this and get his numbers up so it's clearly working
>>106017218It was also working for Gamma before he got shitcanned lol. I think the biggest problem with stars is they expect the "Holo" in their name to carry them
>>106017358Wrong thread aaaaa
>>106014407It’s pretty disingenuous to compare KyoAni to 99% of anime studios. OPM’s problem is they went from Madhouse to fucking JC Staff. Mob Psycho was great the whole way through.
>>106017311No one expects that.
>>106015153only good post in this thread. suisei has proven once again that she knew nothing.
>>106016937>Suisei is FilipinoTrue.>is fucking one of the homosFirst of all calling them "homos" is a cope. Also she's fucking Sakuma, not Holostars.>Miko and Suisei hate each otherBoth in the management clique, doubtful.
>>106012124True Holostars never been tried!- Suisei Hoshimachi 2025
>>106012769this is why i will always insist that the current male vtuber model meta is a huge debuff. it only attracts the wrong kind of audience. if you want your model to be very brotuber-coded, never make your model handsome, hell you can go one step further and make your model literally faceless, like a full-armored knight, or a mecha.
>>106013302Because she hates her fans and does anything she can to alienate them and make it clear she's a mainstream celebrity and her fan's can't lay claim to her.
>>106016170Nobody cares about what they talking about you utter faggot because nobody's watching your shitty clip.
>>106012242If that were true, why would Cover permit any Hololive talent, such as Miko, Mio, Pekora, or other JP and EN members, to openly dismiss male VTubers or collaborations with them, as some have publicly expressed? What a fool thing to say.
>>106014251It's a popularity/momentum thing. If you're unpopular and do it, then you look desperate. If you're popular and do it, then you basically become gods to those lonely fujos/yumes.
>>106017218Aruran spamming random streams didn't work. What worked was dedicating his whole existence to becoming good at fighters, joining every single community server/event he could and eventually picked up a larger audience after years of grinding. Like that starmin said before, this is not the audience that management/Suisei were talking about. It's clear by now that the male idol stuff that Cover is really adamant about is something only a minority want, granted they're the ones paying the bills at the end of the day.
>>106015466Good to hear. Fans and the homos should all move on to greener pastures where people actually want them.
>>106015466Kek based. Keep the pressure up. They need to know and feel they are not welcome
the solution is simple. let me into holostars and then it will be good and ill be the biggest streamer ever and i can also fuck my oshi behind the scenes. source: the voices in my head
>>106012124>They need to show more group unity on streamHololive:>Noticed that they have a growing overseas fans>Began to hire bilinguals like Coco and KiaraStars:>Also noticed those overseas fans>None of the new hires in Uproar is bilingual>Only Axel is bilingual in Stars EN so far>Failed to follow the hololive formulaSee how retarded this is?
why don't they just hire girls to play the male characters? Isn't one of them already being played by a girl? Just make the rest of them voiced by girls doing their best boy voice, and they will get a share of the male audience too
>>106012124she's right. they need to actually show cohesion with EACH OTHER rather than leeching on other groups. Why would I care whats going on with Stars themselves when theyre constantly going outside of themselves for collabs? Its basically a wild west with them, rather than a connectsd universe.They're apparently too proud to do fansa for their mostly female fanbase too, so they really have no niche to tailor to at all. They're just there taking up space.
>>106013302Suisei has built herself up from zero. She wants to see others do the same for themselves
>>106015153when was the last time they've done a branch wide event? whenever they do event streams its almost always with indies and other corpos. they need something for themselves that'll help them stand out. Tempus when they first debuted had the zomboid arc which helped them stand apart for a little bit and create little story arcs with just them. What im trying to say is they need to create a story that'll get people invested in them in more than just a "sunk cost fallacy" investment
>>106015666If Aki were to get a new model upgrade like Azki, she might actually have a chance.
>>106012242Lmao at this cuck.>We should risk our moneymakers on shilling a failed branch.If homos can't make it on their own, they were never worth launching in the first place.
>>106019175The only one in management clique is pekhora who's always getting preferential treatment from taro kek
>>106012124Obviously the way to help them grow is to keep trying to shove them into everything. Sure, it hasn't worked yet and has actually soured a lot of good will, but I think it's just because we haven't been pushing them hard enough. Unicorns are a minority in this industry which is why merch sales tank whenever there are co-ed collabs.
>>106015153The bar is higher if you want to be successful with idol image, not even Hololive can maintain the high standards of it as the new hires are less idol and more of regular streamer but the thing is, Hololive have managed to lay the idol image as their foundation while Holostars don't have such image to begin with (other than they are in the same company as Hololive the idol group). Holostars early members don't really have the "it" factor for idol and they are more suitable to become regular streamer, maybe if Rio is their first member things would be different or maybe he isn't enough but it's already way too late now, they should've realized it long time age and changing their direction to focus on gaming and networking with ecelebs on GTA server etc
The Early members of Stars never played into the male idol thing as far I know/remember, and they had really no official group Unity, Astel himself said this, long ago.They lost 3 guys early, 2, Kira and Kaoru were popular for being Otokono at the time and the little I read of suzaku(?) is that he could have been Roberu before Roberu. Then Gamma was terminated for whatever reason, then whatever the fuck happened to Magni and Vesper whom also had their momentum for what it was worth. All of these losses affected their branch and the small presence the few hundreds of hololive fans (only) that decided to tune into their streams.
A group of 8 guys debuted in 2023 makes around 20% of nijijp's revenue. It can be done.
>>106012124easy, graduate them and watch thousands of people tune in for the graduation stream.
>>106012242Unity will not do shit. Wnba didnt grow from them getting shilled in the nba all star games, or by inviting crossdressed nba players to play for them. They just got actually interesting players. Just get good.
>>106023062I don’t think even niji knows how heroes became popular
>>106012369She's literally begging for people to watch homosLiteral definition of homobeggar
>>106015666It sounds weird, but this guy is right. It's a strange mix of having to do military service and the whole hoobae sunbae thing, which creates a social hierarchy for men in korea. If you participate in a hierarchical society, of course, the person on the top is the most popular. It's probably why korea has such a low birth rate, because Kpop Idols fill that space of "perfect social hierarchy" even if you dont know them. It's an unintended consequence / bug in Confucianism. So places that can maintain a strong social hierarchy (Niji) will have popular males as well. Holostars problem is that they are probably not even trying to enforce a strong social hierarchy like that, because that's what Hololive is doing. Equal standings works well for the girls because the audience is men, who want equality in everything they see. Stratified standings work better for boys because the audience is women, who want to be able to understand and "get to the top" of social structures. If everyone is equal at holostars, how the heck are you going to have that easy to understand social structure for fans to latch on to, or root for the underdogs?And im sure the girls have thier own social structure too, its just different from how mens social structures work. If all the guys in Holostars essentially operate on thier own islands, then of course there will be no synergy.But asking someone to become part of a social hierarchy is a big ask, if you arent born into it. So it has to be "professional". Just like Hololive has its "Buisness Tete", Holostars needs its "Buisness Ukeseme". I'm not a fujo so im sure theres probably a better term, but essentially thats what suisei is asking for. not for Fansa, like creator to fan. but more like a "meal" kind of Fansa. feeding people easy to understand social dynamics.
>>106023245It was a decent show at first. That's how it got popular.Unlike niji that's not even relevant here.
>>106012124The Homos to this date have been Cover's biggest failed project and waste of money and time. And not only that, it has negatively impacted and stunted the growth of the girls. If it wasn't for the existence of the Homos Hololive would have been way more successful right now.
>>106012124Stars is a poisoned brand at this point. It's been so mediocre for so long that most of hololive's captive audience is just checked out. Even if you got the perfect talents and the perfect marketing, people would skip the debuts just because it's stars and never watch them.The only way they fix this is by debuting a mixed-gender branch branch so they can acclimate fans back to the male side with collabs. Give it a new branch name like they did with Dev_is and just slowly replace Stars entirely
>>106021691That's why they are losing ground to first stage productions which only has men. Despite all the popularity of hololive productions the fanbase is simply there for girls.
>>106012124Cover's most terrible mistake.
>>106013588Literally nobody gives a shit because Suisei doesn't do GFE, when will you learn?
>>106012124I completely forgot about that blue fag, they need a trap again, holostars died with Kira.
>>106015153>Roberu, the one member who's whole thing is talk refused to join them, like he literally said on stream he wasn't going to join.That's weird.
>>106013302>Suisei has truly tried the hardest to boost themNot really, she just accepts collab offers. She hasn't once invited a homo to her live concerts for example, which is the biggest platform she has for promoting others. IIRC she doesn't even decide who gets invited to the vtuber music radio show that she hosts.>>106013967>guest is invited to her show>interviewer asks "is there something you wish holostars would become like or do more of?">conversation progresses>reeeee why she no stay in laneAre you fucking retarded? kek>>106014251It works for manjisanji. Another stars issue is that they have 0 charisma.>>106015153>>106017659The most popular male vtubers do what Suisei said and also actually try to do things that can make them stand out. The main issue is that stars are okay, but ultimately generic. No amount of good advice will fix that. Also, Roberu and Aruran are mostly popular on circles that don't give a shit about idols or even vtubers. Current stars's ship has sailed, they already didn't make it.>they don't collab with each other because they're such good friends actually!And on top of that, they're stupid! This is their JOB, their MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME, they should be actively thinking about how to expand their reach!If you ask me, I think one of the main issues is that they hire guys that are mainly hololive fans. It's the equivalent of Pomu being inspired by hololive and having to settle for nijisanji. Despite her sincerest efforts she would not be able to prop nijisanji up simply because her heart was elsewhere.
>>106023305sorry to double long post but i think in general that idea of "buisness pairing" is what's important in groups. I think there are probably 3 audiences for online groups. A: Oshikatsu <-> Gachikoi/YumeB: CGDCT <-> Shipper/FujoC: Cilps Watcher <-> Game SpecificYou have to generally appeal to group C to grow, and hopefully convert those people into either A or B fans. And that's why the girls play so many different games. To hook people into becoming A's or B's. The difference between them is the type of parasocialism that is created between the streamers and the audience. In type A, it's a one to one connection. From one streamer to one viewer. But from the streamers pov they have multiple one to one connections they are managing in aggregate using coded language. Mostly Lore and fansa.In type B, its a many to one connection. From all of the streamers in the group, to the one viewer. but again, since from the perspective of the group, the audience is many people, they also have to be vague. "buisness", injokes, and skinship.Speaking from my experience as a fan, the process goes like this:Stage C: casual fan, doesn't know the memes or anything yet but get introduced to them slowly via clips or streams. no donos. "Rabbit Hole"Stage B: general knowledge about most of the group, knows a good amount of the lore, can sort of imagine the friendships between most of the girls. Superchats here and there, maybe small merch. "Lore Head"Stage A: true blue oshidom, hyperfixation onto one person. muse, idol, whatever. Binging as much lore as possible. Membership and merch set buyer. "Super Fan"As a person gets conditioned more and more into having type A style attachment, probably also when they get more income, that's also when you start getting gifted memberships to other members more often too, hoping to piggy back off the Stage B attatchment you have for the other girls to somewhat become Stage A.So you see how type B is actually VITAL to gaining type A fans? Sure some people will become type A real fast if the fit is right, but i think thats usually because you fit into that type B style attachment from the jump. which means that the person you like, you relate to them in how they interact with others in the group, and see something familiar in them. If you have minimal interactions between other members, and no dynamics, just platonic equality, that might not be relatable to the audiences you are hoping to attract. Type B is the "hako" part of "Holo Hako". This also implies that you usually won't make type A fans from clips alone. To sublimate directly from C to A is nearly impossible.
>>106023245a miracle between having some grassroots support from vta2 fans, scream, papeki hero and mecha mecha all being hits, got the spotlight with nijigta right when johnny's was imploding. it's not really something that can be replicated.
>>106023542We’re talking about jp here. The en homos (as a group) may actually be doing better than jp homos
let me fix your post real quick>>106019175>Suisei is Filipinofalse>is fucking one of the homosFirst of all calling them "homos" is a cope. Also she's fucking Sakura, not Holostars.>Miko and Suisei hate each otherBoth in the lesbian clique, doubtful.
>>106023813It doesn't really matter if she is pandering to unicorn or not but you can't say nobody cares when plenty of her fans are mentally ill like this >>106025339
>>106025527Nobody cares about what your self replies are saying in a toilet thread meant to keep /#/ clean thougheverbeit, sorry to say. Nimi still has unicorns after all
>>106025527>you can't say nobody cares when plenty of her fans are mentally ill like thisRight, her """fans""" KEK
>>106025308They have no one like Roberu(who stays the fuck away from the rest) or even Aruran.
>>106025708>nooo astroturfing le male yab isn't workingi'm 99.999% convinced you need to have severe mental illness to anti suisei, especially as a low test jap.
>>106025665Nice deflect, you're not going to convince anyone when there is a whole general for mentally ill shippers like Micomet general, just accept the fact that you share fanbase with bunch of mentally ill
>>106025807>>106025665
>>106025708Yes, her fans, that retard is obviously a Micometfag
>>106025922Fine, I laughed
>>106023813GFE as a term is so broadstrokes that any interaction from a chuuba could be considered GFE. There are some autists out there who think that Kronii and Ame did GFE as if light flirting is enough to categorize you as one forever.
>>106026577Sometimes I wonder if people using the term have ever watched someone who actually does it. It's completely different from the occasional fan service.
>>106024163>It's the equivalent of Pomu being inspired by hololive and having to settle for nijisanji.pretty sure she never claimed that and niji JP does have pretty idol-like members it's just that whoever was in charge of EN branch (Elira and her clique) decided to make it a cultural war and be the opposite of hololive after luxiem debuted.
>>106024002Roberu distanced himself from the loser homos and it greatly helped his numbers, holostars branding is actually a detriment.
>>106017158That goes without saying.
>>106012509>Immediately terminate anyone who underperformsAnd you niggers said cover isn't a black company and like it that way? Thankfully Yagod is in charge. You know who else underperform? Miko. Terminate her, I'd like to see you try.
>>106024163>And on top of that, they're stupid! This is their JOB, their MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME, they should be actively thinking about how to expand their reach!Problem with Holostars is that they're not being pushed to improve their content. They can stroll along all day streaming slop and not being entertaining, so long as the girls side keeps using infinite money glitch to give them their paychecks.
>>106023542yep. Stars fans can act all high and mighty that their boys dont do fansa, but FSP has grown faster in less than 2 years with a female audience than Stars has in 6 years + COVID buff.
>>106025308well duh, english is one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. and most of them aside from Bettel and at times, Ruze, lose to Roberu, and Pizzafag
>>106028437>so long as the girls side keeps using infinite money glitch to give them their paychecks.But Holostars isn't a net negative nor do they leech money from the girls? What kind of drugs are you on?I don't get all the bitching. I really don't. Calling the guys mid or shit, I understand. Treating them like they're sex pest just because of Twitter conversation or collab? I also get it. Acting like they're net drain financially? No. You niggers can fuck off.
>>106028617>But Holostars isn't a net negativeFinancially speaking, I'd be surprised if investing the same money they spent on the stars on random shares wasn't more profitable. Breaking even or turning a low profit proportionally to the investment is equivalent to losing money.
>>106028617>homostar are so financially shit, even FSP managed to poach their director as their new manager.The level of grim.
>>106028617There's a discussion if they are net negative or not, but one thing is certain.Their fans want them to be. They want them to leech money from the girls.Otherwise they wouldn't screech everytime some cost cut happens like lack of Countdown.
>>106025922it's miCometchad
>>106030039There really isn't a discussion to be had. Every homo has a personal manager and there are dedicated management staff above them. They simply cannot be paying all those salaries; even when homofags show how much money the successful ones are making it's burger flipper salaries. At some point hololive is subsidizing them.
>>106030350>Every homo has a personal managerproof?
>>106030393watch streams
>>106030350>Every homo has a personal managerThat's absolutely not true, even jp girls usually share managers.
>>106030350That would be the most retarded decision for a company to make to give every single streamer under them their own exclusive manager. Even Cover isn't this fucking stupid.
>>106030350>Every homo has a personal manager andwrong they shared manager, but somehow Robert is the only one that has the same manager after yagoo and shinove
>>106030411no I asked for proof
>>106030350Me when i lie on the internet
>>106030593OK, this accounts for 6/10. Jellymane(?) isn't mentioned on this list so that's 7/10. I bet if I kept looking I could account for the other 3, but let's say maybe a couple of them share managers.
>>106024002He has scolded fans for asking about holostars in his chat while ignoring pigeons and questions about the women he collabs with in chat or answering them if its about Mea. He proves that crossgender collabs work since he has the biggest male fanbase and the largest overlap with the hololive audience, his audience isnt super chatting the most or buying merch but there is more of them. If he was female there would be bait threads all the time questioning why he is part of the company.
>>106030871oh no sisters...
>>106030871I don't know much about the stars EN or even what this screencap is from lol, but doesn't this just show that the "mane" have multiple roles in the company and are not just exclusively managers?
>>106031354I'm not really interested in explaining how hololive works to catalogfags so good luck coming up with copes on your own
>>106031454I mean this is a catalog bait thread as it can go, who else would be here lmao
>>106024163>And on top of that, they're stupid! This is their JOB, their MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME, they should be actively thinking about how to expand their reach!This is not the main source of income for half of the guys in the JP branch.
>>106022219>not even Hololive can maintain the high standards of it as the new hires are less idol and more of regular streamerWhat standards. The image of Gen 0 and a quote out of context of Yahoo is the only proofs that carries the impression that Hololive wanted idols and not streamers. Like the most recent JP gen has actually people that were scouted because of their idol past.
>>106030198More like micometard
>>106032131>What standards. The image of Gen 0 and a quote out of context of Yahoo is the only proofs that carries the impression that Hololive wanted idols and not streamers.
>>106012124all male ENVtubers do is fan service its why they all have a faggy ass model, try to make their voice as deep as possible or as soft and feminine as possible to attract underage fujos and troons. none of them ever have normal looking models or ever try to appeal to guys because they dont care about a guy unless that is pretending to be a girl. StarsJP speak the wrong language, if they acted as they are but spoke fluent english they would grow because they dont seem like rainbow troon chasers like their EN counterparts are.
>>106032131They only start focusing on it with Dev_is and also while even most of early talent aren't really idol-like, just the founder Sora alone is enough to validate Hololive as legit idol group that they can suddenly push it as the company direction and turns everyone into idol.
>>106030593Unless I've somehow forgotten a switch up, it looks like this: there are 4 managers that manage 2 guys at once (Altare/Axel, Bettel/Hakka, Flayon/Shinri, Jurard/Ruze), meaning 4 managers split across 8 guys. Only 2 of them somehow have their own manager (Octavio, Goldbullet). So that's 6 managers for all 10 guys. >t. Actual sister
>>106028608>Bettel and at times, Ruze, lose to Roberu, and PizzafagIn which category they lose?
>>106030871>>106031189>>106031454Gorimane hasn't been part of StarsEN in more than a year.
>>106023813I think it has to do more with her cultivating a more normie audience. If you don't appeal to schizoes then you don't get schizoes.The reason some appeal to schizoes is because the schizo audience are easier to grow. these are the kind that spend copious amounts of time on the internets after all. But not everyone can be Suisei and have the ability to captivate a non-schizo audience. It is much harder to make a normie watch your shitty streams and spend money on you.
>>106030411I watch streams and you're wrong.
>Thread shifted into talk about ENI told you.
>>106029137>investing the same money they spent on the starsThey don't. Stars are literally second class citizens. Less support staff less promotion less sponsorships less event, they're literally absent from Holo summer fest. >>106030350>Every homo has a personal managerThis part is all that needed to prove you're full if shit.
>>106012124>Men's advice on how to be a male vtuber to attract women:>"You HAVE to LITERALLY have sex and make out every single stream and flirt relentlessly. This is what all women definitely want. Fujoshi literally means "female anime fan" and all female weebs are fujoshi.">Suisei, an actual woman's on how to attract women:>"We like gap moe. We like when men naturally show their dynamics with another male and it doesn't need to be romantic. We also like when you slowly open up about your emotions and feelings, whether it's to your audience or to your male friends. Don't force anything, it's a turn-off when you're fake about it. You can attract more female fans because you're just being cute with other guys and not just appealing solely to fujoshi."Holostars aside, how about just this once, male vtubers try to listen to the woman giving correct advice about women?
>>106033475If Suisei actually got normie audience not just some normie tourist she wouldn't have to "lecture" her fans on stream or make some passive aggressive Tweets about her porn etc
>>106033948>male vtubers try to listen to the woman giving correct advice about women?Buh buh muh Andrew tate and pickup game! Are you telling me women are actual people who want respect? This is feminist propaganda!
>>106034087are you retarded? normies are by far the people with the least amount of internet literacy, they're prime material for a "lecture" on how not to fall for bait.
>>106033475She's always rejected them. Translated it'll sound like a "do whatever you want but I can't do anything about it regardless of your choice" but that itself is a rejection. The ones open and welcoming will say that they're happy, if it's really okay or say that they'll do whatever they can to reciprocate from the position they are in.It isn't uncommon to hear the question even in the indie sphere. You might expect them to lead people on and lie but, contrary to the expectations, they're rather honest about it as far as my experience goes(the so called gfe type is exempt). Neither side wants any grief.
No one is pointing out the actual problem of why Holostars isn't popular. It isn't them; it's the company they're attached to.Female-dominated fandoms are normally community-based. Women don't want to hang around mostly men, especially considering how most of them act. Since Holostars is under Hololive production, where the female vtubers were first, naturally the established audience will think Holostars is for them (brotuberfags, fans that want you to talk about the girls for the entire stream, etc.). You can argue all you want that Holostars doesn't appeal to men, but the majority of their fans are interested in the girls first and foremost regardless of gender. Most fans of male idols just want to see the focus on men and their dynamics, not some shadows of female idols that are always bringing up the girls. By mentioning the girls so much, doing collabs and covers with them, and ultimately tailing after them, they turn a lot of women off from them. Holostars would be more successful if the Holo- weren't attached to their name.
>>106034454yeah you have a point here. there's very few fandoms/communities where men and women can coexist and there isn't a wide disparity (im thinking stuff like anime, and franchises like Pokemon). It's stressful being a holostar fan. Who wants to root for guys that are eternal underdogs, whilst also having hostility thrown at them everywhere? I tried giving them a chance, and it was the most stressful year i've had ever watching a vtuber and it pushed me away from them forever.
>>106034185Don't forget the usual>woman hands typed thisYES. The woman is giving you advice about women and they see this as a bad thing. That's something I'll never understand. If a guy gave me genuine advice on how to get a good man I'd fucking take it.
>>106034620>woman hands typed this
>>106033948honestly. if they go against this, the only fans they'll be attracting are bisexual/gay guys in denial that'll try to cover it up by screaming about how much of a "brotuber" he is.
>>106034692Nah dude I'm one of the bros! How do you do my fellow dick-havers?
>>106034295What are you talking about retard? She is lecturing her fans, don't draw her lewds, don't use her pettan meme openly etc etc she is definitely not lecturing normies you dumbfuck, she wishes she only got normie fan that only know her for her music but that doesn't work that way because she already cultivated clipfags and coomers before her music blow up
>>106034583>Who wants to root for guys that are eternal underdogsI watch indies(female) and I know they won't get anywhere close to release a cd with orisongs or a rl live with 1k people. I don't think it's an issue.There's one vsinger that made it big enough to be invited to small irl events, you just celebrate all the small victories with them.
>>106035062>She is lecturing her fanson internet lecture, shit normies don't have>don't draw her lewdsnot TAGGING her lewds>don't use her pettan meme openlyonly sensical thing you've said>because she already cultivated clipfags and coomerswhen the fuck did she ever cultivate coomers you fucking retard? her very first non blogpost content was a cover, she released 2 orisongs before being hired, her 3d reveal was the first freeform concert in hololive, and most of her fanbase came with her karaokes and her first album. do you retards watch anything besides youtube thumbnails and catalog OP images?
>>106037428This is something I've always wondered. Both the post you responded to and the comments about the video in the OP; why do men take things to the most extreme meaning possible? Maybe it's not all men, but a good majority of this kind of talk I've seen mostly come from men. It's like there's no nuance or in-between or taking someone's words exactly as they say it. It's always "Oh so what you're saying is [thing person said but dialed up to 10]." She says "women like close friendships between men" but it's taken to mean "all women like seeing down and dirty SEX between men". She says "please tag lewds appropriately" but it's taken to to mean "she's a prude and forbids all lewds to be drawn of her!!" Why is that? It's something I've seen done in twitter arguments too. Maybe it's a current day internet thing.
>>106037428>most of her fanbase came with her karaokes and her first album>do you retards watch anything besides youtube thumbnails and catalog OP images?That's ironic you should've asked that to yourself you retarded newfag, most of her fanbase are clipfags, pettan meme and psychopath shit or do you really think you're going to get away pulling some history revisionism because this is a newfag board?
>>106034620women give the worst fucking adviceonly redpill retards are worse
>>106012124They just need to be separated from the girls completely. No threat of homocollabs and people will get around to give them a chance. I would( not the fags who’ve collabed already) t.unicorn
>>106016170Do you really expect people here to watch a star clip, even if it’s embedded or available for download, just to avoid giving it a view? Most of them don’t even bother watching holo streams. Instead, they waste their time acting like clowns in the # general chat, making up rrats and baiting themelves 24/7
>>106038614Thinking her "fanbase" consists of the tourists that just regurgitate reddit memes is like saying the real nousagi are the ones who spam "WAR CRIMINAL XD", talk to actual JP fans next time.
>>106012124The lack of unity between JP and EN killed any branch unity
>>106040723When did I say that? Most of her fanbase came from clips with memes not her music otherwise she would be popular back then you retarded newfag, and if you think no JPfag is clipfag,tourist etc then you're just retarded larper, fuck off and do your reps
>>106039320I've completely given up on male chuubas for similar reasons. I actually started to watch a bit of roberu years ago, he got me with the zatsu and makea collab and he lost me when I checked the mixed gender collabs (which did contain some reverse sex pesting). Didn't look around all that much, watched a bit of astel and moonwalked away. I also steered away from the EN stars when they started the mixed gender collabs as well.Some dudes are funny but I just hate the mixed gender dynamics. I think those experiences turned me into a hardcore unicorn, now that I think about it.
