that's why you don't oshi a company

>>106313242
>acting surprised when the original nijiniggers are evil
How new?

>>106313242
there’s no such thing as a nijiJP fan, they just want the EN branch gone because it’s been nothing but dead weight dragging the company’s name through the mud

>>106313242
have these people not watch ike and selen collab? he acted exactly like he did back then, and somehow they are disappointed he is somehow different? tf?

>>106313374

OP here. The niji worshippers in Japan are even more blind than I thought, it's infuriating.

literally everyone is defending niji and blaming xandu/doki even on twitter it's baffling.

>>106313448
aint like they can do anything about it, there are overseas and won't interact much with the JP scene anymore

>>106313448
niji has like a 2:1 ratio of women to men
they are kpop stans as well
this should tell you all you need to know for why they act like this

>>106313242
NijiJP fans have harassed VTubers like few others

>>106313242
>because he's causing the current niji livers like millie to get hate
WTF?! I LOVE Ike now!!!

nijiniggers gonna nijinigger

>>106313242
oh jeez these comments are actually hilarious.

>>106313242
I saw a few comments saying, "I think there's just a difference between western and japanese culture" or "I saw the comments overseas and they're the opposite of here, lol"
I hope the ones that claim they won't deal with him again actually keep to that.

>>106314727
>I saw the comments overseas and they're the opposite of here, lol
Oh hey just like us

>>106314727
>thinking nijiniggers aren't going to continue to blame ex-nijis for the misdeeds of active nijis
lol, lmao

>>106314727
The difference being that in west people don't jump everytime to lick company boots

>>106313448
It's the difference between Westerners who believe Saint Dookie without a shred of evidence and JP which has experienced people like Sio, Mikeneko, Meiro etc. and learned you can't trust these kinds of people.

>>106313242
lmao

>>106315755
>The difference being that people in the west only jump to lick Hololive's boot
FTFY

>>106315872
>dookie

you tried

>>106316346
Mandatory holo out of nowhere

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yeah ike's been officially disowned by the nijien jp fans

>>106313242
>those jp comments
Is the JP audience really this cucked?

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>>106313242
>Nijinigger channel
You didn't even try at all, did you?

>In the west, more people are low IQ and dramafags who are happy to start an harassment campaign against people because of accusations made with no evidence while ignoring evidence against them

>In the east, more people are high IQ and aren't as rabid, so they accept evidence that proves innocence happily and are critical of blatant attacks at multiple people's reputation

Who'd have guessed it?

>>106316715
>almost every single ex-liver agreeing about the state of things in Niji, including one's who defended it whilst in the company
>backed up by screenshots of DMs, leaks, the company's own public actions
vs
>millie telling people nothing is wrong, everything is fine
>enna telling people not to dig for the truth
>nijisisters repeatedly trying to shut down any discussion at all about issues
kek

>>106316803
>almost every single ex-liver agreeing about the state of things in Niji
Can you show me where Pomu, Rosemi,Nina, Mysta, Yugo, Fulgur, Kyo, Kotoka, Hex, Vivi or Kunai have said that they were bullied in the company and posted a Google dockey smearing the livers?

>>106316706
I doubt anyone else in Japan cared enough to clip it

>>106316803
owned them!

>>106313448
Probably the worst thing about Japanese culture is their blind militant allegiance to corporations
They don't just lick boots, they suck on them

>>106316966
>T. Hololive bootlicker defending Yagoo calling Haachama's abusive parents to throw her in the Looney bin

>>106316520
kek, people actually get this fucking obsessed over company there? No fucking wonder they have shitty work culture

>>106317052
>My smear campaign isn't effective in Asian countries? WAAAAAAHHHH

>>106316873
>pomu
Frequently talked about how shit her time in the company was, to the point you sisters now attack her whenever she appears on the catalog. Whenever I pop into /NijiEN/ I see you all shitting on her.
>Nina
Again, infamously has repeatedly talked about how awful her time in "Hollywood" was and how disgusting sisters behaved towards her, as well as mentioning how the rest of Ethyria left her feeling left out
>Mysta
Infamously called nijisisters "freaks" and said he was happy they no longer followed him. Talked about issues with management
>Yugo
Has on at least one occasion mentioned how they had issues with management
>Kyo
Has also mentioned issues with management, and also another one who said how disgusting nijisisters are towards the livers
>Vivi
Spoke before she'd even graduated about how she's completely ignored in the company, no assistance given to her. Said "the suits upstairs" barely know she exists.
>Kunai
Has made multiple veiled references to issues with management, including being told to lie about the fact she doesn't have a father. Also said she made more in her first merch run as Sunny than she did in her entire time at Niji

>>106317122
>smear campaign
NijiEN smear themselves in shit lmao.
Im bringing back a year and a half dead horse, if NijiEN gave doki an amiciable exit, none of this shit would have happen

>>106317146
Vivi was the only one doing any positive representation of NijisanjiEN for a good while last year, that makes this double painful

>>106316715
>>In the east, more people are high IQ and aren't as rabid, so they accept evidence that proves innocence happily
Weird, so why can't they accept Doki's proof of innocence?

>>106317052
The NijiEN sisters get their mindset and tactics from the original JP sisters, and the JP ones are even more tribalistic and insane than the ENs. Never forget, Nyfco (which had hard dox of some HoloJPs, including attempts to pinpoint exactly where they are at different times) was mainly used by JP nijisisters originally.

>>106317122
>smear campaign
She left and immediately moved on
There was no smear campaign except for the one Nijisanji tried to push against Selen.
Doki has said and done nothing towards them.

>>106317122
do not speak for me, niji acolyte

>>106317146
>Pomu: Has to pull shit out of his ass because Pomu never said anything negative about the members. Still no attacks on current livers

>Nina: brings up something she said while she was in Niji that she herself said wasn't the case anymore in the same clip. Still no attacks on current livers

You're really bad at this

>Mysta: Still nothing about him being bullied by talents in the company and willfully leaves out him defending Niji now. Still no attacks on current livers
Pathetic

>Yugo: just blatantly makes shit up
LOL. Still no attacks on the current livers

>Kyo: Another one where you make shit up. Still no attacks on the current livers

>Vivi: Said while in Niji. Nobody paid it much mind. Still no attacks on current livers

>Kunai: leaves out the part where she said she agreed to play a character so it was her fault. Make believes that making more money off merch as an indie than in a corpo where she barely had merch is unexpected. Still no attacks on current livers

Wow. You're really bad at this

>>106317229
Ok. Where's the proof she was bullied and didn't blackmail anyone?

>>106317374
>WAAAH, YOU JUST MADE IT UP
You know these things are true, I know they're true, you know I know they're true. You're doing the usual sister tactic of claiming ignorance and/or making outlandish claims so that it results in a 100 long reply chain bumping the thread off the board. Not falling for it. There'll be more graduations, more livers talking about how shit Niji is, and each time you're going to have to expand effort trying to convince people they shouldn't believe their lying ears.

>>106317395
>proof she was bullied
Blackframe stream. Timed to go live directly as she was streaming.
>blackmail
Where's the proof she blackmailed anyone?

>>106317497
>Yugo definitely shit on the company uhhh somewhere in there
>Kyo did too. Somewhere
Kek. All of that and not a single piece of evidence of any of these people writing a Google dockey to attack the livers. I accept your concession

>>106317551
And I accept yours, sister. Looking forward to the next time a liver graduates and you try to loop arguments again, even though people are wise to your little tactics at this point.

Wonder who it'll be next time. :)

>>106317534
>It was timed so they could bully her by defending themselves!
Prove it
>Where's the proof she blackmailed anyone?
Nijisanji wrote in the notice that Selen threatened to make public harassment accusations against the company if they didn't give her what she wanted. After she is fired, she immediately drops public harassment accusations against the computer

>>106317395
there's no direct evidence of jack shit on either side other than management hating her
but there's plenty of circumstantial evidence that many livers got bullied
and it is certainly easier to believe that a fat chink got bullied in HighSchoolTheaterKidCorpTM versus selen being some 6000iq mastermind who planned to blow up nijiEN from the inside just for the hell of it

>>106317578
>Prove it
Her schedule was up for days before they announced the blackframe screen.
>threatened to make public harassment accusations
Yes, usually if an employer refuses to deal with serious internal issues it tends to escalate, either to a regulator (which doesn't exist for vtubing), whistleblowing to the media (no real established media in vtubing) or making things public. That's not blackmail.

>>106317683
>Her schedule was up
That's not proof they intentionally overlapped her, retard

>That's not blackmail.
Threatening someone with a public criminal accusation if they don't do what you want isn't blackmail now? You know she could have just sued or went to the police, right? She didn't just want it dealt with. She made demands using threats

All their foreign branches blew up due to the incompetent or malicious management and they still believe everything is all right with the company. One problem can be dismissed, but it's pretty much a rule at this point.

>>106317608
>there's plenty of circumstantial evidence
So no evidence
>DO YOU THINK SELEN IZ MASTURMIND
No. Blackmailing someone when you've conditioned your fanbase to be slack jawed retards who do whatever you say is usually pretty effective. See any celebrity case involving false accusations

>>106317797
>That's not proof
Yes it is.
>threatening an employer that issues will be escalated if those serious issues aren't dealt with isn't blackmail?
No, hope that helps.

>>106317878
A schedule existing is not proof that everyone has seen it, retard

>Blackmail is the crime of coercing someone into giving you money or other valuable things by threatening to reveal damaging secrets, accuse them of a crime, or injure their reputation

Here's your definition, SEAman. Brush up on that English

>>106313242
I don't get it, instead of crying here/on Twitter, why not watch literally anything else that's actually enjoyable?
It doesn't has to be the collab (even though it was kino).

Don't you love it when there is more evidence that support doki, and that no substantial drama has happened to doki that sisters have nothing to bring up when argueing, you love to see it

>>106313242
This is actually pretty fascinating to me. I guess it's because it's easy for EN viewers to understand what's going on, while the JP viewer's can't tell and have to rely on word-of-mouth. It's like Plato's cave. The statements they both gave don't bad-mouth or blame Niji or it's members at all. Xandu just said something like "regret" which is vague and still doesn't really place any blame on anyone. But the comments all seem to be taking this as a 100% attack on Nijisanji.

Some of the more sane Google-translated comments I found:

>EN運営はもうJPに統合してもらった方が安心できる、採用基準と運営の体制両方に問題があるとしか思えない
>I think it would be safer if EN management was integrated into JP. I can't help but think there are problems with both the hiring standards and the management system.

>欧米人とアジア人は文化が違うんだなって思ったよ
>I think Westerners and Asians have different cultures.

>誰か全容を教えてくれませんか?海外の人と日本の人でコメントの内容が違いすぎて、何が何だかわかんなくて!
>Can someone please tell me the whole story? The comments from overseas and Japanese people are so different that I don't know what's going on!
>普段ENなんか全く見てないくせににじさんじが叩れてるからお気持ちしてるJPファンと
>普段から追ってて運営の度重なる失態と冷遇で不満を溜めに溜めて、演者の大量離脱と抜けたほぼ全員がにじさんじを嫌ってる事実でいよいよ呆れて大量離脱して売上6割減させたENファン
>どっちに共感できる?って話なだけ
>本当にそれだけ
>抜けたやつが言ってる内容自体は全部真偽不明だと思っていい
>JP fans who don't even watch EN normally but are upset because Nijisanji is getting bashed, and
>EN fans who follow the channel all the time and have been frustrated by the management's repeated blunders and mistreatment, and then finally got fed up with the mass exodus of performers and the fact that almost everyone who left hated Nijisanji, leading to a 60% drop in sales.
>Which side do you sympathize with more? That's all it is, really.
>You can assume that the truth of everything the people who left are saying is unknown.
>冷静なご説明ありがとうございます、、!
>Thank you for your calm explanation!

>>106317926
Yeah, they just coincidentally decided to counter-programme at the exact time she did her first gaming stream. Sure thing. No one believes that, even you don't.
>definition
Yeah great, except the termination document doesn't state what the "negotiations" were about. Doki stated what she was asking for was to simply graduate - ie. early amicable contract termination. That's not blackmail.
>SEAman
I don't know why you sisters deflect like this so much when we all know you're all SEAs and Pakistanis.

>>106317974
woman

>>106318035 (me)
>正直ENは名前は分かるけど好きなライバーが絡んでたら見る程度で、推しと仲良くしてくれてるからみんな良い人っていう風に思っていた。だから彼女の卒業騒動の事に付いてはどちらにも落ち度や誤解、思い込みがあって、それに対して運営や残留しているライバーが説明や釈明をしたことで彼女を悪者にしようとする流れが一部の人達の間で生まれてしまった事を彼は後悔していたんじゃないかなって勝手に思っている。あの頃は彼や残ってる仲間達に火の粉が降り掛かっていたし、それを払う為に、仲間達を守る為に行動したけど、彼女も仲間であったことは変わらないし、齟齬に気付いて謝りたいと思うことがあってもおかしくないと思う。
>結局私も推しと絡んでいる時に見た彼らの姿を信じていて、楽しいエンタメを提供してくれたことに感謝しているからこそその行動や発言に悪意が有るとは思いたくない。人間は矛盾した生き物だから対立したとしても、その心根の部分に相手を傷付けているという想いがあるから謝罪する。そういう事をしたんだと思いたい。
>ただ再び在籍しているENライバー達に火の粉が降り掛かってしまうかもしれない。それが心配です。
>どちらも批判されることなく、正しく問題が解決されることを望みます。
>To be honest, I know EN's name, but I only watch it if my favorite liver is involved, and I thought they were all good people because they were friendly with their idol. So when it came to her graduation scandal, I think he regretted that both sides were at fault, misunderstandings, and assumptions, and that the explanations and clarifications given by the management and the remaining livers created a trend among some people to make her the bad guy. At the time, he and his remaining friends were under fire, and he acted to put an end to it and protect his friends, but she remains a friend, and I think it's not strange that he would realize the discrepancy and want to apologize.
>In the end, I also believe in the image I saw of them when they were interacting with my idol, and I'm grateful for the fun entertainment they provided, so I don't want to think that their actions and words were malicious. Humans are contradictory creatures, so even if we are in conflict, we apologize because deep down we know we've hurt the other person. I want to think that's what they did. However, I am worried that the repercussions may fall on the EN Livers who are still with the company.
>I hope that the issue will be resolved properly without criticism from either party.

>あなたのコメントをみて気持ちが少し落ち着きました。
>この情報が出た途端、そんな人間だとは思っていなかった、全部嘘だったんだという意見ばかりが流れてきました。
>裏切られたという気持ちが分からないことはないけれど、今までの思い出をなかったことにはできず、すぐには切り替えれなかったので、なぜこうなったのかはっきりと分からない中でも、双方の事情を理解しようとしてくれる方がいてとても嬉しいです。
>表で話すな、裏で解決しろとの意見が多いですが、こればっかりは文化の違いとしか言いようがない気もします。
>元から転生自体の考え方や転生後の関わり方もかなりオープンですからね…。
>稚拙な文、自語りすみませんでした。
>残されたEN達が辛い立場にならないよう、解決されることを私も望んでいます。
>Your comment helped me calm down a bit.
>As soon as this information came out, all the opinions that flowed were that they never thought he was that kind of person, and that it was all a lie.
>I can understand the feeling of being betrayed, but I couldn't just forget the memories that had happened and I couldn't move on from it right away, so I'm very happy that there are people who are trying to understand both sides' circumstances, even though they don't know exactly why it happened.
>A lot of people are saying that we shouldn't talk about it openly and that we should resolve it privately, but I feel like this is just a cultural difference.
>To begin with, people's views on reincarnation itself and how to interact with others after reincarnation are quite open...
>Apologies for the immature writing and talking about myself.
>I also hope that this issue is resolved so that the ENs left behind don't have to be in a difficult position.

>>106318174 (me)
These comments all seem to be pointing out that the comments in this video are way out of proportion:

>彼のことは大好きだったし、ここまでにじさんじENで起きた問題や彼のこれまでも追って見てきた上でこの翻訳動画見た。
>この動画を見てもちろんショック受けたんだけど、正直周りの人みんな叩きすぎてて怖い。まじで袋叩きやん。ファンだったからこそ裏切られて悲しい気持ちとかがあるんだろうなと思うけど、本当にファンなのか疑うくらいの手のひらのかえしようで驚きが隠せない。
>I really like him, and after following all the issues that have occurred with Nijisanji EN and his past, I watched this translated video.
>Of course I was shocked when I saw this video, but to be honest, it's scary how everyone around him is criticizing him so much. It's like a complete gang attack. I'm sure he feels sad and betrayed as a fan, but I can't hide my shock at how he has turned his back on me, to the point where I wonder if he's really a fan at all.

>この方達や起きた出来事はざっくりしか知らないけど、特別批判的な意見はなさそうなのに砂かけって言われているのはなんでなんだろう。ざっくり友達とかに例えたら「あの噂を信じてたけど、間違っていたところもあった。その判断ができていなかった。本当に申し訳ない。安定してきたから話しかけてみて、もう一回友達として…」みたいな感じじゃないの?
>I only have a cursory knowledge of these people and the events that occurred, but I wonder why they're being called "sand throwing" even though there doesn't seem to be any particularly critical opinions. If you were to roughly compare it to a friend, it would be something like, "I believed those rumors, but I was wrong in some ways. I wasn't able to make that judgment. I'm really sorry. Now that I'm feeling better, I'll talk to you and we can be friends again..."

>本当にごめん。
>なんでみんなが、彼が会社の悪口を言った、かつての仲間を裏切った、となっているかわからない。
I'm so sorry. I don't understand why everyone thinks he spoke ill of the company and betrayed his former colleagues.

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>>106316520
>this whole pattern is too common
>using former agencies -> reborn -> collaborating with ex-colleagues -> badmouthing them non-stop
Meanwhile the ex-holos engage in literally no public drama or ex-corpo bashing save for the literally crazy Rushia, and Kson, the latter of which never targetted Hololive. I wonder why...

>>106318300
I was surprised at the gap in perception between JP and EN when doing my own reading on the Selen incident too. Funnily enough, the comments on Yahoo Finance seemed to be the most sympathetic to the EN POV, though the votes might have been influenced by it being posted on this board during the incident.
JP just sees the copyright thing as much bigger than EN does, and suicide attempts doesn't seem to be as big of a deal to them. I think these two differences in value perception are the biggest factors in the rift in how Doki is perceived in both spheres. Oh, and EN didn't give a shit about the fact that the CEO came out personally to apologise, but JP valued it a lot, especially since it was for a "side" branch and not even the main JP branch

>>106318586
Riku apology might had some value in EN if black screen stream didn't happen just before it. That stream completely invalidated his apology.

>>106318855
I thought so too, but JP also doesn't seem to understand why the black stream irreversibly turned opinion against Niji either, so the impact was lost on them. They also didn't have the context of worsening public opinion towards Niji from stuff like Pomu grad and unicorn seethe

>>106318975
>unicorn seethe
Eh, that was mostly external, unless you mean gachi seethe.

>>106318043
>they just coincidentally decided to counter-programme at the exact time she did her first gaming stream.
Yes. You attempting to add as many unimportant details will never not make two streamers streaming at 8:00 PM not be a coincidence

>Doki stated what she was asking for was to simply graduate
Whatever that means. She also didn't ask for a graduation until two months after she was suspended which means she was negotiating other things before that too. Either way, still blackmail.

>NO U
I accept your concession

It seems like most harassment in the west and east are always from nijifags/women. Because women always try to frame their outrage in some "moral" way when it's schizo parasocial shit reheated.

>>106319033
yeah gachi would be closer to what I meant, sorry. the point is that they alienated some of the most hardcore elements of their fanbase in the west, so they didn't really have any strong defenders either

>>106318300
https://x.com/112adoy/status/1985568146661744902
they’re interpreting it as Ike turning on his friends. I keep seeing jp tweets about his oh so emotional concert moment. I don’t think they know about the reveal he was also being bullied.

>>106318300
>>106318586
JP has a different cultural attitude, but I wonder if they're being fed info selectively from NijiEN fan sources. They might only look at "friendly" sources and leave it at that.

>>106318975
I was right when i assumed because ike cried at overture this just comes as psychopathic (i don’t know why that was never discussed in all these drama threads) also yes jp fans literally assume every ex en menhera is rushia

>>106319241
Comes offas *

>>106317146
Seriously, using Pomu for this when nijisanji straight up traumatized her is crazy and that is common knowledge compared to the rest who are barely discussed outside /nijien/.

>>106313242
Nijiniggers forma JP are female and a blend of chink/sea. Niji has 0 presence in Japan for a reason it's all immigrants.

>>106313242
Fuck Nippasani “crinkles water bottle”

why do japs worship corporations?

>>106317374
>Pomu never cried about anykuro taking the opportunity of a lifetime from her
Sisturds are pathetic

>>106313448
You fell for the "NijiJP good only NijiEN bad" bullshit some retarded nijinigger keep parroting in this newfag board

>>106319515
They never got over feudalism.

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>>106313242
I DO NOT FUCKING CARE ABOUT NIGGERSANJI

I DO NOT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THIS FUCKING IKE FAGGOT

GET THE FUCK OFF THIS BOARD HOLY FUCK

YOU HAVE KIWIFARMS

>>106313448
Why would you get mad at it? lol just remember that it is mostly women and it will make sense.

>>106319382
>Pomu for this when nijisanji straight up traumatized her
oh come on now mr. white knight.

>>106319545
>Ask for proof of Pomu attacking current livers
>Get crying about mgs instead
Sad

https://x.com/mecchanemui0/status/1985581954151170274
https://x.com/1taro_2222/status/1985599644236431619
https://x.com/Luc4_SdyN_4lbaN/status/1985676559995584575
https://x.com/tyrannozalius/status/1985621586821648490

>>106319658
I wonder who blundered that occasion for her :')
Can't be queen bitch and the flip goblin who are the de facto managers of that dead branch

>>106313242
NIJINIGGERS AND SISTERS SEEEETHE

>>106318368
Its almost as if one is a black company and the other isn't...
It really makes you think

>>106313242
I don’t trust this faggot and this might have been the most performative thing I have ever seen anyone in vtubing do

>>106319186
oh no they know but they just think it's a nothing burger or he's faking it, you could see jp fans in the comments saying 'glad to see these menhera 2 bullied kids () buddy buddy with each other.'

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>>106319186
They genuinely don't know because this stuff was probably never translated and almost definitely never picked up, especially because a Japanese corporation like Nijisanji can influence the Japanese internet far more than they can the English one. Combine those two things together and you've got a pretty easy coverup where the nips don't know things such as "Luca literally does not exist as a person" and "Ike was bothered by how he only existed as an accessory to Vox to fans" and "literally everything to do surrounding Pomu like holy shit they lied to her about fixing a basic clipping issue on her model and delayed her orisong for a fucking YEAR?".

I don't understand why people can't grasp the fact that it is literally just that simple. NijiJP fans do not understand that NijiEN both as a branch of the company and the employees within it are filled with as many problems as they are unless they go actively digging for it, so they don't understand that the "former colleagues being insulted" outright deserve far more vitriol than they gotten. I genuinely cannot think of a single scenario where what Pomu, SPECIFICALLY Pomu, described that would ever be seen as anything but a series of massive marks against the company. There's also going to be angry Luxiemsisters tainting the discussion on any side of the pond though. Christ, I see a comment talking about how "Selen failed to properly pay people for their work for her" and "is actively harassing people associatied with Nijisanji" which is the literal exact opposite of what happened but is a similar talking point you see /here/.

>>106319104
You know it was a deliberate overlapping so I'm not going to bother arguing with you - I know you know it was.
>blackmail
Nope, you don't understand what blackmail is.
>I accept your concession
Whatever makes you feel better SEAsister. :)

>>106319515
>corpos bad
>everyone tries to fuck over their corpo in a way or another, or simply do so for drama points after they leave because a talent can do no wrong therefore everything it says about the corpo is right and justified without proof
>there are no corpos in the western sphere as result
>everyone complains because there are no corpos(particularly indies and aspies)
Both sides are dumb as hell but putting the corpo first means it's harder to fuck over the talents still in the corpo indirectly.

>>106320088
>Selen failed to properly pay people for their work for her
Pay that PC artist, Doki and stop seething here

>>106320184
Kek sister you lost that argument long ago. Even fucking nBinted supported Doki over that.

>>106320184
wah wah pay me 10k for MY work without any proof
holy SHIT, really ?

>>106320311
>Bint
The holobrony troon? KEK
>>106320375
>Without proof
Doki literally used the art and a build as advertisement

>>106320420
Bint Is NDF prime, SEAsters are so brown and dumb that even NDF prime can't stand them

>>106320088 (me)
In fact, let me go even a step further. A common theme in that comment section specifically is "apologizing to your old colleagues", but if you'll notice something, the few ones that do name people by name mention two names. Vox and Elira. Now, I don't need to go into Luxiem basically being EN's only real Japanese fanbase, but I wanna talk about Elira specifically.

First of all, why her? Because of the black stream, obviously.
Second of all, does she even have a sizable Japanese fanbase? Well, no, go on twitter and search her name. She only gets a handful of posts mentioning her name a day and a good chunk of them are just PR.
So then why are people getting mad on her behalf? Well, it's obvious.

She is yet another accessory for fujo's and yumejoshi's complaints. She doesn't matter to Japanese fans. She is, quite literally, not even a person for "her" defenders but simply an instrument for them to use as a "but what about whats her name!" when it comes to a defense of miload. And I feel like that's kind of telling.

>>106320508
Women are largely accessories in nijisanji.

>>106316992
>holo out of nowhere
NIJISEETHE

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Ngl if Finana apologized I'd also forgive her. I'm weak like that.

I don't understand why Japanese people aren't seeing the fall of EN the same as the fall of Sio or Rushia.

>>106313242
Interesting to see them asking him to dogeza at the three remaining Luxiem members but no mention of Mysta. How did JP react to Mysta/Kuro telling his schizos to fuck off?

>>106321493
Their reaction was to say
>we never liked him anyway, and his fans are children

>>106321493
They already hated him from spreading the 2% merch thing

>>106316715
YWNBJ

>>106313242
We don’t care what those lobotomites think

>>106313448
JP niji fans literally bullied Aloe into trying to kill herself lol nobody should be surprised to see how psycho they are.

>>106319628
NIJISEETHE

>>106317146
Calling nijisanji "hollywood" the ego on that bitch

>>106322076
>Holodrone still pretending like anyone buys his elaborate cope
Rormao

>>106322582
meant for >>106317374

>>106317578
>>It was timed so they could bully her by defending themselves!
>Prove it
They straight up changed the start time to match when Doki's Neopets stream went live so she would get caught off guard live in front of everyone watching her. IIRC, she was having some kind of issue and delayed her stream a little to fix it (so she started not at the top of the hour when she was originally supposed to) and, conveniently, the Black Screen Stream ALSO changed their original top of the hour time to match.

It was blatantly obvious Elira was watching Doki's channel and waiting to go live at the same time as her to cause maximum damage.

>>106320088
Its just difficult to hold a good faith discussion with Luxiemsisters because they are quick to downplay or spin a lot of what happened. Yes, Doki could have done a lot more to say and constantly remind people "Please don't harass unrelated talents, they are not involved with this situation at all", but its also not difficult to see why she wasn't motivated in greatly protecting her old corpo considering how they terminated her. You should only put an ex-talent on blast like that if you were to say discover them
>performing literal organ harvesting operations at cons
>using their time at the company as front to smuggle fent into cons
>sexually harassing or physically threatening/abusing other talents
and not the simple infighting it ultimately was. Doki wanted out of her contract, contacted a lawyer who do typical lawyer things to bring attention to the situation, possibly due to differences in legal culture Anycolor freaked the fuck out and tried to weaponize her coworkers against her, and then they gave out 3 separate updates trying to justify their decision in an extremely unprofessional manner. They're even saying now that Ike had no reason to apologize to her, even though it was just him feeling bad for doing an old friend wrong and wanting to make amends.

>>106313519
People like to shit on Holo fans and Phase fans, but dear god Nijisanji got some of the worst fans you could ever ask for - Kpoop stans, self harmers, underage people, corpo dicksuckers of the worst kinds imaginable, genuine doxxers and harassers who actively go after fans and talents alike for daring to attack their glorious company.
Holo and Phase together aren't even close to how vile the Niji fan communities are, a mere drop in the bucket compared. Genuine aids.
I mean, I despise all 3 communities for different reasons and refuse to associate with any of them, but Niji is by far worse than the others.
I'd say the only worse greater community at large is the Spanish vtuber community.

>>106318368
>the latter of which never targetted Hololive
that is bullshit, she may have never used the name but she was clearly talking about cover

>>106313242
all the comments saying they feel so sorry for Vox and he must have PTSD are sending me. It must not come across what an insincere nonce he is through the language barrier

>>106323855
Revisiting that whole situation it's crazy just how fucking stupid and mismanaged it all was, NijiEN would probably be sitting pretty right now if they didn't try so hard to save face with Selen's initial termination announcement. Just a simple "Nijisanji and Selen Tatsuki have mutually agreed to part ways we wish her luck with her future and appreciate the time she spent here" would have raised a few eyebrows but it would have blown over in a month.

He's back in the cabin doing wood working. He doesn't care.

>>106321697
Cope more, EOP

>>106323855
>They straight up changed the start time to match when Doki's Neopets stream went live
Didn't happen. The stream actually started like 20 to 30 minutes after her stream started

>conveniently, the Black Screen Stream ALSO changed their original top of the hour time to match.
Still didn't happen

>>106326075
>Stream started 20 minutes after hers
Check the chat replay mongrel
>They didn't move the black screen time
This is cope

These nijisisters are so demented.

>>106325896
If that information doesn't come across either due to the language barrier or because Vox's yabs purposefully aren't translated, then its probably because they like his deep voice like how people still watch some indies despite their yabs because of huge boobies or because they do GFE content.

>>106313242
are jp fans pretending that they watched him now?

>>106326532
Ike and Shu has a lot of JP watchers since they both speak japanese.

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>>106313242
The Rainbow Cult

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>>106313374
Honestly? I'm not shocked
I thought holoniggers are cold when it comes to treating graduates but for the most part they kept it to themselves.
Nijinigger actually did, in fact, oshi the company.
t. Ex nijifag myself

>>106325936
Niji EN terminations are purposely petty. It worked with Zaion and Twisty. So 2/3 termination defamatory letters worked as intended.

>>106313448
>The niji worshippers in Japan are even more blind than I thought
They literally have no idea what's going on. They do not speak English. They only have secondary sources to go off of.

Dude isn't even online to read their seethe. Even if they did put it in English

>>106317374
Wait, so who exactly made "attacks on current livers?"
Because by your logic, Doki is completely free because she's never mentioned anyone specifically, and has even gone out of her way to either give them excuses or shut down overzealous artists using their likenesses for hate.

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>>106316520

Not a fan of this guy or any of these beta onions male vtubers, but people like to pretend the world is in full globalization mode but nips don't have fucking clue about what goes on in the west. How would they grasp the nuance of schizo vtuber drama? Even the english-speaking nijiniggers are delusional.

>>106335829
>How would they grasp the nuance of schizo vtuber drama?
They don't. It's the same with EOPs and nip chuubas. They either eat up whatever the clipfag subbed and remain oblivious to all the shit that wasn't in it or make assumptions based on fucking nothing.

>>106327845
Only 1/3. They never published any sort of termination notice for Twisty above and beyond a single English tweet. No white paper, no message on the JP twitter account, no nothing.
As far as the JP bros know or care, Twisty never joined Niji EN in the first place.

>>106317578
>Prove it
NTA but anyone actually there at the time knows that they delayed their own stream once they heard Doki was going to be 30-40min late so they could go live at the same time.

>>106317797
>Threatening someone with a public criminal accusation if they don't do what you want isn't blackmail now?
No?
That literally isn't. Niji broke their own contract and as such, Doki was in the right to want it nullified. As Nijisanji refused to play ball, she was entirely within her rights to take it public.
Unlike Nijisanji, Doki had an actual lawyer to consult.

>>106313242
I'm willing to bet that the average Niji JP fan couldn't give a crispy shit and is just watching JP livers as usual.

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>>106313242
I was actually curious so I checked the original stream's comments too.
There are very few JP comments, and most of the ones there are positive. So I'd like to believe the ones who actually cared about Ike are happy to see him back.

On the other, Doki has a very good team of mods so maybe they're working overtime again.