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she's my fute bagel

>"i am gonna make a voice message frfr"
>shoncucks excited for it
>she doesn't
lol irl

I don't understand how streaming is too dangerous for your mental right now but you can freaking fly to another country that you've never visited before.

>>107032578
Don't make me get the uohtuber, Gary

>>107032578
she doesn't want to interact with the horde of autistic manchildren. i don't know how much more clear she can make this.

>japan in a couple of days
I won't make it unless an angel flies me there
Although, "a couple of days" is after my supposed exam date, so it's at least convenient

I want this whole arc to be over already

>>107032871
I'm sorry shogga

did she actually say that she's going to japan instead of doing it in secret?
i called this shit like a month ago, the whole melty was just so that she could go to japan

>>107032871
Mental illness is forever.

you won bigly if you jumped ship during the first hiatus

>>107032986
i dipped just after the first drunk melty that got her banned

This bitch went to Japan so she could ignore processing my refund for the merch baka

whats a tldr on this clique business, is this like the old canvascord circlejerk again

>>107033118
>canvascord
interesting you called it that :)

>>107033157
as opposed to what

>>107032980
She already said she was going to Japan long before the subathon, retard tourist.

>>107033118
The same clique of over-hostile, overly-attached loser faggot cocksuckers like LTD, Somn, Pixel, and pretty much most of the faggots you can find on this link (https://www.kudoboard.com/boards/886B11Gy) made
a Kudoboard to send Shondo a nice message that she would probably be guaranteed to read because she did for her birthday. They did it again and passed it to only their friends, leaving several regulars out, and one 3-year sub got banned for daring to express FOMO. While I'd miss Shondo, I wish she would never return so her faggot no life loser fans would have to do literally anything with their lives besides obsess over a mentally retarded british woman who is taller than the average woman.

>>107033177
anything that isn't what the server is literally called you silly bitch.

>>107033243
uh oh melty!

>>107033250
Nta
Proof?

>>107033243
Forgot to add that they justified excluding regulars that have been there longer than have was "erm people will just post it to KF and 4chan" as if it couldn't be moderated or they shit it up themselves.

>>107033250
well it wasn't exactly a secret in like 2023
>>107033243
I see. Well I get the rules are no fomo these days, but also I think complaining about it achieves nothing. A ban seems unwarranted, but I suppose he's been on watch for all the other fomo crashouts.

nothing in shondo grooming history really beats the dox self insert birthday cake drawing when she was so self conscious about her age that she fucking cried on her birthday

https://x.com/CaudilloXIV/status/1993136246215098765
This Jewish nigga is spitting facts

>>107033329
The 'KF' antis don't exist. It's just Forest_Fires

>>107033329
it's funny who is there if the concern is secret antis

>>107033453
She claims the pedicure technician thought she was 12

>>107033639
manner of dress and speech can carry you pretty far I imagine

>>107033585
Several niggas there read her thread or collaborate to post on her thread on KF. Crazed posted about the kudo link being shared on KF moments after it was posted

been accused of being in a groomer clique for antoher chuuba, honestly it just works, just sucks to be outside of it, what can you say
only diff with these guys is they're the entitled cunts that drive her mad rather than people who actually want to be closer to her as a person and not some holy figure
I think shondo's too big for it to have any serious impact though, she's growing in spite of them all and will continue to, and more heads need to roll

She’ll get to know the diversity that’s hit Japan very well. If you want to be her first, better hurry before she gets deflower by the black samurai.

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waaa

rip the bandaid off shondo, the rest of the wannabe groomers need to face reality as well
a golden age will dawn
so-called husbands sent to the gallows en masse
total imoutopill victory

She needs a corpo. She clearly wants to be in one, what with the Barbies and all.

>>107033453
I always cringed at that drawing and knowing that just made it worse.

https://x.com/Brooke_Lin1/status/1993060618912645171
Real

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I hate her!

Why doesn't she just double down?
All she has to do to own all of these 2views is to unban Chicken and defend being parasocial like she's always done

>>107036090
cause that would mean also going against the groomers and groomer mods who caused this in the first place

>>107035959
I still love her despite everything

>>107036090
that would be baseg

>>107033453
digi faking his death after shondo got her first sponsor to sabotage her growth and financial success takes the cake i think

>>107036121
I thought she didn't have groomer mods?
I thought shondo's mods are not allowed to be parasocial towards her?

>>107036121
Man, screw them niggas
Down with the groomers sects and with the gay ass greeter gangs
Make shondopolis great again, bring back commited marriage and promote equality among husbands and fidelity

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>>107036141
Her mods are her Utopia

>>107036090
>defend being parasocial like she's always done
after khaal, qwerty, and now this she will end up taking the opposite stance since she's already headed in that direction

even though chicken sperged out he said what needed to be heard

>>107036141
it's only a few oldfags and they're not really in control of shondo they just have a lot of influence because she's a scaredy cat and thinks years of being groomed is a good thing and "loyal" instead of the negative and betrayal it really is

In response to Chicken, who deleted his tweet, so many shitty 2views have jumped on the bandwagon to hate him, and say things like "I can't imagine what the streamer (shondo) would have gone through"
Like nigga please

>>107036196
Victim blaming all around

>>107032578
She's lying, like ever. The whole incident was fake. Her family are so concerned a little her that they cut off social media...but flying by herself to another country and staying there they're fine with?
What a fucking joke.

>>107033585
Tubby 100 percent is there too.

>>107036301
cry groomer, see you next stream and tomorrow and the next day!

>>107036121
Yes, it was them that caused this, not the anti retard that was given 100 chances over the last 3 months and just kept pushing.
His final act? Bringing millions of tourist antis to shondos door by botting his twitter likes to get revenge. If you even dare defend this cunt you're a shondo anti.

>>107036385
the moderation team has fucked up like this over and over and has also allowed the groomer problem and these issues to fester and completely mismanaging things, all they had to do was spend 2 minutes dming chicken more to avoid this and it's the basic level of effort a parasocial vtuber's mods should be putting in, not to mention it was out of his control, it blowing up.
whether or not chicken is in the wrong you're deflecting from the root cause of the issue and the actual anti because this isn't the first time we've had this issue nor will it be the last, cunt.

how about you hold the grown men accountable when they have such responsibility and influence over shondo's career, community, and relationships? oh wait you're just another groomer who doesn't actually care, fuck yourself, anti.

>>107036422
Hi anti. Try working on your reading comprehension kid, I covered his multiple warnings. You showed your hand already defending a shondo anti, cunt.

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it's actually insane that shondo is so lost in the sauce we're putting accountability on the randoms and not the moderation team responsible and given the privilege of handling this. hmm it truly is a mystery why nothing gets better and only gets worse

make whatever excuse and cope you want in your head, the reality has shown otherwise for far too long, so go ahead and reconcile that
>>107036451
the only cunt i'm involved with is shondo's and i'm an anti like all her favorites, that's what this stupid bitch wants because she's got abused dog syndrome bau bau dumb doggy bitch i hate her so much i am her #1 anti my goal is to ruin her life because her current one is retarded an pathetic and groomed

mentally stretched cheating whore
dumb pig nose too oink oink fat ass thighs i can't even fit one hand around them it takes two
what was i talking about again? who cares fuck you die

>>107036385
First off, meds
Secondly, the cause is unarguably the kudoboard incident, chicken's (warranted) melty was an effect
You don't blame an effect, you blame the cause, otherwise that's victim blaming

>107036512
>custard
Concession accepted, banned cuck. c:

A lot of this Shondo's fault for not seeing that sekrit fan clubs would be a problem. Would that have saved chicken? Probably not, but she's been pretty inactive in community moderation and putting her foot down and people are taking advantage.

>>107036526
Oh look, another banned anti defending chicken the shondo anti. Imagine my surprise
Your conjecture isn't proof kid, and you're banned and have no say on the matter.
Hope that helps!

>>107036530
>too scared to even @ me
run away coward.

>literally BEGGING for me to rape him more
lol irl c:

what;'s that? speak up i can't understand you witrh all my cum in your mouth pussy cuck

>ESL
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

god i need to beat this stupid bitch and fuck her so bad i'm going jerk off have fun cucks

>>107036633
holy CHECKED groomcels and modcucks will NEVER be able to say this btw they have to keep their little cuck masks on and hide from a literal pathetic child lmaooo these kids aren't even worth our time desu i'm blocking this site on my puter til shondo gets her shit together. maybe she'll listen to nina after she makes her less bean eggs in japan every day

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c:

I hope Shondo goes to the japan rape dungeon I recommended c:

Chicken being banned wouldn't have even turned into this big a fiasco if motherfuckers would just keep shit to DMs. Sure his initial post was attention seeking cringe, however retro, bapy, link, and the like pounced on him on Twitter like the hypocritical retards they are and outsiders seeing infighting with the oshi marks ofc we're going to get nosy about the drama. Never mind those mentioned have all had their own meltys and/or been warned by Shondo and mods before, hell hasn't link been banned himself before? But let retro make 4 more posts about tiktok whores and drama totally not adding fuel to the fire. Double digit IQ levels all around

>>107036840
Meanwhile: https://x.com/qwertymchurty2/status/1992387974613684586?t=DO5MRvY3bYFTI_84O8qNNg&s=67

>>107033329
I've been a part of this community for years and didn't get an invite. Among multiple other regulars. And when they asked what was going on they were told "nothing" or " they weren't trusted" and deleted the messages but its a lie. It was made for the groomer circle jerk to gatekeep a nice project for shondo to give them attention. And their cope is " we did it because of antis"
But they also didn't invite people they invited last time and said " if you didn't get invited you are an anti" or "not well known enough" despite these members regularly being active. And then the groomer circle jerk posts memes and laughs about excluding other p2w members. This shiit wouldn't fly if mods were behaving like shondo told them to. It's a mods job to stop shit like this from happening to avoid this exact problem she already has said multiple times both on stream and in old p2w that she doesn't like the environment it creates. But because the mod faggots are also groomers and blatantly advertise it, nothing gets done. The mods fail to protect her regulars and her community. And shondo won't confront them because they've been mods for too long atp. And she won't stop the groomercord because she knows there's too many of her "valuable" regulars in there. And she's just getting off another drama binge. And the groomercord has the audacity to give more attention to this chicken faggot because of his past behavior. Which only serves to create their narrative that they are protecting shondo when in reality a normal mod would kick the chicken faggot. Tell people to not start up shit and exclude other members of the community. Or at the very list make it publicly known they are doing a project in the first place and facilitate people to ask for invites. Instead tuese groomerfaggots say "well if you were not invited you didn't need to be" but they've also been here all during this arc going " just dm us if there was a problem" knowing full well they're just gonna use it to get people banned because they want to gatekeep shondo to themselves like groomer retards.

>>107033329
it's so funny that they basically admit " yea we don't trust certain p2w members" and instead of just banning all the people they don't trust they do this just to stir up more drama. Manipulative toxic behavior that ruins every server. Shondo said this was a problem last time. And she wanted to avoid it and they still act this way in public

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Wanting to be in their kudoboard is like wanting to be in this picture.

>>107036385
The mods are in the groomer club and you are scapegoating 1 guy and ignoring the dozens of other people who are the problem

>>107036898
ESL custard melty
Didn't read, chicken defenders and shondo antis

>>107036994
c:
groomer outed alert

>>107036898
You already know the game why did you skip grinding up the ladder fool

>>107036908
well yeah it is her chat. We have to filter out the worst of the slobs. Letting them dream is hilarious

>>107036950
I'll never get over digi giving himself the most angled jawline of the 4 while probably being the fattest one based off the leaked picture

>>107037052
I think you're the groomer

>>107036908
>noooo if you want to do anything for shondo among yourselves you HAVE to include all the ban evading groomers so they can hurt shondo!!!
lol irl
chicken defenders continuing to prove they're shondo antis

>>107037173
This is a massive cope.

>>107037052
Prove you're not a banned husband right now

>>107037208
it reminds me of the kind of shit shondo would cope by saying lmao

>>107037222
You first, I'll happily do it after you

>>107037233
kek it's literally the dismissive rhetoric strat that she always falls for yeah

how do I get my own “lil bestie”

>>107037208
>no argument
uh oh banned groomcuck melty

>>107037271
The guy asked for a rundown and that's an objective rundown. You are fighting ghosts

>>107037271
you don't have an argument either because your "point" doesn't engage with what's being said, a strawman is not an argument, you're not slick or clever you're just being dumb and biased

>>107037302
>this is massive cope
>objective rundown
groomcucks not sending their best
stay banned and mad faggot, i won c:

>>107036787
Like all vtubers she is asking for japan locations so she can absolutely avoid them and not get spotted

>>107037307
i'm only even bothering to humor it because i know shondo is dumb and manipulated enough to actually fall for it (like usual)
>>107037324
you need to take your medication or log off for a bit little buddy

>>107037343
naur...

>>107037307
He has no counterpoint so his default settings are to project because he's a groomer schizo AGAGAGA
>>107037324
I don't know who you think I am but I know who you are

just ditch this bi tch until she is ready to behave. i'm banning shondo from me until she is ready to appeal and ready for her second chance. she will have plenty of time to think over the next few weeks when nina isn't 2 fingers deep in her

She should ban retromancer after dragging her into twitter drama just for fun.
Honestly i don't care what she does in Japan

>>107037353
name me :c

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Keep pouning! Pounding with shondo!

>>107037385
my cope? just hate her 24/7 and if you can still love her i t doesn't matter what this dumb child does, she is the true daughterwife experience, bonus point sfor being mentally disabled which is like having a kid but on hard mode due to bad rng
>>107037497
plap plap plap plap plap plap plap pounding the vegital
ok bye this place and girl is rotting my brain

>>107037550
daughterwife with an NTR fetish experience*

between twilight and vivi there was no universe where this girl didn't turn out evil and maneating

>>107037699
and her inherent schizoaffective nature the creature was born evil like dexter florida man

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Reminder that you're a tourist if you didn't already know for months that she was going on this Japan vacation. You're also a tourist if you think hospitalization means institutionalized when it's literally just "check in, take these meds, pass this psychiatric evaluation, now get the fuck out".

You're also a tourist if you think she wouldn't fly to another country after a mental breakdown when she did the exact same fucking thing last year when she spent time with Olivia in LA.

>>107037866
actually it's the regulars who have been here since before the LA trip who are saying this, just like they did back then, the tourists are the vast minorityt of the people saying these things and just a scapegoat

>streams will only happen in Shondothon bursts
Need to start rationing those VODs.

>>107037887
My point is that anyone seething about her going on the Japan trip is either bitching just to bitch or hasn't been here long enough to realize this is just a repeat of the hiatus last year.

>>107036908
>it's so funny that they basically admit " yea we don't trust certain p2w members" and instead of just banning all the people they don't trust they do this just to stir up more drama.
Those who want to groomer her don't ever address this

>>107037866
I kind of agree. I don't really care shes going. Ironically the groomers and mods are the ones most invested

>>107038272
Can a regular shogga even do anything about this at this point. The mods delete and gatekeep everything from her in such a manipulative way it can only be described as an abusive relationship lol

>>107037343
She's not that bright

>>107037385
There is no cope, she is acting like a dumb whore who wants to get molested and or raped and be lesbian with her friend

>>107038302
There's no regulars, if you didn't get invited you're an anti. Nobody cares about third rate groomers so you're outing yourself divorced groomcuck
>but
You're an anti. Prove otherwise

>>107037987
>bitching just to bitch
they bitch because it influences shondo negatively and she's suceptible to it like she has been over the years and even up until a few days ago when she made that audio post making sure she had to justify why she was still going to japan and was self conscious about it, even if unsuccessful in s topping her it influences her and affects her and it has changed her behavior drastically before which is why they do it, it works

>>107038331
>lesbian
LMAO

>>107037987
I was against her trip to the us since the beginning (and proven right) and i've been against this japan trip from the start before she even had the panic attack

>>107038351
you've said twice you're leaving and you're still here shitting yourself with groomer narratives with no proof
you're so mindraped it's hilarious to me c:

>>107038401
she ruins me i literally can't help myself with her

>>107038302
No, one regular can't do anything by themselves. They never could.
I've said it time and time again, you need many people to agree to go against the direction of the groomers for real change to occur. If the community is split into 2 clear camps then shondo will naturally have to step in, but that will really only happen if there is a decently equivalent amount of people in each camp, which frankly seems impossible currently.
Then the community would look like this:
>70% dynamic fanbase (non-dedicated)
>20% static fanbase who don't take the marriage seriously (dedicated)
>5% ±2% static fanbase who take the marriage seriously who are more conservative (dedicated)
>5% ±2% static fanbase who take the marriage seriously who are more progressive (dedicated)
The conservative part of the marriage consists of people like chicken, qwerty, used to be abcs too, khaal, paperw1ng, retromancer, etc. They are severely outnumbered and the numbers will only skew further from in their favour in the future, lest there be a mass filter
The present is blight, but the future is yet to be
Fight for the future you want

>>107038351
>audio post making sure she had to justify why she was still going to japan and was self conscious about it
Post it

>>107038530
>They are severely outnumbered
I say this because the 20% who don't take the marriage seriously are inherently more progressive
These are people like chester or vito and a portion of the discord regulars, while the 70% would be akin to the people who reply to her on twotter who don't know what she's talking about

>>107033605
why is that?

>>107038811
Nta
I believe he is talking about forest fires, who has been heavily suspected to be a person posting about discord stuff on an anti forum

>>107037075
https://x.com/fawnncel/status/1993057086033289434
Relevant

>>107032578
She has to deal with her obsessed audience on the internet
She doesn't have to deal with them in Japan

>>107032980
How new?

>>107033639
My sister's getting close to my height and she's still in elementary. I guess it's possible if you're baby faced with a high pitched voice to still be confused for a kid.

>>107034882
post pics pls
or timestamp from stream

>>107032578
Anon, don't be dumb. What she meant is that she doesn't want to deal with the bullshit in her fandom currently.

>>107039564
>She doesn't have to deal with them in Japan
SyadouClueless

https://x.com/Kirika_Yoko/status/1993002081750569463
I hate when people talk about stuff they don't know and use analogies, yet fail to consider that analogies as arguments depend solely on how relevant the comparison is. In this case, the two situations are entirely different, but people just feel like they need to talk about every little thing that is happening.
I need to stop doing things like this myself, it's very unbecoming

>>107039564
Dewd is there though

/shon/ seems to have fallen into the shit since I stopped baking my threads. anyway look at these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6Qf7iu8SE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLNTAMY1NZA

>>107038348
You just say that so ill dox myself you kiwinigger

>>107039751
how long are 2views going to keep latching on to this and making it about themselves for attention

>>107038530
Retromancer is kind of a sperg

>>107039751
Settle down somnium

>>107040196
Korone and okayu fix everything. Maybe holo mains are right

Not even forsen reacts to shondo anymore...

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Nta, but i'm not an anti since i only want what's best for everyone involved, in the context of the dynamic and the established (through writing or talking) goals of this relationship while not neglecting anyone unfairly
If you wish to neglect one or the other you will undoubtably be an anti for eqch of it; but if you struggle internally over this issue, unable to reach a conclusion, then know that you are a true husband who can only ever be wronged in reasoning and morals, not ever in motivation.
If you disagree with this then you automatically become an anti, either towards the dynamic or towards shondo, or towards all of it, as it is for tourists
This reasoning is perfect and with no flaws and if you disagree then you are being retarded.
>>107040457
Wrong guy

>>107040501
naur...

Shon, I know you're reading this. Tell your husband to buy you more fatty fish and nuts. They're rich in B vitamins, magnesium, and antioxidants, which help with depression and anxiety. It's also good for the baby.

>>107040550 (me)
I can't believe i just realised this doesn't have the "you" on my chest

At the end of the day the biggest loosers sign the Kudoboard it was a ritual of shame specially if you put something longer than 3 lines

just finished inside fallen shadow

>>107040654
same

>>107040550 (me)
Anyone else giving any other justification for why they shouldn't be considered antis is going about it wrongly btw desu

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Guys I figured it out.
>Thread

>>107040852
You're welcome

a separate discord with the mods shouldn't exist

>>107041007
you'd be shocked how beneficially eye-opening it's been.

https://x.com/orthodox_33ad/status/1993278861417824499
@shoggas us

https://x.com/MidnightJoneser/status/1992984649111650709
Tuffnarr coded tweet

>>107033760
that should be ban worthy

>>107041007
It wouldn't be a big deal if there is a side discord if thet group wasnt causing like 60% of the issues. Not just the kudoboard thing. But the fact that mods who are supposed to be the line of defense from letting it effect the community are actively engaging in it and protecting them is twice as bad.

It's cute we are supposed to pretend the grooming faggots dont also obsessively watch the kf threads. Thats why they minimod so hard. It should be bannable.

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I love her!

>>107038348
>Chester is an anti
>Mouz the genital inspector isn't

>>107041665
Cold epithet lowkey

>>107040390
Proving my point, anti cuck.

I was visiting the other site and I forgot how much people hate lolibaiting
I don't understand how we came full circle to where le edgy people are now embracing the same position as evangelical retards

>>107042047
An actual loli would be Hunneychu

>>107042047
you find people who hate lolibaiting and anything pedophile-adjacent all across the political spectrum, the differences lies in what they do about it.

the main problem occurs the person is a pedophile. the more religious/conservative you are, the more likely it is that you end up harming real children.

It is always funny when lolicons think they are not pedophiles

>>107042466
It's sad, actually

Pipe down tupajumi your gay psyop isn't working on anyone

>>107042364
Noncium did a lot of damage to our community when he got on the sex offenders registry
He couldn't separate reality from fiction

>>107042577
Jesse

>>107042710
iykyk :^)

>>107042047
The stranger thing is why they obsess over Shondo when there are many other more lolified vtubers who actually produce NSFW content or lean much more heavily into it in their ASMR

>>107042840
I assume it's because shondo is bigger than them, they don't care if it's a literal who

>>107042781
Did he say something somewhere or are you attributing a post here to him

Maybe she posted the jason figure in her bed to ward off chicken's desire to be let back into the community
Btw how tall is the toy?

>>107042840
shondo is cuter than those cunnytubers

>>107042937
looks like he wasn't invited and all of this has his name written all over it.

>>107042840
that's just because shondo is big and those guys haven't found the smaller ones yet

>>107043028
All of what

>notorious known /here/ antis weren't invited and are /here/ seething about not being invited
shocker!

>>107043026
Trvth nvke

all of you should blow up

>>107043202
Ad hominem tho

>>107043357
interesting that you view being called an anti as an insult. must be true then :D

do you guys remember all the retarded seething? That's him defending qwerty :^)

XX:47:22PM tupajumi: Since you are here Shondo, I find it annoying that you have a habit of mocking and belittling peoples concerns and I'm not talking about you shutting down those who do so passive aggressively

uh oh...

>>107043357
The truth isn't an ad hominem

>>107043202
Hey hassan shockers are not ok

>>107042840
Because despite the groomers and antis and tourists. She still talks to the community. Or she did anyway. She kept the illusion going and for the most part everyone else participated.

>>107042840
she’s the biggest “loli” on twitch

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This is the only appropriate response to any of this last year.

i'll be waiting for shondo in the deepest corners of hell

>>107043411
That's not what an ad hominem is... all responses which are insults are ad hominems, hut not all ad hominems are insults
Also, responding to your ad hominem with "ad hominem" doesn't mean i approve of the value of truth that you've given it
>>107043599
It can be? If you call a faggot effeminate in response to an argument then that's still an ad hominem
Ad hominems are attacks aimed at the speaker rather than the argument itself
>>107043434
When and where was this?
I don't get what your point is, is he not allowed to express how he feels about some things that he perceives she does?
You might be an anti, refer to >>107040550 (me)

>>107032490
Michael's cocksleeve

>>107043865
why is being called an anti an insult to you? you're not helping your case by getting so defensive over it and it's interesting that is what you're specifically focusing on.

>>107043865
>When and where was this?
2024-07-22 in her chat
right after shondo told qwerty to stfu because he was making her uncomfortable

xx:07:15PM qwertymchurtywastaken: @RexusprimeIX syadouWoozy im saying that her being around oli has put some ideas into her head that contradict her values, which is seen in her being convinced of doing m&gs(she wanted to do them before the trip, but being there for oli's m&g only made her more sure of it) and in her 2nd stream since her return's zatsu, where she made conflicting statements, both with her values and stuff she had said in the same zatsu

>>107043865
You are banned therefore an anti c:

>>107043865
You're literally banned, you're just deflecting so you don't have to address >>107043202
Anti cuck.

>>107044020
>So obsessed he brings up posts in offline chat from over a year ago
Lol

>>107043865
> all responses which are insults are ad hominems
False. For an insult to be an ad hominem, it has to argue for something on basis of the insult.

"You're a retard", for example, is not an ad hominem, as it doesn't even pretend to be an argument.

"What you are saying is wrong, therefore, you're a retard" is not an ad hominem, either. It's a valid argument whose soundness depends on the truthfulness of the premise.

"You're a retard, therefore what you are saying is wrong" is an ad hominem.

>>107044063
>deflection
uh oh groomcuck melty

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shonflower

>>107044020
that qwerty statement was entirely true though, being around olivia completely changed her

>>107044063
>obsessed
it hurts when you're called out huh? :^)

Weird how Tupajumi defended Qwerty >>107044020 who is now permabanned indefinitely, also attacked Shondo openly >>107043434 and is a known /here/poster and oddly wasn't invited to the Kudoboard. Surely there is no correlation.

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saali is still alive

>>107044091
let's be honest shogger the time with oli changed her for the better.

We need a shondopilled kudoboard

>>107044163
https://files.catbox.moe/lwejyq.png oli took good care of her

>>107044063
>not denying anything
not a good look.

>>107044150
If that's what constitutes an attack then why are multiple people who are also /here/ and have said far worse things to Shondo on the Kudoboard? Lol irl

>>107044492
Ad hominem tho lol irl

How's chicken holding up

>>107044492
>>107043202
kek

>>107043202
name them and their crimes

>>107044492
Uh oh still having a melty

>>107044673
Read the thread.

https://files.catbox.moe/tidf0m.png

>>107044688
if disagreeing with shondo makes you an anti then why are half of the people on the card when they have had melties disagreeing with shondo before such as dewd and mouz calling her out directly in offline chat and discord, forest fires and somnium criticizing her multiple times across different platforms? consistency doko

but wait there is more

xx:06:32PM tupajumi: @fallenshadow 21:37 fallenshadow: i shouldn't tweet either because someone might not like a tweet i make 21:37 fallenshadow: i shouldn't talk in twitch chat or discord or anywhere because someone doesn't like that platform This is the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about, this is what annoys me. You know nobody here demanded or even brought those things up
xx:06:59PM fallenshadow: @Tupajumi yeah?
xx:07:09PM fallenshadow: i'm not sure how you want me to respond?
xx:07:10PM fallenshadow: but yeah?
xx:07:23PM fallenshadow: i'm not sure what the problem with what i said was

>>107044735
Ad hominems tho

>>107044767
that's an appeal to hypocrisy fallacy, not an ad hominem

>>107044767
its actually a tu couque, nobody attacked you or your character unless you're admitting that you're one of the people mentioned indirectly

>>107044735
>>107044791
>>107044809
Some would call this deflection.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOsqXKr4l30 @shondo pls watch this

>>107043202
Chester is a /here/ anti?

>>107043998
>why is being called an anti an insult to you?
You were the one to introduce both of the terms, namely "anti" and deeming it "an insult"...
>>107044036
That has the presuppositions that all banned individuals are antis or that all antis get banned, both of which are obviously false. For this argument to be anything but null, you first need to justify your presuppositions...
>>107044020
I stand by what I said, though nowadays i would frame the sentence differently
>>107044037
Why would i address something not meant for me?
>>107044082
You're wrong, also, only the 2nd example isn't an ad hominem
>>107044150
If you consider that an attack, then you are an anti for the marriage
>>107044546
The post he's replying to isn't an argument, so it's not an ad hominem
>>107044618
Hopefully, he went to church on sunday
>>107044749
This is why women should stay in the kitchen

>>107045178
kys qwerty

>>107045178 (me)
I'm gonna take a bath so if i reply too fast assume it's not me
>>107045255
I wish, but i can't

>>107045178
>You were the one to introduce both of the terms, namely "anti" and deeming it "an insult"...
and you responded defensively to it (and are continuing to), showing there was insult to your character despite that evidently: you are an anti.

>>107042840
shondo is mentally ill and vulnerable and she's proven that over and over, why leave when she still is groomed by you? you wouldn't

I will take over Fallenshadow and push for the Shondopolis revolution

>>107044087
UOOOOOOO SEXOOOO UOOO ToT GARTER BELT AND PANTIES UOOO PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP CUNNY CUNNY SEX PLAP PLAP SEX

You niggas are retarded

the banned shoggas tell a story, it starts from people who just want her to keep her story straight, to people who just want to be an equal, you're not prepared for what's next

>>107043665
I don't know man, I know it's because her community got so big but you can easily visit a smaller community and find the vtuber actually interacting with fans with less than a ten foot pole, without the need for sekrit klubs or anything

>>107045511
so true

>>107045756
Inis VCs with cheeps all the time.

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>>107045756
it's just this >>107045436
mind you a lot of people HAVE left, but they weren't ones shondo constantly fed attention or let manipulate her, even though she's big she still spends most of her time interacting with a small few, it's really not hard to comprehend, they don't leave because their complaining and manipulation works and they get enough of what they want from shondo, someone like oli (or anyone else really) won't put up with their shit and won't feed them attention unless they go start over and donate more thousands

>>107044082
Using such an insult in a debate carries the hidden implication "and therefore your logic and premises alike are suspect." It thus fits the definition of an ad hominem.

Everyone who left won.

>>107045903
In that case, the fallacy would be committed by the audience (Horn effect fallacy), not the speaker.

>>107045897
>their complaining and manipulation works
less and less so, and I think their influence is overstated to start with
whenever she gets the chance she'll lash out at those types, she's done it with much less toxic individuals
>they weren't ones shondo constantly fed attention or let manipulate her
that's just not true tbf plenty of "groomers" and "favorites" have left

>>107046070
>>107045897
Grackelbones was a favorite and he's completely fucked off. I really wish Tubby could discuss anything without speaking entirely out of his ass.

>>107046070
you can be autistic about the semantics but that doesn't change the reality that this is exactly what's been happening
>she'll lash out at those types
>their influence is overstated
the literal worst offenders of this she won't ever speak out a word against them and has gone out of her way to placate them on things she literally made of and shit on others for. ie paper wing and chicken have a melty about the cookies, she calls it out and doesn't let them get to her
then dewd does it, she plays fall guys immediately after, then ignores him bragging about it, this is just one example and you can cope and be autistic about the little details or "erm actually" but literally the only reason we're talking about this right now is because it's gotten so bad

i really don't understand why you're even trying to argue against it, if you're right then you're still just admitting "well she's groomed but it's not that bad" okay how about not at all?? but also it really IS that bad despite constantly trying to cope and downplay it and prove my sentiment wrong

>>107046180
literally who

>>107046232
Gracklebones had high read rate, made her art and got a game featured on stream that she played. The other anon is just lying to try and sell a point that doesn't exist.

>>107046232
newfag

>>107046277
no one who gets read like abcs, dewd, mouz, magneto has ever fucked off and left randomly, but you know that and that's why you're being semantic instead of acknowledging the common sense that if a girl sucks off her abuser then it's not a mystery why her abuser sticks around despite being abusive/complaining

>>107046335
this is a blatant lie, plenty of people have left

>anyone she interacts with that isn't me (banned btw) = abuser

>>107046335
>if a girl sucks off her abuser then it's not a mystery why her abuser sticks around despite being abusive/complaining
it's just shondo tier cope, anything but to think that men on the internet could just have a conditional relationship with her despite seeing constantly with these types that's exactly what it is
shondo will swear up and down this isn't the case but ignore the reason why she knows she can't ever say shit to them or ignore them like she does most others
>>107046380
bait used to be believable

>>107046401
kinda weird how she treats the non-groomer-favorites like chicken and paperwing vs how she treats dewd for the same exact or worse behavior innit, i'm not sure that has anything to do with tubby being banned so idk why you think that's relevant unless you're just being rhetorical and your real intent is to manipulate

>>107045324
TRVTHNVKE

>>107046190
it usually takes a pretty egregious incident for her to let her feelings be known about "controlling" people, and being a regular doesn't really insulate anyone
the people you're talking about HAVE been scolded for various things before, and the actions of the mods say nothing about these guys actually ever getting their way (they usually don't as with the drinking streams or the shock collar)

>>107046457
c:

>>107046405
you are either a newfag or disingenuous nigger dependently trying to defend his false narrative

>>107046465
>it usually takes a pretty egregious incident for her to let her feelings be known about "controlling" people
She usually also only ever nebulously calls out people also, never names names and basically ignores the worst offenders in favor of going after low hanging fruit.

>>107046335
Gracklebones was getting reads like they were. Not only are you lying about this and denying the favoritism you are indirectly vouching for, we have far less favorites now that were older regulars. Both due to bans and suddenly leaving. You can stop lying now.

>>107046465
you're literally just fucking delusional and coping or clueless
why the fuck are you talking about
>they HAVE been scolded
like they have ever been treated with the same standard as any of the people out of that group, again
>being a regular doesn't insulatre anyone
correct, i'm not tlaking about regulars, i'm talking about a few groomer favorites
>>107046524
ok bro wow you have one example (assuming it's even true) vs 2+ years of multiple other ones excellent point you're totally good faith

>>107046335
the creator of the groomercord left I'm pretty sure
every banned shogger was given a ton of attention in the past
none of this is to say there aren't groomers, or even that those people weren't groomers but this is a weird narrative you're spinning

>>107046552
>source: my ass
stop trying so hard, not a single person in this thread is believing you

>>107046584
you're just not living in reality
chicken and paper wing hardly got attention from her, qwerty too, vonhoro, whoever else i can't think of
>weird narrative you're spinning
trying to pretend like i haven't been proven right despite your gaslighting and doubtcasting is the weirder narrative, i could start giving you more examples but you don't want that, you're not interested in the reality, you just need to feel good about this cope or influence

like you're sitting here talking about "the creator of the groomer cord left" while ignoring the main point that it's not a mystery why the people shondo sucks off won't leave despite their complaining and behavior, why the fuck would they? that's how the dytnamic works

>>107046679
fleece didn't leave until she stopped sucking him off
there's a reason shondo is scared to death to treat that select few with the standard she treats most others with like retro, chicken, paper wing, even som

>>107046679
why are you leaving out people like fleece and tuff? chicken and paper wing did get a decent chunk of attention

>>107046718
who the fuck are and aren't the groomer clique now are we just making this up as we go

and another gay psyop, but this time its a different person

>>107046741
why are you honing in on this autism and being semantic (you know that this is the only way you can even make a semblance of an argument and you can't actually engage with what's being said in good faith)
>>107046752
ask shondo, the people she's terrified to treat like she treats everyone else
you can gaslight all you want and cope, even shondo will swear up and down she's not groomable and like she doesn't have an issue with this whilst in the same breath conviniently never bothering to scrutinize or ignore those people like she will to the vast majority of even other favorites

>>107046552
Explain where Lycoris went then. Another favorite that got plenty of reads, made her art and was never a problem both for her or the community. Even his art is still reposted by regulars. Would you like more examples you lying banned cuck?

https://files.catbox.moe/fj38fe.png this but with shondo

>>107046841
semantics deflecting from the main discussion and point because you can't engage because you know it's true but you still need to run damage control (shondo falls for this)

People leave Shondo because she is quite boring overall, she is cute and endearing but that is not enough on itself. She is big because she attracts drama but that is it, someone with her numbers should be making 400k+ a year without doing a begathon or some shitty merch that tanks her streams for weeks.

>>107046864
That is not deflection. You are shitting on her by lying and I am providing you examples that shut down your entire argument. I engaged directly with your point.

>>107046864
>noooo you can't pick apart my shitty argument because that's *flips notes* running damage control

>>107046894
>She is big because she attracts drama but that is it
lmao

>>107046908
>>107046914
yes continue the peacocking to distract from the history proving me right on all of this, it's very effective on shondo and she really loves to cling on to this cope and dismissal, this is probably your best angle you have

>>107046942
The history doesn't prove you right. I just gave you examples and now you are running away from the argument like you always do.

>>107046922
manager outed altert sex sex cunny Hitler my friend

>>107046894
she'd be less boring if she wasn't ignoring 90% of the chat, that'd probably be more incentive for others to stay around

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shondo is less boring when my dick is kissing her womb woo yeah sexxxx

>>107046992
The Shondothon was the most stale content I've seen in years, watching paint dry is more fun and I know it because I had to do it and had more fun.

>>107047091
You need help i beg you

>>107047105
it only started to get bad the more her mental health declined towards the end and the worse she fed into it

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>>107047123
yeah she begs me alright heh 8)

>>107047138
By day 4 it was alreayd going bad after that I started doing something better, watching the grass grow.

>>107047217
you could also do something better than bitching right now

>>107047249
his bitching isn't that bad it could be way less funny and way more believable

Shondopolis in shambles…

shondopolis in shambles (i am shondopolis and shondo is shambles)

all gfe vtubers have favorites

>>107047308
having favorites isn't the problem, no one is complaining about that, the issue is just a few of them, which causes shondo problems that are unique to her because the other gfe vtubers aren't as groomed

>>107047308
I should be their favorite.

>>107047249
God and don't me forget all the bitching about the proffesional, like please bitch it is a book about a horney selfinsert with the Russian Mafia.

>>107047350
mafiya*
ESLchama... next snooze-athon you can study english instead after day 4, silver linings

>>107047390
Let do study english while watching a retarded ant farm

>>107047438
Ant

nina and shonders havin a freakoff in der klubb
gettin twisted on girls night nippon

Voice message doko?

>>107048110
the autistic manchildren already forgot about it.

Can't wait for something like this next Shondothon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927-yuaNbfE

post the voice messages she sent here

>>107048110
Imagine her saying
>I lub you

>>107048425
she should say that to me in person

What trip did she go on?? Where did she get the jason from?? how big is it??

>>107048757
Just read the Discord

>>107048775
I'm banned

>>107048757
Japan
Unknown
Action Figure sized

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>>107048363

>>107048916
No i mean what retro is talking about https://x.com/Retromancer64/status/1993103831325196602
Thanks

>>107049239
She went out for a meal with her family and went shopping.

>>107049314
That's nice, sucks about the figure though

I hate her!

>>107049590
yeah she's getting a bit fat

>>107050679
That is NOT what i meant

>>107045324
>responded defensively
False, that adjectice implies that your initial post was on the offense against me, but since it never applied to me i cannot be degensive about it

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That candy apple?
Me.
Not you.
Me.

>>107050938
The person she's with?
Me.
Not you.
(You).

https://x.com/GraduatedBen/status/1993371911946932325
Thoughts, fellow goys?

Would you put that stick in your urethra if shondo then started eating the apple?
>>107050938

>>107051214
incel cope
beta cucks can't dominate women based on their own genuine feminine desires; they need to convince women that it's a moral duty imposed by an old man in the sky instead

https://x.com/kinoshitposter/status/1993237131473666169
https://x.com/heirofascania/status/1993235422496129081
Thoughts?

>>107051183

>>107051309

>>107051350
It's ok

there is a deep dark sadness in my heart

there is a deep dark fantasy in my heart

>>107050868
you are being inherently defensive given that fact that you have to even respond and refute what i'm saying. you can dance around it all you want, because you just want to move past the initial indictment, which you literally called an insulting ad hominem here >>107043865 and my initial post applies to you because you are an anti.
i didn't imply anything, in fact i thought i made my position quite clear.

do you think i can't follow your argumentation? because you just tried to pivot out of admitting you took this as an insult, which is why you're even still responding btw.
and your next responses will be to argue fallaciously that you are "not an anti' so this doesn't apply to you blah blah blah.
proceed with your floundering. :)

>>107051365
You need to come into the Church

I want to come into her church

>>107051309
fag lol

>Um I called you a fascist and you didn't take that well so that means you are a fascist :)
No!

>>107051441
I you might be little confused, but no biggie; you see, i never took it as an insult, which is what i tried telling you here >>107045178
You put words in my mouth and attributed feelings to me, which i hadn't actually felt. You simply stated that i took it as an insult, when i never gave any indication that this was actually the case...
And i'm certainly not an anti in any measure, for my intentions are pure, see >>107040550 for my explanation. While we're at it, why not give a definition for what you mean with "anti" as well?

>>107051576
>the fascist in question also behaved as one gained a reputation as one
>the same fascist also didn't take being called one well and is getting oddly defensive over it
curious!

shoggas real out here writing more passages than the bibble for something that was shonquered decades ago

Let's be real Tuffy and Qwerty deserved an invite to the cringe board more than Pippa or Lucy Pyre

https://x.com/a_westgate/status/1993409317379174666
Fr tho what do you think if this? American shoggas watch out

>>107051634
oh, so you're arguing on behalf of your character for fun, i see. there's no ulterior feelings for being defensive about your character. you can have that then, since we can agree now you are just being defensive over your label as an anti.

as for the other part, you have your entire history with Shondo that indicated your personal feelings are worth more than the stress and annoyance you caused her.

there was no improvement on your part, indicating an indifference to her feelings, since you ultimately got permabanned.

and you have a compulsion to argue, which you prioritize over her and others, making you generally unpleasant.

there you go. i could go on, but i think 3 major points which all contributed to you being permabanned forever suffices.
you are an anti.

>>107051913
First off, what? I don't understand the first paragraph and what you're answering to
Secondly, that's not a definition, those are examples of what you think counts as being an anti, but not what the actually means
So, no, it doesn't "suffice"

Swipetyping sucks

nina mentioned shondo on her stream

No! You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

>>107052445
What did she say?

>>107052505
Jesse

>>107052505
shondopolis... naur...

>>107052575
She says she loves her and looks after their time together in Japan, but she wouldn't be able to bear her weird habits for more than 2 weeks.

>>107052161
pretending to be stupid isn't a very good response, come on now. is that really what you resort to when you don't have a response for something?

>that's not a definition
the examples combined are an anecdote of your history and share the facts about your behavior which lead to your permaban.
your behavior in just 3 examples showcase you are opposed to Shondo rather than supportive of her.
you are definitionally an anti.

So she spent all of her donothon money on a life size Jason figure? Kek, get fucked paypiggies

>>107052808
she deserves it

Shondo, good girls keep their promises!!!!!

>>107032578
She has your money and Michael

>>107052808
>life size Jason figure
jason is mogged by the shumo

>>107053033
Otis can never replace me

>>107052668
Thanks!
>>107052676
>facts
I think you mean your understanding of the facts
>your entire history with Shondo that indicated your personal feelings are worth more than the stress and annoyance you caused her.
I have never put my own feelings on a pedestal when it came to speaking up about things, i always (at least as far as I'm aware of) justified my feelings with one relevant principle or another that did not come from me, such as fidelity and exclusivity in the marriage
>no improvement on your part, indicating an indifference to her feelings
The "no improvement" implies that what i was doing was wrong and the second half of that arbitrarily decides that her feelings are the standard to go by, with no regard for other things they might be important (such as the dynamic)
>you have a compulsion to argue
I'm not castrated and i require valid and just reasoning behind one's actions, especially if the one is my supposed spouse
As i have said in my post on why i am not an anti, neglecting either one side of the whole makes you an anti in regards to the respective side that you care less for
Placing shondo above the marriage means you are an anti for neglecting and ignoring the feelings of the supposed husbands and the dynamic itself (which is what even set her apart from other vtubers)
On the other hand, neglecting shondo for the relationship is also anti behaviour, which you can say i am guilty of at times, but not in the way that you accused me of and it's not a defining trait for my character (at least, i don't think so; let someone else be the judge of that)
In order to not be an anti, you have to both care about and for shondo and what she wants, but not to the detriment and neglect of the marriage dynamic and the husbands
This was not said as an attempt to "clear my name", but to illustrate what i am talking about. After all, whatever you have to say in regards to this doesn't affect me, but only reveals your own character

Goodnight shoggas, i have an exam tomorrow

>>107053379
that's a whole lot of words for someone permabanned for being an anti that argues unpleasantly, putting himself over others including Shondo!

>>107053379
uh oh groomer melty!

Make sure to start cataloguing every time you see one of the groomers misbehave (if you're not already). Take screenshots and archive if possible (with www.archive.is for example)