>>106684893Saloon...
>Would you watch NijiENNo. Simple as.
>>106684893>Enna, Millie, and Reimu in itNo
>>106685001>Reimushe is gone tho
>>106684893why not
>>106685029>Still has Enna and MillieNo
>>106684893I would watch if they could hire a cute nerd like Pomu, Peto, or Rosemi
>>106685338if they had a loli, too…
>>106684893>dogshit rigging>utterly soullessno
>>106685585it isn’t bad
>>106684893>pander to unicorns AND nijiEN fansit's like pissin' on a pile of shit
>>106684893After Zaion, probably not, but maybe I'd have relented after a while.After the blackscreen, 100% not, not ever.
>>106685659Old NijiEN fans can have the guys, while unicorns have the cute girls
>>106685693if their idols become more like their jp branch, i would watch… just want them to mostly speak english so i can understand
>>106685693won’t blame new talents for the sins of the new ones
>>106685781*old ones, so sleepy
>>106685781Why would you not? Anyone joining Nijisanji after the black screen is an immoral person at best, certainly nobody worth listening to or supporting.
>>106685781Yeah but the talents who join now are doing so knowing about what happened to Selen and Zaion and being okay with it.
>>106685818what if they join bc they are a fan of JP tho?
>>106685839What if management changes their policy on bullying, or goes the hololive route and doesn’t let the talents speak to each other, so no more Discord shenanigans?
>>106685839ig it is more up to the company to prove that they have changed, the BY THE BEAT guys seem to be doing well
>>106684893Nijisisters hate male unicorns. When they catch wind of a Nijigirl trying to be unicorn friendly, they repeatedly ask their Nijiboy oshi to collab with her, and you know how much power the Nijiboys wield in that branch and how sexpesty they are. They'd just talk up a storm in the Nijigirls' chat, or crash their Minecraft stream, or use the Niji app to randomly make their model show up on a Nijigirl's stream (reference the Petra & Maria collab where all of a sudden Luca's model appeared on screen and he invited himself into their collab channel).
>>106685876It would mean nothing because the issue still lies primarily with the company for allowing the environment to form and refusing to try to fix it or help the ones in trouble. Just think of Twisty where instead of actually investigating Aster, they just tried to pay her a little hush money, or Ike after the leaks asking to not work with the people who doxxed him, and the staff just going, "UNDERSTOOD!" while forcing him to continue working with them.
>>106685926With the Ike situation, he was able to opt out of the collab. Maybe if they limit the talents being able to talk to each other (outside of streams), there will be less of chance for them to gang up on each other, or be inappropriate.
>>106685971They can't considering Elira's the one who owns the discord they actually talk in, and the ike leaks show them just making their own group chats to gossip and bully the rest anyways. Selen infamously either left or was kicked from elira's discord and started spiraling in isolation, which was very visible in Nina's grad stream, and apparently it didn't help considering her continuing HR complaints were still being ignored.
>>106685876>>106685971Good point, a lot of the issues>Twisty’s model getting leaked by Reimu>Reimu’s drama with Bari>Aster being a sexpest to Scarle and Twisty>Zaion’s miscommunication with FinanaAll of it could be avoided if management handled all of the communication and didn’t let them essentially govern themselves over Discord. Time will tell, but essentially, if Nijisanji has more proactive management and limits the contact between talents, and makes it so that their IPs are only used for professional communication, it would be much better.
>>106686094Maybe management should abolish the Discord then. I am sure there is a way to fix their issues, somehow.
>>106684893>Top right
>>106686144>>Zaion’s miscommunication with FinanaI don't think anything could've solved this.Apparently Zaion reached out after she was terminated to talk with her and they allegedly came to an understanding in that...Only for her to go on stream the next day and scream "ZAION GASLIGHTED ME" Finana's unfortunately just a clout-chasing child who inserts herself into everything if it means she might gain a crumb of attention. Thankfully, it all came crashing down eventually.
Once a whoreAlways a whore
>>106686250Don't talk about your mother like that
>>106686168I think Hololive’s strictness with management is why they are doing better, a lot of talented people unfortunately have issues and are man/woman-children if they aren’t managed properly, talent sometimes comes with an unfortunate personality
>>106684893If they fixed the bullying and internal issues, yes, some of the nijiJP girls are really cute
>>106684893No and that's impossible in NijiEN because sexpests like Luca will complain to management.And even if... Such girls would just end up as harassment target for Nijisisters for pandering to "evil incels".The environment is simply way too toxic for unicorn friendly girl.
>>106686953Some NijiEN female fans might prefer that guys mostly just collab with guys, tooFemale unicorns exist as well, and if NijiEN sets a no communicating outside of work policy, then men won’t have an incentive to be a sexpest to their kouhais
>>106684893>unicorn friendly>NijiEN
>>106684893Scarle is the closest you guys have to unicorn friendly and she is the most paid NijiEN. Does that answer your question
>>106685001This but also Elira. You will be bullied and pressured to cling to the male talents.
>>106687055Is that what happened with Luca and Pomu?
>>106686953yeah the hash brown thing is insane.
>>106687038>this
>>106687038And she averages like 300ccv, so no people don't watch unicorn friendly nijiens
>>106684893i can fix nijisanji, i swear
>>106687111More would if they changed and everything went unicorn, and they got rid of the drama
>>106684893Only if their bully clique is fired
>>106684893>Would you watch EN?no
>>106688040I would if they fix the bullying, I was a huge fan back in 2021-2022 and they were really great then
>>106685652I'm talking about 2D
>>106687010female unicorns in niji are barely a thing, the very few that exist are ridiculed incessantly. what they have are either a. yumes who self-insert as one of the girls and b. fujos who want more guy-only collabs to jill to.neither of them want to have girls who attract gachikoi because in their eyes anybody like that is an incel nerd who kills everything fun and wants them dead and this and that. even when they themselves are far more obsessed the image they have of themselves is heavily distorted.so when it comes to mixed collabs the vast majority of the female fans consider them "necessary" as a sort of sterilization technique to remove these evil germs that would end up being a nuisance for their boys, regardless of whether they enjoy them or not. which yumes do and fujos less so if at all.of course you also have a small group that just wants all the girls gone for good so they can focus on male interactions but again they're a pretty small group.
>>106688187One of the cutest models ever
NijiEN is beyond repair, whatever internal fuckery that happened and is “right now” as far as anything goes, NOT as bad as ALL OF THE ABSOLUTELY, COLOSSAL RETARDATION among some graduated, terminated and active nijisanji En Livers. Nothing can surpass the failure caused by whoever is managing the English branch. That's it. Nijisanji EN has no effective management that could have prevented at least 50% of the shit that happened, going all the fucking way to the early day yabs and dumb SJW takes of Finana.
>>106689250Their last few generations haven’t had drama, not counting Twisty, because it wasn’t her fault
>>106689281The earlier gens seemed to have corrupt people, guys like Ryoma, Doppio, Zeal, Vanta, and Kaelix all seem like decent people.
>>106684893Sure, I don't care about the war and watching is free after all.
>>106689281>not counting Twisty, because it wasn’t her faultCorrect, Twisty should never have been hired into NijiEN. She was damaged goods with her own agenda. Those at NijiEN who accepted her made the situation at the EN branch even worse. The same goes for Aster.
>>106689600They honestly should have canned Aster when he was harassing Scarle, even though she said she forgave him, that behavior is really unprofessional in a work environment. I am saying this as a female who has been harassed in similar ways at work, guys hitting up my work email and then trying to bother me at work, it makes the atmosphere weird and hostile and it should not be tolerated at a job.
>>106685585It's really ironic if you are saying this as a Holobrony.
>>106685846Pull a Matsuri and join elsewhere, while still enjoying them as a fan
Maybe if they are an unhinged GFE coomer like early feesh was.
>>106690893Early Feesh was pure gold, I still remember the egg jokeMan, I miss old Lazulight…
>>106690685If you are a huge fan and they are turning over a new leaf, then why not try?
sonny in japan that/this whole time and he didn't show up in the 3d why
>>106690974I miss when nijiEN was the alt holoEN
no
>>106691275Same
>>106684893>NijiEN>getting any more girls in the futurehaha, joke funny
>>106691875At some point they will need to give boys a new toy to use.
>>106684893There's no way to be in holoEN and be an actual idol, much less unicorn friendly. The moment you're in there you're also collabing with men without fail.
>>106692535*I meant nijiEN of course
>>106684893No. And that’s assuming a female willingly chooses to join a company known for their bullying, sexpesting, and ravenous fujo audience without becoming pseudo-JP.
>>106684893There probably won't be any new girls, and if there are they'll be like Meloco and Klara and just be Japanese who can speak some halting English
>>106692386No they won't need to. The new strategy is to use indies and smaller corpos as their toys. That's what happened with their Minecraft stunt a couple months ago, anyway.
>>106687010A "no communication outside work" rule would be insane, practically unenforceable, and illegal in most jurisdictions.
>>106687038She's also utterly unwatchable if you aren't interested in dono reading and watching the streamer interact with paypigs for most of the stream
>>106684893Purity isn't just about not talking to men or whatever. NijiEN is dirty down to the soul. There is no bleach caustic enough to scour the stains on their character.
>>106684893>girlsSomeone update this faggot.
>>106684893It would take a truly heroic effort by management to actually improve their policies which would have to involve canning several individuals who are a continuous source of problems within NijiEN on top of properly tardwrangling their talents. I don’t see it happening, but if it did, sure, I’d consider watching.
>>106692886Hololive talents have said that they can’t talk to each other. It could be a situation where the talent’s personal contact info is kept private, except for management’s use, and there is no Discord, so they would have to go out of their way to talk.
>>106686144>Twisty model leakUtter fanfiction with no proof>Reimu drama with BariBari, the menhera ex seething that she was called a menhera so she doxxed everyone then accused Reimu of a crime because she called her crazy >Aster sexpesting Scarle and TwistyDrama so fabricated that both of these people never accused Aster of doing anything to them. Scarle has said nothing bad about Aster and Twisty accused him of hitting on her friends with no evidence >Zaion's miscommunication with Finana Zaion's fault Don't see why management shouldn't allow people to speak to each other either. You seem slow
>>106684893Maybe after the rest of Lazulight and Ethyria graduates hahaha. Petra is whatever basically already soft graduated
>>106689850>it should not be tolerated at a job.Neither should women.
>>106693640>I don’t see why management shouldn’t allow people to speak to each otherTo avoid cliques and bullying mostly, the talents shouldn’t be ruling each other in their self-imposed hierarchy, this is management’s responsibility. It is their responsibility to act as the middleman and prevent disasters (of the past and for the future) from happening. Some people in NijiEN are already friends and have each other’s contact info, and that is fine, but the Discord bullying thing is not working.
>>106693882New talents should be able to join the company without worrying about bullying or harassment
>>106693640Not sure if you are a niji apologist, a contrarian or perhaps even reimu herself
>>106693640Even if you believe that every single one of the things is the other person’s fault, wake the fuck up and see how it looks to other people. If the company is ever going to heal, something has to change.
>>106693882I don't know what kind of dystopian government you live in under but companies can't control who you choose to talk to. >Discord bullying Most pathetic thing that faggots pretend exist. Gonna cry if you're not let in a group chat? >>106693966Nijisanji is the most successful vtuber corpo right now by a long shot. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>106694103NijiEN is not the most successful
>>106694135NijiEN is not it's own company. It's a branch of Nijisanji
>>106694169But, isn’t a branch as important as the rest of the company? I, as a fan of Nijisanji talents, want the EN branch to get better. I don’t want to open YouTube and see them get mocked constantly. It makes the whole company look bad… though I know JP bros don’t really care, but for a lot of the globe that speaks English, it looks hella bad, bro
>>106684893Good jokeThanks for the chuckle
>>106685846JP is even worse
>>106694103>choose to talk toye, it should be a choice, people should be able to opt out of the discord if there is bullying
>>106694103Only if you are a mongoloid basing relevance and success on stocks. Three of the four most watched vtubers this year are holos.
>>106694356with bullying?
>>106694378if people want to exchange contact info outside of work, that is on them, but all of the stuff that happens on the en discord and on company grounds, is a liability for the company - people should also be free to only communicate through management and collabs if they feel safer doing that
Only a Nijisister deals in absolutes.
>>106685839And also Twisty, in the case of female applicants.>>106686223>Apparently Zaion reached out after she was terminated to talk with her and they allegedly came to an understanding in that...>Only for her to go on stream the next day and scream "ZAION GASLIGHTED ME"Management spoke to Finana in the interim though. They likely "informed" her that Zaion lied to her, and likely also "recommended" that she Think About Her Future™ before basing any decisions on the receipts Zaion shared with her.
Good luck to the Niji staff that made this thread. Just listen to Aia and Scarle. And get rid of those Mean Girls.
>>106694378They do? Selen would join and leave discord servers all the time, she even opted out on talking to new debuts by not joining the server >>106694391>He thinks it's just stocks Their profits are a symbol of success and Nijisanji is damn near tripling Hololive. Number apes focusing on CCV are the only ones who think Hololive is number 1>>106694440>Company grounds The group EN discord was made by the members and people choose to join it. Don't know how you retards pretend like they're forced to interact with people >>106694219It's called a branch for a reason. It is a part of the company but is not more important than the main branch. You will not see them get mocked constantly on YouTube if you are not a dramafag
>would you watch unicorn friendly vtubers in the sekuhara std infested orgy company? Do you want me to sit on the corner chair too?
>>106693640weird reimu seethe out of nowherego back into hiding
>>106696423>They do? Selen would join and leave discord servers all the time, she even opted out on talking to new debuts by not joining the server>join and leave discord servers all the timeHow would you know this? We know she left Elira's server, but her joining discord servers all the time is completely new information that she's never mentioned before.
>>106697562She said so. To leave a server, you'd have to join it in the first place, retard. And apparently there were multiple
>>106697562>We know she left Elira's serverThis never happened either. The only thing she ever mentioned was not joining the pre-debut server to meet new hires because she was too shy/busy.
>>106697632No, that's different. As far as we know, the only discords that existed were Elira's server and the official niji server. Selen left Elira's server, but she's never mentioned anything about joining any others. Again, how do you know this? Do you have any timestamps of this being mentioned?
>>106684893of course, I watch them now already. Elira and Klara are 2 of my most watched chuubas. I'd watch Maria but she's live at like fucking 3am
>>106697707>As far as we knowDon't project your retardation onto me. There are servers created for the new waves to join to get knew others. She never mentioned leaving a server but other people have said she wasn't in a server anymore. Which has nothing to do with anything past schizo babble since the point is that they're not forced to interact with anyone past their managers and wavemates
>>106685693you mindbroken faggots are hilarious. What he said is 100% true. It's just a job. You can quit like any other job. Early termination fee? Sure. But you get that with cell phones, tv, and almost any lots of business workplaces, etc
>>106685818so no one can join hololive since all their mass graduations and le heckin evil company arc? you're a retard
>>106697863The early termination fee is also schizo babble considering the contract that Sayu leaked says nothing about that
>>106697860>There are servers created for the new waves to join to get knew others.This has NEVER been mentioned in any way, shape, or form, and no leaks from their discord lists have ever shown such things to be the case.Even during Nina's graduation, she talked about Selen becoming more isolated after leaving elira's server. Again, do you have any timestamps for something as absurd as "they make a server for every single new hire"? Or any screenshots at all?
>>106697977yes it has though? Twisty talked about Denauth having a server before. Apparently niji is big on team-building exercises now, they fly new waves to japan to bond, give them their own manager, etc. She went on at length about all the team-building stuff they did in japan
>>106697977https://files.catbox.moe/m6awv7.mp4You have to baiting or something
>>106695701Its still surprising that Aia and Scarle aren't looked up to more. They're mostly solo streamers but they're also able of interacting with dudes on occasion (its rarer with scarle) and still maintain a loyal fanbase.
>>106698229>another discord server where the other members have interacted with them a lotYes, Elira's server. We know this. Hell, I was thinking about posting this video too. (I'm pretty sure I was the one that uploaded it to catbox initially) I should probably go back and clip the relevant portions of Nina's graduation stream myself.
>>106698652>THEY (Xsoleil) had another server where the other members interacted with them a lotThat means they made it, you retard. She says other people also didn't join it because they're shy. It was a new server, dumbass
>>106698727You're just being willfully ignorant now, anon. If said servers existed, it would've been shown in the countless discord leaks by now. It's always Elira's server, the server labeled EN, and two main branch Niji servers.
>>106698652It wouldn't make sense for the predebuts to join Elira's server first before the official NijiEN server.
>>106699955That's what I thought too but it also doesn't make sense for them to join any server before the main server. We know they make group chats, though, so the only possible explanation I can imagine that would be outside of Elira's server would be if... Staff added outside members to the group chat instead of the main discord server? But why would that ever be the case instead of just adding them to one of the servers directly? My theory that'd be the simplest and make the most sense to me is that originally they were a group chat (something Nina mentioned explicitly, and how Reimu/Millie/Enna made ANOTHER group chat to explicitly exclude her), Elira was informed, and then she added them to her server so everyone could meet them before they'd be officially added to the main one at debut.
i wouldnt watch Niji if you would offer me Money in return.
>>106685711>Old NijiEN fans can have the guysIf the guys fans are the old ones, what are the pre-Lux fans called?
>>106700414>That's what I thought too but it also doesn't make sense for them to join any server before the main server.I think it would make sense for staff to set up a pre-debut server so that the new waves can interact with each other (team building), and then closer to debut allow current members to join to get to know them, without the pre-debuts being flooded with conversations/info flying around in the main server right from the get-go. Then, once they're closer to debut, they'll have the pre-debuts join the main server.In Selen's clip here >>106698229 , she talks about how she didn't join the server that the pre-debuts were hanging out in, and that "oh it looks like they joined the [main] discord now" (ie: the discord she was in).
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>>106684893I cant stand anyone in that company including Selen and everyone that allegedly bullied her. Pomu is the closest one to being likeable and even she was a hypocrite in some cases. I guess I dont have anything against Petra either. Everyone else is pure garbage.
>>106696423>Nijisanji is damn near tripling HololiveOn one single quartet while losing the previous year despite having the triple of vtubers and notoriously bad contracts.
