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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

Kiara love

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HOLY FUCKING RUNTS

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>no /nijien/ general in the catalog
did nijisisters finally leave?

You literally just did this timeloop retard.

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>>106289622
unity

>>106289642
There is actually a /nijien/ in the catalog

>>106289556
hololive regularly loses the hours watched metric because they spend so much time doing irrelevant sideshit instead of streaming (which is the entire point of being a streamer)
/#/ just copes by somehow saying the amount that people get watched doesn't matter (unless biboo wins it in which case it does).
somehow streaming to 10k people for 30 minutes is better than streaming to 9k people for 8 hours

>>106289588
Why is Kroni so huge?

>>106289729
Bro, that's a troll bake lmao

>>106289761
>hololive regularly loses the hours watched
Miko and Peko are #1/2, retard.

>>106288368
Vtubing pretty much stagnated after the 2022 disaster of NijisanjiEN becoming popular and Cover becoming obsessed with Homos. Sure, Advent was a bright spot, but the decay was already spreading. People wanted cute anime girls doing cute shit, not menhera dudes and men-obsessed women looking to becoming the latest accessory of some male vtuber. This is pretty much the primary source of drama.

>>106289588
https://youtu.be/Y6T0jR6Y_0s
EN songs in the Hololive weekly top 100 Oct. 26-Nov 1 (1st week songs excluded):
>97) ABOVE BELOW (Justice) - 38,162 views
>80) Kira Killer (Zutomayo ft. Mori Calliope) - 42,778 views
>78) Kaibutsu (FUWAMOCO) - 43,359 views
>68) Go-Getters (Mori Calliope) - 48,922 views
>64) All for One (HoloEN) - 52,471 views
>58) KING (Gawr Gura/Mori Calliope) - 53,878 views
>57) Love Me Love Me Love Me (Nerissa Ravencroft) - 53,894 views
>40) Daidaidaidaidaikirai (Hakos Baelz/Ouro Kronii) - 65,894 views
>38) Gacha×Gacha ADVENTURE! (Raora Panthera) - 67,772 views
>34) Team Tomodachi (Advent) - 74,217 views
>27) I'll still be here (Gigi Murin) - 91,666 views
>18) Orpheus (Mori Calliope) - 117,341 views
>12) TAKEDOWN (AmaLee/Bao/Mori Calliope) - 140,116 views
>7) Ash Again (Gawr Gura) - 174,657 views

New:
>Dynamite (Nerissa Ravencroft/Aokumo Rin) - 376,293 views
>Deep in Abyss. (Ninomae Ina'nis/Nanashi Mumei) - 215,942 views
>Gehenna (IRyS/Nanashi Mumei) - 260,336 views
>Prisoner (FUWAMOCO) - 104,988 views
>Kasoukyousoukyoku (Kankan/Nanami Urara/Hakos Baelz - 27,491 views

Notes:
Holotori Dance, Hot Limit, and Escalate fall off the list. Raora and Gigi make the list in their first qualifying week. Biboo's Rock In and Mori's Let's Just Crash are new next week.

>>106289761
You can go on Twitch and look at the amount of people watching vtubers and it dwarves the Holobox, even when you exclude all the furries / males

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>>106289768
ask Wada

>>106289761
That’s silly. HoloEN as a group beats any other group in that metric and by a gigantic margin despite some groups (like NijiEN) having a massive advantage in number of channels.
Phase doesn’t even register anymore in that vstats chart, VShojo is dead and even putting all western Brave Group together they can even get in the same range.

Ex-holos are the most humiliating subset of indies for hololive to lose to because you had them and fucked it up and lost them, i dont know why people try to damage control their numbers with this angle.
It's actually a damage enhancer and every time they succeed it slowly encourages more and more hololives to consider graduating and trying things on their own.

>>106289853
I meant of EN tubers, which is the primary focus of /#/. JP speaking is an entirely different realm, i should have specified though

>>106289761
Honestly, i never understood the point of hours watched as a metric. Can numberGODS explain to me the point of it, why it matters?

>>106289860
>People wanted cute anime girls doing cute shit
no they really didn't, you want that but you're a tiny minority

I have never seen a crosspost that wasn't a shitpost

>>106289902
oh you're a phasecuck, my bad lol.

>>106289918
No not really, considering how many people watch the homos

>>106289876
No one is watching that, its bots. Filian went to YT and is a 2k, Zentranny did the same and was a 3view.

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>>106289876
You made me go and look and the absolute state of the vtuber tag on twitch almost made me rage quit the hobby entirely

Bao is having her 1st ever live solo concert at Whisky a Go Go. Capacity is 500 seats and vip is sold out. If you want streaming tickets hold on.
https://posh.vip/e/kinetic-fusion-presents-baos-emo-goth-party

>>106289876
That’s dumb as fuck in the context that’s being talked specially due to the “that does not correlate with the number of channels” condition mentioned.

>>106289594
That is just a correlation with the number of channels and a meaningless statement.
In a conversation about wealth and the richest man it would be equally meaningless to say “the total net worth of Elon Musk is smaller than the total net worth of everybody else combined”.

>>106289977
What bad timing for this

>>106289898
>HoloEN as a group beats any other group
That's not a hard goal to clear considering the only other groups are Phase and NijiEN
Compared to just indie vtubers they lose though

>kiaraschizo on the catalog
He rules this board

>>106289972
all sub-Shiori
>GRIM

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>>106289588
Recent Clip Numbers
>>106188287
>>106188302
>>106188323

>>106289972
Holy grim

>>106289609
Kys

>>106289918
Yeah, we want cute anime girls fawning over cute anime boiz like in my anime romcoms. :)

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>>106289588
* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>55,398: Miko (Hololive)
>52,925: Nene (Hololive)
>33,764: Kaisei (Nijisanji)
>24,068: Pekora (Hololive)
>23,546: Fubuki (Hololive)
>22,672: Saba (Indie)
>21,784: Toya (Nijisanji)
>21,479: Mio (Hololive)
>18,193: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>16,339: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)
>16,238: Lize (Nijisanji)
>16,208: Ririca (Indie)
>15,089: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,458: Belmond (Nijisanji)
>13,387: Elizabeth (Hololive)
>12,477: Calliope (Hololive)
>12,223: Toko (Nijisanji)
>12,136: Kagami (Nijisanji)
>11,591: Mio (Hololive)
>11,348: Rai (Nijisanji)
>11,105: Ayato (Nijisanji)
>10,297: Nui (Nijisanji)
>10,191: Kanae (Indie)
>10,091: Roa (Indie)
>10,048: Flare (Hololive)

>>106289979
We aren't having a conversation about wealth, we're having a conversation about the scene growing
Vtubing in the West is still growing, just not Hololive

>>106290027
>king of brown shit mountain

>>106289949
never watched phase, just saying that /#/ constantly tries to pretend ironmouse isn't a big vtuber and attempts to claim it's "only" saba/nimi/dooby because its part of their holomaxxing narrative

>>106290078
normal people dont feel cucked when a woman interacts with another men, that's on you

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>>106289588
OCT 2025 GOLD
>1) 92,847: Korone (hololive) birthday collab stream [18]
>2) 68,374: Suisei (hololive) Important Announcement + new miComet outfit reveals [24]
>3) 69,410: Miko (hololive) FubuMio vs miComet clubhouse 51 [23]
>4) 49,837: Miko (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 Sakurasaki HS Year 2 [25]
>5) 105,025: Fubuki (hololive) 3DLIVE Birthday [32]
>6) 40,093: Marine (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 AHOY Academy Year 3 [19]
>7) 34,747: Pekora (hololive) Marika DX8 [17]
>8) 52,995: Subaru (Hololive)
>9) 95,687: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>10) 55,693: Luna (Hololive)
>11) 91,899: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>12) 33,396: Miko (Hololive)
>13) 53,372: Miko (Hololive)
>14) 43,646: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>15) 72,432: Pekora (Hololive)
>16) 50,072: Subaru (Hololive)
>17) 65,244: Miko (Hololive)
>18) 46,451: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>19) 96,710: Marine (Hololive)
>20) 44,584: Marine (Hololive)
>21) 55,519: ROF-MAO (Nijisanji)
>22) 66,022: Naraka (Nijisanji)
>23) 51,980: Miko (Hololive)
>24) 63,037: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25) 48,389: Koyori (Hololive)
>26) 116,288: Koyori (Hololive)
>27) 44,521: Fubuki (Hololive)
>28) 81,615: Miko (Hololive)
>29) 104,435: Lamy (Hololive)
>30) 39,205: Kanata (Hololive)
>31) 36,357: Pekora (Hololive)


> PER COMPANY
24x: Hololive
7x: Nijisanji

> PER STREAMER
7x: Miko
4x: Kuzuha
3x: Marine, Pekora
2x: Subaru, Koyori
1x: Korone, Suisei, Fubuki, Luna, ROF-MAO, Naraka, Fubuki, Nijisanji, Lamy, Kanata

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>>106289876
you starting to sound like this guy

>>106290015
> Compared to just indie vtubers they lose though
See >>106289979, it’s pointless to try to have this conversation if you’re just going to pool the wealth of a billion people in a conversation about the world’s richest man

>>106290113
>600 tickets

>>106289903
front the point of view of retarded MBAs trying to use fancy words and sell-speak watch hours are a great metric because they can spin it as: we had an audience engagement of X combined amount of hours, same shit gaming companies do with daily active users (DAU).
I don't know why that shit is valued as highly as it is when in reality its a shit point of reference easily obfuscated to give an impression that is separate from reality

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>>106290116
OCT 2025 SILVER
>1) 45,197: Miko (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 Sakurasaki HS Year 2
>2) 30,541: Lauren (nijisanji) GTA5 MADTOWN
>3) 47,275: Koyori (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 BBQ
>4) 49,718: Subaru (hololive) Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 finale
>5) 59,159: Ren Kisaragi (VSPO) VSPO pop quiz
>6) 28,030: Miko (hololive) Oshaberi king
>7) 28,578: Ririka (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 GENKAIJO HS Year 2
>8) 45,257: Miko (Hololive)
>9) 32,991: Gwelu (Nijisanji)
>10) 38,032: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>11) 45,458: Miko (Hololive)
>12) 29,548: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>13) 47,563: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>14) 37,704: Miko (Hololive)
>15) 41,741: Miko (Hololive)
>16) 43,590: Chiroru (Indie)
>17) 36,226: Pekora (Hololive)
>18) 38,634: Miko (Hololive)
>19) 46,683: Miko (Hololive)
>20) 43,445: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>21) 35,707: Calliope (Hololive)
>22) 48,055: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>23) 32,188: Calliope (Hololive)
>24) 61,039: Calliope (Hololive)
>25) 34,081: Subaru (Hololive)
>26) 113,182: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>27) 34,499: Sakuna (Indie)
>28) 50,592: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>29) 37,074: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>30) 36,744: Pekora (Hololive)
>31) 26,959: Marine (Hololive)


> PER COMPANY
18x: hololive
10x: nijisanji
1x: VSPO
2x: Indie

> PER STREAMER
8x: Miko
3x: Calliope, Nijisanji, Kazuha
2x: Subaru, Pekora
1x: Lauren, Koyori, Ren Kisaragi, Ririka, Gwelu, Lauren, Chiroru, Sakuna, Marine

>>106290130
small indie vtuber plz understand

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>>106290042

https://litter.catbox.moe/iejok2.mp4

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>>106290085
>champion of phase
>first week of debut
>minecraft
>loses to shiori part 3 of digimon

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>>106290159
OCT 2025 BRONZE
>1) 38,576: Lauren (nijisanji) GTA5 MADTOWN
>2) 29,494: Kanae (nijisanji) MADTOWN #2
>3) 44,212: Marine (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 AHOY Academy Year 2
>4) 34,559: Subaru (hololive) Zatsudan
>5) 41,446: Miko (hololive) Horseracing
>6) 23,851: Gwelu (nijisanji) collab
>7) 26,180: Moka (VSPO) Street Fighter League: PRO-JP 2025
>8) 42,460: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>9) 31,467: Hololive English (Hololive)
>10) 27,644: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11) 33,464: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12) 29,099: Koyori (Hololive)
>13) 32,526: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14) 34,835: Pekora (Hololive)
>15) 35,257: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>16) 37,355: Miko (Hololive)
>17) 35,019: Marine (Hololive)
>18) 33,627: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>19) 37,513: Korone (Hololive)
>20) 38,015: Naraka (Nijisanji)
>21) 33,922: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>22) 45,203: Marine (Hololive)
>23) 26,989: Lize (Nijisanji)
>24) 59,926: Shibuya Hal (Neo-Porte)
>25) 30,868: Subaru (Hololive)
>26) 37,602: Subaru (Hololive)
>27) 30,510: Miko (Hololive)
>28) 36,801: Calliope (Hololive)
>29) 35,783: Pekora (Hololive)
>30) 28,137: Miko (Hololive)
>31) 25,536: Pekora (Hololive)

> PER COMPANY
11x: nijisanji
18x: hololive
1x: VSPO
1x: Neo-Porte

> PER STREAMER
4x: Miko
3x: Kanae, Kuzuha, Marine, Subaru, Pekora
2x: Lauren
1x: Gwelu, Moka, Hololive English, Koyori, Fubuki, Korone, Lize, Hal, Calliope

>>106290129
We aren't talking about wealth

>>106290132
Hours watched is the best metric, it's just hard to measure

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>>106289977
Nice timing... no wait... was it 3D chess?

>>106289903
It's one of the main factors for determining ad revenue.

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>>106290200
OCT 2025 HIGHLANDER
>1) 92,847: Korone (hololive) birthday collab stream
>2) 68,374: Suisei (hololive) Important Announcement + new miComet outfit reveals
>3) 69,410: Miko (hololive) FubuMio vs miComet clubhouse 51
>4) 49,718: Subaru (hololive) Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 finale [S]
>5) 105,025: Fubuki (hololive) 3DLIVE Birthday
>6) 40,093: Marine (hololive) Hololive Koushien 2025 AHOY Academy Year 3
>7) 34,747: Pekora (hololive) Marika DX8
>8) 42,460: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>9) 32,991: Gwelu (Nijisanji)
>10) 55,693: Luna (Hololive)
>11) 33,464: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12) 29,548: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>13) 31,950: Iroha (Hololive)
>14) 23,356: Patra (Indie)
>15) 20,049: Chiroru (Indie)
>16) 18,965: AZKi (Hololive)
>17) 15,588: Ex Albio (Nijisanji)
>18) 46,451: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>19) 31,946: Calliope (Hololive)
>20) 38,015: Naraka (Nijisanji)
>21) 55,519: ROF-MAO (Nijisanji)
>22) 24,869: Rena (Nijisanji)
>23) 26,989: Lize (Nijisanji)
>24) 59,926: Shibuya Hal (Neo-Porte)
>25) 48,389: Koyori (Hololive)
>26) 26,896: Kanata (Hololive)
>27) 34,499: Sakuna (Indie)
>28) 33,487: Luca (Nijisanji)
>29) 104,435: Lamy (Hololive)
>30) 14,150: Saba (Indie)
>31) 19,472: Sendo (VSPO)

> PER COMPANY
15x: Hololive
11x: Nijisanji
3x: Indie
1x: Neo-Porte
1x: VSPO

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They're called Virtual tubers, having fleshie whores larp as them is just a stop gap until the tech is ready.

The Platonic Ideal of a vtuber is an AI. Ideally one you can customize entirely yourself and run locally as Free Software.

Ironically the biggest issue with vtubing is the rigging is dogshit. When there's no fleshy whore behind it the issue goes away.

>>106290192
Do you know what "growing" means?

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>>106290231
OCT 2025 holoID
>1) 3,054: Zeta (Clover Pits)
>2) 1,507: Reine (CloverPit)
>3) 7,990: Kaela (Easy Delivery Co.)
>4) 2,645: Iofi (Honkai Star Rail)
>5) 1,150: Risu (Whisper of the House)
>6) 6,616: Kaela (Easy Delivery Co.)
>7) 3,006: Reine (No Sleep For Kaname Date)
>8) 10,403: Ollie
>9) 2,825: Ollie
>10) 5,233: Risu
>11) 4,034: Kaela
>12) 4,561: Zeta
>13) 16,235: Ollie
>14) 5,279: Kaela
>15) 3,332: Ollie
>16) 3,072: Ollie
>17) 8,230: Kaela
>18) 7,352: Kaela
>19) 1,671: Anya
>20) 4,793: Kaela
>21) 5,554: Zeta
>22) 1,180: Iofi
>23) 6,466: Kaela
>24) 1,951: Risu
>25) 2,465: Iofi
>26) 941: Reine
>27) 7,800: Risu
>28) 1,703: Iofi
>29) 3,524: Risu
>30) 1,805: Risu
>31) 4,532: Anya

> PER STREAMER
8x: Kaela
5x: Ollie
4x: Iofi, Risu
3x: Zeta, Reine
2x: Anya

>>106290085
Thats silly. Twitch in 2021 had, for a while, three solid five views
>Nyanners
>Veibae
>Ironmouse
Today they have zero. Looking at >>106289972 they have a lot of sub 3k and maybe four 5k+, total?
There were a time before 2022 when it really looked like vtubing was viable on Twitch but VShojo hilarious implosion proved the audience was not there and, if it was, it was not a PAYING audience

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>>106290113
>never watched phase
>normal people dont feel cucked when a woman interacts with another men, that's on you
Yep, definitely a Phasecuck.

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>>106290263
OCT 2025 Floor tally
>1) 10,480: Fuwa (nijisanji) nijiMUFG [18]
>2) 11,103: Ina (hololive) Inacademy: Drawing [24]
>3) 10,700: Nene (hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator [23]
>4) 10,956: Kagami (nijisanji) Pokemon Trading Card Game Pocket [25]
>5) 10,377: Cammy (nijisanji) Niji mahjong L league coach room [32]
>6) 11,019: Bae (hololive) Stellar Blade [19]
>7) 10,124: Luna (hololive) MonHun Wilds [17]
>8) 10,220: Koyori (Hololive)
>9) 10,070: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>10) 10,129: Ina (Hololive)
>11) 10,169: Ars (Nijisanji)
>12) 10,554: Ririca (Indie)
>13) 10,025: Laplus (Hololive)
>14) 10,094: Hinano (VSPO)
>15) 11,226: Watame (Hololive)
>16) 11,028: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>17) 10,422: Mio (Hololive)
>18) 10,492: Kagami (Nijisanji)
>19) 10,067: Koyori (Hololive)
>20) 10,302: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>21) 10,027: Bijou (Hololive)
>22) 10,006: Sho (Nijisanji)
>23) 10,399: Nose (VSPO)
>24) 10,424: Lamy (Hololive)
>25) 10,353: Lionheart (NoriPro)
>26) 10,424: Cecilia (Hololive)
>27) 10,061: VSPO (VSPO)
>28) 10,121: Kiara (Hololive)
>29) 10,177: Fubuki (Hololive)
>30) 10,498: AZKi (Hololive)
>31) 10,071: Ars (Nijisanji)

> PER COMPANY
10x: nijisanji
17x: hololive
1x: Indie
2x: VSPO
1x: NoriPro

>>106289588
is kronii live? no? then kys

>>106290249
Releasing shitter gen after shitter gen that cant beat a HoloEN runt, is not growing.

>>106290275
>Peak instead of totals
Why do I even come here? Why are you so stupid? The amount of people watching vtubers right now on Twitch is more than HoloEN will ever see

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>>106289588
100k by holos in 2025

1. Holo new year afterparty (hololive/01-01)
2. Pekomama Collab (Pekora/01-01)
3. Mikorone part 1 (Miko/02-01)
4. Mikorone part 2 (Korone/03-01)
5. Ceres Fauna graduation (Fauna/03-01)
6. Gomaku tourney draft (Miko/04-01)
7. Gomoku tourney part 1 (Miko/05-01)
8. 4th gen 3Dlive (hololive/05-01)
9. Gomoku tourney part 2 (Miko/05-01)
10. Janken tourney (Pekora/11-01)
11. Pekora Bday 3D Live (Pekora/12-01)
12. New years games festival (Towa/13-01)
13. HoloX anniversary 3DLive (hololive/19-01)
14. Sakamata Chloe graduation 3DLive (Chloe/26-01)
15. Peko Vs Marine clubhouse game 51 (Pekora/02-02)
16. Holo typing speed contest (Miko/01-03)
17. Oozora Subaru anniversary 3D Live (Subaru/02-03)
18. Sakura Miko Bday 3DLive (Miko/05-03)
19. Murasaki Shion graduation announcement (Shion/06-03)
20. Color Rise Harmony 1st Stage (hololive/08-03)
21. Color Rise Harmony 2nd Stage (hololive/08-03)
22. Color Rise Harmony 3rd Stage (hololive/09-03)
23. Nanashi Mumei graduation announcement (Mumei/28-03)
24. REGLOSS mini UNREAL 3D Live (hololive DEV_IS/30-03)
25. Sakura Miko 2D Live debut (Miko/01-04)
26. Inugami Korone Anniversary 3D Live (Korone/13-04)
27. Gawr Gura graduation announcement (Gura/16-04)
28. Otonose Kanade Bday 3D Live (Kanade/20-04)
29. Amane Kanata Bday 3D Live (Kanata/22-04)
30. Murasaki Shion Graduation 3D Live (Shion/26-04)
31. Nanashi Mumei Graduation (Mumei/28-04)
32. Gawr Gura Graduation (Gura/01-05)
33. Which hololive member loves Subaru the most? (Marine/01-05)
34. Spring Hololive Member Counseling Session(Subaru/06-05)
35. Animal Tower Battle tournament (Lui/18-05)
36. Miko Switch 2 lottery (Miko/03-06)
37. Tsunomaki Watame Bday 3DLive (Watame/06-06)
38. Todoroki Hajime Bday 3DLive (Hajime/07-06)
39. Takane Lui Bday 3DLive (Lui/11-06)
40. Sakura Miko Switch 2 lottery 4 (Miko/17-06)
41. Kazama Iroha Bday 3DLive (Iroha/18-06)
42. Sakura Miko Switch 2 GET announcement (Miko/22-06)
43. AZKi Bday 3DLive (AZKi/01-07)
44. Oozora Subaru Bday event (Subaru/02-07)
45. Pekomama holomem totsumatchi (Pekora/16-07)
46. Houshou Marine Bday 3DLive (Marine/30-07)
47. Guess which holomem the present is from? (Miko/03-08)
48. Best loser Smash tournament (Miko/06-08)
49. Usada Pekora 6th Anniversary 3D Live (Pekora/31-08)
50. Nakiri Ayame 7th Anniversary 3D Live (Ayame/03-09)
51. Shishiro Botan Bday 3DLive (Botan/08-09)
52. PekoLamy watermelon exploding offcollab (Pekora/15-09)
53. Shirakami Fubuki Bday 3DLive (Fubuki/05-10)
54. Holokoshien 2025 (Koyori/26-10)
55. #3rd Hololive Fitness King Championship (Lamy/29-10)
56. Anti Slaying stream (Miko/01-11)
57. DMC4 (Mori/02-11)

# of 100k streams last year: 58

>>106290314
If they're getting more popular over time then they're growing
Growth is comparing yourself to yourself in the past, not comparing yourself to HoloEN
There's a free English lesson for you

>>106290205
>We aren't talking about wealth
Do you lack the ability to understand abstract thought? My point is that in a comparison of what’s the biggest western vtuber group saying “the biggest group is the sum of every vtuber not in Hololive” doesn’t really add anything to the conversation

>>106289876
The biggest ligger live right now is literally losing to shiori playing digimon lol

>dokibird playing apex again
>holomem playing apex again
>ex-vsj playing apex again
Did EA finally fix the game or something?

>more views are better
the only streamers i've ever really enjoyed watching with a decent chat always had less than 2k viewers. but you don't actually watch streamers you just want to have autistic neet fights.

>>106290361
no, it fell off

>>106290132
Its far easier and cheaper to bot peak viewers than it is to game watched hours. You pay for bots by unit time.

Surprise surprise, the trillion dollar industry knows what it is doing over the random NEETs on 4chan.

>>106290348
>0%

>>106290351
>HoloEN IS the western vtubing market, outside of them there's not much of anything
Considering there's like 5x more viewers for vtubers on Twitch alone than HoloEN sees, that statement is not true

>>106290348
Releasing shitter gen after shitter gen, is not growing. Unless you are using the Niji model as reference.

>>106290448
If they're becoming more popular then they're growing

>>106290348
not a single new phase has gotten past pippa and pippa has not grown at all in years
where exactly is this growth you're talking about

>>106289903
>The short answer
It doesn't matter
>The long answer
>>106228273

>>106290490
>Peaks instead of totals

>>106290490
He imagined it in his schizo mind

>106290475
>it's a bot ?

>>106290319
>>106290446
See >>106290351 again. You are saying something that’s possible: if you add together every “hour watched” of every Twitch vtuber it might surpass those of HoloEN.
But that’s just a correlation with the number of channels being taken in consideration with zero value added to the conversation because it is just an indirect way to say
>there are more vtubers on twitch than on HoloEN
which doesn’t really add anything meaningful.

Here is something equally meaningless: if you add together every *diaper fetish furry* channel on twitch it might rack up more “hours watched” than HoloEN as well, but that doesn’t say anything about their popularity, name recognition or impact in the industry

>>106290475
Where is that popularity shown? The croc girl, barely holding on to 2k?

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AVENGEEEEEEEERS... ASSEMBLE!

>>106290513
your brain peaked at kindergarten

The average vtuber watcher is statistically not watching hololive.

>>106290525
He said that outside of HoloEN there isn't much of anything. Considering that there's way more vtubing going on on Twitch, that statement isn't true
Not that hard to understand

>>106290287
>here's my random list of schizo obsessions from twitter, i bet you're on there
are you ok? what made you like this?

>>106290416
You don’t need bots you just need to leave your stream on for ungodly amounts of time while counting the hundred or so tabbed out viewers. That’s how that ex NijiID is number two in watch hours with 10 hour daily streams. And you are right the industry does know better, that’s why Twitch changed how they count viewers to appease advertisers who saw they were getting scammed. Much to the chagrin of Twitch “streamers”

>>106290532
I said if, I don't know the numbers but it looks like they're growing from a cursory glance

>If we sum every all 2 million indies and use an easy to manipulate statistic like hours watched (sleepathons per example) then the indies win against HoloEN...in one statistic, on popularity they're not even close
The absolute state of liggers

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shiori gooning

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>>106288368
HoloEN didn't strike while the iron was hot during the first 2 years of the pandemic. They should have expanded much faster and debuted new people twice as fast. The lack of streams and content lead to some fans drifting away from the fandom or watching liggers/nijis/smaller corpos/twitch whores instead. There also just wasn't enough concerts and big box events during the first couple of years in general.
Imagine if most of the JP first army had half assed things for 2-3 years and then graduated. That's what happened with EN. Tourists still like to glaze those 4 or 5 SNOT minecraft collabs that they did, but JP had story arcs and content like that on an almost daily basis for the first 3-4 years.

the average person who might get into vtubing is going to be on twitch, click "Just chatting" and then scroll down and maybe click an anime avatar stream. Right now that's starting about 12 entries down and are Filian, Zentreya, camilia and then some below that.

Youtube sucks ass for streaming, nobody ever looks for streams there, you have to already know they exist and have them basically bookmarked. The only time people might think to look on youtube for a stream is when they sponsor major sports like the Superbowl or something.

Hell people are more likely to go to kick for streams than yt

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why is this faggot /here/?

>>106290676
the avarage person on twitch watches flesh streamers instead of vtuber, thats why liggers numbers are so fucking dogshit

Stop typing so many words retards

If mori invites gigi to her next live she could probably fuck her

>>106290715
jesus christ you're dumb

Why are you having a meltdown about the fact that the average vtuber watcher is statistically watching some random indie and not hololive?

They don't even stream that much, why would you expect them to be the ones that people go to?

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>>106290676
>might
>maybe
>likely

Yet they don't. That's why Fillian, Mouse, Zentreya's averages are going to hell after May.

>>106290714
Which one

>>106290724
say the delusional nigger

>>106290726
kill yourself faggot.

Most people aren't watching hololive. That's just how it is.

>>106290726
It's hilarious to watch
If you say Hololive is losing in metric X they'll say "well that doesn't matter, what about metric Y"
Because all they're here to do is defend Hololive

>>106290594
That’s not even my point, but I agree with the anon making it. Here is the complete quote
>HoloEN IS the western vtubing market, outside of them there's not much of anything, while Japan has several popular vtubers outside of Hololive
The statement is not “other vtuber channels don’t exist” or that “only HoloEN produces vtuber content” but “the existing vtubers in the western market aren’t popular enough to be considered competition for HoloEN” and that’s a correct statement.
The rest of the industry (outside of ex Holos) is a handful of 5k+, a couple dozen 4 views sub5k and a litany of 3 views or worse.
You can add them all up together to make a point that their combined watch hours surpasses that of HoloEN but that’s just making an indirect statement about the number of channels without addressing the main point

>>106290775
Saba gets more ccv than the entire EN box.
Grim

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>>106290794
Mori playing a random game gets more ccv than sabas karaoke
Grim

>>106290714
sometimes liggers like to come here to get made fun of, i don't get it either

Hololive is over. The indie avengers will shit on its grave

>>106290714
please don't call shion a faggot, she has a boyfriend.

>>106290783
You wrote an entire paragraph and said absolutely nothing
In the Western market, outside of HoloEN, there is indeed something, HoloEN does not represent the majority share of the market

Isn't it funny that both Shondo and Bao who are pretty big for liggers are getting cancelled by Indiesphere right now and here we are with liggers bragging about indies

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>In the Western market, outside of HoloEN, there is indeed something
That something is very grim

>>106290878
what do the numbers mean

>>106289903
It's a metric that is entirely for Advertisers. Twitch plays ads during stream, so an advertiser will approach a streamer with 30,000 watch hours under the idea that if they advertise on that streamer's channel X number of times per hour, their ad was watched/viewed 30,000 times X number of times. But recently advertisers realized they were getting shafted because watch hours was inflated by sleepathons and tabbed out viewers so they paid streamers to play their ads out into the void. So they pushed Twitch to change how they count viewers, it will be interesting to see Vstats Q4 watch hours numbers after the change was implemented.

Why are indies such an existential threat to holodrones?

>holodrones spamming doxx
uh oh meltie

>>106290113
That's why you got cucked by Reimu, Cuckdred

>>106290924
Nimi makes them seethe because she has indie freedom like the ability to talk about your personal life unrestricted and still be popular

>>106290922
All platforms know if you're actually at your PC watching the stream so the public viewcount numbers aren't that relevant to advertisers

>1 min
it's just one guy...

>>106290922
And Twitch is still not as limiting as Youtube in that regard. It's only a tiny bit more restrictive than it used to be

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>seething and begging for holochad attention
キモ

>>106290924
Hololive fans melt down screaming and crying about indies every day despite the fact Hololive streamers are 10 times more popular, scientists still struggling to explain this phenomenon

>>106290872
market for people who don't pay
fantastic reality concert with ironmouse and a bunch of other liggers failed to sell out

>>106290966
>can we go back to timeloop nimi again?
>see! i throw bad faith post saying Nimi popular!

why is shiori so horny

>tabbed out
>3 hits
ah this meme again

>>106290924
Trying to drag indies because you can use phase against Hololive kek pathetic phasecuck

>>106291006
>people who don't pay
online content makes money through ads, a view is a view

>>106290872
>HoloEN does not represent the majority share of the market
Most concurrent viewers (both in peak and average), subscribers, superchats and other earnings, in all of them they're either majority share or a downright monopoly.

Hell, even in hours watched, an actual measurement (not just padding the stats) would show HoloEN having majority. AT BEST you can say something like "In X years it will be different", but in 2025 there is not a single point in your favour, just the evergrowing realization that there is nothing outside of HoloEN.

>>106290989
sex

>>106290877
I didn't see a single relevant indie going after them, it's only 1views and youtube grifters

>>106290877
No one cares about male vtubers, vtweeters, and dramafags. They can't cancel anyone.

>>106291009
She is objectively popular and up their with the top EN in terms of ccv

>>106290995
why would holofans do that, indiefans already did that >>106290877 like hundred times already

>>106291040
biggest streamer in EN is an indie though

>>106291040
Average amount of people watching non-HoloEN vtubers is like 5 times as much as the average amount of people watching HoloEN vtubers

>>106290987
Dead thread
Dead board

>>106291036
good thing you can get bots to pretend that there is a market there, too bad the bots don't show up in reality

>>106290872
I understand you might have trouble with long abstract thought so I’ll make it short
The original statement summary
>there is very little popular enough outside of HoloEN (and ex Holos) to be consisted proper competition
That’s a fact.
Your rebuttal is
>vtuber content outside HoloEN exists
but that is so outside the scope of what’s being said it’s a non sequitur.

>https://m.youtube.com/@MelocoKyoran/streams
>[nijisanji en]
>looks inside
>all streams in jp

Not sure what changed for saba but she's certainly streaming a lot recently. No wonder holodrones are getting nervous and shitposting so hard.

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Reminder the highest share of viewership belongs to Hololive at 32%
Indies are a non-factor.

>>106291104
Holodrones about to never win a gold again

>>106291079
Biggest EN streamer certainly not from phase though

>>106291092
>>there is very little popular enough outside of HoloEN (and ex Holos) to be consisted proper competition
You changed the statement
Seems like you're having trouble with concrete thought

>>106291046
>No one cares
Well apparently Shondo and Bao cares enough to apologize

Do you think it's really a Liggers shitposting or an angry sister because of the Doki and notIke collab (two victims of Elira's clique)?

>>106290924
>>106290949
>>106291104
>>106291122
holy samefag

Why didn't cover make gura sign a longer non-compete?

>>106291098
NijiEN is dead in the native English speaking market for years now, mate.
Their market since 2022 is China and Chinese expat communities until Vox sank Luxiem, then they retreated to whoever gives them the time of the day.

>>106291150
>less than 30s
Holocope

>>106291145
Too bad nobody cares enough to actually watch male vtubers lel

>>106291148
>holodrone
it's the vshojo faggot shitposting again.

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>>106291148
forgot the pic

>>106291148
could be, but liggers proven many times to camp /#/ again and again, it could be both

>>106291179
>all of them were more than 30s
>playing it off in case nobody checks
holy self report

>>106291123
nobody mentioned the phase bogeyman, take your meds. we're talking about your golden girl saba/gura who you lost and now competes against hololive

>>106291129
I’ll assume you agree with the “changed statement” then. If so you and I have no disagreement there

>>106291148
Elira did nothing wrong are you really gonna trust doki

>>106291178
just look at Nimi and Vesper and you will see that you are the one in the wrong.

>>106291190
Shondo would be glad to see your post but too bad she is in the hospital over this shit that no one cares about

>>106291221
>your golden girl saba
post merch

>>106291197
Nijincel use "holodrone" too now
For example, this Nijisis tries to make us believe that you can't post on 4chan with your phone>>106291179

>>106291221
Not a good competitor, though, she has lost more Golds than she has won since July.

>>106291209
/#/ is just the overall /vt/ general, anyone who wants to discuss anything for any reason comes here.

>>106291232
>Elira did nothing wrong
I know, it was mostly you Millie. But she got you hired so that's pretty bad.

>>106291273
due to holoraids and botting
she's the only natty streamer in EN

>>106291229
Yes
The mental gymnastics Hololive fans go to to make them look good is hilarious

>>106291255
Ok, i don't watch shondo lol

>>106290877
It is so funny watching these retards dig a deeper hole in real time

Numbers: The most popular indie had 0.47% of vtuber viewership in Q3 2025. Hololive had 32.0%.

if you need a raid to win a gold you didn't actually win a gold

>>106291292
>>106291264

>>106291295
you watching shondo or not has nothing to do with the post tho

I don't get it the non-holo vtubing market is actually so much bigger then why have people been seething about holo and trying to tear it down for the past 5 years? Why do people still beg them to share the mountain?

>>106291375
They're a lower calibre of person in every way.
Worse taste, less money, loser mentality, their vtubers aren't as happy to be around them etc etc

Jesus Christ, Gigi is Fujo Prime, no one even comes close

>2 out of 3 vtuber fans dont watch hololive
Who are they watching?

Man i'd love to fuck fubuki

>>106291264
>>106291321
i'm not even a saba fan myself, i'm merely acknowledging the fact that she's a behemoth in EN vtubing and she (as gura) is the most popular vtuber of all time (5M subs)
Subs are the canon unit of popularity and that's why youtube gives you awards for them.

>>106291422
>their vtubers aren't as happy to be around them etc etc
As someone who has be everywhere the most parasocial towards chat are indies by far, you don't get the same thing in Holo

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>>106291375
Because tavi like holo song

>>106291444
>5M subs

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>>106291315
Very successful indeed... now back to being a runt until the next ark event

>>106291444
>i'm not even a saba fan myself
>Holo vs ex Holo
yeah of course, faggot :)

>>106291485
ALWAYS
THE
SAME
FUCKING
PEOPLE

>>106291462
Its in your best interest to believe that but your opinion is of lower value and frankly its weird that you're replying to me.

>>106291514
>Its in your best interest to believe that
how?

Outside Holo these are the biggest vtubers Ironmouse,Shylily, and Vedal. Results are from vtuber category in the streamer award.

>>106290714
Asks the anon slurping garlic...

>>106291504
it's the liggerBR aka the nijiBR(who likes homostars too)

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>>106290676
>nobody looks for streams there
>youtube gaming almost as big as twitch gaming
Add vod views and they are pretty much equal and twitch is bleeding viewers by the month
Also 30% of YouTube users watch streams daily

Is there really an army of holodrones who dig through the reddit and twitter history of anyone who says anything they don't like?
and then try to brag about this?
discount kf hours

>>106291481
All these new originals are kinda shit but I was expecting more views from biboo given that Ludokano usually gets a ton of views, and the song is brainworm-y
Mori leading is expected since her song is an OP for a popular anime

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>>106291538
To avoid the reality that only Hololive has quality.
Don't reply to me again.

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Alright GG mengen has been at 1.2k for a while now, so that's probably the peak
IIRC about the same as last time

>>106290079
are people really giving tens of thousands of dollars to chuubas per stream?

>>106291575
Yes, welcome to the phililpines

>>106291586
Better than Nimi

>>106291582
>quality
having to wait forever to get perms (if you even can) is quality?

>>106291512
flip, phase, or both

>>106291582
You know I can watch Hololive vtubers right, nobody is stopping me
If you want vtubers who are happy to be around their fans, indies are where it's at

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>>106291637
>If you want vtubers who are happy to be around their fans, indies are where it's at
Fuck you I can hear you laughing from here while you wrote this

>>106291576
Dunno who your comparing to, Biboo is not known for songs and its doing pretty well for her. Raora, she should be happy with anything she gets.

>>106291655
you shouldnt use AI to make stuff like this

>>106291617
The only game the girls could have permission for is Pong and they would make better content with it than your oshi could with the resources my girls currently have.

>>106291576
>for a popular anime
ehh is it? from what I've seen it's much more popular overseas than in japan where it's pretty under the radar

>>106291637
there is not a single indie in existence that likes being around their fans more than koyori

>>106291575
>>106291610
sameBRowning sanchez

>>106291662
If you watch indies you can literally sext your oshi on Discord if you pick the right one

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>>106291586
Wait hold up, 1.3k!

>>106291692
That's not being happy that's just being desperate to earn some money to survive

Soya had to work an extra job for fuck's sake

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It's crazy that the Elira's clique bullied this guy to the point of making him leave

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>>106291714
Depends who it is

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>>106291575

What's above giga? We desperately need a new mega giga holosongs mix

>>106291576
Biboo's pretty good though

>go out for 2 hours
>nijibrowns are still seething and deflecting
nijiEN LOST, HARD

>>106291742
>>106291678
so this is really what you brown people do all day?

>>106291315
you guys have scared this guy into hiding his posting history

>>106291806
please put on a tripcode so I can filter you

Holy melty
What set them off this time?

isn't cover corporation something like half the market cap of that other company? sounds like they're not as successful as you claim (the market is the true test of value)

>>106291840
>>106291205
probably the ike doki collab

>>106291766
Tera?

>>106291823
Its doing well though brazilian schizo.

>>106291667
It's from a members stream, sometimes she allows herself to be wife during members streams

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>>106291840
Something about to happen? Surely Bao burning isn't that big a deal.

Reminder Hololive is Christcoded and those who feel the impulse to hate Hololive are being led by demonic entities.
In other words, schizophrenia induced by rejecting God

>>106291796
You gonna cry about it?

>>106291481
I don’t like her song at all but I still feel bad for Raora. I hope she understands her music will never be popular

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>>106290847
Yep, that's another Indie yab. I'm thinking tomorrow or Thursday a new google dockie. What do you think?

>>106291899
You know I found out recently that Korone does ear licking ASMR for members. Lucky fuckers

>>106291945
>japanese pagan company is christcoded
?

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>>106291945
picrel

>>106291796
You're brown and latinx.

>>106291934
Clearly you haven't mentally broken chimp

>>106290079
You really are number 4

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I added the number of hours.

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christcoded japanese be like

>>106292016
Honestly? BTFO.

Koyori's voice and model reeks of sex

>>106292042
>889 hours
Oh my God bruh

>>106291560
IRyS not only has a heart eyes toggle, she turned it on. Irysocrats are cooked. Maybe even gooked.

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>>106291945
AIIIIEEEEEEE

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>posting christians being killed
>proving his point

>>106292042
>MichiMochievee
>TW+YT
streamcharts gets worse every time I look at their posts

the only Christian country in east asia is ironically korea

>>106292071
I find her laugh kinda erotic

>>106292042
>michii and deme steams more than 8 hours per day on average
Jesus Christ get a life

>>106292042
>Michi
>twitch+YT
Is it counting both?

>>106292042
SEAchi killing herself for a lick of relevancy not even Ironsleep can compete with those hours

>>106291118
How can you say that when objectively Ironmouse sold out her show and AFO had empty seats?

>>106292042
>Vedal is within 10% of biboo for hours watched / hours streamed.
>8479 vs 7988
Is Vedal the Dark Horse of Vtubing?

>>106292126
No one even knows who this mouse is.
Bae is a rat.

>>106292126
Fuck you I can hear you laughing from here while you wrote this

>>106292042
Quality over quantity
This is why watch hours is a meme metric you can be a 1 view streaming for 100 hours and still get 100 watch hours compared to chuuba who gets 100 viewers streaming for 1 hour

>It's Ironmouse Seethe Hours

>>106292042
>889
>840
Jfc...

>>106292162
>the only ACTUAL _VIRTUAL_ tuber is not a virtual tuber
huh? If anything it's everyone besides vedal who isn't an actual vtuber but just a disgusting fleshbag LARPing as one.

Vedal has the Philosophical Highground.

>>106291615
Not even true lol

>>106292088
There is nothing objective about your endless seethe, let me give you actual objective facts, you are:
>Brown
>A leaguenigger
>From the third world
>Having Biboo in your head 24/7

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>>106291978
christianism invites the foreign

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Hm?

>>106292152
quantity is good but twitch = sleeping streams.

>>106292263
Oh I want to cover Vivi's butt with semen alright

>>106292106
Everything about her is erotic

>>106292263
nnnnnnnnn?

>>106292281
+ reaction slop

I am forever in love with my oshi
https://youtu.be/OOO4ROO_sPM

>>106291672
>he doesn't know
Its more popular than doraemon and one piece right now
Someone post the numbers

>>106292204
>Yagoo is married
So holofags are supporting a married MAN… holy cucked

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>>106292081
This image strongly implies Matsuri is Judas

>>106292316
>>106292379
cute

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>Phasefan give money to Pippa
>Not Pipaa buy Nimi merch
>Phasefan support Nimi's husband
Right?

>>106292081
Idolatry is a big no
So you're saying sora is the second coming of jesas

>>106291665
>Biboo is not known for songs and its doing pretty well for her
This is a pathetic cope. When you are the most popular talent you get views on your songs regardless (like Miko and Pekora did before getting their albums and sololives)

>>106292433
They are natural born cucks they can't help it

hey janny you missed the homo spammer

>>106292433
>Free shipping
Nimi is so much better than Hololive it’s crazy

>>106292493 (me)
checking again you missed lot of schizos/schizo

>>106292463
Anon Jesus didn't die so when he comes back it will be the same person

>>106292466
>Biboo
>most popular talent
Not even the most popular Advent lol Fuwawa, Mococo, and even Nerissa mog her

>>106290348
This would maybe have had some weight had you Phase fans not spent two weeks spamming about how one girl from your new gen would incline until she's holo levels.
You can't change your mind now.

>>106292466
Shes not the most popular, thats the schizo brownoid wars you have about her /here/ 24/7. She is doing pretty well for herself though.

>>106292476
They have something in common with Vox fans

Jannies are awake, thank fuck

>>106292232
>vtwitchers needing thousands of viewers from raids and bots and hundreds more hours streamed to compete with a a middling Holo
yeah VTubing is dead outside of Hololive

Why is the bibooschizo having a melty?

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I'm just gonna say it; I'm one of the few who never actually into any of Gigi ships cause she's so entrenched in fujoshit and being too preoccupied with being giga fujo prime that I can't even suspend my disbelief long enough to enjoy her ships