@grok summarize this document

Hot damn it sounds like it was fucking miserable.

>hololive isn't a black comp-ACK!

>>107251318
I am not going to say anything after this post. I am disappointed at what the organization has grown into. Her duties deviated as a streamer and she wasn't given rotational attention as a basic award.

too long

>>107251318
reads like a legal contract

>>107251318
TLDR; I'm female

Even with the corporate approved script it sounds dire. Cover really did go to shit after A-Chan left.

>>107251318
I wish nothing but the slowest and most painful deaths for the soulless executives who demanded more and more from this poor girl

I hope this is the wake up call for many people to realize the girls are getting overworked

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based as fuck
loyal until the end
very sad to see her go

>>107251605
It's what happens when you go public
Never go public if you love your baby

>>107251640
bf rrats slain

>>107251318
>"I am not graduating because of disagreements with anyone in the company, or burnout"
>proceeds to talk about her disagreements with the company, and her burnout
why are women like this

Why didn't she just say "no"?

>>107251688
Hololive lawyers with a gun to her head.

>>107251657
honestly if you believed kanata of all people had a secret bf behind the scenes you might be too far gone

>>107251640
Thanks to Nimi the have to make shit like this explicitly clear nowadays, all "good faith" was ruined by a bunch of grifters hiding behind DISAGREEMENT WITH MANAGEMENT to get plapped by normalfags

>>107251318
So let me get this straight. She wrote a script to prevent leaks... and the script got leaked anyway?

>>107251690
Cause then she gets fired and doesn't have a chance to say goodbye properly to her fans

>>107251871
It's a bunch screencaps which then were stitched together you donut. The font size doesn't even aligned.

>>107251688
>proceeds to talk about her disagreements with the company, and her burnout
That wasn't what she said unless you interpret it in the worst way possible
>>107251871
>leaked
She posted it on Twitter just now after her announcement, anon...

>>107251318
i ain't reading all that shit bruh

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>>107251318
>confirmed animosity between talents
that hurts
>bad enough to be one of the three big reasons to leave

That one hurts.

>>107251688
>ESL has terrible reading comprehension
why are anons like this

>>107251690
She even said that the management suggested adjusting or reducing her workload, but there were projects she strongly wished to complete, she discussed with them and decided to continue working.
She could just say "no", but as a Hololive member with all the expectations and goals, she probably didn't want to say "No"

>>107251962
That was about Haachama, wasn't that?

>>107251969
Let's not pretend Hololive, as a company, shuns people who are not overworking. See: Suisei vs anyone else

>>107251688
The "disagreements" were about her health condition rather than the direction of the company.
She couldn't afford such workload in her health state and when she presented it to her manager, they tried to reduce her workload but that would had meant to reduce her the work for her personal projects.

>>107251962
>>confirmed animosity between talents
I feel like that's the main reason she left.
She can always pull a Gura or an Ayame and just refuse all work and play games when she feels like it, so work load isn't a big excuse.

The only explanation that would make work load an excuse is because she could feel ashamed for not giving her all or not participating in the concerts with her genmates, but that's a very stupid reason to graduate considering the alternative is being a fucking WAGIE.

>>107251962
That's not what that means, it just means her being busy made it difficult to do collabs

>>107252049
So what you're saying is that Miko claims another?

>>107252103
We don't know which relationship caused it and whose at fault for what. Hololive is a big company where animosity can spark between two random talents.

>>107251318
I kept saying I was going to learn Japanese for her... But now she says she's going to disappear and not to look for her. Anons, I thought I had more time...

Basically Kanata is a retard, because she is unable to follow through on all her personal projects, she decides to quit and also not complete any of her personal projects.

>>107252047
this, it was well known for years she had meniere's disease. probably this was starting to get in the way of her being able to dance because this causes a loss of the sense of balance, vertigo etc as well. and her being a true idol route chuuba, that may have been unacceptable for her or cover.

her not reincarnating is because she wouldn't want to get peoples' expectations up that she could still maybe be doing lives etc someday. guess not. it sucks and I thought she could tough it out but welp.

I watched the VOD on mute so that I could just fast forward the VOD to read the transcript as the video played. Was that transcript being translated live via translation program? Or was that already pre-made?

>>107252161
You would never learn Japanese, whom are you kidding?

>>107252098
The way she talks about it is weird, though.
>I approached these matters from a professional standpoint,
sounds like lawyerspeak for "I didn't get unfriendly relations get to me."
She also says "within the necessary scope of work", which sounds like lawyerspeak for "situations in which I was forced to work with someone I don't like."
And this is all prefaced by "regarding relationships among talents"

>>107252207
With AI, I don't need to.

>>107252098
That makes no sense, anon. She explicitly mentions relationship and trying to be professional. You are coping.

>>107251962
Of course there are. It's a workplace with dozens of talents. It would be idiotic to assume it's all sunshine and rainbows.

Thinking about Kanata becoming a wagie after this makes me think that the best mindset to have when getting into Hololive is to not view it as a career but an opportunity. It's an opportunity to live out your dreams as an entertainer before the entertainment industry grinds you down and spits you out back. It's clear that this line of work does not work long term. So those members who actually have work experience/skills outside of streaming before getting in will have a better chance of recovery once they get out. It makes me worried for girls like Biboo who seemingly are putting all their eggs into this idol thing. What's gonna become of them once they leave?

>>107251454

connect the brain and read, Natural Retard

Oh boy another gossip thread with ESL faggots twisting words to fit their agenda.

>>107252427
The deciding factor will be "do they have a financial advisor". If yes, no issue, just keep doing what you want, even if it's at saba schedule while you otherwise just slack off. If no, well, they're gonna have a breakdown once they're broke.

>>107252427
>It makes me worried for girls like Biboo who seemingly are putting all their eggs into this idol thing.
What do Thai women that decide to stop prostituting themselves do? They look for rich old white guy.

>>107252427
>wagie
lol she has plenty of connections in the singing and music industry through her time in hololive she'll be fine. She just won't be fan facing.

>>107251318
Well that sucks. I'll miss her singing.

>>107252489
>Financial advisor
That's fair and I never thought of that. However, let's be honest, how many of these girls do you think have good enough heads on their shoulders to have a financial advisor already?

>>107252427
Advent is a latter hire, if you look at Shiori it's clear their contract is far less strict than the older JP ones.

My prediction is that Biboo will become inverse Gura.

Where as Gura never streamed but still showed up for Hololive projects because of her Mascot status, Biboo will completely vanish from the Idol part of Hololive and just stream. No projects, nothing but the most absolutely mandatory concerts, but she'll have more EN hours than any girl in the company,

Alternatively if she has no choice, nothing stopping her from going back to Indies and living a modestly comfortable life... she'll have to go back to the US but it is what it is.

>>107252554
The way she said "I'm gonna find a job outside of the entertainment industry" made it seem to me like she won't use those connections. Idk, the girl came from dirt poor circumstances and is gonna go deaf soon. I'm just hoping she'll be okay somehow.

>>107252673
What she may feel like is best for her right now might not be how she feels in a few months. Being in the industry is an easy win for her. She could also be being obtuse since she obviously doesn't want people following her.

>>107252427
Who are you kidding? Kanata wasn't spat out.
If you think burnout is bad, please try being a wagie for more than a year.

Hololive is life on kindergarden mode. Flexible worktimes, work from home, you can always go on hiatus, you are highly paid and treated like a queen.
If Kanata is telling the truth, she will regret leaving after getting a reality check on how shit the real world is.

>b-but my co-workers are mean to me!
Suck it up, your wagie co-workers won't treat you much better, and unlike talents, you will have to deal with them every single workday in your life.

God, I hope someone in Kanata's life encourages her to come back to Hololive.
She won't, because she'll feel too ashamed, but let me dream.

>>107252709
Gotta factor in that the kind of person who makes it in Hololive is also the kind of person who won't use those advantages. Kanata said herself management often told her to ease off on the projects but she kept pushing anyways. That's a mindset question, and it can absolutely burn you out.

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>>107252709
>being a holo is easy.
anyone wanna tell him?

>>107251318
kanatan is kinda dumb, just pull an ayame and work less

>>107252709
It's going to be hard being a deaf streamer, but she doesn't have to be a wagie either.
Probably already has enough money not to worry about future (or at least near future) and can settle with just opening a small shop or something

>>107251318
Grok condense this into 3 sentences please

>>107252801
we'll just call her a lazy whore. there's no winning this.

>>107251318
>quitting because of health issues
>so she will be getting a normal japanese meatgrinder job instead
is she stupid?

>>107252667
>if you look at Shiori it's clear their contract is far less strict than the older JP ones
Yeah it seems like Cover becoming public is really screwing over the girls who were in beforehand. I can imagine their existing contract was worded vaguely enough so that when Cover went public, the additional shit they had to do fit into their contract, making it be something that is contractually obligated.

>>107252841
>we'll just call her a lazy whore
Yeah, but we are irrelevant. Meanwhile she could still have a decent paycheck without wageslaving.

>>107252673
japan has disability benefits, if she's deaf-enough that probably could be a thing. if not then I dunno.

my assumption is she has lost too much of her sense of balance to continue to be able to perform. which precludes being an idol etc.

>>107252801
You can't convince me that Ayame isn't from well means and can just coast as a consequence.

>>107252554
Nigga I don't even like her and I can empathize about going deaf in this industry.
Her leaving is probably the b st she can do for her mental health.

>>107252898
she's probably reacher than you sea browns

>>107252817
>It's going to be hard being a deaf streamer
Why?? Why do you need ears for streaming?

>>107252801
It's the retarded nippon shame culture brain virus.
She doesn't want to feel shunned for not working as much as her genmates. She doesn't want to feel worthless when she doesn't attend lives.
In Japan, expectations rule their mental well-being. It's not like the carefree West where no one gives a fuck about anything so long as they get what they want.

>>107252998
yes I made a typo *richer

>>107251318
>Has her own passion projects
>Managements pushed other projects onto her
>Those took a lot of her time and energy
>Still wanted to do her own passion projects
>Ended up overworking
>Her health ended up worsening
>Couldn't take it anymore
You fags can't read.

>>107251556
>YASSSSS QWEEN SLAY ALL GIRLS THAT GRADUATE ARE BITCHES AND EVIL MY CORPO CAN DO NO WRONG!!!
Holobronies could be some of the most pathetic cucks on this entire site. Even worse than tendies somehow. They font like talents they literally WORSHIP the brand.

>>107253291
*dont like talents

>>107251318
Did her hearing get worse due to her condition or no? I know her condition could eventually lead to her being deaf.

>>107253183
>Quits the job
>No more chance to do her projects OR work at Hololive
Genius

>>107253321
Yes

>>107253183
thanks management

>>107252047
>And holodrones have the audacity to accuse critics of ESL when this is their defensive squad kek

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>>107253343
She fulfilled the big dream
Read the lyrics to "Last Resort" she's singing about putting everything into a final bullet and shooting it off.

I think the timeline is that she took on a million projects, some personal passion, some management. Her health deteriorated steadily. She decided to graduate many months ago. Did all her passion projects. Then foisted all the shit work into Oct/Nov, now it finished and she can announce it all retroactively.

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>>107251318
OOF

>>107253468
That's bullshit. If she completed all her passion projects then she can go on hiatus for next 6 months. She could very well semi-retire like Ayame.

>>107253481
So why'd you leave out the part where management told her to work less and she worked more anyways?

>>107252709
>work from home
Its hybrid, if anything. Girls like her who did more than just stream spent a lot of time in the studio and she even had her own solo live.
>you are highly paid
Only certain talents, and even if you are, you pay for things out of your own pocket, so the money gets constantly reinvested.

Not that I disagree that hololive is easy mode compared to being a wagie, but you should at least get the facts straight. Being in hololive is still punishingly hard work for anyone who wants to be the next Suisei or Pekora, but its still miles better than being a wagie since you don't become a Suisei or a Pekora no matter how hard you work as a wagie.

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>>107253537
Not all, but the main one.
This is the crux of it anyway.

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>>107253582
cause its funnier this way

>>107253343
>No more chance to do her projects OR work at Hololive
She can't do that anymore, due to her health and the fact that the company won't change anytime soon.
Read >>107253632

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>>107253719

>>107251318
>even went through the effort of translating everything to english despite being a JP Holo

Hololive just lost one of the best it ever had. Unironically feels like this company wont last much longer.

>>107251318
>out of my scope
Are all bitches so fucking stupid? If someone told me to do somthing out of scope in work.
I would ask for additional money or they can fuck off. Lmao, why would you do shit for free?
What would they do, fire her? I doubt that.

>>107253755
>She can't do that anymore, due to her health
Yeah, because she stubbornly wanted to continue working on her projects when her health was already bad. Now she has no health, no projects, no fucking nothing. It's a woman moment. I'm 99% sure we will see her again.

>>107253786
>What would they do, fire her? I doubt that.
They would schedule a meeting with ojisans from executive board.

>>107253786
>I would ask for additional money or they can fuck off.
I mean, considering the nature of her work, it was probably events and promotional work which would, in fact, get her additional money. I'm not sure why you think money has anything to do with what she's talking about.

>>107252047
With Kanata, I honestly get it. Having the legs chopped off of you when you have to stop doing all the bullshit that makes Cover money because your health issues means it's a pretty dead-end scenario. At some point you won't have the ad dollars to keep doing the idol thing, and it's better to leave while you're doing alright than to grind yourself into dust as you get less and less.

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>>107251318
No idea where to post this, I'll just choose this thread.

Meniere's disease progressively gets worse as you age.
In fact, streamer job is probably among the most best jobs you can have for Meniere's disease, so quitting and saying she won't reincarnate was a massive fucking fail.
You don't have to listen well.
You can work from home.
You decide when to work.
No one is going to care if you're having a dizziness spell and are suddenly incapable of standing upright.
You can have breaks whenever the fuck you want.

The only person with Meniere's disease I know works a similar job.
He's a software engineer who works from home and decides his own work hours. He's living life on ultra easy mode.
Streamer job is a perfect fucking fit for her condition.

I present two options.
She either lied about her boyfriend/husband, or she lied about wanting to return to her previous job.
The former option implies that she is dreading the fact that her disease will render her incapable of rearing a young child if she lets it advance too far.
The latter option doesn't require any explanation

If she didn't lie about anything, I can see her coming back as a streamer regardless after realizing how much she fucked herself over.

>>107251556
kys retard

>>107252389
especially when they're all women

>>107254096
she's not an indie whore anon most of your points don't apply

>>107251647
it's still okay to go public if you do it like Google or Facebook, dual-class stock gives you access to public capital without sacrificing control.

>>107251318
>many of the underlying causes involved broader structural or organizational challenges that could not easily be fixed
>handling ordering and coordination tasks that had not been clearly assigned between departments
Surely one of the cryptobros or FAANG CEOs figured out how to get salarymen to not stonewall and just do their fucking jobs by now, right?
This doesn't sound like a "going public" problem or even growth in general. Like the perms guy who deleted a bunch of permissions requests because it was too much and fucked the metrics. I sense typical office job fiefdoms and working directly to metrics and about 2 loafs of not-my-job-kanata-san.

>>107254096
Kanata is a true unicorn Anon.
The fact that she went out of her way to say she's not getting married or pregnant during the stream is one proof.
Then the stream where she cried when her oshi singer got married.
Then all her talks about her loving women and never forgiving idols who betray her fans.

She would be the BIGGEST hypocrite if she reincarnated
Nimi's lore drop is at least consistent with Nimi's character. People projected unicorn status onto her.
Kanata however is self declared.

>>107254096
Ah yes Kanata, the Hololive member who did nothing but stream video games and never anything else, nope no sololive no siree

Its like you fags think every member is Gura.

>>107253786
The 'additional money' was opportunties to do idol work more often. That's what the dangle over the heads of everyone at this point, and why you saw a chunk leave last year, because they didn't give that much of a shit about idol stuff

>>107252506
she doesn't need to, her dad is probably some rich white guy.

>>107254509
yjk

>>107251318
Damn, Mumei's looking like a clown for not being willing to speak this explicitly in comparison.

>>107252452
kys dipshit

>>107252452
She posted it herself in English.

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>>107254203
Becoming an "indie whore" is the right choice now, genius.
That type of work is hyper-compatible with her illness.

Even in her current occupation, she could have just told people that she won't be able to participate in events that require her to leave her house.
She literally has receipts for why she can't work certain jobs, and we've seen much worse laziness in other talents that was well-tolerated by upper-management.

No one would have questioned it. We know of her condition. We know that graduating is worse for everyone involved.

>>107254399
That's very admirable that she is intentionally crippling herself.
I hope staying true to imaginary concepts was worth giving up the only opportunities she has to a life that isn't absolutely miserable.

>>107254407
Who are you talking to?
>nope no sololive no siree
She won't be able to perform sololives as a store clerk, what is your point even?

>>107254407
>Its like you fags think every member is Gura.
Gura would not have had to do TPS reports for her sololive because the purchasing department was buying another 500 unity assets for Holoearth or whatever.
>>107253786
So then you'd get blamed for not being a team player, probably lazy, and whatever opportunity you're doing wouldn't happen and would get canceled.

>>107254540
you mean fauna?

>>107254540
>>107254650
The more that happens on the JP side the more I'm realizing that the EN side is not only not normal for a vtuber company, it's not even normal for Hololive. For whatever reason they always feel like they're walking on eggshells and I'm not sure why, I always heard it was the JP fanbase that was supposed to be the insecure ones that they were always careful not to piss off. Who exactly is the EN fanbase made of that they've decided they need to be treated delicately for things that the JP side can talk about like adults? It's clearly not on a talent-by-talent basis because all of them in EN are like this, so it's orders coming from the top for some reason.

>>107251318
Management again. Fuck they are killing Hololive.

>>107254626
Gura would not have had to do TPS reports for her sololive because she's too lazy to even consider doing one.

>>107251969
they knew these projects were important and cannot be left unatended, they were mogging her.

>>107251318
Hololive should be bending over backwards to keep these girls happy and healthy not working them like pack mules. Total failure to align incentives.

>>107254835
But money for the company!

>>107254835
>Hololive should be bending over backwards to keep these girls happy and healthy not working them like pack mules.
They are. Notice how Kanata was advised to work LESS by her managers?
Also, explain streamers like Ayame who only check in for a quick paycheck inbetween getting dicked by rich men.

>>107254882
You do realise what taking on less work means, right? She didn't want to be ause she knew it would affect her ability to do what she looked forward to doing the most, idol work.

>>107254997
>She didn't want to be ause she knew it would affect her ability to do what she looked forward to doing the most, idol work.
Nigga, she just went from less idol work to NO IDOL WORK.

>>107254997
So, again, instead of compromising and reconsidering personal priorities she decides to quit, losing the ability to carry on with her personal project and idol work at the same time. I have no clue what Kanata was doing before Hololive but I am afraid the Mikofag is correct and she will quickly get to regret her choice.

>>107251962
>a place with only women
of fucking course it is full of animosity and backstab, holobronies delude it is a yuri paradise is funny lmao

>>107254997
If she had a brain, she'd at most go on hiatus or affiliate. She's too menhera to see a future past whatever current issue she causes for herself. And they claim it was to avoid leaks but it's obvious they didn't tell anyone because any other member could immediatley talk her out of her retardation.

>>107254650
No, Fauna did what she did on purpose. Mumei was the closest thing to Kanata before Kanata but she struggled so much to just say things that her delusional fanbase ignored everything she said and reinterpreted it. Mumei's fans want to lump her in with all the others while Kanata from the jump tells her fans to go fuck themselves if they even think of lumping her in with the whores and grifters.

>>107255173
How do you not see that curbing all of that results in her not getting what she wants or looks forward to?
>Get tired
>Have health problems
>Take on less work
>Get less opportunities you want because Cover gives it to others willing to do more work
>Repeat cycle until you're left with nothing you like
It's literally being backed into a corner and what constant promotion of 'growth' gets you.

>>107254621
>Becoming an "indie whore" is the right choice now
and become just like delutaya? porbably not worth it.

>>107251318
I still don't understand why she can't continue as indie. There is literally a 87(!)yo vtuber. you want to convince me Kanata have a worse health than 87yo granny? or working 8hr as a cashier is healthier? oh, but it's Japan so probably 12+hr. not to mention money, which she definitely need if she had a health problems. she can just turn stream for 1h\week and got more money than on ordinary job.
total bs, she's definetly getting marry or something

>>107251318
What exactly does Cover keep shanghaing these girls to work on behind the scenes that constantly backlogs them for months at a time?

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>>107251318
Fubuki: "I'm still here though, fuck that bitch"

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>>107254835
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
Hmm about that

>>107251996
Both Kanata and Haachama talked about cliques forming and people having parties at each others houses all the time while they each toiled alone as always.

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Also i already noticed how every single one (yes EVERY) of the holo appearing in atahuta doujin collectiong are the one graduating, and now even Kanata happened lol
i guess you can expect Matsuri to be next since she the only one left now with Azki

>>107251962
b-b-but fubuki said "As long as I'm here..." kek

>twitter is saying that the reason she's living is because of her disease
It's funny how much they gaslight themselves.

>>107256292
Kanata refused to confide in her own friends when they tried to help her.

>>107256292
No no, evetything is fine!
Seriously though, resentment can build when a group seems to get prefetential treatment from management and you're left off alone to 'fend for yourself'.

Everyone saying
> B-but management asked her to work less!
is forgetting that if you work less then things don't get done.
Saying "Work less" is saying "How about we delay or cancel these things?" and since it was her concert they were fumbling with their interdepartmental buffonery, delaying or cancelling isn't an option when you have a shrinking window of being physically able to perform.

>>107256125
Stuff that they chose to take on themselves according to her and the few others that do it. In this case a lot of it had to be graduation stuff, so it was actually a result of the graduation rather than the cause of it. Unless you believe she decided this on a whim yesterday to graduate.

>>107256292
all while Kanata clique got fired from the company

>>107256073
She had steadfast unicorn morals as a vtuber even when her forrmer girlfriend publicly shit on her for that stance. That means she sees morality in black and white and doesn't want to be like her degenerate peers.

>>107253786
>Lmao, why would you do shit for free?
who said she did them for free?

>>107251318
why won't she keep working as a streamer (indie)? that's the ideal job for her condition

>>107256406
Her concert's over now. You're saying she pursued her concert so much because she already decided to graduate after it. That means that Cover could have done nothing to stop her, she'd already decided to take on the work precisely because she planned to graduate after it. All they could have done is put her on forced hiatus.

>>107251318
So one thing I'm taking away from this
Kanata's own stubbornness, Management's ineptitude and Cover's ossified corpo bureaucratic structure pushed forward her inevitable exit by X months/years.
We could have had so much more time with her if one or both sides would have taken the fucking foot off the gas pedal

>>107256406
I can't believe just how retarded people are around here. There's a bunch of examples of talents talking almost entirely directly about performance and sales affecting them and their goals as a whole. Doing less for the people who hold the keys means they unlock the doors less often for you.

>>107256511
And since her situation was apparently unique, we can't even try to apply it as a lesson to learn from.

>>107252358
that doesn't disprove what he said. you choosing to do what you promised to do (group collab) despite being busy can absolutely be considered a "professional" decision. the only mention of "relationship" is in the title and it isn't implying it's personal one-to-one relationships but rather her interactions with them.

>>107256371
That's not the reason she's leaving, but that's a good reason to stay or become a streamer again.
Meniere's disease requires a lot of co-operation and compromises with your employer, which can be very difficult in a Japanese work environment.
A dizzy episode is no joke, she can literally stop functioning for an entire day on a heavy episode.
Other times, her work performance is going to be very sporadic and underwhelming.

If she had mentioned her troubles to a good friend, they would have immediately talked her out of it or at the very least encouraged her to reincarnate.

>>107256511
I'm guessing she overworked herself because she wanted to achieve as much as she could musically before her ear disease really made it impossible. Japs have always been retarded about health

>>107256371
They complain about """antis""" twisting things while not bothering to read what the talent said themselves.
Twitterfreaks are completely detached from reality, they only follow headcanons.

>>107255178
thank god for clio, amirite, phase xister?

>>107256406
Yeah, what went down was
>she expected to work x hours on company stuff and y on her own
>meniere gets worse, so she has to rush and y gets bigger
>Holo gets bigger, and x grows
>when discussing it with managers, they propose her to slow down her own project

>>107256491
I'm saying she pursued her concert because she wanted it to happen while she could still do it, not at some unknown point in the future when they'd be busy with other things and probably fumble it again.
How they handled it is why she decided to graduate. She realised it would always be her sacrificing herself to get things across the line because they can't do their fucking jobs.

>>107256606
Hey now, you can't stop making money for the company!

>>107256194
>He thinks American corpo laws affect japanese one.
Fucking retard.

>>107251318
This entire thing has been written by some manager or PR whatever, she's coming back as an indie

>>107252427
If you're 6 years deep in Hololive and NOT have enough money invested to live comfortably, something went wrong.

>>107256371
They aren't wrong. That's *part of* the reason why she is leaving and likely why she won't return to the entertainment scene, much less being a vtuber again

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Reading this thread I really wonder how many many people even knew basic stuff about Kanata. I feel bad people are using a person with a disease in ear that has had it for like 10 years with her getting worst and worst to shitpost about. She was aware she would only be able to do long with it with how much hearing she as lost at this point and why she said she was pushing to to do stuff she dreamed of with her sololive and so on and why she won't be able to really return to be a vtuber or singing since that's what she wants.

>>107257312
Hey Twitter person, I've got some new information for you that you've never read before: https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/1995775327227052110

>>107254997
Yes, but what is the alternative? Official projects are already mostly optional (they can even sit out on HoloFes and two members already did before) so most of their workloads came from personal projects.
Doing less works means growing slower as an idol but there is no other way around it. It's like how there rarely is any kind of food that can be both cheap, good (tasty + healthy) and can be prepared quicky. In Kanata's case (or idols in general), they just can't be "happy and healthy not working like pack mules" and growing as idols at the same time. If anything, Hololive already has way less mandatory official activities compared to actual idols

>Hololive has a clique
Kek,You guys said there was a clique in Niji?
Wtf lmao
Hololive is black company

>>107257342
>Literally talked about her health which her ear disease is part of
>Also mentioned (not on that twitter post) that the management suggested her to adjust and reduce the workload, but she didn't want to
Perhaps you should watch her stream(s) more

>>107257342
No shit I read it anon, but do you watch her streams as well? You are using a god damn auto translate post to shit corpo post. This has been coming for a long time and it's the whole reason she won't even be coming back, it's just hard on her at this point with her hearing to do even streaming stuff really.
I hate you faggots so fucking much that don't watch shit and use a girl going death to prop up your shitposting. I hate you faggots so fucking much and that's all this board is now, no one who gives a fuck about the girls.

>>107257369
The alternative is not focusing on year over year growth, pushing out products constantly, and enjoying your time as a medium-sized idol. Do you think talents were disappointed in the past when they were given sololives in 1-2k person venues?

>>107257369
holofes is still the biggest waste of time and resources ever.

>Using a death girl who can't even reincarnate cause of her problem to shitpost about Hololive
Holy shit Nijifaggots reaching a low here.

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>>107257449
I can save you

>>107257424
>enjoying your time as a medium-sized idol
The point was that Kanata didn't want that. Her workloads were decided mostly by herself. Cover's YoY growth or their supposed desire to push out products constantly had little to nothing to do with it. That's why people brought up that Cover wanted to reduce her workload. They didn't want her to keep working, she convinced them to let her.
>Do you think talents were disappointed in the past when they were given sololives in 1-2k person venues?
No, I don't. However, what they wanted in the past isn't the same as what they want now, though. The group grew and they themselves grew. Many of them - Kanata included - wanted more now.

>>107257399
>>107257405
Seethe more. That's the official translation. I know about her disease, she knows about her disease, she doesn't mention her disease, because that's not why she's graduating. I know it's gotten worse recently and she's spoken about that and had to stream less. But she planned the graduation long before that, which you'd know if you read the announcement instead of immediately creating your own headcanon where no one is at fault.

>>107257529
But we have a ton of examples of talents talking about how they need to take on the shit work or be left behind by the company, as in 'do this or we'll stop supporting you in the ways you want/need for your goals'.

>>107257613
You are using a girl going deaf to prop up shitposting, holy fuck, kill yourself.

>>107251318
What is up with the Japanese work culture of "I must work so hard I burn out and become of husk of who I was"?

>>107251962
Apparently Kanata was on very bad terms with Watame. Also I wonder what the hell happened with Marine

>>107251836
no that isn't a nimi thing dude idols in general typically have "no boys" clauses and any implied or actual romance is a huge scandal

I dunno about virtual idols, but this is japan we're talking about

>>107257628
>do this or we'll stop supporting you in the ways you want/need for your goals
Give an example where they said that explicitly because that and
>they need to take on work or be left behind
are two vastly different things. Yes, they have to take on work (shit or not) if they want to grow. That's part of being an idol. You can't just sit around doing nothing and become one of the top idols - well, without some miraculous luck which doesn't apply to most people. That doesn't mean taking jobs aren't optional - technically, a girl can opt out of everything if she is satisfied with having little to no growth (Holo standards). Kanata didn't want to, though

>>107257653
It's not shitposting, it's the listed reasons why she's leaving.
You're the one ignoring what she used many streams, and finally her graduation, to say because you want the illusion of a happy family for the oshi marks in your bio.
Or in your language: You're ignoring the final message and pleas of a girl who's going deaf, holy shit kill yourself.

>>107257791
You are ignoring what she said at all and just taking out of context what you want to shitpost. I
hope you get cancer or something for real. Holy shit.

>>107257791
She mentioned her health. Her disease was part of her health. You are just trying to claim that her health wasn't explicitly her disease so it had nothing to do with it which makes no sense.

>>107257775
Take work or be left behind is the same exact thing as the first one, but for some reason your brain can't connect them. This is an entertainment job at the end of the day, so what your fans want is the most important, not what some fag sitting at a desk in the office thinks is important. I'll give you that your reach can be extended by being offered things like that Mc Donalds ad campaign, but no one is going to stick with you because they saw your ad for a burger, they're going to stick with your because your content resonates with them. The more the burge ads creep in, the less time and energy you have to keep those people who're coming in the door.

>>107257714
The Source? Your cryptic dreams

>>107251499
keeping the talents while they are hurting is better

>>107257857
>>107257834
Reddit spacing to help you understand:

She lists three reasons why she's graduating:
1. Extra workload caused by interdepartmental failures.
2. Crunch caused by lousy scheduling.
3. The effect of both of those on her health.

That is not the same as "My health is making it harder to work". It's literally the opposite: "My work is making it harder to stay healthy".

Also note that the issues aren't normal workload. In both cases they're specific failings by the company that she went into detail describing on stream, and has talked about in past streams and with Yagoo at a tea party, BUT NOTHING CHANGED.

Your toxic positivity isn't helping, it's part of the problem, Haachama specifically called out people like you in her last stream.

>>107258026
Read my post about you getting cancer again.
I think it might help you kill yourself

>>107258026
>Now he brings up the mentally unwell Haachama who was off her meds and finally was pushed into getting help
Holy shit you are the lowest of low dog shit, kill yourself. I won't even reply back again to someone so disgusting, so don't even reply back to me or I'm afraid I will get aids or something

>>107258026
I'm gonna go ahead and confirm that あなたは日本語が理解できません。because you're wildly twisting it out of context or purpose to stir shit or you're just a retard.

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>>107258109
Oh wow all the evidence and statements presented by herself are suddenly disproven by the outstanding rebuttal of telling me to kill myself, but also wishing cancer will kill me. I'm sorry reality is painful to you. It must be hard only being willing to listen to your oshi when they're laughing and happy.

Attached are translations from her stream if you ever decide to support her by hearing her final statement instead of holding your plushie, sobbing and lashing out.

>>107251318
May she rest in peace

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>Guy trying to twist shit into shitposting about Hololive
How brown do you have to be to do this lamo? It's a little disgusting

>>107258185
You don't need to start sentences with あなたは when it's understood by the context who the person is you're referring to. And using あなた at all is unnatural in conversation, but it's what Google spits out when enter phrases in English so I understand why you used it.

>>107257405
If her hearing is so foregone she can't even do normal streams anymore, what even kind of work can she do? Like what normie jobs in Japan have support for hearing disabled?

>>107257912
>This is an entertainment job at the end of the day, so what your fans want is the most important, not what some fag sitting at a desk in the office thinks is important
What matters is what the girls want, not what their fans want. Sometimes those two might overlap but not always.
>Take work or be left behind is the same exact thing as the first one
They aren't the exact same thing. The former implied a threat or demand / pressure (at least to some extents) from the company, the latter was more of the nature of the job.

>>107256470
I'm guessing if she can't sing/perform because of her condition then just streaming wouldn't be enough for her so she's trying to make a clean break with everything related to it.

>>107258333
Open a shop (i.e: clothes) and hire an employee or two

>>107258333
That's kinda what I'm wondering really. I know guy wants to shitpost about here, but she really would have to cancel even normal streams and lay down for that day a lot for the past awhile now just due to her vertigo being so bad.
I guess unless you watched her you wouldn't know how much a struggle it was becoming.

>>107258152
>Don't believe anything Haachama said
>She is now better off that her family is looking after her
>The same family who she claimed abused her
You really aren't coming off as well as you think you are and are reinforcing the stereotype of the exact type of fan that Haachama was denouncing

>>107258333
Anything where the primary communication is via email or corporate IM?

>>107258026
>3. The effect of both of those on her health.
You realized that her health is also affected by her ear disease, right? It's part of her health. You can't mention her health and then say that her ear disease had nothing to do with it.
It's more that "My work is making it harder to stay healthy (with my ear disease on top)"

>>107258406
You are lowest of low dogshit, Jesus. I know you want shitpsot, but using girls with health problems to do so is fucking low I don't know if you're a human being . Like hiding behind sick girls to shitpost is so low I don't even anymore.
Like Chama needs help and I hope she get's it, but else can you do since they can't force you get help and they can't force you away from you parents

>>107251318
So in summary
>Cover tried to keep their payroll to a minimum by pawning off managerial and clerical duties onto more senior talents
>these duties involved overwhelming workloads on tight schedules that precluded maintaining their streaming activities and their own projects
>in addition, their own projects were often put on unrealistically condensed timetables due to scheduling failures on the part of the wider company's management.
>implied that she was not receiving additional compensation for these tasks, which caused the mandated neglect of her channel to seriously affect her financial stability in addition to her health
>lastly, there were long-running personality conflicts among talents behind the scenes that persistently interfered with her ability to perform the managerial duties being delegated to her
>she has flagged these issues with Cover for years and received only promises of future improvements with no concrete steps to realize them
What's most interesting about all of this isn't just the soft confirmation of simmering tension between early gen jp talents that have been rumoured for ages and a vindication of Haachama's schizo rant, but the fact that senior talents who struggle to stream more than once in a blue moon have been shifted into managerial roles that force them to neglect their streaming activities.

>>107258337
You need drive to keep going in a job like this, which is where you get some clashing between old and new for how Cover and talents have been operating recently. And yes, what the fans want is very important and they used to care a lot about that.

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>>107258406
They probably still cling to the headcanon that Sana retired because of her back. Not because she wanted gacha bucks.

Imagine Kanata has to do this too. "Stop telling people I'm deaf and can't work a normal job, it's interfering with my ability to get hired. That's not why I graduated, I thought I spelled that out."

>>107251640
sounds like what someone who graduated because of a partner or marriage would say.

>>107251640
Nimi crying and shitting herself

>>107258532
But what the girls want should still be the most important factor.
Take Kanata's case for example: if they wanted her not to graduate at all cost, they could've just forcibly taken her off all projects (well, she might not be happy about it, but that's another issue). They didn't do so because she didn't want them to do so - or either they went against what she wanted or, well, this happens.

>>107258518
Nah dude, totally false, it was all her ear disease and there's nothing wrong at Cover. Just ignore her repeated statements.

>>107252629
It will look bad for cover when ex talent show up as destitute, like how it looks bad for pro sports leagues when that happens. If cover was smart they would have mandatory financial literacy class for talents, like the sports league do. Doesn't need to be complicated, just enough to get it in their heads that the entertainment industry is not a stable career choice and they should be saving and investing more than the average person for their own future happiness.

>>107258561
NTA, but you likely don't watch her stream. She said last year that she still had back issue, just that it wasn't as horrible as retards thought and it's part of her normal life. Her back issue was a factor in her graduation, it just wasn't the only one.

>>107258561
The funny thing is that it is now december and FGO fags STILL dont have any news about the game is ending.
Wanting to keep the gacha money flowing.

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Hey anon, have you drunk your own piss yet?

>>107258594
Her mental illness was the biggest contributing factor as she admitted and has made clear for years.

>>107258613
Just be smart like La+ and let her mom keeps all her money (she gets part of it back as monthly allowance, though)

>>107258594
I feel bad for Kanata but she really came in with the steel chair for Haachama here. It's a lot easier to be taken seriously when it's not so emotional.

holofags truly are shameless

>>107258518
She literally said that it was her unique case, though?

>>107258508
Funny part is that's not even (me).

But you really need to get some new material. You can't just insult everyone when they prove you wrong repeatedly. When you grow up and get a job and people say things you don't like, you actually need to have a rebuttal with reason and logic, not just call them a poopyassface who should die.

>>107258587
Factor to who? Management?

>>107258734
Yes, to the management. I'd say to the girls themselves, too - they should do what they want to and not just what their fans want to, unless they decided themselves that they want to do what their fans want.

>>107258713
That's referring to the crushing workload destroying her health and work/life balance, not the fact that she was expected to take on additional duties that detracted from streaming.
She further clarifies that the workload only got so bad because she chose to maintain her own projects instead of setting them to the wayside to focus on the tasks delegated by cover.

This is a necessary disclaimer because of course Japan is still very conscious of the tendency for companies to take over their employees lives and work them to the breaking point. She's clarifying that she was not just dumped a crushing workload and abandoned to her fate, but that she pushed privately to be permitted to be allowed to wear her old hat along with the new one, that this was an exception Cover made for her, and that the combined workload proved too much.

>>107251318
@grok summarize this in 15 words or less using xqc's speech pattern

>>107258646
Oh it's a mental illness now? I must have missed that. Guess we can throw out her entire graduation letter letter about work conditions since it's just the ramblings of a madwoman.
Just like you did with Haachama.

>>107253786
It is so funny that zoomers have no idea how companies work. You will have a rough awakening when you need to get a job kid.

>>107258774
Sure, but management also cares about money a lot and it's one of their primary focuses. Getting a talent to make a bunch gives the talent more opportunity to get what they want because the company as a whole sees it as a better investment. If you wanna just do your own thing and enjoy yourself, you can do what Shiori does, and she still gives a little bit because management really wanted to push Advent.
I'm getting really fucking tired of half of the talents I like complaining about workload and then crying about how they can't stream much anymore.

>>107258784
S-sss so like, this girl, like this angel child girl, is actually terminally ill

getting really hard to defend cover right now lads

>>107258844
Nice try phasenigger

>>107257662
I'm glad MY EIGO OSHI does not concern herself with being a retarded company slave

>>107258784
"Dude, I'm at work almost every fucking day, mid-maxing everything at once, it's so fucking exhausting, like I gotta put my fun on the ground just to deal with this shit, man!"

>>107257662
That's every artist ever anon, even flesh streamers have talked about doing events and shit not wanting to take breaks because the audience will forget them, this is an issue the entertainment company have been dealing with for decades

>>107258781
No, she mentioned it in point #1 which was about having to take on additional duties, and said that it was her unique case
>Later, after discussion with management, I received explanations that this situation was unique to me, and that improvements would be made so that other talents would not experience the same issues
The "crushing workload" was point #2

>>107253786
In all likelihood Cover has been pushing older members whose channels are no longer growing to 'mentor' newer gens and just quietly treating them as a substitute for actual managers.

You'll notice that among the first couple jp gens almost nobody actually streams regularly anymore. From cover's perspective it makes sense: use experienced employees to help the newer ones, use stagnant channels to boost the growth of newer channels. You may have also noticed how whenever a newer talent's channel is struggling, there's a flurry of collabs with gen 1/2 talents who haven't streamed in weeks to help prop up her algo exposure. The early gens have soft-retired into talent management positions

>>107258808
Work conditions that she specifically mentioned was brought on partly by herself?

>>107258784
"Dude, this extra work ain't even mine, and they keep dumping it on me. The company can't schedule for crap, so I'm stuck doing last-minute crunches all the time. It's wrecking my health, man—stress piling up with no breaks, and I'm just exhausted."

>>107258951
aka she was the first to complain out loud

>>107258990
He said XQC version, not phasefag version

>>107258951
Sounds like you've got a reading comprehension issue, ESLbro.

>>107258960
> it came to me in a dream

>>107258990
>Oh, so health problems? Saw a clip about that. Poor girl, but can't be helped.
Your average holodrone.

>>107258808
You're the one who is framing her mental illness as a thing to be demeaned about her.

>>107258882
>Actually no, you have to like less streams or you're some fag
Ok

>>107253291
>>107254129
Triggered females.

>>107258960
>You'll notice that among the first couple jp gens almost nobody actually streams regularly anymore
What were you talking about? Among the Gen 0-3 (GAMERS included), the only members who don't stream frequently are Ayame (Korone in Nov, too, but it was due to her mom's passing) and Marine (only since Oct '25).
Do anons even other fact checking before posting anymore?

>>107258844
It's obvious you watch only EN because you believe those lies. They don't actually want to stream, that's why they don't stream. It has nothing to do with workload because in the rare times where they explicitly tell you what work is preventing them from streaming, it's work that also needs to be done by all the members who stream without issue.

>>107259016
Ogey, saar

>>107258960
The biggest streamers in Hololive are all from the first couple JP gens. In your narrative the Holos that are in management positions are fucking Choco and Ayame somehow.

>Some fag wakes up and starts spamming PHASE and shitting on EN
Wow, what a surprise

>>107251962
sounds like she was resenting the time management tricked her into collabing with males like the minecraft incident I thought they've learned since but it was a long process from 2022 when they went crazy with pushing homoshit and esport shit nobody wanted.

Kanata works too hard, she needed to learn how to say no to work. She could have just refused the extra workload, it's not the end of the world. I might just be projecting my own lazy work ethic though.

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>>107258983
Kanata: Finally I get to have a live while i'm still healthy enough to perform!
Cover: *Dropping the ball over the place* "Uh, yeah, the only way this will happen is if you do it."
Kanata: *FineI'llDoItMyself.jpg*
Kanata: "Hey this extra work is kicking my ass, are you sure I'm meant to be doing it?"
Cover: "Yeah we can't because of reasons."
(Later)
Kanata: "Hey this extra work is REALLY kicking my ass. What gives?"
Cover: "Hey if you're stressed you can just not do it, just that your live won't happen and it will all be for nothing, but we totally support your decision, your health comes first!"
Kanata: "Fuck it and fuck you." *locks in*
Cover: "So hey, uh, now that you're done, we just wanted to say that other talents DIDN'T have to do what you did, that's not normal. We were just having a moment, some wires got crossed between departments. But hey, we'll make sure no one else has to do it in the future."
Kanata: "Fuck, this is how it's always going to be isn't it? I can't keep doing this." *Arranges to graduate on her anniversary*
(Several months pass, graduation is announced)
Anons: "So you see, it's a degenerative hearing disorder, so it's no one's fault really, just a sad curse of fate."

>>107259237
mindbroken

>>107256125
As far as I've heard from the girls themselves, they choose what they want and set schedules for those things but they often fall short in the expected time they take. Some things can only be done after a previous step is completed, which leads to bursts of activity and a chain of delays which can lead to some stuff getting delayed for months. Rescheduling is pretty hard because they work with freelancers(which have their own schedules) and studio availability, not being able to do *thing*today could mean having to wait 2 weeks, 2 months or more for a second chance.
You can add any potential shortfall from cover themselves could have, which can cause extra workloads, and you have a gigantic mess on your hands which might have been started by some faggot artist having a regularly scheduled melty.
This is not your average 9-5 job.

>>107259240
That's not the issue, she had a rough year, that's fine. Everyone with a job had one of those. But she graduated AFTER it was done and wouldn't happen again. That's just insane and it's clearly a self-esteem delusion issue from the type of person who locks herself out of her house and then refuses to take the homes offered by friends, which is why she didn't give her friends a chance to talk her out of this, because they could have with ease.

>>107259309
Or it's a repeated issue and she realised things would only stay the same or get worse in intensity in the future.

>>107259104
Is this a bot post or just delusional?
Among gen 0, the only talents who stream regularly are Sora, Azki (the two idols) and in a VERY loose definition of the term "regularly," Miko.
Roboco comes around once in a blue moon for a morning eating stream and Suisei rarely streams at all outside of some major event.
>gen 1
Matsuri and Aki stream once in a blue moon at the most. And both follow the same pattern of weeks without streams followed by a couple days of back to back streams and then disappearing again, with Aki also mostly streaming collabs or events.
Haachama obviously streams very little as well but she has been in school. Fubuki is the only talent this gen who streams regularly.
>gen 2
Subaru is the only member of this gen who streams like, ever. Before they graduated, both Aqua and Shion were basically inactive and lo and behold most of them are enormously more active as indies.

You can keep going up and you'll keep seeing this conspicuous pattern of ~2 weeks of nothing followed by 3-4 streams in quick succession usually including a collab and some event coverage then another absence and only a handful of channels that actually stream consistently and regularly.

>>107259424
Nobody thinks it's a repeated issue or will happen again in the future, not even the antis.

>>107259435
This isn't even good bait, where did you copypaste it from?

>>107259295
That was the first point, not the 2nd where she specifically mentioned that it was the other overlapping projects that they suggested her to adjust / reduce - which she didn't want to. You are trying to mix both her live and other projects together for whatever reason

>>107259448
>nobody
You should at least read Kanata's statement:
>I had been consulting the office about these issues for several years. However, resolving them would have required a fundamental review of organization's internal structure

>>107259539
She also goes on to say that improvements have been made and are continuing.

>>107251640
based

>>107259435
>Is this a bot post or just delusional?
>Among gen 0, the only talents who stream regularly are Sora, Azki (the two idols) and in a VERY loose definition of the term "regularly," Miko.
You know that you can easily look them up, right? The only talents who consistently streamed less than 10+ times a month (an average of at least one stream every 3 days) is Ayame. Marine did for two months (Oct and Nov) but I still counted her just for the sake of it.
>Matsuri and Aki stream once in a blue moon at the most.
Fucking retard. Matsuri streamed publicly 16 times in Nov (30 days) and Aki 13 times - mengen not included. That's an average of once every 2 and 2.3 days.
>both Aqua and Shion were basically inactive and lo and behold most of them are enormously more active as indies.
Neither is "enormously more active as indies". WTF were you talking about?
Here, look it up yourself: https://www.vstats.jp/brands/2

>>107259539
The issue that she graduated over is the one that was a one-off thing. Everything else is just called having a job.

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>>107259435
Here is your "enormously more active" indie

there's something not in the text version she posted
https://www.youtube.com/live/JNWya52F4q0?t=1434
>23:54
>また、タレント間の関係において、精神的に負担となる出来事が続いていました。
個人的な関係性というよりも、仕事として必要な範囲だけでも、きちんと連携が出来ればと考えていたのですが、
>それも難しくなってしまう場面が重なっていきました。
>そういった状況が続いていたことも、大きな悩みの一つになりました。
Also, there were a series of emotionally stressful incidents occurring in the relationships between our talents.
Rather than focusing on personal relationships, we had hoped to be able to work together properly, even if only to the extent necessary for work,
but a series of situations made that difficult.
These ongoing situations became a major concern.

>>107259711
It is in the translated part of her stream, though

>>107259658
>I had been consulting the office about these issues for several years. However, resolving them would have required a fundamental review of organization's internal structure, a I ultimately judged that it would be difficult for me to continue my activities in a sustainable way. For this reason, I decided to graduate.
You should really read her statement first.

>>107256328
it's crazy how all the ones I find sexo are graduating...
surely kanade is safe!

>>107259539
>>I had been consulting the office about these issues for several years.
Honestly feels like several talents in 2024 started to realize their issues with management would never be resolved. Having tea with Yagoo won't do any good if nothing changes and Hololive keeps making empty gestures that won't do anything to stop the graduation wave.

Once miko wins the game awards there will be nobody inside hololive able to stop her

join the lesbian orgy or graduate

>>107251962
This is about the Coco situation you 12 year old homos

>>107258622
NTA you were responding to but I think that is the point him and me are trying to get across, alot of Holo fans want to hyperfocus on just one reason for each of the graduations and pick the one least critical of Cover and be like 'well it can't be helped'. Each of the graduations has a myriad of reasons, some the company couldn't do anything about and thus they shouldn't be raked over the coals for...BUT there are definitely reasons that the company could have done better on but these want to be swept under the rug.
Here's Mumei herself getting pissy at the toxic positivity amongst the fanbase in her last members only stream and re-emphasizing for all the chucklefucks that there is more than one reason why she left and it was NOT ONLY due to her health concerns.
https://files.catbox.moe/86o92u.webm

>>107259539
I also work in a bureaucratic big corp. The solution is to simply ignore them and do stuff your own way, the rest of the org will adjust because they are forced to.

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>>107259528
Got one for that too:

Cover: "Hey, so the environmental artist we were using is now unavailable and the backup is only available in this earlier window, but the Director is only available in this tiny window before it, so you need to script out the whole Live with him within a few days, so we can get the artist to work. Also we have these other things that got pushed back, so now all your recording needs to be done in this narrow window. But we still need this, this and this, otherwise you can't do this that, and those."
Kanata: "This is ridiculous, how is that a reasonable request on top of my normal streaming and all that EXTRA work that I have to do because of 'reasons'?"
Cover: "Hey, if it's too much then you can just not do it, you decide how much you want to do after all. But then it obviously won't happen and you'll lose your timeslots with the artists and Director and the studio... But your health comes first so we TOTALLY support your decision to just toss everything you've spent years working towards in the trash, you'll still be healthy enough to pick this up again in...2027...right?"
Kanata: "Fine. I'll do it. But this is absurd. I've been asking you to fix these scheduling issues for YEARS. You promised me you were working on it."
Cover: "And we are. And change will happen...sometime...at some point...Yeah."
(Later)
Kanata: "Holy shit that was harder than I thought. I can't keep this up, but it just KEEPS ON HAPPENING. It's been years already, I can't trust that anything is going to change, I have to look out for my own wellbeing." *Arranges to graduate on her anniversary*
(Several months pass, graduation is announced)
Anons: There's no cure, and it causes tinnitus and vertigo too, truly an awful disease.

>>107260167
>Fine. I'll do it.
This is where she should have told them to fuck off. She wouldn't be graduating if she did.

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>>107260247
Yeah I wonder what projects that released in the last several months were so important she felt compelled to push through.

>>107260167
>We still need this, this and this, otherwise you can't do this that, and those
Why are you trying to put words into their mouth? Large majority of talents' workloads are their personal projects so no, they didn't "NEED this, this and this, otherwise you can't do this that, and those".
It's more accurate that they said "Well, you seem overworked. Maybe we can adjust and do this and this some other time? We don't need those anyway" and Kanata herself said "No, I really want to do those, so just let me do it, please?".
Again, as I said in another post, there is no other way around it. Being an idol IS hard work. Unless you are extremely fortunate (which most people including Kanata isn't), there is no other choice but to do a lot of work. There is no simple "just fix these scheduling" because there are only 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and the studio was already massively overbooked outside of hiring more people and building more studio(s) which, again, doesn't happen overnight. They are working on it, though - again, Kanata herself said it: "management did make efforts within their abilities". Kanata's health doesn't allow her to just wait another months or even years for it to bear fruits, though.
Otherwise, their only choice if they wanted to make sure Kanata was healthy (as healthy as she could with her disease) was to take her off her projects against her wills.

>>107260022
This is a retarded cope a lot of people like you want to believe. They aren't picking the option that is least critical of Cover, they are trying to pick the option that is least critical of the talent herself. Saying it was something that can't be helped is much easier to defend than, "she had a woman moment and all the support I ever gave her was in support of a lie".

>>107260402
That's one (singular) project, not projectS in plural

>graduates mostly because of overworking
>declined when the company offered to reduce workload
ppt...

>>107259845
>NO YOU CAN'T BADMOUTH THE COMPANY!
I really hate that this place is filled with people who think like this and people who think the complete opposite. Nothong but extremes and if you post anything between you're a shill and a phasefag at the same time.

>>107253786
All you have to know is Ayame is still part of the company. She's persistent proof that you can just not work in that company and no one will do anything about it. I'll never buy this shit about them buying busy.

>>107260167
>Kanata: "This is ridiculous, how is that a reasonable request on top of my normal streaming and all that EXTRA work that I have to do because of 'reasons'?"
>Cover: "Hey, if it's too much then you can just not do it, you decide how much you want to do after all. But then it obviously won't happen and you'll lose your timeslots with the artists and Director and the studio... But your health comes first so we TOTALLY support your decision to just toss everything you've spent years working towards in the trash, you'll still be healthy enough to pick this up again in...2027...right?"
I feel like this is the thing everyone misses and why cover really is to blame for a lot of this shit despite being supportive on paper

It's easy to say "Well if she's being overworked then she should just say no" but Cover makes all this scheduling so ridiculous that if you genuinely want to be involved in projects you absolutely need to overwork yourself otherwise they'll just pass you up for opportunities and you'll miss out on these things. It feels like so many things come with a trade off.

>>107260549
Yup, none of the talents have ever been fired for not doing work.

>>107260437
And lo and behold the common holodrone tactic, when backed into a corner they redirect and don't refute what you say but rather attack the talent since they are no longer part of the corpo

>>107260548
You can criticize the company, but if your argument is retarded, people can criticize you as well

>>107260549
Ayame do exactly what she paid for, being cute

>>107260590
So you admit it's her own fault? What's the issue here. Why is it so upsetting to you that she herself realized she can't handle a high stakes high reward job? Why do you need to live in a world where women just get all the money and success they want just as long as they happen to get nepohired by the right company.

>>107260022
>Here's Mumei herself getting pissy at the toxic positivity amongst the fanbase in her last members only stream and re-emphasizing for all the chucklefucks that there is more than one reason why she left and it was NOT ONLY due to her health concerns.
>https://files.catbox.moe/86o92u.webm
Thank god someone bothered to save this. I still get annoyed seeing people months later act like health issues were the only thing that caused Mumei to leave

>>107260639
This thread is full of fags acting like Cover is murdering children and stepping way out of bounds and people crying about how Kanata said that Cover is perfect and it's purely her hearing that caused her to quit. Insanity from all ends.

>>107260638
Kanata will always be part of Hololive, she told you to kill yourself in her own graduation. You will never have her, no matter how much you cry and shit youself over it.

>>107256328
Also Marine alway missing from the doujin because she have back problem or whatever is peak irony, guess we will really get our 70 year old pirate stream

>>107260675
We know it couldn't just be her health issues because her swearing off vtubing altogether and repeatedly shitting on the HoloEN fanbase is not a health thing.

An obvious question for coverbros itt: if the main reason for her graduation is her progressing meniere's disease, why did she decide to say all this stuff you are bending backwards to interpret in Cover's favor at all? This was a preplaned statement, not a spontaneous rant.
>The reason is my deteriorating health, please don't blame anyone.
would be more than enough.

>>107260590
Holo made its bank and popularity on streaming. Some talents were really interested in the side stuff of idol work. If you want to do concerts or any extracaricular outside of streaming, that's on you and requires extra work. What sucks is that Cover has been pivoting a bit and putting more emphasis on idol and ad work, which eats into the core of what talents actually get viewership for, and as a result they're given the option of looking 'lazy' to some for not participating in events or promotions as much or streaming less for their core audience. Sometimes the idol stuff is a bit important to the talent's viewers, but usually it's secondary.

>>107260772
> if the main reason for her graduation is her progressing meniere's disease
It's not the main reason. It's part of the reasons. Everything built up. It's not just her deteriorating health, but her deteriorating health makes it hard for her to keep working how it is currently and she understood that it will take a long time for Cover to be able to make a change

>>107259435
you retard. Miko streams more than any zerokisei dumbass

>>107260883
So the main reason is holo management being a shitshow, QED.

>>107260452
You wanted me to make a collage? She also dropped an album and had numerous orisongs and MVs to launch to help promote the concert.
It's not one (singular) project when many other projects roll into it.
In Project Management work we call it a Program, which is the umbrella for multiple simultaneous or sequential Projects that are presided over by the same committee (Kanata etc) for the same goal, but bring on different team members per project (songs, art, MV, album, promotion, all the elements of the concert itself).
The optional parts in that are not releasing her new songs as an album, not having MVs for any of her new songs, not having new songs at all, having less songs in the concert (even though it's live they still need choreo, lighting etc done beforehand), etc, etc.
Many corners that can be cut if you don't care about your legacy or have endless time to build it. But she knew she only had one shot at this.

>>107260954
It's this kind of retarded post that people shat on. Even Kanata herself said otherwise, btw

>>107260772
She's probably trying to protect her reputation with fans, and show some loyalty to other talent in the company who are facing the same issues. She supported Chama in October (tweet below). Since it was mostly radio silence from JP members, her heart is very clearly with the people she cares about. If her career at Cover is ending, she doesn't need to worry about currying favor or burning bridges.
https://x.com/kanatan_daisuki/status/1984245417064951810

>>107258518
>Cover tried to keep their payroll to a minimum by pawning off managerial and clerical duties onto more senior talents
you spew this bullshit while pretending to summarize thing ?
stop acting just say the usual cover black corpo

>>107260851
That is the hololive paradox. Suisei's success messed up Yagoo's mind. Most of the first army (minus Sui) is popular thanks to their streaming yet they keep leaning into lives and idol shit harder and harder.

>>107260959
Out of curiosity, does she own her own music? Or is that entirely within Cover's possession, ie. future royalties?

>>107260974
back to >>107260772

>>107260959
No, my point was that the solo live was the only project that could've been considered extremely important and time sensitive. If you had brought up MVs, orisongs and all that, I'd have pointed it out that all of those are optional (more optional than the almost once-a-lifetime solo live) and could've been rescheduled. She took on those because she wanted to, not because she was forced to.

>>107258518
Yesterday the complaint was they have too many managers, now it's that they don't hire enough.

>>107260693
>people crying about how Kanata said that Cover is perfect
where ?
all I see is anti purposely twisting kanata statement and people stupidly explain not knowing they do that on purpose

>>107261029
Kanata wanted to be an idol, not a streamer. You need to preplan which script you use depending on who is graduating or you come off like a clown.

>>107260754
>What's this? An ex-holo is making my arguments defending Cover look bad, time for me to attack her and paint her as a bad egg that we are better without!

>>107261037
Don't know, can only guess. Because even if a channel is wiped their songs stay up on Spotify. Another question if that changes based on whether they graduate or are terminated. But Mel chose to be terminated when she had a fresh song out and a good album too, so who knows.

>>107261056
Back to >>107260883
Fun, now we are going in circle
>>107261037
Depends on contracts, but usually Cover owns those. There are also cases where it's co-owned by multiple parties instead of just Cover (i.e: Gura's song) but those are generally rare

>>107261131
I defended Mumei against scum like you many times and would happily do it again.

>>107260754
>repeatedly shitting on the HoloEN fanbase is not a health thing.
What kind of schizo is this?

>>107261201 (Me)
I meant the
>repeatedly shitting on the HoloEN fanbase
part, btw, not the "is not a health thing"

>>107261072
Try reading what I wrote to the end and understand there's a reason they always happen in that order. Look at Towa, Suisei, anyone. Those projects roll into each other, so there's little point in doing them in the wrong order, and skipping doing them at all is just admitting defeat and giving up on making your once-in-a-lifetime live the best it can be (or even just up to standard with the other talents).

do you guys remember when coco graduated she had collabs with everyone and fellated the company and hung out with yagoo and then years later talked about how getting suspended fucked her all up and she was on meds for years? well it turns out that she was a liar and so is every other hololive graduate. the company is perfect and their decision to put idol content on the backburner while hiring 400 dudes to make a video game is a great idea. all these whores are ungrateful.

>>107261125
And look how that worked out for her. Not sure what script you are talking about. That was just a general observation. Do you think it is not correct?

>>107261294
>put idol content on the backburner
The fuck are you smoking? They are shitting out live concerts every month.

>>107261348
tell that to kiara

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tfw better singer than almost all of them, and also the only one at the company that could properly use melodyne to create the illusion that all of them can 'sing' at all

bless the PPT, and happy trails o7

>>107261367
kiara also has hers lined up

>>107261304
It's blatantly lies. The first army consists of people who had their last lives years ago or even members who have never had one. Cover has been going through a backlog of letting everyone get their sololive, so no member is allowed to make being an idol their focus because they all have to wait their turn and possibly never get a second go at it. Most big complainers in Hololive are complaining about how they can't focus as much on idol shit as they want, it was because of those complainers that Hololive is trying to get everyone lives that wants them. Members who don't want them don't do them.

>>107261465
after she threatened to graduate

>>107261465
Gosh, does she know that? Because she seems very sure it's not ever happening and is not happy about it.

>>107261294
I don't think picking the biggest liar in vtubing as your template is a good look. Nobody's ever sucked their CEO's cock harder and longer than her.

>>107261496
someone needs a news update

>>107261496
What cave have you been living in?

>>107261513
very silly post unless you're talking about yagoo

>>107258781
>She further clarifies that the workload only got so bad because she chose to maintain her own projects instead of setting them to the wayside to focus on the tasks delegated by cover.
Blame them going public. It's ((shareholders)) fault.
It's why everyone else graduated, the way the company is going.
Yagoo sold it out.

>>107261180
>defending Mumei
>>107260754
>she's repeatedly shitting on the HoloEN fanbase
If you call that defending, feel free to always be on the opposing side as I'd never want you watching my back in the line of fire

>>107261479
>The first army consists of people who had their last lives years ago
Are you sure?
Suisei - this year
Miko - last year
Peko - last year
Marine - last year
Fubs - this year
Shuba - yep, that's a weird one

>>107261524
>>107261537
Well? Share with the class.

>>107261579
not spoonfeeding you, stop being a catalognigger and go actually check

>>107261579
You can go to her channel yourself. Or her twitter even. You know how to spell Kiara right?

>>107261569
Dude's a retard. There's been a hard pivot into that and some really intense amount of advertising, both on stream and off

>>107261267
I don't disagree with you on that, but my point was that even with that said, those are still optional. The moment her solo live was decided, she could've rescheduled all those projects and her solo live would've happened still. Kanata pushed for it because she wanted to and Cover respected her decision, not because Cover forced her to so there is little reason to blame Cover for it unless you think they should've forcibly cancelled her projects. Kanata herself didn't, mind you, as she said in OP's picrel.

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>>107261569
Right? HoloX has announced theirs, which probably scratches off Koyori too. Korone is probably happy joining in Gamers Fes and slowly building her orisong collection. But how have we not had Subaru yet?

>>107261569
Pekora was two years ago. Also, the live itself is the endpoint of a year of work and it's the very end of 2025 right now. It's been well over a year since most of them finished their live process, let alone started it.

>>107261691
Perhaps she doesn't want to?

>>107261664
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think each Hololive member is the same person putting on a different voice? How does Azki having a live mean Pekora now had two. The retard is trying to pretend that people having a single live and then the line moving on to the next person means each member is constantly doing lives. It's the exact opposite.

>>107261775
>The retard is trying to pretend that people having a single live and then the line moving on to the next person means each member is constantly doing lives.
That's your personal retarded interpretation. My point was company as a whole is heavily leaning into it.

Holy shit. I just realized HoloID's live came and went without anybody noticing. Then what the fuck was Kaela going on about during Flow Glow's debut claiming she is the only member without 3D?

>>107261667
Because:
1. It all should have been possible without crunch, but they're numbskulls.
2. She states her second point was directly fed into by her 1st point. The tight timelines were especially harsh because she was simultaneously working on all that extra shit she shouldn't have had to do.
So the first point is kinda the more important one, not the second one. And her third point is just concluding that the combination of them sucked and wasn't sustainable. So she's graduating because she has no confidence that things will improve in any helpful timeframe.
Again, this is all before her hearing got worse.

>>107261849
3D of her streaming model. because she changed it.

>>107261843
But that's a lie and there's no way you are dumb enough to believe that. Letting Kiara have her live is not the entire company shifting its focus from their first army to make Kiara the new focus of the company. Their biggest monkeymaking talents are still the same even as they give pity lives to their B-tiers and C-tiers.

>>107261849
>without anybody noticing
based solipsist
>the only member without 3D
I think she doesn't have a 3D for her revamped base outfit, only the idol one