HAACHAMA SAVE US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now
>wtf vtubers are gachatardswho didn't know this?
>>106288485Why didn't she specify time for Zenless Zone Zero?
>now
Hoyo is really getting fucking desperate here. Star Rail is currently at the worst player reception/retention of its lifespan. They are pulling out all the stops to shill their dogshit self-insert story patch.
>>106288662>nigger thinks western sisters are the majority of the userbasegood thing mihoyo knows their market is east asia and not american brainrot teens
at least is better than the horse retarded shit
>>106288720I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion. Even asians laughed at the current state of HSR and the earnings for it tanked for Sept-Oct, making it plummet down over 5 spots in its ranking with other gachas. The fact is that this story has more than overstayed its welcome and no one that hasn't underwent a lobotomy thinks Cyrene is a good character. Even people who make HSR content for money couldn't justify shilling her without the blatant disclaimer that she is only relevant with the characters of this current version which is about to end.
>>106288755you just mad they ain't cows, pajeet
>>106288896>Even asians laughed at the current state of HSR and the earnings for it tanked for Sept-Oct, making it plummet down over 5 spots in its ranking with other gachas.for supposedly laughing at the state of the game the hype for the upcoming patch is an all time high only surpassed by other key patches like castorice's (anniversary) and phainon (best character of the game)and also they literally gave out a 5* for free and it's still among the top earning gachas of the last month, use your brain nigga>and no one that hasn't underwent a lobotomy thinks Cyrene is a good character.story skipper or speedreader? or a retarded hi3 faggot who thinks cyrene is el*sia even though shaoji himself stated a year ago they were completely different characters?>she is only relevant with the characters of this current version which is about to end.she's a general support, not on the level of tribbie or sunday but works great with literally every other character in the game, she gets a special buff for chrysos heirs and that's it, you can still make her work with any other team just fine even if it takes ages for her ultimate to charge
>>106288896>make game blatantly, undeniably pay to win to an absurd degree>why is our player retention bad!?With Castorice I thought they were deliberately in gacha EOL milk-the-audience-dry mode, planning to try and get a few extra bucks before retiring the game. I don't understand why they thought it wouldn't backfire.
>>106289392>single player game>pay to winThe fuck are you talking about lmfao.
>>106288485I wonder what she'll think of Shiori's husband, Dan Heng.
>>106289392What backfire? Out of Mihoyo's big three it's by a wide margin their most successful game. Even when giving out characters for free still makes more than ZZZ.
>kiaracouldnt care less
>>106289433>t. has never played gacha in his life
>Twitch simulcasts>opening the door to Mihoyoyep, they are slowly going introduce sponsors through Twitch
>>106289615>pay to win is when you can't clear moc in negative cyclesOne day you faggots will realize gacha games exist to sell pretty characters to lonely losers and they are not e-sports.
>>106289615What's there "to win" nigger? Single player endgame content for a few extra jades?
>>106289693If selling powercreep didn't work they wouldn't be so aggressive in doing it.
>>106290120That's why meta characters like Rappa, Boothill, the so-called DoT savior Hysilens or Phainon's BiS Cerydra were all fantastic sellers right? Cyrene's kit is abysmal and she'll be one of the best selling banners of the year, do you want to guess why?
>>106289170>she's a general support, not on the level of tribbie or sunday but works great with literally every other character in the game, she gets a special buff for chrysos heirs and that's it, you can still make her work with any other team just fine even if it takes ages for her ultimate to chargeIf you think she is even going to be middle of the road support for any new character in 4.X you're off your head. And Cyrene fucking sucks as a character. I don't care if she's from hi3 or some shit, she's a fanfic tier OC and should have stayed a floppy eared scrimblo. >>106290491I've played DoT since release, while Hysilen helped, it was Kafka's rework that actually saved the archtype for a hot minute. I 100% expect it to fall off again before 4.2, but I'll take what I can get for now.
>>106289693Hoyo is no stranger to trying to stonewall older archtypes or types in a content patch. ZZZ has been more blatant about it where they literally go "Oh yeah, this boss takes 70% less Anomaly damage, get fucked Alice owners. Buy the fucking foot girl." Granted you can in turn tell hoyo to go fuck themselves and clear it anyway.
>>106288485>nowMatsuri and Su was streaming HSR for a while already
>trying HSR when it's on its worst patch yetAs long as she doesn't go straight to Amphoreus she should be fine I guess, not that space China is any good but at least it's not that fucking long...
>>106292122yeah? she's not a broken support outside chrysos heirs/remembrance teams so what? she's still more than decent in practically every team, if she was another tribbie or sunday you'd be crying because mihoyo is desperate to sell broken supports like you niggers did with tribbie since her beta>fanfic tier OCelaborate why you are spewing buzzwords like this
>>106292456There's no way she's not given an account that is in the middle of it at this point. I thought I was sick of going back to space China constantly, but we didn't know how good we fucking had it back then.
>>106292282>Hoyo is no stranger to trying to stonewall older archtypes or types in a content patch.Aside from endgame content that requires you to actually build teams based on the current meta you can still clear story missions with whatever team you want because there's no difficulty in these games.
>>106292489You sound like a pathetic Amphoreus apologist. >Why is it bad that a current version support would be out-performed by literally anyone in a non-chryso team? Why is it bad that a support is tailored specifically to the heirs when no more should be released after last patch?I know Hoyo barely gives a fuck about future proofing their units, but don't backpat them when they blatantly put a unit on a clock. Next I bet you'll tell me Cyrene is a deeply written and sympathetic character when they just fucking novel spew her entire sadgirl existence into my lap when most people are so fucking tapped out of the story at this point. Even all that aside, her fucking trailer has her writing herself into past adventures with the team.
>>106292628Yeah you would be right about that. Only problem is, there's barely any gameplay in the story anymore. 7 dang patches of version 3 and there's probably less than 6 required fights through the entire thing.
Taiwan is a country Taiwan is a country!!!
>>106289635>>opening the door to MihoyoWelcome to 2020.
Is this just a HSR push or will anyone stream Genshin
>>106292507I watched Su stream HSR and she started from the beginning, no idea if it'll be like that for kiwawa though but, who knows.
>>106292731There's 1 to 2 boss fights in every patch and pretty sure it's been like that since the game's release and it is also the same with other Hoyo games.
>>106292811So I get to do 5+ hours of text exposition for 5 minutes of gameplay? Whew!
>>106292916It is a story-based game yeah, that's how they sold it before even it was released.
>>106292942Play through Belabog and Space China again and tell me it's the same. I can wait since it would actually take a person a reasonable amount of time, unlike Amphoreus.
>SlopVtubers are also slop, but you really don't like that revalation.They've gone hand in hand with gacha trash to ruin Akihabara. Go watch Go Go Nippon: Live With You!'s 4 hour google maps walk through Akihabara with them jumping from present to past and see how disappointed they are with the Akiba of now.
>>106288485I'm going to be honest: this whole year I've had basically no interest in Kiara content. I don't know what audience she's after, but it isn't me.
>>106292687>>Why is it bad that a current version support would be out-performed by literally anyone in a non-chryso team? Why is it bad that a support is tailored specifically to the heirs when no more should be released after last patch?because as long as she's "good enough" mihoyo couldn't care less, there's no competitive mode in this game and other than buffing old characters to keep up with the HP inflation mihoyo doesn't give a shit about meta, did you also cry when fugue was released last year?>Next I bet you'll tell me Cyrene is a deeply written and sympathetic character when they just fucking novel spew her entire sadgirl existence into my lap when most people are so fucking tapped out of the story at this point.the fuck are you talking about, she's been there since the very first moment, cyrene is fucking mem, we've been learning about her and her story throughout the whole amphoreus arc since 3.0>Even all that aside, her fucking trailer has her writing herself into past adventures with the team.woah almost like her entire existence was dying at young age and then having to record each cycle, for 30M of cycles, following a god's lie, almost like wanting to break free from that shit, stop being an onlooker and imagining herself going on adventures with the person that showed her there's more to being a recorder is her driving force
>>106292985It is not the same lol it's undeniable the story has been getting longer while the gameplay remains the same, and again, it is a story-based game that's what it is. Protip: literally the same happened to Genshin with with every nation's Archon Quest getting longer and longer, the only difference is that Genshin is an open world with actual exploration and side quests and HSR's main and practically only content is the main story.
>>106293318"Good enough" has gotten laughed at in any outlet that discusses character worth. They most certainly care that a character is both shiny and viable enough to make people open their wallets. Supports are 100% designed with the intent to make people pull for their utility both short and long term. The reason why Cedrya was not pulled for a lot was because of her perceived niche with her kit, while also being a literal who in the story. All that shit you are coping with about Cyrene being present and deep is about as shallow a puddle. Mem should not have been this existing piece of data that is actually the mary sue special sauce of the entire arc. While you are not wrong that there is something to be said for one person showing another they can be more than an onlooker, none of that is ever really shown since Mem's and the TB's relationship is never really shown to be that deep or colorful. It's literally always some wise crack about fucking with time to get the current obstacle removed. Mem would occasionally say something about how the current sadedge happening was sad, but then your character would just nod and say "that's rough buddy". Like nothing about the execution of this story was done well, and the idea that none of the new actors in it are even well takes even more out of its sails. I'm ready to just scrap the trip, call it a wash, and move on with my life and hope nothing that shitty ever happens again. I'd take a year of Firefly shilling over another patch of Amphoreus.
>>106293448Yes and because Genshin has different mechanics and means to its gameplay it makes all the difference when the story gets longer. In HSR it feels incredibly bad when your content patch is you trying to get through a hallway map and every 5 steps you are stopped by a 10 minute cutscene that isn't even voiced. If I could explore the world in a fun way that had more gameplay within it, that would be fine. This type of story telling just isn't good for HSR.
>>106293731>and every 5 steps you are stopped by a 10 minute cutscene that isn't even voiced>EN dub player
>Sana left because she couldn't play this stuffkek
>>106288485is that the one that you cant say taiwan in
>>106293648>"Good enough" has gotten laughed at in any outlet that discusses character worth.because her kit sucks for what she offers and yet the fact that she's a general support puts her leagues above any other support that are not utterly broken like tribbie sunday or robin>Supports are 100% designed with the intent to make people pull for their utility both short and long term.nigga jiaoqiu and fugue were the best supports for acheron and firefly respectively and mihoyo didn't even bother pushing them, mind you that acheron and firefly were the best selling banners of the game and yet people didn't pull their supports, why? because the absolute vast majority of the players don't give a flying fuck about meta in a single player gamei'm not gonna bother discussing mem/cyrene's story with you anymore because none of us are going to compromise and just like you projected and called me an amphoreus apologist I think you're a hating nigga that hates cyrene because mihoyo is trying to sell her to "incels" and "self-insertfags"
>>106293822No, a lot of the scenes just aren't voiced.
>>106293731>This type of story telling just isn't good for HSR.I don't disagree with that though, I think HSR would make a very good book series if it wasn't limited and tied to gacha mechanics. You can tell something is THERE but ultimately their model business is selling appealing characters so the storytelling in particular suffers from this.Genshin on the other hand puts more emphasis on its core gameplay (which is exploration and open world mechanics) although like I already said the Archon Quests have been getting longer and longer too.
>>106294311Unless you play in EN the Trailblaze Missions are all fully voiced though?
>>106288485Angela of Delusion prep...someone is going to get stuck playing ZZZ
>>106294022Fugue did not need more active pushing since her story did most of that for her, and Tingyun was already an established character and one that a lot of people already liked for both gameplay and personal reasons. Her return at all at the time was a shocker to make her noticeable. Plus with break being so strong at the time, a lot of players saw it as an extra piece for their established set, not a lot of shilling required., Jiaoqiu they didnt really give a fuck about since he was a side character who was never meant to be a huge earner when Feixio was the set moneymaker. He kinda fell into a sweet role for Acheron when she was so glazed at the time. And before you try to just concede since your belief that your character is well written is so paper thin that you want to just label me as a hater and move on, I don't give a fuck about incels or whatever the fuck else they're doing on twitter. The entire story of Amphoreus is so botched that pretty much everyone introduced in it suffers from either poor pacing, characterization, or kneecapped development. Pretty much all their writing hinges on trying to make the audience feel bad for them by telling me I should, instead of showing me through experiences. There are fucking months of time in this land that the MC spends with the characters that is not presented and not even really discussed. It's just sloppy work overall and the team clearly had issues trying to make people feel engaged with a story of this scale. It also really doesn't help that they're literally all 0s and 1s in a schizo's scepter.
>>106294356> I think HSR would make a very good book series if it wasn't limited and tied to gacha mechanicsOh here's a funny thing, they put a book series INTO the game mechanics. There's this shitty little book you can click in game that tells you the entire life story of the chrysos heirs, and you get a little currency as a reward. It sucks since you were already hammered with a lead pipe over your head about these characters.
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>>106294714Yes, HSR is a story-based game that's why there's a lot to read and very little gameplay.
>>106294623I don't need you to explain me the characters and their roles, I know that very well, but these characters were all poor sellers despite being the designated supports of the best selling banners of the game and feixiao was no moneymaker at all, nobody after firefly did exceptionally strong with sunday being the only exceptionand before you try saying that he sold well because he's the best support of the game, let me tell you that sunday's drip marketing is at the very least top 3 most liked and retweeted in all languages, way before his beta and actual real leaks started, he is a legit outstandingly popular character> The entire story of Amphoreus is so botched that pretty much everyone introduced in it suffers from either poor pacing, characterization, or kneecapped development. Pretty much all their writing hinges on trying to make the audience feel bad for them by telling me I should, instead of showing me through experiences. There are fucking months of time in this land that the MC spends with the characters that is not presented and not even really discussed.yeah nigga let's spend 8 patches in amphoreus with a belobog ass storytelling, do you think castorice phainon or cyrene would be as popular as they are if they were released in 1.* or 2.*? whethere you like it or not amphoreus was a massive success because the story and characters clicked with the playerbase much more than whatever came before it not counting the game release hype season
>>106295258>yeah nigga let's spend 8 patches in amphoreus with a belobog ass storytellingI didn't even want to spend 3 patches here. The story was so fucking boring and had a problem of constantly trying to put its foot on the gas, miss, and hit the brake. So much of it was people trying to tell me something stupid was going on, flamechase this, cockreaver that. I'm in a really bad fucking fantasy book written by a high schooler. You can say it's a massive success all you want, but a fact about this version is that they had to add a skip button because people complained enough. That speaks volumes for itself.
>>106288485I've wanted to check out ZZZ for a while but not enough to sit through a Kiara stream.
>>106295504mihoyo can give the playerbase the greatest story ever told and they will still ask for a skip button or watch a summary video on tiktok because gacha players, and gamers in general, are allergic to reading words on a screen, it has nothing to do with the quality of the writing being good or bad
>>106288896Wow September and October were weak when July/August were so insanely successful that no game even came close to them. Damn they're only getting 44m instead of the 100m they got from 3.4 Truly they are getting desperate.
>>106295773I play to see big numbers, not read.
>>106295559It's honestly starting to lose interest from me. I played since launch and the story is just not grabbing me anymore since it took a massive shift in 2.0. Powercreep is also pretty gross in this game, so the entire standard banner is kinda worthless for the most part.
>>106295843yeah and you meta slaves make for like the 0.01% of the playerbase
>>106295773> it has nothing to do with the quality of the writing being good or badAre you retarded? Why would someone want to skip a story that is engaging and interesting within a game they already invested time and effort in? People want to skip it because it's hours of no gameplay AND a bad story. Now I'll accept that some players might use the skip button to come back to the story later like arknights for example, but the addition of the skip button for HSR was a very reactionary response.
>>106295975almost like the moment children have to read something for more than 15 minutes they fall asleep because their tiktok rotted brains can't take slow paced storiesan actual reactionary response was the dev team showing their faces in the 3.1 stream apologizing for the piss poor pacing of 3.0 and making it possible to skip puzzles and reducing the amount of enemies in the overworld, the skip button was not a result of this
>>106295843You'd be a great hololive fan
The only time Mihoyo made a good story
>>106296265>Children and zoomers just can't read! I'm really tired of this defense being parroted when the fact of the matter is the text itself is just shit. If someone thinks the pacing and content of the Amphoreus story is good, they can only go up from there. An example I can think of off the top of my head is that Anaxea and Aglea have a strained relationship, and this point is slammed over my head with a baseball bat almost every other scene over the course of 3 hours. Yes, I understand they don't like each other very much the first time, and even the second time really drives it home, but they just kept bringing it up over and over and over. It's not even that the ideas behind this story are inherently bad, the execution and presentation are just shit. It also doesn't help that HSR cutscenes outside of per-rendered ones are so lifeless that they make any interaction almost a chore to watch.
>>106296355I'm team Ironmouse because she has the biggest numbers which means she's the best vtuber.
>>106296265>their tiktok rotted brains can't take slow paced storiesIf you're not going to respect my time, I'm not going to respect your attempts at storytelling.
>>106296770They respect your time more than you think, they give you a 5-8 hours story every 6 weeks, you don't really need to read it all in one-go.
>>106297051Then I also don't need to read it at all.
>>106296630except that it's true nigga, online discussion is fucking dead because people skip, speedread or watch summaries on tiktok about their videogames, and this doesn't only apply to star rail but to videogames and media in generalthat said I never claimed that amphoreus was well-paced, star rail's storytelling and mihoyo's storytelling in general is fucking trash but if you are here you take what you know you will get, your example with anaxa and aglaea can be practically applied to every character interaction since release and every mihoyo game, have you considered that perhaps these games are not for you?>if you keep eating shit mihoyo will never improveguess what, doing this shit proved to be successful over and over again and especially this year, as long as they keep releasing appealing characters and stories for the masses they will keep on thriving
>>106297324>your example with anaxa and aglaea can be practically applied to every character interaction since releaseThis is pretty much only true for March, and she was just very one note when it came to the MC's joke responses. That is an interaction meant to give surrounding newer characters more of an inkling to what their new friends are about. The charisma of the characters also plays a lot into it. Sure Jing Yuan just mostly vague posts in every scene he's in, but he delivers it smoothly and there is a slight nugget of something new along with it. The cutscenes in Amphoreus are pretty much exclusively only between the same group of people who are already in a need to know basis. The fact that anaxa and aglaea don't like each other might have been relevant to the conversation, but all the parties present already knew that, so there wasn't a point to reiterate it. This arc is filled with cutscenes like that there is a lot of repetition. Another example is when that literal who from Mydei's city saved one of the tribbies. We were just shown what happened, and then we are given a lengthy exposition about it, explaining it again. Why the fuck did they do that? The point of the scene was already shown.
>>106297685>This is pretty much only true for Marchyou can say literally the same about everyone, most of the time the characters are simple one-notes, sampo being a fuckass, sparkle being a teasing brat, topaz and aventurine always at each other's thorats, silver wolf talking about videogames, blade being emo-suicidal, the herta and screwllum babbling nonsense, I can keep going but you get what I mean, there are very few exceptions where the characters break the mold and in your anaxa and anaglea example we have the heart-to-heart they had before anaxa died for thatI'm not gonna deny the cutscenes or the tribbie shit because it's true but it's been literally like that since release, a lot of your complaints are aimed at amphoreus when most of that shit has existed before itI can understand the burnout nigga I am completely burned out too but it's really not as serious, or worse, as you think it is
>>106298222I think I can agree with most of your points. I would only bring up that characters such as Sampo's dickassery and Sparkle's own brattyness were used as devices to move the plot along. The new characters didn't really try to do anything with themselves. They were basically just statues complaining about the plot that we as players were not allowed to go and solve until Hyacine was literally like "Help me go kill this titan." Hyacine is actually the character I think is treated the best from a storytelling standpoint since her personality and motivations is shown through her in motion interactions with the large dungeon associated with her. Perhaps I really am burnt out by this, it's been over 6 patches of this just for the climax to be so weird. The march payoff even sucked.
>>106298718I'd say castorice's and phainon's stories were handled as well as hyacine's imo, tribbie's too perhaps to a lesser extent, the rest fell more or less in the typical run of the mill character arc except that they were much longer than usual because amphoreus' patches in general were much longer than usualthing is, given amphoreus' nature I can understand why they took 8 patches to tell the story as it's very, extremely likely, they won't use these characters in canon (in a trailblaze mission) ever again, I mentioned sampo and sparkle as being one-notes too but they are very likely getting a -proper- character arc in 4.*, meanwhile the amphoreus characters as characters will most certainly die after 3.7, it's my guessamphoreus was definitely a one-time thing, I don't think we'll be getting a year long arc again
>>106299115I was sick of Castorice's story by the time her patch hit. I really don't care about how much of a sad girl she is. Especially when her own conclusion was just "oh i'll just be less sad". Phainon was cool until he became a lucius ripoff. He is pretty much the poster child of why suffering does not always build good character. I've talked this point over with a friend a lot who is equally fed up with this arc's story like I am, and we just question why we couldn't have been allowed to just go kill a titan each patch since the start? Everyone in the story larps about this grand hero adventure, but we barely get to do anything in it.
>>106299635that's because if it was that simple then there wouldn't be a story and like some guy was insisting above star rail is primarily a story-based game that unfortunately suffers from piss poor storytelling by being tied to gacha, mihoyo sells you characters through their stories and involvement in the main story>Everyone in the story larps about this grand hero adventure, but we barely get to do anything in it.haha the problem with this is that they can't sell you the trailblazer, they need to be sidelined as much as they can while still giving them a minimum of relevance (because, you know, they are still the MCs) so the actual characters they need to sell take the spotlightlike it's been already said, mihoyo's and most gacha games' business model is selling appealing characters to lonely losers, that's their primary market
There's a legit chink defending hoyoslop in this thread lmao
>>106288485So is Coco's name unbanned from chat now?
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>>106288485So that's why they stealth suspended Haachama
>>106292741Taiwan is not a country, the Republic of China is.
>>106292741It is. It's the People's Republic of China.
>hoyo is desperate, they are losing players/moneyJust say you don't like holo playing chinks games, why come up with something like this to stealthily justify holo's action
Damn, Mihoyo is dying...
>>106288896>making it plummet down over 5 spots in its ranking with other gachaspoor HSR, poor Hoyo
>>106288662Holo streaming hoyo games would gain them literally 0 players, if they were remotely interested they're already playing
>>106288485>Streams HSR tomorrow morning (or Tuesday JST) instead of waiting just another day so she can roll on the new Pink Jesus banner when it hitsDumb chicken...
>>106292122>If you think she is even going to be middle of the road support for any new character in 4.X you're off your headThat doesn't matter. Just use 4.X supports for 4.X teams and keep her in CH teams. Unless the powercreep goes another few levels higher, chances are your good CH team will last until the end of 4.X anyway (I still 0-2 cycles with my Feixiao Topaz team until after Phainon banner dropped)
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>>106288485They are releasing Nerissa soon so it's all good
>>106310643She moved it to Thursday JST after KFP told her about Pink Jesus.
>>106288485uh oh /v/ermin melty
>>106288641i chuckled(You)
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