Why did Vtubing stop growing in the west? On average it seems that corpos hard plateaued at 4views (1-9k) in normal streams and so did Twitch indies despite their collabs with mainstream fleshies, why did this happen and how can western vtubers be saved?
It'll boom again when 3D tracking is easy and accurate. There's not much new things you can do with the current tech.
>>106392252Why did your penis stop growing at age 11? Can it be saved?
It's time you learned about the attention economy. 24 hours in a day. 8 for sleep, 8 for work (10 for work if you have the average commute). Leaves six to eight hours for your activity. In order to succeed, you must outcompete every other attention sink in that time period, even eating, having sex, taking care of children, shopping for groceries, talking to friends, etc.Streaming ranks pretty damn low on that priority list. It loses to nearly everything else including just playing video games.
>>106392252The economy sucks
>>106392252Why does everything have to keep growing? A thing that keeps growing without limits is a cancer.
>>106392252I'm sick of all the bullshit of western vtubers. They don't understand the job. It makes me wary of all of them.
>>106393277What is the job exactly?
>>1063922521. The economy is in the trash2. Twitch viewership peaked during COVID because people had nothing else to do and were bored as fuck as well as everyone getting free government money that they'd just splurge on streamers
>>106393346CGDCT
>>106393059All of the current stuff you consider cancer are a result of a declining or stagment market be careful what you wish for.
>>106392252It's still growing slowly, just as a whole / groups (both corpo and indies) instead of individuals.
>>106392252The west stopped growing...
>>106392252The indie scene is still growing. It's just that big streamers are rare in the English internet because the audience demands personalized attention. The English audience is by far the largest and yet there are more JP and Spanish 5view streamers.
did you not notice that the economy is completely fucked
>>106393059Because line must go up so please invest in my AI startup.
>>106392252Explore, exploit. Develop, exploit. There is always a cycle of investment in a medium, followed by a cycle of exploitation. There isn't a real subculture in the west, instead it's all consumerism and celebrity/brand worship. From that perspective and the focus on exploration and development, it competes with everything else. Why spend more time exploring and developing VTubing when there are other income avenues that could also take off with less investment? Exploitation is then restricted to sucking up all of the easy to get pulp and leaving the rest. IT takes too much effort with no guarantees of success. You can see this is true because the formula hasn't evolved, and especially in the west it's restricted to the most basic kinds of content. You could blame greed, but it's also the fans and consumers that enable the situation to continue, rather than encouraging investment into deviations from the optimal grift formula.
>>106392252>Why did Vtubing stop growing in the west?Cultural differences. TL;DR at the bottom.First, you have to separate virtual idol/GFE/CGDCT enjoyers from other vtuber fans who simply treat them as streamers with avatars. The demand for idol-themed vtubers is significantly higher in Japan because of huge idol culture that exists there, and coof lockdowns simply funneled millions of fans to Hololive at the right moment. On the other hand, EN rode the wave of novelty which then fizzled out as more vtubers outside Hololive debuted over the years and cut their CCV in half.Secondly, there are no huge events that would connect content creators like they have in Japan. There's constantly something going on that brings in industry professionals together, and vtubers are rarely left out. Just think of Crazy Raccoon that hosts huge events. They ALWAYS invite voice actors, vtubers, biggest streamers, mangakas, utaites, and every other type of content creators together to play games like GTA, Rust, Minecraft, or various FPS titles. Nothing like that exists in the West. At least not on that scale.Finally, EN vtubers are either very tribal or individualistic. HoloEN rarely collabs with anyone outside Hololive, NijiEN at their peak only allowed few exclusive leeches like Shoto, and VSHOJO, with an exception of ~3 members, relied on their own clique with a few orbiters before everything imploded.I think the first vtuber Minecraft server that basically had no "borders" called VSMP launched in 2023 or 2024, and it was mainly just 2views and 3views. Recently, NijiEN tried something similar on a smaller scale, but it was barely any better considering they're nobodies now.To make things worse, a lot of EN vtubers don't get the concept of urgency in events. They think that if an event is being hosted for 2 weeks, then it's fine to join sometime on the 2nd week or just play for 3 days randomly. Most JP chuubas commit to those type of events, and eventually they build new connections which then often leads to other event invitations. Heck, I remember Kiara complaining about the latest Holo Minecraft server saying something along the lines of how quickly things developed while she was playing random kusoges. Over 4 years being a vtuber and the concept of "2 first weeks are the most popular and clippable when everyone plays" never crossed her mind.tl;drCliques, walled gardens, arrogance, and laziness to organize anything on a bigger scale fucked shit up. EN vtubers live in their own small bubbles, and then the whole EN vtubing lives inside its own bubble separate from everything else.
>>1063922521. there's just to fucking many vtubers2. the actual amount of people that are around to watch isn't growing much if at allbasically the audience keeps getting separated as more and more vtubers come out and the audience available is potentially shrinking as people get lives and cant watch anymore faster then people are gaining free time.
>>106399299Good post
Everyone has a point but the main reason is extremely simple. 1. Idol culture is more popular in Japan. 2. Oversaturation, similar to kpop there will always be hundreds of groups/individuals but in the end only a few idols will be given the spotlight at a time. Just like an idol culture less than half will receive that attention. Usually the popular one's maintain their popularity and it becomes incredibly hard for others to try to enter that scene and very few will end up getting the spotlight.
Economy is fucked. People can't afford to do shit. Even superchatting $5 is not easy for many people.Too many whores in the indie sceneWestern governments introducing ID shit for the internet will also put people off
>>106400401The economy stuff is pure bullshit. You can complain about not being afford to do shit, but everyone can see how luxuries like netflix and doordash'ed food are insanely lucrative.The truth is that vtubing, like streaming, was a covid related bubble that is now deflating. Plus western indies have a human capital problem, outside of hololive it's hard to put faith in them not being awful and or stupid.
>>106400802>pay doordash>get food>pay netflix>get access to content>sc vtuber>"thank you!"
>>106400941Except people are way more willing to overpay an internet celebrity over doordash. Most people don't even tip $5 for doordash and the girls with 3d boobs are getting $100 per day for ugh....being women? i mean there's nothing men love more than women and games put them together booming business. Male tubers are just out of luck.
>>106392252EN fanbase is weak
>>106392252>COVID is over>The novelty is gone>No new innovation to make it novel again>Most streamers are fucking boring and with the novelty factor gone, they are in decline>On the indie side, most of the ones that aren't boring have basically become corporatized to the point of losing the "feel" that made them special in the first place. I'm talking perpetual "HEY GUYS I HAVE SOMETHING SUPER COOL" and it's always merch or a subathon with the same tired goals over and over.
>>106392252The vibes are off. Plus people started seeing many vtubers for what they are - fake personalities caring about nothing but milking money from their viewers with fake "I care about you!" words. It's a mystery for me why so many people in Japan still don't get it.
>>106406514>big announcement!!!
