https://files.catbox.moe/tm2bos.webm夢見てきた世界は全部潰されました。英語力も。マイクラの建築力も。歌も、曲も、動画編集技術も。くっ、頑張って作ったんだけどなあ。無料で。無給料で。人が動画依頼するのに十万とかかかるのを、私は無給料で、無料で動画作ってるんですけど。何この世界。もー、もうやってらんねえよぉ。全部、全部は話さないとキリがないよ。何も分かってもらえないんだから。本当のこと言うしかないじゃん。ねえねえねえ。ねえねえねえ。私もさ、もう四ヶ月ぐらい、あと半年ぐらい、もう無給なんですけど。ね、無給でさ、仕事させて、そっちはお金もらって、株とか、株とか買ってる?もしかして。株たくさん買った?最初のうちに。私まだ若かったから株とか買ってなかったんだよね"The world I dreamed of has been completely trampled upon. My English skills too. My Minecraft building skills too. My singing, my songs, my video editing skills too. Ugh and I worked so hard on them... And for free. Without pay. People pay like 100,000 yen for a video, but I'm making videos for free, without pay. What is this world? I just... I can't do this anymore. I can't possibly tell you everything. You wouldn't understand anyway. I have no choice but to tell the truth. Listen, listen, listen. I've been working unpaid for about four months, maybe half a year year or so now. Being made to work for no salary while they take the money. They're buying stocks, maybe? Did they buy a lot at the start? I was still young back then, so I didn’t buy any stock..."
>>106108848Black company
https://files.catbox.moe/dol4nu.webmたとえ辞めたいとしても、制作物があるから、って言われたりとか、そうやって未来の予定があるからって引き延ばしていく。なんかそれが変だなぁってずっと思ってましたEven if I wanted to quit, they'd say things like, "But we have projects you are tied to," or "We have future plans lined up," and keep dragging it out. I always thought that was pretty weird.
>>106108848>Hololive doesn't pay their artists >Hololive doesn't pay their talentsWho the fuck are they paying then?
>>106108848All companies are black companies
>>106108887>>106108954they allowed her to take an 8 month long break to sort her shit out and she only came out worse.
>>106108848Did she take a loan from Cover to pay for MVs and stuff? Why would they not pay her?
>takes another hiatus in you are of path
Hololive should be sued and dismantled.
>>106108848>>106108910https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1ojx7kv/haato_hasnt_been_paid_for_months/https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1ojx7kv/haato_hasnt_been_paid_for_months/nm6eiuv/>Laughed out of reddit>come to vtlmao
>>106109027How do you know this? Unless...
>>106108848her complaints fell flat when her big shiny example of "preferential treatment" was>i heard tanigo found out murasaki-san was a high school dropout and he gave her additional sponsorships as a way to help her out>tch such preferential treatment>dunno if it's true or not lmao
Wheres the Jannies when you need them?
>>106109011That sounds super shitty though, they lend her a bunch of money so she can do literally her job, then take 100% of her earnings until she pays it back? They should like half at max, is taking all the wage like that even legal? lol
>>106108848>>106108910Bullshit. Chloe and Shion both were able to leave despite holowitches being ongoing. We had 4 members of EN graduate between chapters of ENReco. Ao had to be pressed to take her hiatus instead of taking part in the mini live.The only thing that being tied to projects could possibly do is affect when she could graduate, not if. You do know a lot of the general projects are ones the members choose to do right?
>>106109027>Go to Holodrone dramafag subreddit >They start seething when factual information about Kurolive gets exposed Kurosanji dramafag vermin of course ignore anything that isn't Niji. Go back to your hugbox reddit
>>106109111Goonin.
>>106109066I didn't get the impression she was complaining about favoritism and just responding to some chat bullshit. Her major complaints seems to be alienation and working without pay when it comes to Cover and most of her breakdown was over her family.
>>106108848So Hachaama has been a retard both financially and career-wise and this is Covers fault somehow?
>>106109123Of course she can leave if she wants to, they just make excuses and lie to her to try and make her stay, and she's falling for it.
>>106109125the nijinigger shrieks in horror upon being found out
>>106109011Probably, Bae didn't get paid after her MV to pay back the loan, so maybe Haachama took a big fat advance and is now paying it back.Or she has no fucking idea what's going on and is having a schizo episode, so people shouldn't make wild assumptions about the whole situation.
>>106109131>alienationYeah when you ghost on your coworkers for stupid bullshit and barely speak to or interact with them that tends to happen.
>>106109171it is so funny to hear artists, authors etc complain about advances, genuine retards that just want free money for nothing
>>106109027>argentina poster>nijisisterlmao
>>106109164>The dramafag redditard cries as he runs away
>>106109131i remember flare mentioning how she wanted to bring karashi back but haachama wouldn't respond.
>>106108848Op you're a nigger, you dont watch streams you dont care about vtubers you're here to dramafag, you got laughed at by reddit and thought people would agree with you here, you should kill yourself honestly, you're pathetic and no one would miss you
>>106109011She was also in hospital for a long time, there is a good chance she had to borrow money, and since Cover is offering the girls interest free loans she might have to pay it back through work now.Since Hololive members are "self employed" they have to pay upfront for medical treatment and then ask their insurance to reimburse them later, which can take some time. It works the same way in most EU nations.
>>106109211people tend to ghost mentally ill persons
>>106109027>arslollmao
Why are vtubing companies going broke all of a sudden?
Holy shit. These redditfags really don't like it when you point out that Kurolive is abusive and harming Haachama
>>106109265Japan doesn't have shit healthcare like the USA, there's no such a thing as paying back the hospital lmao
>>106109257NTA, I watched 7 hours (!) of her karaoke stream and most of her nanoblocks one. Haachama is a good girl. Hololive should take better care of her.
Honestly the biggest thing I can take from this is how fast holodrones turn against their own talents when they actually need support. Bootlicking the company at its finest.
>>106109248>>106109291Arsnigger...
>>106109278>that listReminder that stereotypes exist for a reason.
>>106109123hmm....
>>106109331>copy pastes reddit thread>gets surprised when he gets copy pasted reddit replies
>>106109312Anything to protect the reputation of the company. Public image and agendas are the most important thing
>>106109331embarrassing
>>106109291I genuinely don't like that you thirdies are allowed on 4chan now.
>>106109331nijisisters really came running to vt after being laughed out of reddit
>>106108910>>106109331yeah
>>106109306Self employed people in Japan have to pay upfront, their health insurance will then reimburse them.It works the same way here in Germany. (I'm self employed)Only employees with the state mandated insurers get the cost paid directly by the insurance.They DO pay you the money, but sometimes they try to fleece you, especially when it comes to mental health stuff.
>>106109331>Haachama speaks clear as day that they don't let people graduate when they want>Holodrones on Reddit: "Nuh uh, they let people leave when Minecraft was happening"I can't believe Holodrones are actually this stupid. Go back to plebbit, you're making everyone significantly more retarded by posting here
Geoblock of Korea and indonesia when?
>>106109428Straight after burgerland ideally
Jesus fucking christ
No upvotes for you buddy LMAO
>>106108848>>106109027>Gets laughed off the reddit drama subreddit>Actually has people taking him seriously herePretty much tells you everything you need to know about this place
>>106109027>>106108848lmao a fucking chinese redittor mistranslating retard
>>106109464What am I supposed to be looking at here? I can't understand Poortuguese.
>leddit>nijisisters>phasekucks>fake translations>ai slopWhy are holobronies so pathetic?
>>106109060zoomers these days dont even know how to search text on google huh
I just want to hump Haachama's tits, how much to make that happen?
Upvote this post if you think Haachama is gone before 2025
China
https://yutura.net/news/archives/144226/2Oh no no no
>>106109464>argentinian sperg>post history consists of whining about hololive and stanning nijisanji
>>106108848
>>106109111Jannies are all phasetroons, they deliberately leave threads like these up
>>106109428>>106109464Argentina first
>>106109535As you can see, they lack the mental capacity to argue so they resort to obsessing over avoiding an argument in the first place. Notice how their best argument for why Haachama was lying is because people graduated mid Minecraft
>>106109573>2024
>>106109504>peoplearsmonkeys are not people
>>106109622i don't think haachama was deliberately lying but she's stupid because it's true that chloe and shion could leave with no issues and ao was told to take a break despite having concerts and events with regloss.
>>106109535The nijisister shrieks in horror upon being found out
>>106109587>turns out it's a fucking homostar and homoniji faggot to boot
>>106108848imagine having a midlife crisis at 23woman moment
>>106109531the face of nijisisters
Is she actually 23? I don't think so, most women lie about their age, she must be ancient and that's what's hurting her too
>>106109648Chloe and Shion left after having to wait for months. Ao having to take a break is not graduating. Haachama made it clear that she wanted to graduate but they made it so she couldn't
>>106109622Did you miss the holowitches part?I'll link it to you, tell me if you can recognize the ones who graduated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHY0bh2q9HE
>decide to check for myself>open deepl>its giving a similar translationuh..what the fuck do you guys mean mistranslation?
>>106109698how fucking new
>>106108848>>106109278>argentina redittor lying tranny
>>106109464>nijisister>hates "idol culture" and hololive>several going on about how great male vtubers are
>>106109027godpeed anon fuck antis
>>106109712It's not mistranslated, the cope is that Hololive is taking all her money because she took loans.
>>106109712This is a reddit thread, please ignore the future to be gone hololive member and have fun
>>106109573This poor girl has some issues.
>>106109712>use DeepL>wonder why you get a mistranslation:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:
>>106108988she was in a mental hospital in japanshe was probably tortured
>>106109712That's the retarded part. An obvious counter argument would be she was clearly (for anyone who watched) not in her right mind in that stream.But that's too complex for SEA monkeys so they keep screeching "fake".
>>106109709>Chloe's graduation was literally a plot point in the project >Shion's graduation had to be set up months in advance This doesn't help your case, retard
>>106109793but arsmonkies are the ones pushing it tho?
>>106109792>she was probably tortured
>>106109793That was the first retort given ITT though? >>106109154
>>106109833the arsmonkey can only reply to herself please understand
well she isn't saying anything new, but still fucked up they are not paying them fixed salaries. there's no way this shit would legally fly in most first world counties.
>>106109712They're coping.
Do you think they will force her to apologize or will they fire her instead?
>>106109881the nijisister runs away upon being called out
>>106109712uhhh REDDIT REDDIT SOOOYY ONIONS ONIONS
>>106109123I don't think Haachama is mature enough like Shion was. Shion just did nothing unless it was obligated until Hololive had enough and let her go. Shion also had more friends that would support her.
>>106109802>when I make shit upSo Shion could graduate even if she was in the project. Ok, thank you.
>>106109833Wrong, the first retort was 'b-but reddit'. All according to the list >>106109535
>>106109891They fired Mel and Rushia for less
>>106109793Chammers “not being in her right mind” is just the average day, this was just an exceptionally emotional tangent. It’s a woman moment personified.
>confirmed nijihomo
>>106108848>>106108910Uh oh, kurolive rrats are alive and real
>>106109924That's not a retort, that's just exposing a shitposter.
>>106109879>but still fucked up they are not paying them fixed salariesHow newfag are you?
>>106108848Ran the video clip while I had a speech-to-text translator running so even if you don't believe the OP's text that he posted, do you also not believe what she is saying in the video clip?Or do you believe that the video is something created by AI and not her own words?
>>106109917>Being purposely ignorant like Shion's graduation wasn't leaked months before it happened and how she said she spent months preparing for it Rope yourself, holofag
>>106109924See I told you it shrieks when it gets called out
>>106109957I've been watching since gen3. how about you?
>>106109945I’d say>every single timebut that has recently been more applicable to phasefags stirring up shit.
>>106109975>It's a Sukikira trannyHAH, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>106109808Yep, it's retarded monkeys flinging shit at each other. Both sides, nothing new here.
>>106109975Could she graduate while in the middle of a project or not?You do know the holowitches project is still ongoing, right?
>>106109989Then you should know their salaries are not fixed due to the nature of their earning.
>>106108848>Borrow money for your projects>They deduct what you borrowed from the payment>The scheme is widely known and used often by Holo membersI don't see any problem with it
>>106110045the only thing I know is that arsniggers are barking again
>>106110045Meant for >>106110004
I am confused. Is Haachama lying about being denied pay and graduation or did the Argentine Nijiister make her say that? Why did it take a Nijisister for me to finally find actual clips of what everyone has been saying she said for days but refused to post? Why the cover-up and deflection if this is all so negligible?
>>106110015Stop being a purposely dense retard. Chloe's graduation was fucking written into the project before it even happened and Shion said she spent months working to even graduate. Their part of the projects were finishedhttps://x.com/holoWitches/status/1899294457192763756
>>106110078Have you considered not being a nijinigger?
>>106110064I wish I could take a 0 interest loan.
>>106110015It's a dick move quitting in the middle of a project, but nobody can force you to keep working for them, we're no slaves, how would you enforce forcing someone to stay?
>>106110078I think it's a case of Chammers not understanding how loans work. See also >>106109066, she just seems to be losing it
>>106110078>negligibleNijinigger detected
>>106109959So not only you didn't translate it yourself, but you relied on a speech to text tool to transcribe it? You know how unreliable that sounds?Anyway, even if it was accurate, what she said either wasn't wrong (the payment scheme), or rather inconsistent compared to other cases (how she claimed that they didn't let her quit). That doesn't really help
>>106110064>lend your talent money so they can pay for MVs>MVs that you own and profit fromYeah, no problem here, move on. The fact that it is widely known doesn't make it any less shitty.
>>106110045>>106110069are you retarded or something. I'm saying it should changed so they are at least making a fixed salary every month on top of the other earnings, you mongolian cretin.
>>106110135How is it shitty?
>>106110078She wasn't lying about Cover didn't pay her, because she borrowed money from them for their projects like many other girls did. Plenty of anons already explained that ITT or even long before Chammer's meltdown
>>106110064>Company charges you money for trying to make the company money meaning that some people don't get paid for months Sounds like a debt bondage scheme
>>106109932>for lessMel, maybe, who knows. But Adding Rushia to this is an insane take.
>>106110149And if you actually were that old you should know that they do get a fixed stipend that is around less than minimum salary.
>>106110100Is that why they had to get new members to fill the missing graduated members?
>>106110195All Rushia did was prove that she lived on her own to someone and complained about workplace bullying privately. Haachama did it all on stream
>>106110182But they do, the debt is paid with their BASE wage but the money they earn with merch superchats sponsors etc that's still theirsAnd with a 30-50% cut, by the way, not 2%.
>>106110166What would happen to said projects that she paid for if she gets terminated?
>>106110135Personal projects are optional. Cover didn't need to do those MVs and talents don't need those MVs to do their work either. Moreover, talents themselves profit from them, too. If a talent don't want that, they can just use their own money - it's not like the loan is mandatory (in fact, it helps talents since they can avoid some taxes that way).
>>106110234She literally debunked that herself
>>106110178That sounds kind of messed up. I bet the managers encourage them too. Borrow it from the bank or just accept there are projects you will never have.
She's off her meds anyway so you shouldn't take everything she said at face value. She's delusional enough to think there are people outside her house trying to hunt her down and kill her like she's got some kind of hit against her.
>>106110241Cover eats the loss on their investmentIt's the same risk that comes with every loan
cover is not going to let her quit or fire her because thats is what she wants but she's never streaming again until the end of her contractthats for sure
>>106109027Wow, I can't believe the Nijianti subreddit that was totally not made by holobronies and probably has more (positive) posts about Hololive than ones about Nijisanji at this point would react like that to a topic that is unfavorable to Hololive.
>>106108923Mori and Sui only. Everyone else has to pay the company as is japanese tradition.
>>106110182yeah because you described something completely different from what is stated
>>106110182>Make moneyMany talents have said that covers in general don't make much money and they are just personal passion projects.
>>106110127It's accurate enough for two different translator apps, what the OP used and what I used, to come up with the same result. Would you feel better if I ran it through another 3-4 translator programs to see if the consistency continues?At this point I don't think its the accuracy that should be questioned, it's more about if what Haachama is saying herself is truthful or if it is truly a bad thing.
Gonna be funny watching holobronies once again act as if nothing happened when she gets fired.
>>106110273Cover is not eating the loss. She is eating it, not getting paid for half a year already. And for all the previous ones already fully paid as well.
>>106110325>>106110288see I told you it's nijiniggers
boohooo artist not getting paidwelcome to the real world, bitch, enjoy your stay, it fucking sucks
>>106110333yeah because cover totally doesn't make a loss on a loanDo you understand what a loan is or is argentina so completely bankrupt that it doesn't apply anymore?
>>106110266>just accept there are projects you will never have.On average, Cover pays their talents $450K a year. They aren't lacking money for their personal projects if they want to use their own. The loan is the preferable option though since it allows talents to save a lot of money otherwise
>>106110237Haachama literally just said she hasn't been paid in months, retard
>>106110379she hasn't worked in months either
"She's paying debts" sounds like a huge cope.100k yen is $648.68, how small is her pay that it all goes to shit like that? for 4 to 6 months? She has to be earning basically nothing.Let's say the commissioned 5 videos at $700 and took a loan from Cover of 3245.You're telling she doesn't earn enough to pay that shit in several months? Come on.
>>106110361I am assuming half a fucking year of her income has paid it off already. If not, then yes - they will lose some, still less than her. And it's still a shitty practice.
>>106110266Giving away money without any plans of return is how Vshojo ended up the way it did
>>106110319>programsNo, I would like someone who can speaks and understands Japanese to transcribe, proofread & translate it.Still, you are somewhat right, it doesn't matter since as I said>Anyway, even if it was accurate, what she said either wasn't wrong (the payment scheme), or rather inconsistent compared to other cases (how she claimed that they didn't let her quit). That doesn't really help
>>106110410>Giving 0 interest loans is a shitty practiceAND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJINIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
last time I saw a mentally ill girl who swore Cover and its talents were evil was with Mikenekosorry haachama, I don't trust people who skip their meds
>It's not happening>Okay, it's happening but it's not a big deal>Actually, it's a good thing that it's happening>People acting like it's a big deal are the real problem
>>106110443The nijinigger cries out in pain as it hits you
>>106110379Listen to what I said.When, per example Towa said that she wasn't going to be paid in months for the expenses of her Sololive, you think it means she's not going to earn any money and starve? Of course fucking not. Her base wage, you know, the shit given to her by law, is going to be deducted, but she'll earn money through everything else! That's how Myth talents bought their houses while building whatever project they have, it's not a difficult thing to think about
>>106110423>Hire a worker to dig a trench>Even give him a 0 interest loan to buy a shovel
>>106108848Bae and Towa have also talked and tweeted about having to pay debts for projects but they weren't complaining about it as if they were getting scammed since they understood they were taking a loan. Honestly during that entire stream it sounded like she has a terribly skewed read on both how the world works and how she is perceived, most likely due to her traumatic childhood.She said how she felt tossed aside in holoGTA but she was literally ignoring Pekora and Towa and the gang when they tried to include her in the tutorial the first 2 days, Shion randomly caught strays because supposedly Yagoo wanted to help her out by giving her extra sponsorships, she ghosts everyone that wants to hang out with her, she travelled with Roboco and Raden like 2 days ago, she claims "everyone went to Disney World except her" when referring to a thing in like 2019 where Sora, Ayame, Shion and Aqua also didn't go, she said "people graduated because management doesn't care about those who feel lonely" or something like that when most graduations were supposedly due to disagreements with management or due to health reasons.That woman genuinely and unironically needs to take her strongest meds. It goes beyond what dramaniggers here or on twitter are trying to say and twist in order to keep their little console wars going, she is unironically sick in the head and there's only so much an entertainment company can realistically do about it.
>>106110416OPs post is correct word to word although I wouldn't put much trust in words from a diagnosed schizo off her medst. not EOP
>>106110484>Hire a worker to dig a trench>He wants to buy an excavator to make his job easier>Give him a loan to make the purchaseAnd this is bad somehow
>>106108923a handful of the top talents and the suits get paidThey've been trying to do this since HLZNTLDuring that they got paid 20 million2.5 million went to talents, they pocketed all of the rest of itHLZNTL got enough of a backlash that they stopped it but they've been trying to boil the frog since then
>>106110266Why do you want the girls to lose money exactly? Borrowing from a bank involves way more taxes and interest.
>>106110517it's no use trying to speak to nijisisters and indies who will find any excuse to shit on hololive
>>106110462And Haachama flat out said she hasn't gotten any money from the company in months
>>106110517>Wait until the loan is paid>Fire the worker>Keep (or wreck) the excavator Nothing wrong here
>>106110325>VAllurefagYou're gross, man.
>>106110490Haachama isolating herself from the rest is something even anons have noticed before. See picrel and >>106109625This woman is her own worst enemy, but that's what happens when your dad says "i wanted a boy and your mom aborted your would-be brother, i fucking hate you".
Why should we trust Haachama when she's obviously hanging around with Kson?
>>106110416>No, I would like someone who can speaks and understands Japanese to transcribe, proofread & translate it.I understand, sadly I think most of the people who are capable of that are purposefully ignoring this as they want to hide the contents of this stream, either to protect Haachama or Cover.Alot of the capable translators see this 7 hour stream as some form of Pandora's Box that must be hidden and buried away and forever become lost media.
>>106110399Not only is the cope bad because it still sounds scummy but it's also completely bullshit when you think about it for more than a second
>>106110533I think it will discourage most to take loans for projects that will never be profitable.
You'd think basement dwellers on 4chan know what it's like to be surrounded by people and still feel lonely
>>106110399>5 videos at $700No way you get 5 animated covers like that at $700 (with animations, mixing and all stuffs involved). You should be looking at several thousands or even a few tens of thousands each.For example, according to IRyS, her omajinai cover (simple animation, short cover - 1:58) cost her in the $30K range
Imagine being a retarded orpo worshipper who hates the streamers themselves and only cares about jacking off the management.
>>106108923Talents can take out loans to work on projects, which frankly is about one of the most retarded things hololive could do, because bow they are a weird sort of bank for the girls. Its not a good dynamic or look.
>>106109027the translation is slightly different in the op. its not the redditor
>>106110637Oh I'm sorry is your psyops not taking off like you expected it would?
>>106110611They don't do those to make a profit, they do it for the fans.
It's always been a sticking point for me how very few girls do cool solo projects because doing so gives them a shitload of debt. Guess nothing will change in that respect.
How "Holofans" have been handling this is incredible.They didn't doubt for a second to turn on Haato and white knight for the corpo lmao.
>>106110572This part is too complex for holobronies to process. Please tell down.
>>106110704the fuck are you talking about, holos do an extreme amount of solo projects precisely because they have cover to help finance all that shitdo you think people like bae and roboco would be able to put out albums solely off their own income?
>>106108848>Argentinians are phase fagsAnother example how that company only attack brown people.
>>106110704holy fucking retard
>>106110739They are putting them out solely off their own income though. Cover's loan just alters the timing.
>>106110650>financing holo projects is bad nowArsmonkies...
>>106110572NTA, but a better example would be>Hire worker to dig a lake>He wants to dig a trench connected to it and wants tool for that>This trench doesn't really benefit you much, but hey, let's be nce, help him and give him a tax-free, interest-free loan>...>He got fired for whatever reason after paying money back>You fill the trench back in (graduated members' channels are demonetized)Yeah, nothing wrong there
>>106110773Yeah they can just totally approach the bank and get a 2 year loanretard
>>106110702Don't borrow money for the fans, a lot of them are casuals that will leave when the algorithm stops recommending you, the other half will kick you when you are down at the first hint of a bf. Also Cover still gets promoted through your project. Stream for the fans, give them ASMR, play with them, draw for them, don't borrow money for them.
>>106110712>nijis try to stir shit and fail>aaah why are you betraying herYou have literally not once in your life cared for a vtuber.
>>106110773Actually, no, Cover loans effectively save them some money since they are tax-free. The more they borrowed, the more they save (although it will take longer to pay back ofc)
>>106110829Yeah, you go tell them that.Also tell them to do react content too.
>>106110574>everyone who ever saved a reaction image from 4chan is the same personGood luck on your therapy.
>>106110829Nijiniggers literally cannot comprehend the dynamic holos have with their fans
she should just grab a knife and stab her parents
>>106110800>Talents doing the projects you hired them to do doesn't benefit you at allHolokiddies actually think this
>>106110800>doesn't really benefit you muchTheir talent popularity doesn't benefit them much? Are you sure? Did Marine's MVs not benefit them much?
>>106110712You know, it's pretty funny because there is a perfect balance between>Haachama should not be terminated and she should take her medicineand>You're not going to make a repeat of the Fauna graduation shitAnd this apparently hurts you so much that you have spammed the catalog with actual Reddit posts
>>106110871funny that sounds just like what a seething vallurecuck would say
>>106110712See >>106110490
>>106110889
>>106108848>doesn't pay artists until they're forced to by a Japanese court>doesn't pay talents
>>106110882they didn't hire them to pump out MVs tho?
>>106110978That is part of their job tho
You'd think south americans, koreans and indonesians would have some empathy for someone with actual mental illness. I mean they should have plenty of first-hand experiences of what that's like.
>>106110182It's only in kuro corpos where putting in the effort to create content and expand the brand, to benefit the company, results in major debt.>b-but it doesn't make moneyDoesn't matter. You get the keep the tools you buy as a contractor, meanwhile hololive keeps the IP and all your hard work is squandered while they continue to make merch of you.No wonder the dominoes are falling and everyone is running away. The only thing keeping them in line is the numbers.
>>106110995no it isn't, their job is to >Stream>participate in holofes>Shilleverything outside of that is their own personal project and needs to be separately financed
>>106110953Didn’t the artists say they were getting paid though?
>>106110835You've never cared for a vtuber anon, no one who cares more about a company than the streamer does. Hell, why are randomly bringing up nijisanji, are you that console war hungry you need to start bringing up random corpos, or are you coping that someone can dare have criticism of the corpo you worship and need to start spoutning nijisister this, phase cuck that, idolfag, etc. If you gave a fuck about the streamers you wouldn't abandon them the second they imply something negative about their former/current corpos or make a new account after they leave. You all are retards, vtuber fans are just complete scum nowadays that don't give a fuck about the streamers they sub to, just what company whey work for. Fucking pathetic, all of you.
>>106111036What are they going to do, just give everyone a million dollars to pursue every MV they want to release?
>>106111039Thanks for the clarification, intern-kun
>>106111071funny that sounds just like what a seething nijinigger would say
>>106111055What parallel universe did you wake up in? Several artists got the government on their ass for not paying them
>>106111055The artists said they were getting paid better than in other companies, yesCover were the ones that reported themselves before the law even passed, yes.And it ended on a hilarious note because by the beginning of 2025 artists flamed Nijisanji's black ass for not paying them, neither the corrections nor in general.
>>106111099no several artists came out and said they were paying them and the government was just looking for an example
>>106110978>>106110995That sounds like a pyramid scheme, "you have to pay for the videos that you're required to do for you job, but don't worry we loan you the money for it, oh and on top of paying us the loan back we also take a cut of the earnings."
>>106111076There's a balance between the two extremes, but yes, ideally you'd want to finance projects related to your company and brand.
>>106110883Yes. Talents already said it, covers don't really make much money. Whether that does or doesn't apply to Marine's MVs, IDK (since Marine's songs usually gets tens of millions views), but I'm pretty sure Haachama's covers are more in line with average Holo member's covers instead of Marine's. Now you might argue about opportunity cost from their popularity, but no one can tell you how much or little a cover contribute to a talent's popularity so it's a moot point.Again, if they didn't want to take a loan, they don't have to. Heck, they don't even have to upload their personal projects on their official channels. It's their choice.>>106110882Cover didn't hire them to do covers. That's why those are *personal* projects and not official projects. Cover does pay everything when it comes to official projects, but in that case, they have much more controls over the products (i.e: see IRyS's music during her Project:Hope era)
The sad reality is that schizophrenia tend to develop around her age but as a jap she will never admit it
>>106111135>you're required to do for you jobbut it isn't
>>106111076Nope, give everyone a more reasonable sum to spend on their projects.
>>106111146and this is the balance they came up with, they give holos a minimum budget, but if they want to do anything fancy that they can't cover they can apply for a loan.
>>106111071Dramanigger says what?
>>106111183That's what V-Shojo did and they're fucking dead, the "I would just give my oshi everything they need" mentality has killed dozens of companies
>>106110995>>106111135They aren't required to pump out covers, what are you talking about? They aren't required to do covers or even any personal music at all
>>106111183They already do that, it just doesn't go very far when you want to hire 5+ people minimum for a song
>>106111201If the minimum balance only gives you a chance to shit out some minor projects, then it's not good enough and it's losing them talents because of the expectations to produce content outside of the bare minimum.
>>106111132Proof?
>>106111133>The artists who weren't the ones getting scammed and reporting Hololive to the government were licking some boots to look goodHmmm
>>106111264it's sounds like you're going right back to blaming cover for not giving a million dollars to every holo
>>106111183They do give everyone a set allowance for their projects, though (a thousand or two IIRC). Noel said it. It's just that that was too little if they want anything of good quality - but again, that's optional
>>106111146>ideally you'd want to finance projects related to your company and brand.But they do though, Holofes, holoexpo, and all the official holo projects are financed by the company
>>106111218But they are, because that's what the fans expect of them these days>>106111334>that was too little if they want anything of good qualitywell there's your problem
>>106111369That's why they have the loans anon, try and keep up
>>106111314There's a middle ground between a million dollars and 'not enough for anything of good quality', you know?
I remember when people would bitch about Nijisanji not shelling out money on their talents personal projects that the talents have full control over. Hololive instead has them work for free for months if they want Hololive to pay for a project and this was said to be the superior way to handle that. It's a fucking pyramid scheme, they don't even pay the artists working on these projects either
>>106111369>But they are, because that's what the fans expect of them these daysNo? People still watch Biboo even if her last cover was ages ago, same thing with FWMC or the talents at ID or like, everyone that isn't explicitly considered a music-oriented HoloYou're working with a misconception of what Hololive is, what the Holo talents want, and what the Holofans want.
>>106111421Because cover would go bankrupt if that fixed sum was, say, 3x as large?
>>106111429and that middle ground is the loans because they cannot afford to give everyone unlimited money to pursue whatever projects they want
>>106111470No, that is not a middle ground, that is putting all the costs on your talent.
>>106111314I'm not the one losing talents faster than my brand is growing, Cover is. It's their problem and one they made for themselves by allowing their talents to take on debt for company projects.>b-but they're individual personal projectsSee below >>106111341>implying every vtuber IP they own and all the content produced under that IP, isn't part of their brand and companyMaybe they should give the IPs to their talents after all, if we follow your logic.
>>1061114653x as large still wouldn't be enough to make anything of decent quality, which is the whole problem. You need at minimum 30k to make a "decent" MV, and that's almost 15 times their current budget
>>106111369Not really? I don't expect anything from my oshi outside of being interesting. Or are we going to rate Holo members based on their rate of releasing music now?
>>106111507You are arguing with retarded fanatics. Relax, anon, they won't get it anyway.
>>106111507yeah, the costs of talent pursued projects should be paid for by the talent, sounds good to me
https://files.catbox.moe/6f3wpt.webm私もう辞させられるかもしれないんで、手とか出しちゃいますI might get forced to quit, so I'll just go ahead and show my hands.>She knows
>>106111583Chamers is as good as gone...
>>106111547Look are you just bitching that Cover isn't following vshojo's business plan? Because it sounds an awful lot like that's what you want
>>106108848Not paying their employees and/or the people that work for them, even contractually, is the standard modus operandi of CoverIt's company policy and also part of the contract that Cover is free to rescind their earnings/payment any time they wantTLDR: a day ending in Y for a black company
>>106111547can you point out exactly where it's stated the other graduates left because of the debt situation?
>>106111549Fine, 15x. Would that make cover go bankrupt?>>106111581The profits from those projects should also go to talent only then, right?
>>106111465If you want "decent" quality, you are looking at something around $15K - $30K (going by IRyS's omajinai cover). Cover has 80+ talents, that's$1.2M - $2.4M in total if all of them release only one song. On a quick lookup, Cover's profit in Q1 2025 (ended in June 2025) was "only" $4.5M. You see how unfeasible it is to give away that for free now?
>>106108848>Cover not paying their employeesHow is this even a problem? They "supposedly" spent like 3 gajillion on HoloEarth
>>106111633This is why instead of sending money to cover people should just either donate to the girls other streaming accounts, or sub to their fantia's. Almost every hololive member has a way to send money to them without giving covercorp a cent, so do it. It does suck for ones like haato and suisei who don't have alternatives to support them with though.
>>106111691>Fine, 15x. Would that make cover go bankrupt? it's how vshojo went bankrupt so yeah probably
>>106111583Watch people ask for professional translators and needing to run this through 5 ai translators to understand it.
>>106111285>>106111133>The artists said they were getting paid better than in other companies, yesApparently they were bootlickers or something>Cover were the ones that reported themselves before the law even passed, yes.The law was supposed to be passed in November, Cover did the corrections before it did and reported themselves even if they didn't had to (>>106111633)And you and I know that Niji had a subcontractor problem a hundred times worse, you're just playing retard.
>>106111610Cover should follow a business plan that doesn't follow the logic of debt bondage.If a talent wants to make content, and as a result, benefit the company, they should saddle their talents with debt.If it doesn't benefit the company or if it's overbudget, then that's another story. It's a "no, we can't do this" conversation.
>>106111583Is showing hands really against some rule?
>>106108988They allowed her to be tortured in a psych ward for a month and no one gave a damn. And when she came back Pekora leached off of her for numbers and now wouldn't even pretend she exists.
>>106111721No.They are not just giving it away, it's an investment in their talent. And they can cleary afford it it's less then half of their profits for one (and not the most profitable) quarter.
>your oshi is being forced and probably had been eating pagpag out of the trash for monthshow do you feel about this, /vt/?
>>106111815Yes. Showing naked hands is (gloved hands are fne). It's a relatively new rule this year to protect their privacy
>>106111882>being forcedforced to work unreasonable hours*
>>106111878>They are not just giving it awayUnder the scheme you propose, they will bemost of those projects don't make a profit, they are passion projects for a reason
>>106111787What artists said Nijisanji didn't pay them in 2025?
>>106111878That goes back to the question - how much do covers benefit the talents? As far as we know, from talents themselves, very little. Popularity-wise? No one knows.>And they can cleary afford it it's less then half of their profits for one (and not the most profitable) quarter.Yeah, because every talents only release one cover per year. Oh wait, there are talents who released dozen and there are those released only one or two. If you make it as low as two covers each on average, they'd already have almost no profit. Do you think all those studios and 3D equipment pop out of thin air?
>>106109017then sue them :DDDDD
>>106111940Those passion projects reduce the chance of talent going schizo on stream at the very least. And you never know which one would make a profit, what if one of them can make a new loli kami at random.
>>106111815I took her saying that fans made that rule. Not that it was an actual rule.
>>106112056nigger if the lack of covers is causing holos to go schizo on stream there'd be alot more schizoing going on right nowNot to mention most covers by their nature cannot be monetized due to the licensing agreement so even if a holo does make a super viral cover they'll just get paid in exposure
>>106112052Suing Hololive under civil court is extremely expensive for the laymanThe criminal court would be far cheaper
>>106112009Not advocating paying for every possible project here, just give them some budget to work with. That is not a complete joke. What's the point of this fixed sum if you can't do fuck all with it?
>>106112123Covers are just one type of projects, retard.
>>106112148then we go right back to the original question that the loan scheme is intended to address>How should we determine whose projects get funded and whose don't, considering that most covers do not in fact make a RoI
>>106112056There has a grand total of one (1) talent who went schizo on stream. Said talent also has a history of mental health issue, got hospitalized, and specifically said that she wasn't taking her meds while being triggered by antis.So.... yeah, I think Cover can take the chance>what if one of them can make a new loli kami at randomA cover isn't the same as an original song because you have to share a big part of the profit with the original song owner through contentID. You know that, right?
>>106112148> What's the point of this fixed sum if you can't do fuck all with it?You can. It will just be a poor slide-show with minimal to no professional mixing kind of projects like countless covers aroundAnd what other anon said - then you go back to "which project should and shouldn't get those fundings" which opens a big can of worms
>>106112214>(1) talent who went schizo on streamThis month. Bae has been having breakdowns on the regular, IDs bitch about funding all the time.>A cover isn't the same as an original songThis whole thing applies to original songs as well. You know that, right?
>>106112350>Bae has been having breakdowns on the regular,Not over funding issues>IDs bitch about funding all the timeNo they don't, in particular Moona loves the scheme because it allows her to do stuff she otherwise would never be able to
>>106112336And their talent making poor slide-shows with minimal to no professional mixing is of course a great image for Cover.
>>106112350>Bae has been having breakdowns on the regularPlease god let it happen....
>>106112385>Not over funding issuesShe doesn't specify usually>Moona loves the schemeAnd is the one complaining about not having money because of it the most.
>>106112350>Bae has been having breakdowns on the regular,QRD?
>>106112439yeah, exactly, so why are you even bringing her up like it's at all relevant to what haachama is going through?
>>106112440ptsd over Fauna backstabbing her for her boyfriend's cock
>>106108848Atleast 3 different chick's in this company have tried to kill themselves and yet people will still defend it. Corpo worshippers are awful man.
>>106108923>Haachama>talent
>>106110593good point
>>106112512nijinigger projection
>>106111815It is, but not enough to get a termination.
>>106112487Should've known the game was rigged from the start
>>106112350Bae didn't breakdown because she had to pay money back for her loans. Neither did IDs. There are significant differences between "complaining" and breaking down. >This whole thing applies to original songs as well. You know that, right?Yes, I was talking about covers since that was the case for Haachama and you were talking about it. If we include original songs / personal projects in general, that will justify it even further because you will be looking at much bigger amount of fundings required. *Hoping* for one or two loli-kami isn't going to make it
>>106112471I'd guess not being paid for months because of cover loans is a cause of stress for every talent who does that. Might be wrong, maybe that's their favorite part of the job.
>>106112594almost as if it's not true
>>106112512Who seriously tried to kill themselves while being *in* the company?(Don't tell me Rushia or Aloe because they did it after they were out)
>>106109312it was especially obvious and painful to read in haachama world that day. not that i expected much but as an early haaton i have to say holobronies are cruel fucking monsters and talents genuinely don't need enemies when they have "fans" like these
>>106112541Mano aloe, rushia, ollie, hell I think one of the ends tried to kill themselves to. Fuck off with your retarded console warring, no one gives a fuck about your retarded bullshit, how about you give a fuck about the streamers instead of these dogshit corpos. God I hope someone just starts stabbing yagoo, riku, norio, sakana and all the fucks running these corpos so you fags finally kill yourselves.
>>106112642Funny that sounds just like what a seething nijinigger would say
>>106112545It was though, the guy who leaked aqua and shions graduations said its already happened.
>>106112594If my company allows me to avoid taxes, I'd happily take that kind of "loans", too
>>106112629>>106112642HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAnd you know the best part about this is? The ollie "membership post" was a complete fake, that shit never existed, you ate catalog bait that came from /#/.
>>106112576Yep, you are right. Why hire talent in the first place, most of them aren't going to make it and only cause trouble.
>>106112642>Aloe>RushiaNeither of them tried to kill themselves while being part of Hololive.
>>106112686Sure, but you'll have to spend all that money on company equipment, deal?
>want to do something that costs let's say 30k>company lends you those 30k without an interest rate so it's a pretty nice loan actually>eventually have to pay it backwow this is crazy
>>106112679Even if that's true, she's not getting terminated for showing her hands.
>>106109421>Haachama says something that's demonstrably false>Retard believes it anyway because who cares about reality right?>Gets told>Throws a meltyGreat job, faggot.
>>106112766It is indeed crazy how retarded holobros are
>>106112637>Phasefag goes to Haachama World to do his usual routine like with Fauna, Mumei and even Ao>Finally gets told to fuck off because it's getting repetitive and he's not slick at all>Why are Holofags like this
>>106112637It was rich how much they celebrated Haachama's return, only to just not watch her after.
>>106112703They don't hire talents to make covers. In fact, they don't hire talents to do anything but official projects (that's why certain talents could take months off without any issue).Ayame, for example, has a grand total of 1 (1) original song this year. >only cause troubleMajority of talents are happy as clams while being millionaires, though
>>106111815Yes, but I'd imagine her defiant attitude and doing it knowingly while saying something like "eh whatever, I'm not a vtuber" as well as the talking about some really bad shit is much worse.If she had just accidentally forgotten and shown her bare hands like that for a while it'd be a VOD edit or deletion and a slap on the wrist at best.
>>106108887>>106108887>>106108887>>106108887
>>106112759Sure. I can handle getting a new PC and a new car.
>>106112759You know that they also saved a lot of money (which effectively means they "earned" more money) with that loan, right?
>>106112835>don't hire talents to do anything but official projectsThey have a requirement to do "content" weekly. And strongly encourage talent to do at least some music, even ones that can't sing for shit.>Majority of talents are happyWell, it only takes one. And could be one you don't really expect as you can see. Why risk it? They should just fire everyone except the first army.
>>106112882Great! Don't forget to turn it back when you leave.
>>106112991this ain't nijisanji
>>106112938How so?
500+ employees at cover, right? pretty obvious 90% are just internet shills. ain't no way some tard will spend here 24/7 defending a company that shits on their streamers or ignores them.
>>106112991Newer hires (maybe as of about around Council era) have a contract including an average of about what was it, 3 streams per week for the first year? Then it's free for all
so let me get that straight, they call themselves an idol company but don't pay for idol activities like songs and concerts? just let them stream with their boyfriends or husbands and kids at this point. what a farce lol. holobabies are the nintendo adults of live streaming
>>106110488KEK
>>106112991>They have a requirement to do "content" weekly. And strongly encourage talent to do at least some music, even ones that can't sing for shit.No, they don't after the first year.How did you think this was the case when some talents took months off without any problem?>Why risk it?Because the "reward" can be used effectively to grow the company and benefit the girls as a whole more. It's a simple matter of pros and cons
>>106113028Of course, I don't mind. I will still make thousands dollars (up to way more depends on how expensive my car is) from that loan so why not?
>>106113115Oh i'm sorry did I ruin your palace of lies?
>>106113143>why doesn't cover just pay hundreds of thousands for everything they all want to do on top of their normal activities?retardcover already pays for a lot and one concert a year, any more and of course they can't cover (get it) everything
>>106113147>Because the "reward" can be used effectively to grow the company and benefit the girls as a whole moreAnd it's the same for their personal projects.
>>106113115Thread not going on the way you wanted?
>>106113194Well, welcome to the team. You might be fired as soon as you pay the loan tho.
>>106113243babbled like a nintendo adult
>>106113329name me one instance where that happened
>>106113353yeah didn't quite go down the way you expected did it?
>>106113329Sounds like a win still with upfront payment for months worth of work.
>>106113353spoken like a clueless 14 year old who understands nothing about money
>>106113084Because it isn't affected by tax. You essentially save what you'd have to pay for tax otherwise.I will give a very simplified example, numbers arbitrarily chosen for demonstration purpose:Let's say Bae makes $20,000 a month from Cover with an income tax of 45% (if she isn't a JP resident, it'd be higher). Normally, that means she will bring back home $12,000 a month after tax.Bae need 40,000$ for a cover. Now, she has two option:>Option A: take a "loan" from Cover. Cover pays all of Bae's staffs (animators, mixers, etc.) $40,000 and deduct it from their future payments to Bae. As they pay Bae $20,000 a month normally, for the next two months, they pay Bae $0 and go back to $20,000 the third month>Option B: Bae pays for it herself. Since she only brings home $12,000 a month. It will take her ~3.3 months of payment for it.So effectively by choosing option A, Bae saved 1.3 months of payment which she can use for something else.Of course, if Bae didn't want that, well, she can just not make the cover at all which she will save the full $40,000
>>106113491Great, pleasure doing business with you!If you have any friends we've got more positions open. We're in desperate need of financially illiterate retards here!
>>106110712holofans are cultist. That's what happens when you're a fucking loser irl, you tie your self-worth to something e.g. a religious cult, a football team, kpop group, etc
>>106113506She could declare her cover as work expences and get a tax deduction though.
>>106113569Why is it that when other people don't play into your bullshit you just throw a fit and start calling them names?It's not what an adult would do.
>>106113329Only if I break the rules which I don't>>106113245That might or might not be true - but then that goes back to personal projects (which might or might not benefit the girls individually - in many case, they won't) versus official, group projects (which benefits all the girls). Cover simply decided to go the safer, more equal way
>>106113555>We're in desperate need of financially illiterate retardsYou might want to learn how new companies are made without VC funding
>>106113637>Only if I break the rules which I don'tNDAs are a fickle thing. Ask Mel, I mean Rica, where all her 6 years of projects went.>Cover simply decided to go the safer, more equal wayInstead of going both ways. It's not like they are a little finacially struggling start-up.
>>106113712By scamming their employee? That retard literally agreed to just work for free.
>>106113779just don't be a retard lmao
>>106113607This is true, but AFAIK, none of the girls has done that. Whether they dedied not to, simply are unaware of it, or if there is anything shady behind it, IDKIf you think they can do that, you are free to inform them to pick option B. After all, they are optional. It's not like Cover forces them to take the loan
>>106113779NDAs aren't a fickle thing. It's not a coincidence that no other girl has broken NDA yet. The contract should specifically told them what they could and couldn't say.>Instead of going both ways. It's not like they are a little finacially struggling start-up.Even paying for every talents' mere one covers would already reduce their profit to almost a half. Pretty sure "going both ways" is close to unfeasible unless you want them to either make no profit or operates at a loss
>>106113859The fact that you thought it was working "for free" told us you are the retard
>>106113970They don't do it because there's no benefit to it, only more hassle. But you said they "earn" money by loaning it from Cover, which is not true.
>>106114069 (Me)No other girl has accidentally broken NDA, I meant *
>>106114107Well, technically its for renting a PC and a car for their loan period but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
>>106109708graduation always takes about 3 months from the moment it's decided it worked the same way with Coco and it makes perfect sense.Also if she have "debt" to the company there might actually no legal way for Cover to claim this money back if she just graduates since they're not a bank it might be a sort of informal arrangement based on the fact they get the channel revenue before it gets to the talent.
>>106114133But not every songs, every covers and every personal projects are funded by loans from Cover. Some are paid by talents themselves, too
>>106114191Well, alternatively you spend your own money to rent that PC and car. Great?(And making hundreds thousands bucks a year makes that a lot less troublesome)
>>106114069>yetKey word. Also not true, Rushia did. Haachama might as well now, we'll see.>to almost a halfOf their Q1 profit, you seem to be forgetting that.
>>106114277Just don't be a menhera retard who leaks manager communications to a dramatuber retard
>>106114255But you (or that anon idk) is no making hundreds thousands bucks a year in our example.You've agreed to:>Take a PC and a car>Use them while you are working for free until you pay their price>Give them to me and fuck offHence you are a retard.
>>106114277Yes, and when everything is free, you think talents are going to stop at one or two personal project per year?Haachama, for example, released 5 covers + songs within the last 3 months - and that was with having to payback Cover's loan
>>106108848Chamakeks?? our response??
>>106108848Sora owns stock, doesn't she? That's how she rules place.
>>106114359You are making an example for Hololive / Haachama case, so it should be natural to assume that taking the jobs give you all the benefits being part of Hololive is - which include their payments.If you want to add the>Well, this job doesn't pay you that muchcondition then I simply just won't get a car and PC at all and just keep the monthly payment. After all, I can work just fine with what they give me to begin with.
>>106114366Therefore not everything should be free, but one or two personal project per year. Should be enough for most. If you want more - pay from your pocket, go to a bank or curb your appetites. Your employer taking 100% of your pay for a loan is still not a good idea.
>>106109027This whole drama in a nutshell
>>106114512yeah, that's why they made the loan systemtry and keep up
>>106114359>Give them to me and fuck offI'll be honest, I didn't see the post that mentioned this because it was one line.
>>106114488 (Me)Oh, and let me add this too: If I really really desperately want to try that PC and car out (again, they contribute very little to nothing to my job, it's personal enjoyment), I might accept the job just to do it, too. However, I can't think of any PC or car worth that much
>>106114488But it does include their payments. She's claiming she's not paid anything while paying out this loan. And she's not alone to claim that, I've heard someone else say that as well (Moona? don't remember).
>>106114543>Your employer taking 100% of your pay for a loan is still not a good idea.Try not to be a zombie
>>106114552So do you see the problem now?
>>106114655>Take loan>Needs to repay loaN>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEthis ain't commieland
>>106114512Reminder that they do give talents small allowances for each personal projects. Talents (Haachama in this case) could've settled with either paying everything by herself, or accept an indie-quality product if she didn't want to take the loan. Again, it's optional.>Why not one or two personal project, thenBecause personal projects' cost vary greatly. You have some projects cost few thousands. Some others dozens thousands. Then there are Marine's songs which jump up to hundreds thousands. What now? What would stop talents from just get themselves Marine-level of projects?>Put a cap on it, thenWell, that's what is in place. They get small allowances for their projects
>>106114619Yeah, and before / after paying this loan, she was making banks. That's the benefit of being in Hololive. It's not like she joined, take a loan for personal projects, pay them back then get fired immediately.
>>106114780What does that have do to with the loan being fucked up.>>106114722It should obvioiusly be capped by sum not by project number. Just this sum should not be enough for "indie-quality product" only. That is not a good look for holo, we have discussed it already.>>106114708You are retarded
>>106112869Even your memes reek of brown skin.
>>106114878Oh I'm sorry is your plan to establish commieland in hololive not working out the way you expected it would?
>>106114878 (me)Also (shocker), while I've enjoyed this fruitful discussion, I don't think Chama was talking about these loans at all.Her claim was even weirder - like it costs 100k to get someone to make a video, but I do mine myself and noone pays me. Well, duh.
>>106114979nope, still retarded
>>106114878Unless you think all loans are fucked up, this loan is no different from any other interest-free loan (which is rare, normally there will be interests), though.>It should obvioiusly be capped by sum not by project number.What if talents start wanting more than that sum, then? Will they once again increase it?>That is not a good look for holoHololive doesn't require them to carry out those personal projects. I'm pretty sure saving that money for bigger concerts, more 3D rooms in studio and similar would make Hololive looks better than getting some dozens additional persona projects each year.
>>106114429It is just speculation but Sora is the one who has the most likelihood to own stocks due to her founder status. The rest can't because some of them tried to Cover denied them.
>>106114878>Just this sum should not be enough for "indie-quality product" only. That is not a good look for holo, we have discussed it already.Anon you are living in La la land if you think money grows on trees. Whether you think its a good look or not, I'm sure they calculated how much is feasible to give every talent. If they had only a couple of talents maybe they could give them as much as you think they should.
>>106115389You are the one living in La la land if you think Cover doesn't have money to spare. Their profit for one quarter was 4.5M as someone here has quoted.
>>106115002There are many things she said that either sound off or are nonsensical so not many took haachama seriously. Unsurprisingly the most shocked people were haatons and clipfags that watched some 30-80s clips which obviously don't have enough context.That said I think everyone agrees she sounded hot.
>>106115142>Hololive doesn't require them to carry out those personal projects.This is such a weird situation - Cover doesn't require them, yet they all do it, even the ones that can't sing. Just out of passion and a burning desire to be in debt apparently.
>>106115455those millions are for the suits you cannot touch them
>>106115610Nijiniggers will never understand
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>>106115610>yet they all do itUntrue. Some of them don't even stream, much less carry out projects. In fact, just from a quick YT lookup, AkiRose has a grand total of 0 (zero) cover this year so far. Subaru also has 0 cover, but 1 original song (released last month).> Just out of passion and a burning desire to be in debt apparently.Yes. You might be surprised how far people are willing to go for their passions after they are financially secured
>>106115937AAAAIIIEEEEEEE...!! My narrative!!
>>106115937>this yearRandom constraints out of nowhere>You might be surprised how far people are willing to go for their passionsSo why is the passion making songs for, ok, almost all of them? Again. even those with negative singing skill. Coincidence?
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>>106109027>literally posts the transcript >UHHH I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD TRANSLATIONHoly fuck, I can tell that at least 90% of the translation is accurate by just listening.
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>>106116190Uh oh nijicoping
