Tl;dr: massive woman moment
All of these bitches should be replaced by AI soon

>>106052001
You forgot the best part anon, she directly stated that she does not have a bf and made that very clear. Makes me think she's trying to fish out a rich fan to come get her so she doesn't have to live with her mom anymore. Dammit why am I not in Japan right now, I've got money and shit

>>106052001
On one hand this is pretty much just an average woman moment, but on the other hand let her cook, cause some of this shit is true as fuck. Management being overly-restrictive, preferential treatment towards certain members, there being cliques in the company making it hard to get friends, some of the pairings not being authentic but forced by management.

>>106052001
>that they only contact her when she's crying and depressed
What's wrong with this? Is worrying for her a bad thing?

>>106052289
>let her cook
She isn't going to cook anything anytime soon, anon. She'd have to be very lucky if she isn't terminated for this (and she probably should thank FBK in that case)
Not to mention that majority of her "problems" were caused by herself or twisted by her mental issue.

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>>106052001
Do you think this would have happened if she wasn't a runt?

>>106052001
If you think her schizo moments can make me hate my brat Shion then you are highly mistaken

Also if she wants a sololive then make albums and produce more songs. There is a reason why music-focus talents got sololives more frequently comparing to the rest

>>106052490
Well it comes across as not really caring about the person in general, but only when they need help. Essentially that yeah they'll message you if you're depressed and shit, but otherwise whether to hang out or just talk normally they never show u. That's just a therapist then, not actual friends which is what she wants.

>>106052490
Anon, you moron, you think op's screel is accurate and not just a parroting of a parroting of some seanog's tweet based of random snippets they picked up through thread reading? Every line is wrong and op sucks cock

I wonder why she doesn't have close friends in Holo

>>106052596
Fuck Fubuki, she doesn't care about Haato. Maybe if the company and her fellow coworkers actually cared about her and helped her out throughout the years, then she wouldn't be in this situation. It really says a lot that she continues to show up in Kson's chat which even makes her emotional, but there's no connection like that with any other Holomen for her

>>106052669
The Shion stuff seems absolutely true, she did get a lot of preferential treatment back in the early days. Plus it kind of explains why she ended up being one of the lazy ass Holos that barely streamed, cause she just had everything given to her and taken care of so she didn't feel any sense of responsibility growing up and now she's still the same lazy bitch as an indie

>>106052723
>Not deflecting from any of the points with what's supposedly the "truth"

That is not an accurate summary.
Anyone posting after this is OP samefagging his shitty antithread.

90% of what OP wrote is bs btw, if you engage on this thread and take it as truth then... LMAO

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>>106052001
This entire post is twisting her words to make other holomembers look bad. It's bordering on a complete fabrication.

>>106052755
There's a lot of reasons. Raised in a different country which is almost as bad as being a hafu for the Japanese, most of her coworkers are an entire generation older than her so its hard to relate to them, having her content focus be autism content, not really meshing well with any members, all her potential partners like Watame and Miko all got pushed away.

>>106052937
>>106052946
What's the accurate summary then anon, please enlighten us about what the facts are then

I hope it's not true that other holomems are icing her out. That would make me pretty sad.

>>106052970
She literally name dropped Shion and talked about her bad relations with other members, how you can interpret that as being taken out of context is pure cope. Sorry Holocuck, but your "big happy family" is no less of a mean girl clique than Niji is

>>106052946
>>106052970
You'll niggas would do good by posting the right information then instead of being vagueposting gorilla niggers.

>>106052875
Read op's bullshit yourself nigger.

>She feels isolated from other members, and has a terrible family that she still lives with
She lives alone hence why nobody was there to stop her spiraling
>Goes on a rant about the relationships/shipping between members, how some of it might be forced by management
She was reading anti comments in chat, responding with
>I don't know anything about that
The rest is mostly the same shit of her reading chat comments by the swarm of antis that flocked in to try and put words in her mouth
Op and your gay ass are the same breed of shit.

>>106053065
I mean it makes perfect sense if you're been around enough women in your life, you know how the saying goes that nobody hates women more than women. They are ruthless, and having an entire organization where all the talents are women is going to inevitably create drama and tensions

>>106053089
>>106053151
>>106053031
>>106053089
I'm not fucking wasting effort on debating a low effort troll and spoonfeeding EOP dramafags. Kill yourselves.
You'll be necrobumping this shit thread to bump limit debating yourself anyways.

>>106053151
Its just the classic strategy these faggots use, claim something is fake or taken out of context but then never follow up with the supposed correct take on it.

>>106053222
Guess I'll believe the op and spread that information just to be the bane of your gorilla nigger life.

All she needed is a man.

>>106053163
She lives with her mom and sister, she did insinuate that certain member relationships were not "consensual", and everything else is true. idk what you people think to gain by putting your head in the sand and acting like all that shit that happened on stream didn't actually happen

>brown thread

>>106053224
Search the archive, shit search the holo reddit if you want the accurate rundown. You won't get it from this lot of seashit stirring drama.

>>106053222
>The faggot still can't refute what he claims is fake
That's what I fucking thought, you people never follow up on your accusations because you have nothing to back up your counter argument its always just cope and a failure to accept reality

>>106052670
It's like /vt/ not caring about a chuuba until they can find a reason to shit on her/her fanbase or use her to shit on other chuubas/fanbases

>>106052001
Holy based, as a holoan I instantly made her my oshi.

>>106052828
It's true, but it doesn't matter. All it does was making her looks petty AF. Most people will just look at
>Yagoo gave Shion more sponsorships because he felt bad for her as she dropped out of high school
as a good deed from Yagoo

>>106053327
>Search this, search that
Just post it motherfucker

>>106052289
Botan and watame. Flare and noel/ina. Are the easiest to spot, but both were never trully close to haato.

>>106053405
Well obviously not Haato, who is around the same age and was still attending school at the time. So yeah I would be stiffed too if a coworker who dropped out of school was getting better treatment, compared to me who was still busting ass in school while working at the same time. Plus its not just that example either, other Holos got better treatment than her and that's why she always felt jealous and mistreated and isolated throughout the years

>>106052761
Maybe she shouldn't have ghosted several of them multiple times (names on top of my head: Watame, Matsuri, Kanata - heck, she just cancelled a collab with Biboo recently because she "forgot about it").
Plenty of members were willing to help her (heck, she got more collabs than several members), but you can't help those who don't try to be helped. They are friends or colleagues, not therapists

>>106053499
Honestly I'd say the ones that actually oshi other holo members are the only real pairings that have been made, everything else was just pushed by management to create pairings for popularity

>>106052001
>Gets angry when other members talk about their own success and numbers, making her jealous
Damn she's just like me.

>>106053512
Being in Hololive is just so fundamentally different compared to regular friendships and coworkers tho, because they really are all in it together and part of this secret club that only they know everything about. They need to be there for each other, and Its hard to blame Haato when she was raised in such a fucked up upbringing herself never really having many friends and her parents both being awful

>>106053474
Search it yourself brown slop.

>>106053817
>Posts summary evidence
>"This is le wrong and fake news"
>Ok well show us the supposed "facts" then
>"N-n-no you go look it up yourself

>>106053512
She's a woman anon. That's how they are

>>106052828
>>106053405
She was reading the chat and said it was only her impression but she couldn't be sure.
>>106053645
She recently went in a trip to the US with Roboco, like how you can have vacation with someone and don't even recognize them as friends.

This was her highest ccv stream in a while, she has not reached over 10k in a long time. Plus she covers/mvs this year have all performed horrifically like barely 100k views. So its pretty obvious why she doesn't get a sololive, cause her music does not perform well. I assume she's bitching about the likes of Towa getting a 2nd solo live, but Towa is actually a good singer/dancer and her popularity is apparent

>>106053506
Gura (most subbed) got the worst rigging in vtubing history, her first 3D live cut in half, a bunch of projects cancelled, her Kyun! Vampire Girl cover axed at the last minute, had to kowtow to management for the daki, arranged a bunch of meetings for Full Color but to no avail, had to deal with scumbags like Alex and Omega, her gen anniversary 3D live was years following Uproar Anniversary 3D live, etc.

No, Haachama doesn't know true pain. Also, some holonigs would undoubtedly compare Gura to her if she were still in hololive, proving that nothing would ever please you corpodrones; quit or not quit.

I hate you faggots so much it's unreal.

>>106054185
Holy EOP moment, even trying to compare the struggles that the bandwagon EN fucks went through to someone that has literally been in the company since nearly the beginning when they were barely 3 views is quite something. The EN fags were literally handed everything to them because of Covid, everyone before them had to struggle and work their asses off

>>106052210
>I've got money and shit
just learn nihongo and ur good

>>106052001
So she's getting upset because she has to work at a company as well as the results of her own actions.

>>106053817
No, I think you're a lying piece of shit. There's no alternative summary, the OP is correct if not even worse and you're just running damage control not even for the company, but for your own burning ass. Enjoy another graduation

>>106052001
>Management being overly-restrictive
Yeah no shit, look at what she's does. It's tough a lot of members have to put up with shit too but they just be patient until they get their turn, She just needs to grow up, it's rough but if the more she behaves the more they'll let her do stuff.

>>106054310
Doesn't she speak English tho, ill pay for that bitch to fly out here to the US and live in my 3 bed house

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>>106052596
Fubuki was sleeping and had a low blood pressure,the opposite of high

>>106054316
She's upset because she doesn't get the proper support from the company or her coworkers since she doesn't have friends or family to rely on. So much for Hololive being a big happy family where they are all friends

>>106054185
She got the worst graduation too

>>106054390
Well this has clearly been going on for a while, so I doubt the vlog stuff was the first time management wrangled her in

>>106054316
No, she's getting upset because, as she said it herself, she stopped taking meds. When you are undertaking menhera treatment, you don't skip on meds

>>106054395
Well idk the immigration process for a jap leaving the rising sun so you’d at least need to help her with that.

>>106054400
Come on, anon. Surely you don't believe that?
FBK was in the stream and tried to reach out to Haachama (only for her to lash out against Foob).
What's more likely? That she is trying to convince the management not to fire Haachama or she just somehow coincidentally got some health issues bad enough that she had to cancel the collab at last minute?

All of these vtubers have a shit ton of RL baggage. It’s why they are vtubers…it’s escapism from their shitty lives.

But their shitty lives will always catch up to all of them eventually, without exception.

>>106054700
Dude I would do anything to have a Holo member come live with me and be my trad wife while she streams from home, I'm so fucking lonely

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OP is a schizo phasecuck

>>106054777
Yeah but they're also massively successful doing this, it just boggles my mind because If I had this much fame and money i'd just be chilling even if I had issues like this

>OP file name
Oh its this schizo again

>>106054455
Maybe if you're in Miko's close clique. Have fun sucking up to Miko and Suisei. Most of the groups have died over the years besides mandatory gen groups. Everyone does their own thing unless they're leeching off someone else.
I also don't understand why she just doesn't form friend with new members. Sure she collabs with EN often. If she wants friends, get buddy with the newer members.

>>106054875
> it just boggles my mind because If I had this much fame and money i'd just be chilling even if I had issues like this
Top-tier athletes from poor/middle-class families often end up burning through their money, ditto lottery winners. Actors in blockbusters can end up broken or destitute or both. Most people just can't handle "big breaks" well.

>>106054573
No...

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>>106054914
I legitimately have no idea why Haachama has any antis.Zhangs from the Taiwan yab? They can't be this deluded right?

>>106054991
That's because they buy drugs

>>106055056
It had to be a bunch of Chinese antis and Holo anti faggots who like stirring the pot. It's the only thing that makes sense.

>>106052001
>Lashes out at other holomens/management because she still has not gotten a sololive, while some of them have already gotten 2
This really is unfair. Especially back in her heyday.
>Continues going schizo (tho some of the stuff seems believable) by calling out other members for being hypocrites, that they only contact her when she's crying and depressed
Eh I wouldn't say that is a hypocrite. Some people care and want to help when they think someone needs it but won't otherwise.
>>Goes on a rant about the relationships/shipping between members, how some of it might be forced by management
This one is blatant, everyone knows things like Takamori was management set up. JP got them too of course.

>>106055056
They're relentless, they never forget or forgave even after all these years. idk why she just didn't put her chat in members only mode, cause obviously it was gray names spamming shit in the stream

I admire the skill with which holofags bury their yabs. They are even more powerful than the sisters.

>>106054914
Oh.

>>106055243
What did Hololive ever do to Phasecuckneck?

>>106055218
Yeah and something she didn't directly mention on the stream but has before, is that she was never really included in any of the EN concert stuff while non-English JP holos were.

I wouldn't really call it hypocritical either, but more like fake friendship stuff of only caring and showing up when someone needs your help.

I genuinely could not point out an actual authentic pairing in Hololive, they just all seem so fake and end up breaking apart anyway. Like Noel/Flare used to be one of the biggest ones, and they barely fucking talk anymore lol

>>106055243
It happens literally every-time there's holo drama, their fag fans just try hand waving it away as "oh its not that bad its just antis." But then shortly after a member ends up graduating/getting suspended/etc

>>106055243
Not that hard when most of those yabs aren't really anything major, unlike others' yabs

>>106055368
>I genuinely could not point out an actual authentic pairing in Hololive
Fubu Mio

>>106055218
>This really is unfair. Especially back in her heyday.
Cover doesn't decide who gets a solo live, though, sponsors do. Not much they can do if sponsors didn't want to give Haachama a solo live over other more profitable alternatives

>>106052001
>>106054914
>OP filename
Post it

>>106052001
While I won't believe any of this, I was gifted memberships and witnessed holos cry over loneliness before.

>>106055419
>But then shortly after a member ends up graduating/getting suspended
As if they don't hand wave that as well

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>>106055243
Of course. Haachama said yesterday that their souls are wrong, after all

>>106052596
The fubuki statement was just something if she ever not get preferential treatment. It doesn't apply to other holo

>>106055723
Helps that all graduations have been amicable so far and none of the ex-holo has shat on the group yet

>>106052129
Nigger

>>106056021
It's more that FBK cancelled her collab earlier with EN to help Haachama, not her years old statement.

>>106056028
>All graduations have been amicable
Literally every Holo that graduated has stated disagreements with management lmao, there has clearly been a massive change in the company this past year because seeing such an exodus like never before is a massive red flag. Obviously no ex-holo is gonna shit talk the company, their entire livelihood as an indie is reliant on their ex fans from Hololive lmao

>>106052001
Actual transcript of what she said:
https://x.com/monk3ybo/status/1983386818092708105

>>106052001
Haachama would be a lot more popular if she spoke English normally

>>106055056
>I legitimately have no idea why Haachama has any antis.
Because she's a part of Hololive

>>106056104
>Not translated

>>106054295
So why didn't any of the JPs get popular over covid then? Gen 5 debuted a month before Myth did and they didn't even get half of what EN did :^)

>>106056144
Doubt it, she never really had a massive EN fanbase even when she was speaking English before HoloEN was a thing. Maybe if she just used her normal voice instead originally, then she probably would've been more popular

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>>106056102
>disagreements with management
Yeah, which Shion herself said that the management asked them to say as a catch-all reason to avoid people attacking graduated members.
Or what Towa said in picrel, too
>Obviously no ex-holo is gonna shit talk the company, their entire livelihood as an indie is reliant on their ex fans from Hololive lmao
Weird that that doesn't seem to apply to other groups' ex members, then

>>106055056
since when did schizos ever need a reason

>>106056195
Because Myth completely overshadowed JP 5, what even is this argument. They were the first EN gen and completely blew up because vtubing was finally going outside Japan. Meanwhile JP gen 5 didn't really have much standout and they of course had to deal with the initial shitshow of losing a member within a month so yeah they struggled a lot more than Myth did

>>106056195
>So why didn't any of the JPs get popular over covid then
Large majority of top VTubers are JPs, anon

>>106056205
Funny using Towa as a rebuttal here because just recently she was shit talking management over the new Holo shit app. Then why can't the talents just be honest if management isn't the reason, why not just say that they've done everything they've wanted to in Hololive and are satisfied with their career or that they are wanting to focus on other things. Blaming management is the only key factor, you don't have multiple members leave in rapid succession all stating the same reason and then being like "oh everything is fine actually."

>>106056322
Plus JP vtubers already had their boom, them becoming bigger was what allowed foreign branches to even become a thing. Covid was simply the boom for the EN vtubers

>>106056322
Most subbed vtuber in the world is an EN. Fastest to a million subs record holder is also an EN. Biggest vtuber outside Hololive is an EN.

>>106056195
>:^)
Hey Kson's father, you really should give more attention to your daughter so that she won't get scammed by another VTubing company instead of arguing on the internet

>>106056195
Holy newfag, look up how suisei, miko and subaru were doing in 2018

>>106056388
Factually incorrect. Covid was a boom for all vtubers, even the JP. It's why they kept sucking up to EN and the english speaking fanbase so much for the first couple years in the decade. When the hype died down, they dropped the english speaking world like a bag of hot potatoes.

>>106055056
For the same reason anything ever has haters.
Exactly, there's no particular reason

>>106056391
Most subbed vtuber is graduated, so its a JP member with Marine. Saba is the fastest to 1 million, but that's because she had the Gura hype. Which vtuber are you talking about is the "biggest" outside Hololive, Ironlung? You do know that subcounts for both Twitch and Youtube don't mean shit right, its all about ccv which JP vtubers absolutely btfo EN vtubers on all accounts

>>106056441
Yeah, an online-only concert with only a couple hundred tickets sold on VR is not a boom.

>>106056340
>and then being like "oh everything is fine actually."
You can't realistically expect that all employees will remain working at the company for life and will never leave. People leaving is normal and it doesn't necessarily mean that something is going horribly wrong with the company.

>>106056340
Talents can be unhappy with the management and Hololive has never forbidden them from showing their displeasures. There are always disagreements, but it doesn't necessarily mean either side was at fault, though. Ultimately, majority of talents still are happy because the pros far outweight the cons.
Those who didn't think so, left in amicable way, which led to those graduations.
>Then why can't the talents just be honest if management isn't the reason, why not just say that they've done everything they've wanted to in Hololive and are satisfied with their career or that they are wanting to focus on other things
Funny you say this because some of them (i.e: Sakuna) said exactly that on their new identities. Again, management asked them not to and they are leaving amicably, so why shouldn't they listen?

>>106056448
This is just not true, covid was nowhere near as big of a boom for JP as it was for EN. JP was also absolutely not "sucking up" to EN at all, EN was famously isolated for a while only really doing stuff together

>>106056470
>its all about ccv
This was debunked a long time ago, but #fags hold on to this was their final gotcha to justify their bad behavior. VOD views are what count and make you the big bucks on YT. Then come sponsorships and ad sense which the businessmen in charge look at subs for instead of taking ccv into account.

>>106056391
>Most subbed vtuber in the world is an EN
Sub is one of the more meaningless metrics.
>Biggest vtuber outside Hololive is an EN.
Untrue

I could be her older gentleman figure who she calls daddy in bed.

>>106056545
>VOD views are what count and make you the big bucks on YT. Then come sponsorships and ad sense which the businessmen in charge look at subs for instead of taking ccv into account.
Yeah, and top JP VTubers beat EN in all those aspects

>>106056524
>JP was also absolutely not "sucking up" to EN
Not to Myth, sure, but they were really going in on that kaigainiki audience hard when the covid boom hit. A lot of them also grew pretty Gura and Mori crazy over 2020 after they saw what kind of numbers they were pulling.

>>106056493
Sure, but when this happened in such rapid succession the likes of which Hololive had never experienced before, that's where the problem is. And how it seemingly is continuing to happen as well, plus its not like its only the old guard leaving either but people that have only been in for 2-3 years. Then seeing fans continually cope every time that "oh its not a pattern and surely another one doesn't happen this year", only to be proven wrong as usual every time

okay so is anyone going to post the "correct" summary of events? apparently OP is a schizo or a phasecuck or both, so what's really gone down here?

>>106056524
>EN was famously isolated for a while only really doing stuff together
The 1 month collab ban appplies to every branches anon...

>>106056448
>It's why they kept sucking up to EN and the english speaking fanbase so much for the first couple years in the decade. When the hype died down, they dropped the english speaking world like a bag of hot potatoes.
Why, would the JPs need to do that when they already have the EN branch to cater to that demographic? Whatever would having an EN branch be for then?

>>106056494
Oh yeah all's so well in Hololive right now, when you've got multiple members having literal mental breakdowns and crying randomly on streams. What a great company!

>>106056613
>>106056104
MTL yourself. That's the safest way because otherwise every summaries you get will be biased towards one side or another
(Or you can read through her split in the archive, that works too)

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>>106056551
>Sub is one of the more meaningless metrics
Okay, first of all ESL, but secondly that is untrue. Subs are what the shareholders look at when making executive decisions. Take a look at pic rel. Notice how they're advertising her subs over ccv.

>>106056545
ccv is still king because it drives up engagement through likes and comments, sub count means fucking nothing

>>106056593
Again this is just not true, JP members had always been playing around with their foreign fans before EN was even a thing

>>106056613
The "correct" summary is literally just what OP posted, go to any JP post or translated post on it and its basically the same shit point by point. Holofags are just being annoying because the vod was deleted and they want to bury any evidence of the stream

>>106056616
Yes but it extended far beyond the 1 month collab ban, well into their first year they still all remained isolated with each other

>>106056635
Majority of members are happy and their popularity keep going up. Not *all* is well, but it's great in general.
Unfortunately, when a group become as big as Hololive, you can't keep everyone happy. Not everyone is cut out to be able to deal with as much popularity, responsibilities and spotlight. That's just part of the work. What's good, though, is that Hololive isn't malicious and being in Holo earned them so much money that if anyone gets tired, they can always leave without worry.
This is a job. People will leave over time. If anything, Hololive has great retention rate if you look at idols' average shelf life (around 3-4 years)

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I still think she doomed herself because of this unnecessarily-dragging-long schizo arc

>>106055056
Being part of hololive gets you antis by default. People that simp for other orgs and are jealous of success.

>Her entire gripes are how shittily she is treated at Cover
>Plebbit insists she should see a therapist
Bootlickers, through and through

>>106056665
VOD views do that just as much if not more. ccv has no affect on the algorithm. Some of the biggest (non-vtuber) content creators in the world have unimpressive ccv but decent subs and well performing VOD views that the number of people watching concurrently is irrelevant. Virality drives up engagement, and that is the one metric thats impossible to predict.

>>106056652
And yet notice that members like Suisei or Miko get seemingly the best treatment because they get the highest ccv, despite not having the top sub count

>>106056733
Not really. I found the whole seven hour archive on the tower.

>>106056787
Did you miss the part where she ranted against her family, JP police, and her RL friend, too?

>>106056762
Ok but this still doesn't address the problem, and that is that all this shit started happening after the company went public. Not A chan literally making it as clear as possible on her debut as an indie that she left because the company became too corpo, its lost its soul and that's why people have been leaving

>>106056768
Nah, it was kino. The thing is, it turns out it wasn't an arc, nor an act, but how she actually feels. If you can overlook the ESL of her original songs like Infinity and BUTA, you can see how she wears her (big red) heart on her sleeve.

>>106056827
>More things that don't require a therapist
Wanna try again, but without reeking of shoe polish?

>>106056848
I don't think a cover song is as clear as possible to be honest. It's basically interpretively opaque.

>>106056787
She practically confirmed her graduation as well on the stream, and multiple members have delayed their streams as well, so she's probably getting terminated this week
>inb4 "2 more weeks" cope as usual

>>106056874
Do you think that the only things that warrant a therapist are attempted suicide and schizophrenia?

>>106056798
Saying ccv has no affect on the algorithm is actually retarded, its probably the biggest impact on the algorithm and the other way around as well.

>>106056803
Pick your poison: They're OGs, they're Japanese, they're popular performers, they're favored by management because of reasons we fans aren't privy to. Aqua was a ccv beast in her day and she wasn't treated as fairly as those two management dolls were. Koyo is a current ccv beast and she's not as promoted as micomet is. Gura had decent ccv and yet her sub count was all management would talk about.

>>106053378
Or to saviorfag. They arent there for the chuuba herself and it doesnt last

>>106056886
You have 0 media literacy and critical thinking skill if you see that mv, and don't come to the conclusion about her feelings with the company becoming jaded over time as it grew. Like what cope is this

>>106056848
> that's why people have been leaving
Except we now know the reasons why graduated members left and virtually none of those had anything to do with "going public" (why would this even matter when shareholders have no sway over the company anyway?)
They don't even have the same reason, for that matter

>>106056874
She has gripes with basically everything in her life. That does sound like something she should see a therapist for IMO.
In fact, she IS seeing therapist. She said right on this stream that she decided to stop taking meds for some reasons (which probably caused the entire stream)

>>106056920
Anything that is mental wellbeing and could use a secondary source for guidance - therapist
Everything else requires external assistance, but then again i forget most westoids pay 200/hr to randos just to gossip about drama and call it "therapy"

>>106056803
He's not wrong though, the things you talked about are company and creative based decisions. People who knows and cares jack shit about her, like the investors who only wants money for example, use subcounts as metrics.

>>106056929
Okay, saying it has NO effect was retarded of me, but it is less impactful than VOD views are. VOD views are more important for long-term channel growth, revenue, and algorithmic authority. ccv is more important for real-time promotion, initial momentum, and live-specific opportunities (e.g., Super Chats, collabs). In short, VODs are better for long term sustainability, while ccv can push your face to the front of the crowd. I'm also assuming that the end goal of numbers discussion is money, since mind share is impossible to calculate without like a bajilion surveys, so we know that VOD views rake in more cash especially on YT, which is why a lot of top talent Twitch streamers also have dedicated VOD channels.

>>106056941
Aqua was literally given everything, and she still ended up becoming a lazy bitch who barely streamed. Koyori is extremely popular solo, which means there's not as much promotion compared to if she were a duo like Suisei and Miko are. Gura had way more than decent ccv, beating out even some of the top JP members. The only reason why sub count mattered with Gura, is because she actually had the ccv to back it up (cause look at someone like Ollie and try saying that sub count matters when she barely gets 3 digit ccv) plus her sub count was so ridiculously high that of course they were going to focus on that. But the reality is that most members are realistically around 1-2 million subs, so at that point you cannot use sub count to differentiate them but ccv is how their popularity is measured on top of things like view count for music stuff

>>106056999
>why would this even matter when shareholders have no sway over the company anyway?
Are you like fucking 5 years old?

>>106057052
>Anything that is mental wellbeing and could use a secondary source for guidance
So you think Haachama, who has been undergoing treatment for her mental health and started lashing out at everything in her life the night she skipped on her meds, didn't fit into this?

>>106057108
>a lazy bitch
gotta love this corpo narrative
>Anyone who would dare leave the paradise that is Hololive is a lazy whore

>>106056999
>Shareholders have no sway over the company
what the actual fuck is this argument, you must be a neet or a literal teenager to even spout that nonsense

tl;dr Australia is to blame for Hachaama’s demise.

>>106056602
>likes of which Hololive had never experienced before
Hololive had experienced much worse with the termination of the whole chink branch. And that was definitely not a normal occurrence.
Current graduations on the other had is just business as usual. All companies have employees leaving for various reasons. And will continue to do so.

>>106057067
Subcount only means shit if their actual numbers can back it up, otherwise you'd see members that also have 1 million plus subs getting equal treatment which they do not. Like the ID branch has sub counts equal to even JP members, but their ccv and vod views are garbage

>>106057113
No, I can read what they say publicly. That's one of the two main issues shareholders have against Cover, by the way. The other was that they had no way to profit from their stocks except selling them. Cover hasn't bothered to "fix" either.
Do you know how many times Cover has blatantly told shareholders off and rejected their suggestions?

>>106057119
>My company is heavily stifling my work, harassing me about my content, and my coworkers are actively avoiding me while showing heavy favoritism
>>Damn that's crazy, you should see a therapist
>Maybe i should quit
>>Fine, lazy bitch

>>106057077
This still invalidates the sub count argument, because ccv and vod/video views are what ultimately matter

>>106052001
-Well yeah, what corporate doesnt have restrictive management? They are a business. Legal and rights issues are a shit task they have to do and one they cannot just skip.
-Then talk them up and her family has nothing to do with Holo
-She has never been known for her singing like others and outside for the Taiwan fuckery, she was never that much of a draw for it.
-Again, this sounds more like "I wont start seeking contact first, if they had any interest in me, the write first.", to "WHY DONT THEY CONTACT ME". Contact goes both sides. This just sounds like she has no interest in them but wants them to be interested in her.
-Well, duh. Took her this long to find out management pushes ships?
-People arent allowed to be happy and proud of their success?
-Grown ass adult. Move out.
-The one dropped out needing support and she is jealous she didn't get the same treatment for still being in school? Shocker.
-Mental Illness
-That is nobodys fault.
-Again, dont expect people to have an interest in you if you apparently make no efforts to show interest in them.
This just reeks of her never being the one who starts up a conversation but expects socializing to fall into her lap. Goes both ways. And if this goes on for years, of course you may get a reputation of being a loner who is isolated from everyone else.

>>106057183
You want ID members to promote Japanese products?!

>>106056989
>media literacy
Do you think life is a marvel movie or something. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.
You can read the cover itself like that but it's a leap in logic to read that much into Achan. You're basically leaping from understanding the thematic message of a cover to soothsaying exactly what the intentions and thoughts someone had in posting it.
Probably because of bias.

>>106057152
See >>106057202
Majority of shareholders don't have anywhere nearly enough to influence Cover. Yagoo and his friends hold the large majority of the stocks.
It's not the US either so Ford doesn't apply here

Honestly, none of this is that bad, she just needs support and therapy. She probably should be suspended and then not allowed back until a therapist clears her, but then on top of that she needs some of these girls to actually give a damn about her. Though I don't blame them if they don't. It's a bit of a mess to deal with.

>>106057219
Let me simplify it: VOD > ccv. ccv > subs for the algorithm. Subs = king for investors, shareholders, and PR reps.

>>106057151
Nice misconstruing my argument, they were all lazy bitches while STILL IN HOLOLIVE. Aqua literally only started streaming again because she was gonna graduate, but now that she's been indie for a year she has shown that she never changed and still barely streams. Gura was even worse because even leading up to her graduation she still barely streamed, and just like Aqua now being indie she also still barely fucking streams lmao

>>106057211
> and my coworkers are actively avoiding me
She literally said the opposite. She said that they didn't do it intentionally but she still *felt* excluded. Not even that she was excluded, but she *felt* excluded.
>showing heavy favoritism
Yeah, like supporting the unfortunate girl who had to drop out of high school. What unbelievable favoritism

>>106056694
Yes, playing around. But they really dialed it up over covid till it wasn't as profitable anymore. Standout example for me are Towa and Aki who both owed a lot to their english audiences, but eventually dropped them when they became successful enough to stand on their on in the JP space. Now you hardly ever even see JPs give EN fans the time of the day.

>>106057180
The China shitfest is nowhere near comparable to what has been happening the past year. It was an entirely external issue and was largely targeted at 1 member who ended up leaving anyway even after Hololive cut ties with China. This is entirely an internal issue, and it still is the fact that so many members have been leaving in rapid succession is what makes it the problem. Especially when practically every member that left immediately went on to redebuting as an indie anyway, so they all clearly had issues with management and the company. Like fucking for real how else can you interpret it, Aqua and Gura getting literally the same designer and practically the same character as indies compared to their Holo character

>>106057211
>and my coworkers are actively avoiding me while showing heavy favoritism
This is untrue when she was invited to a bunch of collabs and events, some of which she dipped out while ghosting the other members.

>>106057239
What the fuck are you even trying to argue here, why doesn't ID get to do a bunch of cool promotion shit for their country then if their high sub counts are supposedly a big factor in promotions?

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>>106057318
>they were all lazy bitches while STILL IN HOLOLIVE
By whos metric, by what established standard?
Show us Mr. Anon, a written or spoken requirement of minimum hours/streams Cover or Hololive demanded from their talents

>>106052001
kek you guys never learnt

>>106057243
How the fuck else are you suppose to interpret the video? Her going from a happy go lucky worker in a company, into dreading working there because it went from being a small close knit group into a massive global brand that only cares about numbers now. Oh yeah it totally means something different and is just an allegory for whatever else, brilliant Especially how it was literally the first thing she uploaded going indie, really no meaning behind it truly.

>>106057443
Because Indonesians don't give a fuck about Vtubers. All hololive members are basically nobody to them.

>>106057274
You're just continuing to spout nonsense, the shareholders could literally vote out Yaggo as ceo if they wanted to. They still have power even though he's majority shareholder, no shareholder is going to stake their money in a company and just get walked over by the ceo

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>>106057409
>entirely an internal issue
Yeah, the issue that most Hololive members have been getting richer and older. It's easy to leave the grind and switch to hobby mode when you are a multi-millionaire

>>106057036
doesn't that shit makes you emotionally numb if taken for a long period of time?
I'm pretty sure you are supposed to take them until the cause of her mental distress is fixed instead of something to be taken for the rest of her life

stopping with the meds is clearly a bad idea but feeling like becoming a literal drone must be far worse

>>106057283
>None of this is bad
Holokeks literally getting told by one of the talents directly how shitty management and their coworkers are, and they somehow construe it into it not being a negative thing. So much bootlicking my god

>>106057544
> the shareholders could literally vote out Yaggo as ceo if they wanted to
No, they can't, you retard, not without Yagoo's COO and friends backstabbing him which they most likely won't

>Coco and all of HoloCN died for this retard
Honestly, fucking hilarious regardless of your stance of bugmen

>>106057548
ALL HAIL, MACHINE-KUN~
Topic is settled. Lets go home.

>>106057443
Cause they prefer fleshies who they can hire with minimum pay over there

>>106057306
Let my simplify it, they all only matter if you have actually have the viewership to bakup the other shit

>>106057588
Well also he's the founder and president no? You can only vote out CXO positions, unless you're batshit retarded and actively harming your company to the point that even non-appointed positions can be taken away

I don't really know what's going to happen but Haachama has worked really hard, more than most members in her branch would, and it always felt like she just couldn't luck into having a massive yield on that. No other JP member beyond maybe Lui went out of their way to interact with the EN audience as much as she did. She really obviously wants to grow.

I hope things work out for her. I genuinely don't want to see the termination.

>>106057548
>Tier 1 subs = ~$2.50-$3.50 per sub
YT doesn't pay for subs, chatGPT-kun...

>>106057397
Towa and Aki are standout examples, and not the norm tho. They were both practically saved by their non-JP fans, and cut them loose once they regained some semblance of popularity again in their home market

>>106057644
ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE MACHINE GOD???

>>106057585
>Company need to follow rules too
>Co-workers not acting like family members
Wow... They are so bad.

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>>106057644
The machine has spoken yet again.

>>106057666
fuck off satan your machine is gay and retarded

>>106052001
welcome to phase miss haachama

>>106057590
I've been saying this for ages. They should have kept HoloCN and instantly terminated Haachama and Coco.

>>106057639
>No other JP member beyond maybe Lui went out of their way to interact with the EN audience as much as she did
She isn't going to grow much by trying to interact with EN audience. If she wants to (which I don't doubt), she is seriously doing it wrong

>>106057486
Nobody mentioned anything about required streaming hours, but ok. If you weren't a newfag, then you'd the dropout in streaming from members like Shion/Gura/Aqua/Ayame/etc who did used to actually stream regularly during their 1st year or 2, but then only streamed once a month at best and that's still generally how they stream now. That is literally lazy as fuck for being a streamer, its their fucking job to stream and they can barely be bothered to put in 1-2 hours a month doing it

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>>106057726
>他们本应该保留HoloCN,并立即终止Haachama和Coco的合作。

>>106057522
This is just not true, there are some actual popular ID vtubers

>>106057585
I talk shit about the entire world when I am in a substantially bad mood, too. There's no reason to not believe everything Haachama said wasn't exaggerated.

>>106052970
Welcoming to EN vtubing.

Incidentally Sakana should absolutely try to poach Hachama. She could really cement his move into the JP market and her low numbers would be fine in Phase. Plus she wouldn't need to censor herself as much. Which could lead to bigger numbers.

>>106057748
>There is no official requirement, but I PERSONALLY....
Cool, opinion discarded

>>106057553
Then why even bother redebuting as an indie if they're already that rich and successful, its because they still want to do it but had obvious reasons for leaving the company. Being in the company offers them opportunities that they simply would not get anywhere else, all of them that left are traitor whores that gave up the idol dream to be lazy indies and openly cuck their fans apparently

>>106057226
>this sounds more like "I wont start seeking contact first, if they had any interest in me, the write first.", to "WHY DONT THEY CONTACT ME". Contact goes both sides. This just sounds like she has no interest in them but wants them to be interested in her.
This is exactly what i feel from most of her problems.
Unfortunately, she had rough childhood and got bullied during school. It seems like she didn’t how to approach others. Most holos are introvert, if she doesn’t start, don’t expect anyone to approach her.
Even if someone does think of her as a friend, but she doesn’t seem to think so.

>>106057588
>Retard who has literally no idea how companies work
go back to school kid, your parents would fucking beat you if they could see what retarded nonsense your spouting off shit that you have 0 experience in

>>106056064
Neuro*

>>106057590
It will always be hilarious to me that Cover literally cut off an entire branch and market for Coco to stay, only for her to fucking bail and then join a corpo that was secretly aiming to topple Hololive as the biggest company

>>106057684
Didn't know that only family members could be there for people in their time of need, some shitty friends you must have if any then anon

>>106057863
Because they still want to be a VTuber, they just don't want to grind? As much as shitposters want to pretend otherwise, being in Hololive is hard work
>Being in the company offers them opportunities that they simply would not get anywhere else
That's true, but not everyone wants that kind of opportunity, especially if they don't need to worry about money anymore.

>>106057897
>no argument
Find me any CEO and founder of a company who got voted out when he effectively has more than 64% of the shares on his side, retard

>>106057862
>White knighting for girls that give so little of a shit about their fans that they can't even be bothered to make their own posts on social media and have their managers do it

>>106052210
Chama speaks good English, get her a visa, bring her to the U.S, marry her and boom she becomes a U.S citizen.

>>106057972
>Still spouting off wrong nonsense

>>106057409
>Like fucking for real how else can you interpret it
Why are you so insistent on digging some "it's so over" moment?
Obviously working for the company has not only pros, but cons as well. And there is nothing wrong with certain talents eventually deciding that working for the company is not for them. In fact some might've even planned something like that from the start — I remember seeing a post from an indie chuuba who tried (and failed) to get into Hololive and she clearly stated that her ideal career path was "indie -> Hololive (for some time) -> indie with a larger fanbase".
Naturally graduations and re-debuts happened and will happen again. And it doesn't mean that the company is crumbling or somesuch, it's just people acting like people.

>>106054390
>look at what she's does
>the more she behaves the more they'll let her do stuff
She was at her most popular before management shut her down during her schizo RP thing she was doing and it's all been a huge fall off a cliff ever since that happened.

>>106058101
Yeah no I've heard the cope before and it still doesn't make it any better, Hololive went literally years with maybe 1 graduation/termination a year and that was it. Going from that to losing nearly 2 entire gens of members in a 1-2 year span, is not normal. This is not some retail job where people are constantly coming and going, its meant to be a long term career and seeing that many members leaving in rapid succession is a red flag. If almost 10 people in my office left that quickly, i'd be freaking the fuck out

>>106052723
Then can you provide us with the accurate translation of what she said in that stream?

>>106057945
Funny you say so, because one of her issue was that some members were only there for her at her time of need. In fact, FBK reached out and tried to help her right during this stream, only for her to lash out against FBK
Let's face it: what she said and her actions were contradictory as hell. She claimed that she felt excluded (although she did admit that other members didn't exclude her intentionally), but then when other members reached out, she rejected them (Matsuri, Watame, Biboo, etc.). That's not how it works.

>>106058036
>no argument

>>106058177
>Going from that to losing nearly 2 entire gens of members in a 1-2 year span, is not normal.
That's merely a consequence of rapid growth.

>>106058269
My argument is that the shareholders/board can vote him out even without majority share, your argument is fucking "nuh uh"

>>106058301
Do you mean popularity growth or gen growth, cause Hololive has debuted quite slowly with the only rapid debuts were from Advent-Justice and Devis-Regloss

>>106058177
>its meant to be a long term career
It's not, really. An idol shelf life is relatively short (3-4 years on average) and while it's easier to be a Holo VTuber, it's still taxing (physically and socially).
Being a VTuber can be a long term career, but being a Hololive VTuber might not. Some can keep grinding, but some might prefer a more relaxing environment

>>106058408
Then why even apply to join the company then if you do not have long term aspirations, makes no sense hearing some of these girls bitch about shit that should've been expected working for a company like this with JP corpo autism and having to travel to Japan and perm autism

>>106058329
No, they can't, not even when they band together. What the fuck are you even talking about? He is the CEO and has more than 60% of the shares on his side. In no realistic scenario can he be removed against his will
That isn't a "nuh uh", that's how business works

>>106058408
>idol
They're let's players.
>it's still taxing
They're let's players.

>>106057771
Say what you want, faggot Coco was(is) a whore and Hachama is talentless retarded schizo. Holo would be making millions in China without any problems since Japan and China share values, traditions and part of the language

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>>106058533
>Holo would be making millions in China without any problems since Japan and China share values, traditions and part of the language

>Continues going schizo (tho some of the stuff seems believable) by calling out other members for being hypocrites, that they only contact her when she's crying and depressed
I bet it was foom and sui

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>>106058514
>Hey Tomar, what would you do if you woke up and you were a super successful vtuber?

>>106058554
>Cons: NONE!

>>106058503
A ceo is not all powerful even with majority shares, even fucking Elon can be voted out of his companies but he isn't because he keeps the shareholders happy. All it takes is 1 bad quarter revenue report or him pissing off enough people on the board for him to get the boot. idk where you think ceos are untouchable, they get fired all the fucking time if the company is going to shit which Hololive certainly is on track towards losing so many members

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>>106058390
Mostly popularity growth and growth of the company in a sense of "increased scale of operations" — i.e. more activities, tighter schedules and generally increased pressure on talent.

>>106058463
Because being part of Hololive has the funny effect of catapulting you into stardom and making you rich.
On average, Hololive Production pays its talents $450K a year - this number was dragged down by... less popular members like Holostars and IDs. Realistically, we are likely looking at $600K-$700K on average for Hololive EN / JP members here (for example, Lamy made somewhere between $700K to $1.5M a year judging based on her income tax). Even taking taxes into account, 3-4 years of that and most members would be set for life or close to and can choose to either keep grinding to go further or retire and chill around at their own pace without worrying about working
It's a job. Not everyone is going to chase after the top like Suisei

>>106058633
Then talents would've been leaving around 2021-2022 if that was the case, cause that's when Hololive was booming. It still just comes back to them going public is the main problem

>>106052289
>>106053499
The dating couple was Ao and Marine.

>>106058652
If anyone is joining just for the quick buck to leave after 1-2 years, then that just reinforces the argument that they're simply lazy griefer whores that never actually cared about the company

I love haachama. I love any jp that panders even a little bit to me, the average kaigainiki. Her and Roboco are the only JP I actually watch streams, because I know she notices I'm there, because she has shown it in a way I can understand
Love you Haachama, hope my feeling reach you, as they say in glorious nippon

>>106058604
Elon owns less than 20% of Tesla, obviously he can be voted out. Again, Yagoo has more than 60% on his side. That's two vastly different cases.
> idk where you think ceos are untouchable, they get fired all the fucking time
CEOs aren't untouchable, but a CEO with majority of the shares on his side is. What, do you think ~40% of the shares can somehow override the legal decision of the ~60%?

>JP about to lose another OG
>ID will never quit because this is the best job by a country mile in Indognesia
Who will be the EN that's next to leave? My bet is on Shiori

>>106058604
>if the company is going to shit which Hololive certainly is on track towards losing so many members
Meanwhile, in reality, Hololive's popularity and profits have been going up steadily YoY

>>106052001
Where is the part that Vesper made all this shit up?

>>106058726
>Myth
Kiara (sadly)>>106058717

>Promise
anyone the gen is doomed
>Advent
Shiori then Rissa
All of Justice will stay

>>106053339
NTA but the burden of proof is on the OP who is positing the claims you fucking retard. I think OP is obviously a faggot writing a fanfic, and anyone with a brain would think so as well. So now he has to prove otherwise. But he won't because he's shit-stirring faggot.

>>106058717
The point with Elon was moreso his relevancy rather than his shares, and the point still stands because it doesn't matter if a ceo has 10% or 80% they are still equally at risk of losing their position. They aren't a private company anymore, they are beholden to public investors and major companies like blackrock now that have leverage by threatening to potentially withhold future investments. That's their power, putting more money into the company or not and threatening the ceo for removal is one such way. Reality is not like movies bud, maybe get some real world experience first before continuing to spout nonsense about something you have 0 idea about

>>106058652
Lol, no your number is way overexaggerated, even Towa called out the people who claimed Holos are making a ton of money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbPJAs0zaQ
Judging by their yearly Superchats, their merch sales and the fact that they gotta split that with cover corp, most members are lucky to make $200k a year.
The top members like Miko, Marine, Suisie, they can break into that $400k a year realm.

>fags come in here saying it's all bullshit and made-up by SEAmonkeys
>"ok then what's the real translation?"
>coping, seething, refusing to say anything
Haachama seems really mentally ill so this probably is overblown but Hololive fanboys are ironically the ones making it worse by attacking everyone instead of just taking it as it is.

>>106058726
Probably Kiara, I feel like many of Haato's grievances are shared by Kiara like not really having many friends in Holo and dealing with management BS

>>106058675
They might've had contract until certain dates. And it's possible that the pressure was gradually piling up since 2021-22. Though yes, going public most likely played the role as well.

>>106058796
>Promise
>anyone the gen is doomed
Kronii is the only one who can walk away, IRyS and Bae live in JP and would be fucked -so they're essentially indentured servants who get a paycheck

>>106053499
>Flare and Ina
Will never happen. Futan is too autistic make serious advances.

>>106058751
This is why the company is going to shit, it becoming bigger and bigger and more profitable. Its why so many industries like gaming went to shit, because they became too big and mainstream. How can you actually call yourself a fan of something, if all you care about it is becoming bigger and more mainstream when that just means it gets shittier and shittier? Do you need your hobbies to have mainstream acceptance or something, cause that is probably the gayest thing I've ever seen on social media

>>106058817
The "proof" is the deleted stream you fucking retard, but nice try

In a better timeline, YAGOO hires the girl behind Sara Hoshikawa to be "Haachama" instead

>>106052210
just give her red superchat
>IM VERY RICH WILL YOU MARRY ME? I WILL GIVE YOU GREEN CARD

>>106058848
Happens all the time whenever there's Holo drama, just continue to downplay and shitflinging while coping about it getting better and not being as bad as it is. Holokeks are so fucking pathetic

>>106058823
>it doesn't matter if a ceo has 10% or 80% they are still equally at risk of losing their position
Okay, now I have to flip your question back at you: are you a kid? Because it absolutely matter.
Trigger a vote against the CEO all you want, but if you don't get a majority, he isn't leaving. They aren't "equally at risk". Someone with 80% (your number) of the shares on his side isn't going to get fired against his will. Period.
>That's their power, putting more money into the company or not and threatening the ceo for removal is one such way
Doesn't matter if they are the minority because in this case, the CEO has more money on his side. The CEO IS the major party.
Actually look things up before posting.

>>106058924
You're in a Holofag thread. They aren't fans of the talents or their content. They're fans of the brand.

>>106052001
>Hololive members bullied and excluded Haachama
Rushia was right once again

>>106057992
You want to go live in El Salvador? Crazy plan anon.

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>>106058839(me)
If you look at Social Blade, Lamy's estimated yearly income from Youtube, at the high end it's about $254K a year.
So even if we take the high end of the estimate, you still gotta cut that in half, YT and Cover take half, Lamy keeps the rest. So that's $127 a year from her YT. Not sure if Social Blade includes SCs in that yearly est, but that could bump it up another $100K per year.

>>106058910
I disagree with you there. IRyS had as much a chance as Kronii
It's just Bae that's truly fucked

>>106052001
>retard complains about being tardwrangled
lel

>>106059024
Filthy rich that is

>>106058924
Vtubers aren't art it's supposed to be mainstream pop culture

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>>106058924
>HOLOLIVE IS ON IT'S LAST LEGS SOON EVERYONE WILL LEAVE!
>Hololive is actually doing well
>HOLOLIVE IS DOING WELL BUT IT GETS SHITTIER BECAUSE OF THAT!

>>106058989
Do you just not know how companies and investments work or something? Obviously, because you are claiming literal elementary levels of mistakes here. Imagine being this confidently incorrect, fuck sake go put the fries in the bag bud you have 0 clue or experience about this shit

>>106058839
>even Towa called out the people who claimed Holos are making a ton of money
You literally don't have any idea what that clip was about. Towa was addressing a specific tweet that said Hololive members make several millions dollars a year - which they obviously don't make that much. She never said that they don't make much at all.
>Judging by their yearly Superchats, their merch sales and the fact that they gotta split that with cover corp, most members are lucky to make $200k a year.
>The top members like Miko, Marine, Suisie, they can break into that $400k a year realm.
Hey, anon, take a look at Cover's financial report. They literally and publicly displayed how much on average they give their talents there

>>106059060
>Gains more money and fame
>Loses more talents at a faster rate
You can see the eventual collision, right anon?

whats wrong with vlog stuffs?
I kinda like her trip

>>106059044
It's pretty good, but it's not $1.7 Million a year like that anon was claiming.

>>106058710
to be honest, that's what should every employee do. never put any loyalty to your company because they don't give a fuck about you either

>>106058998
Which is the worst because these people are the vocal minority that don't even watch streams, they're just like the homobeggars that come out the woodwork to virtue signal and then go hibernate until the next drama happens. They only like Hololive because its the biggest company, that's it just bandwagoners who could probably not even tell you what the fan names for 5 talents are

>>106059024
And that's where you are wrong. Hololive members make most of their income from merch, not ad revenue in that pic or SC. You would have to take that number with SC, then add their merch revenue on top.
Again, Lamy said it herself. You don't have to go to any site for that unless you think she just decided to lie for some weird reasons.

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>>106059083

Holocucks aren't beating the allegations in here

>>106059074
I know you are an underage retard. That's enough

>>106057163
Everyone is just one situation / bad circumstance away from devolving into an absolute child.

>>106058989
Why are you arguing with this guy? Everything he's typed has been bullshit, seafags are not generally taught how shares work. I'm not even sure this guy know whats the difference between a CEO, CFO, COO etc.

>>106059123
>It's yet another talent saying Management are fucking with them
How many more times do we have to hear it before holodrones realize its a genuine problem

>>106059060
2 things can be true you know, they can be growing and financially successful as a company (which I never denied btw so you're just spazzing out), but they still get worse as seen by all the members that have been leaving despite the success.

>>106059079
>Hey, anon, take a look at Cover's financial report. They literally and publicly displayed how much on average they give their talents there.

They said their members can make well over $500K. But when they say "their members" they meant Marie, Suisei, Miko, Peko, Suba, Gura, maybe Korone and Fubuki can make over $500K. Those are the details these corpos be leaving out.

>>106059024
Going by Socialblade, Kson would've made at most $84K a year (not counting SC). In reality, she said on national TV that she made $670K a year
That's how much merch makes a difference

>>106059085
Obviously the doxxing potential, plus it kind of goes against what the main type of content for a vtuber is

>>106058872
kiara always wanted to be a successful idol and now she is, she's not going anywhere, especially when going indie wouldn't let her do half of what she does now.

>>106058839
>most members are lucky to make $200k a year.
in what world is this not a shitload of money? especially now that the yen is so bad. the holos are rich as fuck

>>106059170
That's not what they said. Again, look at the report. They didn't leave anything out. They put numbers out right there
That's $450K *on average*, including all talents (HoloJP, EN, ID, HoloStarsJP, EN). You know what *on average* meant?

>>106059094
Its more about loyalty to the fans rather than the company, but they should also be appreciative of the company as well for even giving them the opportunity to get that big

>>106059132
And you're a 0 IQ autistic wage cuck who has never worked a real job in his life and thinks he knows how a board of directors and shareholders operates

>>106059195
but then people already know who she is
know where she went to school
know hows she grow up
know about her family situation
know about her health problems
know about her entire career
seen her naked hands
there is nothing left to doxx

>>106058872
>>106059200
Kiara has one problem with hololive/cover, and it's that she wants a sololive but she won't get it.
At the same time, she can't get it anyway, so she won't leave.

There is ONE holoen member who looks leaving in the next future, and it would be Nerissa. Except that she moved to Japan, and you don't do that if you plan on quitting.

>>106059248
Not her current address.

>>106059113
I don't think the members are at liberty to say how much they make, so Lamy either meant something else, lied or didn't say such thing. Luckily we have sites like Social Blade and Playboard to calculate superchats. As for Merch, some anons on #s can pull up merch stocks and calculated based on that.

From what I heard, Nimi Nightmare made like $200K from all her merch sales this year, but of course the merch makers get a cut, so she probably kept around $120K of that. Based on that I assume Holomembers around her popularity level are also making around $100K-$150K from merch, maybe less as they also gotta give cover a cut.

>>106059200
Well plus Kiara doesn't really have a fallback in the vtuber scene since she doesn't have a background in it, which yes she does have her pl stuff but that was proven to not be popular from her attempt to solo carry a concert that failed

tl:dr Haato has been in hololive for six years and hasn't matured.

Matsuri should be around her age and doesn't do this

Shion who was YOUNGER, realized she wasn't adjusting well mentally over this and left

Ao who has bad mental health left

Mio, Lui, Korone, FBK, Botan,Marine even Perkora WOMEN do not have this problem they seldom complain about management and throw hissy fits when they don't get their way, a huge chunk of the JP graduates have been young the former OL have their shit together because they have business/ life experience.

for her home life situation, Aloe/Delutaya had it just as bad if not worse and pulled her self up even AFTER a suicide attempt.

I will not hear it from "fans", trolls, anti that the EBIL Corp and coworkers are at fault for this this is all on Haato. If she'd be responsible and just take her fucking meds at least half of her problems would improve.

>>106059259
>Except that she moved to Japan
What? She did? Thought she is only on a trip there?

>>106052001
>>Goes on a rant about the relationships/shipping between members, how some of it might be forced by management
fake and gay(faggot gay, not lesbian gay because yuri is pure). every holo girl is actually in a romantic relationship with another holo girl

>>106059248
Doesn't matter, its still about opsec and maintaining kayfabe

>>106059182
What year did she say that? Right now her social is $84K but at the height of her popularity, she probably was making more than that.

>>106059259
Kiara could probably threaten to quit if she wanted her sololive, and Nerissa is in a weird spot where she doesn't really have any major aspirations as far as i'm aware but never really had any issues with management or complaints

>>106059305
go headbutt a bullet, yurifag

>>106059294
She did, yeah. I forgot if she 100% hard confirmed it (I am not a jailbird) but I recall reading it.

>>106059211
Average means if you take Marine who makes $1M and Ollie who probably makes $80K a year, the average between them 2 is $540k each. Not the best way of finding out who makes what in Holo.

>>106059338
Shes just here for the paycheck, nothing weird about that

>>106059278
>I don't think the members are at liberty to say how much they make,
Lamy didn't say exactly how much she made, but she gave the range for her income tax (8 digits). You can reverse calculate her income from that (that's why the range was as large as $700K to $1.5M instead of something narrower)
>From what I heard, Nimi Nightmare made like $200K from all her merch sales this year, but of course the merch makers get a cut, so she probably kept around $120K of that. Based on that I assume Holomembers around her popularity level are also making around $100K-$150K from merch, maybe less as they also gotta give cover a cut.
That's one wrong assumption. Firstly, Nimi made it from one wave of merch. Not only Hololive members release many waves of merch a year (at least two big waves among those), but Nimi isn't on the same level as Holo anymore (especially not after the LLD).
For reference, IRyS's 2024 birthday limited merch set sold for $270K. That didn't include non-limited (which would likely at least double that number), and then there is anniversary merch which often sells for roughly the same as well.
I don't know why you are trying to be in denial when (1) Cover's legal document said how much they pay their talents and (2) we have Kson said - on JP national TV - that she made $670K a year (specific number, too, not just tax range like Lamy) and that was less than what she made as a Holo

>>106059285
Rushia also complained about bullies but you ignored her

>We swim against the current's aim
>In dark, we change as smoke returns to rain
>Navigating sunken depths and all of its debris
>And no more hands upon my words, they only speak for me
>For all the ones who try to silence thunder
>I'm the wave that pulls you down and under
>Every day, I'll stand with me, and I'll fight the drought of shallow sea
>As ships sail winds of jealousy, I'll listen carefully (Let it all burn down)

>>106059094
That works for every other job but most people expect idol shit and reaching some big goals which they'll never reach outside of holo. Quitting is the equivalent of not giving a shit about idol stuff.
This is one of the reasons why not that many people follow their new lives.

>>106059459
Probably because Rushia was the architect of her own downfall and only started thrashing out in anger when her termination was guaranteed

>>106059469
>one stream a week

>>106059248
>there is nothing left to doxx
There's a ton, you idiots really need to stop using the word "doxx" when certain things about Vtubers are known but others are not

unless her full name, date of birth, address, phone number etc. aren't out there the dumbass shit you listed does not count as a "doxx" not even with VTubers. Make up a new word for this shit

>>106059285
It's because she's menhera and made her life miserable for herself. She tried to have the best of all worlds and failed at all of them.

>>106059419
It kinda does, though. Not the exact amount, but as an estimation. I will be very surprised if the average HoloJP / EN member makes significant less than that average amount (since ID and Stars already dragged them down enough).
When even runts like RBC could buy a house in metro Tokyo, no way they aren't making a lot of money

>>106059459
I ignored Rushia because she was the goddamn bully, she was the definition of " X cries out in pain as it strikes you" She should've sorted her beef with management or legal but instead she went to Korekore and put everyone at risk.

>>106059469
You know that song was about antis, right?

>>106059504
after reading what the other anon wrote and then reading this i burst out laughing

>>106059459
The girls literally ganged up on Rushia and forced her out. No one wanted to collab with her and they always were mean to her in mandatory collabs. The moment she left, everyone began shit-talking her. It was likely literal hell for her.

>>106059459
I'd have listened if her reasoning wasn't "she kept overlapping my stream". There are only so many hours a JP streamer can comfortably stream in, girl

Haato graduation stream will be in her wedding dress
We will marry on stream

>>106059603
Rushia is and was a horrible person and deserves it

>>106059248
isn't that exactly why?
letting someone like that vlog is how you get REAL bad press incidents. if they think it might happen one in a thousand times they will pull the plug

>>106059419
Not only that but these number idiots forget conversion rates, while certain dumbasses are trying to deflated the dollar it's still stronger than the yen, and EN making a fraction of the most Popular JP is still in effect making just as much because of regional currency power, saying the IDs is "dragging it down" is dumb too as the same applies for them, one of them making a fraction of the Rupiah is living as confomrotably if not more than the EN or JP coworkers.

>>106059442
Was Lamy's range in Yen or Dollars?
Nimi's merch is more expensive than Holomerch. Her plushie is $60 while a Friends for U plushie is $25, Nimi's plushie is selling at more than double the price of Holo's plushies. So even if she sells less quantity, she's still making a lot.
100 $60 plushies = $6000
200 $25 plushies = $5000

The one in denial is you, we can check numbers, you can only site vague statements made by the company and talents who may not be telling you the whole story.

>>106054185
you trying to make this the struggle olympics is really just reinforcing the 'you know maybe hololive just sucks dicks and the talents would be better off somewhere else' thing

insider bro here, reports of blood coming out of hachaama’s apartment door.

>>106052001
based whistleblowerchama exposing a black company

>>106059561
It's not her fault Hololive was a toxic shithole and she had no one to confide in.

>>106059603
>The girls literally[made up bullshit]

>>106059557
Buying a house in metro Tokyo (or anywhere else) can be done if you save up a good amount after being in cover for several years. And some members have irl jobs or other side gigs that will obviously help them buy a house faster.

>>106059659
Yen. No way she had to pay 8 digits in dollars for tax.

>>106052129
Fpbp

>>106059659
>So even if she sells less quantity, she's still making a lot.
How expensive her merch is or how many units she sold doesn't matter because we know how much she got (well /#/fags calculated)
>you can only site vague statements made by the company
There is nothing vague when they gave explicit numbers, in a legal document that they could be sued for if they lied

>>106059644
She has the worst antis and has the worst of luck

>>106059715
That's true, but it's still expensive - not something you just do unnecessary without having a lot of money to spare (it's not like she didn't have a home before), and Holo members have only started making money for ~5 years.

Here is the VOD, please translate the juicy parts onegaishimasu https://gofile.io/d/vyvsGI

>>106059710
Watch streams cucksucker

>>106052129
FPBP

>>106059603
>>106059866
>No one wanted to collab with her
>Her yab started during a collab
???

doesnt watame get away with all the vlogging she wants by going in advance with her guest, having staff record a separate trip, then releasing the narrated video before anyone even knew who/when/where? source my ass but I could see that appeal to "muh risks" staff
I doubt she's a tippy-top earner or especially connected, they seem to just let her do whatever cause she's putting in so much effort.

>>106059834
Yeah, but you don't gotta pay the whole price of a house right away. You can get a mortgage and pay it off monthly. So even if you only got $200K in the bank, that's enough to make a down payment for a $600K house and then pay the rest off month by month for a span of 10 years or what ever. At least in America you can do it this way.

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>>106059939
Yeah, same with Azki

>>106060038
>Company is Black because i re-enabled popup notifications for my husband and blabbed about NDA shit to drama-channels
I agree Cover is turning to shit, but i wouldn't take the words of the schizo as incriminating or reliable evidence