>>107438876
She believed in vshojos lies.
I believe the hololive leaker kanata is paranoid about is a vshojo plant and leaked gura and faunas graduations to grimmie but phrased it in a "OH NONONO HOLOBROS" way and scared her off.

Its already established vshojo literally paid people to shitpost on /vt/ and slander hololive with the whole talent freedom thing. Meanwhile talking shit about their own talents who quit and bleeding money faster than a coomer browsong onlyfans.

>>107439628
I just can't see that random sex pest magically having access to hololive intel, if he had that much power he could have done far more damage I imagine.
Either he just vagueposted and happened to be right because "Gura will graduate" isn't exactly a nostradamus-like prediction to make, or Grimmi is lying which wouldn't surprise me because why would I trust someone who goes "i don't like idolshit anyway so I'm glad hololive didn't take me teehee" unironically.
Also Justice was clearly themed for 4 people since they represent the 4 major chess pieces.

>>107438876
>how did we lose it
>Vtuber in question is Little Lore Drop + Fallenshadow levels of mental illness

You didn't lose shit, you were spared

>>107440036 (me)

Also, regardless of that her model is beautiful and had she joined hololive we wouldn't have more of it. I still remember when she popped on my recommended on YT and clicked because of how pretty her model was. It was way before she took of and she talking about all her issues and had me thinking "poor gal, no one is gonna be psychotic enough to date that" but lo and behold I was wrong so good for her... (I guess)

>cant sing
>cant dance
>not very charismatic
>a timebomb ready to explode
where is the upside?
sounds like vshojo did them a favor

qrd

>>107438876
Lose?

If anything I'm glad we didn't get her.
1. She already lore dropped, no thanks.
2. She doesn't even have an interest in idol activities, so why do we need her in holo?

>a Grimmi anti thread
huh?

>>107440036
What, is grimmi married?

>She gave up on the Hololive audition before even being accepted.
>she was the 5th member
sure...

>>107440943
Unknown but https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/1759055815624036753

>>107441100
She's talked about having had a boyfriend in the past, who cheated on her. She's claimed she's not seeing anyone now, but you know women lie.

Lose some schizo react/political vtuber? More like dodged a fucking bullet

>>107438876
>h-h-h-hololost haha they completely missed out on getting this INCREDIBLE dramafag vtuber
Nope, keep seething, Mowtendoo

>>107438876
Don't worry, you got ERB instead!

>>107440330
Grimmi said she was going to be in Justice but dropped out at the last minute because the 2nd in command of Vshojo was spreading a lot of Holo anti rumors at the time.

>>107438876
she grfecated directly on the table when meeting management

>>107439628
>She believed in vshojos lies.
Two different things can be true at the same time. VShojo was spreading lies about their competition but Hololive was also suffering from years of malicious compliance with EN talents that were fighting with management. Gura HATED management and Yagoo by the time she graduated so they did something wrong. In my view Gura was never the same after Sana's graduation and it only got worse after she had to shill that pedobait daki. Don't forget that the last HoloEN holiday collab that Gura joined was in 2021. The reason fans are often nostalgic for 2021 is because that was the last year that several of the talents liked Hololive. Their hearts left the company years before their official graduations. Ash Again implies that Gura only stayed in Hololive as long as she did because of Myth.

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You mean dodged a bullet?

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I wish we would have had that autist in Justice. Would have been fun.

>>107438876
Dodged a bullet lmao

>>107440036
As if the Holofags wouldn't gaslight themselves into loving her like they do for the rest of these menhera bitches.

>>107438876
Hololive lost a lot more than just Grimmi.

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Big win for Phase Connect

Nah

Couldn't even be trusted to not break her NDA before even debuting. Who knows what else she would have eventually leaked to the Vshojo dude? Hololive dodged a bullet

>>107442543
Yeah, Grimmi did. She saved herself from the company putting her in debt, not paying her then not letting her quit either

>>107443213
>Nooo, don't consult other people to see if a contract is actually good or not
Do Holodrones really?

>>107442484
he said unironically during the year of eight separate holo graduations

>>107443341
Make it nine. Haachama is basically gone

>>107442425
Yes, Grimmi dodged all those bullets

>>107443226
Instead she was put into debt from Seth buying a hot sauce company in her name, still works with him btw

>>107444325
The hot sauce thing really is funny, that woman is retarded

>>107438876
>vagueposting to max so no-one can call you out for lying
>left the same day as eliras black screen stream
lol this is retarded levels of dude trust me bro

>>107442347
>it only got worse after she had to shill that pedobait daki
You really believe Gura isn't a lolicon? I have news for you buddy...

>>107443406
koron...

missed the HOLOcaust

holo dodged bullet by her shooting herself in leg

all the sour grapes... Funny how retards like these were dunking on raora pl and now they call her mama. Figures

>>107438876
she should go back to making porn audio

>>107442141
Well.. he was a lying scumbag but was he really wrong about Hololive?

>>107443226
That's what I meant

>>107445808
Dont reply to that known faggot. They start these threads in order to parrot the same shit over and over despite getting BTFO with proof multiple times. gnore

>>107442347
Outfitschizo

>>107442699
i doubt she'd go there either

>>107442141
graduating but suddenly return after elira black stream
yeah she's joining hololive and cancel it

>>107438876
Nothing of value was lost.

>>107444325
That makes her a company owner while all other Holo are in debt

>>107442347
Gura/Saba is fucking stupid. She hates doing what she loves (yes, that's right, that's the best way to say it). I almost pity COVER when it came to her situation and only her situation since she seems like the type of person who one day is cooperative like no one else and next day she's threatening to quit over the previous day's activity and next day she's forgotten about it. Dumb indecisive bitch.

>>107438876
Brain hort

>>107442484
I don't think she will kill herself, but her "funny brain growth" might take her out suddenly one day. Literal "lights out", that's how the very few lifelong crippled survivors of such sudden shutdown have described it.

>>107440255
and apparently also incapable of following NDA

>>107446233
Ok, make it ten

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Unless she comes out and says I am wrong, this is what I believe

>november 2023
>she applies to nijisanij voice acting vtuber project
>since the material was already prepared, she also sends it to hololive
>or viceversa, it doesn't really matter
>gets in hololive
>talks with some people about corpo life, including mow
>mow convinces her to not go to holo, spreading rumors about 2 people she likes
>she gives up on holo
>niji accepts her, everything confirmed by february
>states that she wants to graduate
>selen + blackstream
>she ungraduates

btw, it's funny she also was supposed to be part of advent. People really want grimmi into holo.

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>>107438876

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>>107442699
No thanks, I think holochads should get her instead. She should reapply.

>>107463481
>People really want grimmi into holo
not me btw

>>107463099
Seems pretty fair. Insider information and rumours are sketchy, but well, guess it worked out.

dumb bitch

>>107463099
She literally said multiple times she never wanted to join Niji.

>>107438876
>mentally ill leftist whore
yeah those don't pass the vibe check

>>107438876
she doesn't belong in Holo

>>107466413
I guess that doesn't describe Grimmi then since she passed the vibe check.

>>107446799
I will call a woman ten years younger than me Mommy and you cannot stop me.

>>107466310
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/90847107/#90847107

Too much stuff adds up to her covering up her links with nijisanji.

>Holodrones try spreading that she was going to join Nijisanji then quit because of Selen
>Grimmi says she never applied to Nijisanji
>Shondo drops hints that it was Hololive
>Holodrones call everyone pointing it out retards
>It gets outright confirmed that it was Hololive
>Holodrones insist she's lying and covering up for Nijisanji for no fucking reason

Holodrones are such pathetic creatures

>>107466744
No it doesn't. All of that is a holodrone coping that somebody would reject the golden ticket, it's especially retarded when Hololive hired Raora who also likes some Nijis.

Everyone who wasn't holocoping knew it was hololive, especially after shondo's tweet. The surprising thing is that she changed her mind due to MTD leaking, rather than witnessing the Selen situation which is what most people assumed scared her away from corpos. She said she's worried that MTD was lying, but actually this is probably one of the rare times that MTD was being real and looking out for her. Around the time that Grimmi graduated, vshojo was planning a major expansion and poached a bunch of hololive managers. One of them is the schizo doxxer that Kaho was seething at. Through them, MTD actually had inside knowledge of the turmoil within the company like the upcoming graduations. With Grimmi saying 2 of the chuubas she respected the most are imminently graduating, it's not surprising why she would change her mind.

>>107466537
Old Grimmi probably did yeah, she used to be awesome. Nu-Grimmi would absolutely never though

>>107466808
>It gets outright confirmed that it was Hololive
Unfortunately she lied and has provided no source to anything.
She should have prepared a script if she was going to do this.
She said she was the 5th member, and yet also said she never even did her audition.
Stop getting clickbaited.

>>107467527
If you want to pretend to be retarded do it in /#/.

>>107467544
>DOINK uh no its true because uhhhhhh *pulls up the meme thread*
Debunk my post then, post proof of any kind or anything that contradicts what I said.
Oh right, when you actually watch when she spoke on this you'll see that she contradicted herself

>>107467583
Everything lines up. We know when vshojo poached managers. We know when all the graduated holos graduated. We know that holo gens have 5 members. No need to cope for the dying company.

>>107467613
So she was handed the position without an audition.
The Vtuber known for outlandish stories that get more and more crazy and unbelievable as the years go by.
I'd sooner trust one of Shondos "and then I told them how it is going to be and people clapped" stories.

>>107467646
What is the source of this audition thing you keep bringing up? Sounds like a game of ESL telephone. Many hololive talents did not audition to the company btw. Early gens were mostly scouted.

Is Grimmi an honorary Holo now?

>>107466808
she announced her graduation in feb 5 2024
https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/1754346610023452931
and then undergraduate after black stream happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4
https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/1757238172063559948
that what make "she joining nijisanji" rrrat spread
not holofags spreading shit

>>107470871
She already said she wasn't going to join Niji in her un-graduation stream and yet Holodrones still used that niji rrat again and again, it's even funnier that some still do it even now.

>>107467488
Yeah it's pretty fair honestly. I don't think you can even fault those managers for that if those rumours turned out to be credible. Stealing charity money and fucking over their own talent, that's an entirely different story

>>107466808
>It gets outright confirmed that it was Hololive
hur dur yeah I got accepted in BIG COMPANY
I can't namedrop THE COMPANY
LARGEST COMPANY that is not nijisanji
but I backed out when I told by VSHOUJO 2nd dude about bad thing in THAT BIG COMPANY
VSHOUJO now dead and known to lie about THAT BIG COMPANY
but back then I believe them even though I like THAT BIG COMPANY

you believing these SHIT ??? just only to anti holo ? not knowing the same VSHOUJO dead after shit talking holo ?

>>107472960
Not him but I do, with the caveat that by "accepted" she meant the early rounds. She was never in the final group, justice was never 5 people.

If she was, she would have graduated on the 10th of march, like the other 4 girls, instead of the 3rd.

>>107466808
>Grimmi announces her graduation on February 4th saying the graduation will be on March 3rd.
>February 12th Grimmi ungradautes and says the 3rd will be a redebut instead
>Immerblue announces her graduation on Feburary 24th with a date of March 10th
>Hamster announces her vtubing hiatus on March 1st, the Horse also announces her graduation on March 1st again with a date of March 10th for the graduation
>Yuniho announces her graduation on February 12th and graduates on March 10th
>Elie Monty is harder to place but by March 14th she had scrubbed everything from the internet
My question is why was she going to graduate a full week early of everybody else, the other girls all had different announcement dates but they synced their graduations up. Now we also know that
>Selen is terminated on Feburary 5th 2024
>The black screen stream comes out on Feburary 12th 2025 at 8 PM EST, Grimmi ungraduates at 10pm
>Grimmi gets scammed over the summer of 2024 with a hot sauce scam, loses all the goodwill she got from ungraduationg and becomes a laughing stock
> Fauna announces her graduation on December 1st 2024
> Grimmi starts vague tweeting about "knowing all along" something was wrong

>>107472960
Learn English.

>>107472960
Calm down and read an english textbook.
>>107473120
>She graduated before being accepted
At least come up with cope that makes logical sense.

>>107474732
>>She graduated before being accepted
What?

>>107474825
You implied that she announced her graduation before actually being chosen to join Hololive. Or did you mean something else?

>>107438876
Literally fucking WHO?

It was NIji and always Niji.
Grimmi is not holomaterial

>>107474859
grimmi, a vtuber who was going to debut in hololive then changed her mind at the last moment when she learned of some impending graduations

>>107474950
*debut in Nijisanji until Selen got fired and I graduated the night of the black screen

>>107474885
as opposed to fucking ERB or sana?

>>107474856
I mean something else. My theory is >>107463099
ie that her application to hololive and her graduation-ungraduation are two separate events.

>>107475008
you don't have to pretend that people who hate your corpo slop like the other slop here, retard

>>107475076
The issue with "having a theory" at this point is that she spelled out exactly what happened and to suggest that something else actually happened requires inventing your own fanfiction with no evidence. She all but spelled it out directly in that clip. She wanted to join because people she looked up to were there, and she was informed shit was bad and they were about the graduate.

>>107474950
Sounds sketchy but I wouldn't care either way

>>107438876
holobros we lose so hard...

>>107438876
Literally -1 homocollaber, we didn't lose anything

>cant sing
>cant dance
>already a LLD
>very dull personality
>causes trouble in boring ways
>makes collaber
sounds like Holo and NIJI both owe vshojo a beer

>>107475181
Nothing of what she says contradicts my theory. In fact, I developed it precisely to address the issues and contradictions emerging if we assume it was always and only about hololive.

Again, I am fully saying that she got in at some level with cover before quitting. I have no idea how far.
I am fully confident though that her ungraduation was not related to cover and the rumours she heard.

>>107475431
My friend she planned her graduation the same week as every other Justice member. The first gen ever with 4 members. Let's live in reality.

>>107475491
>My friend she planned her graduation the same week as every other Justice member.
No, she was supposed to graduate on the 3rd of march instead of the 10th like the other four.
But this isn't really relevant.

>The first gen ever with 4 members.
No, that was advent. Fuwamoco and Mococo are by all intents and purposes considered one talent by cover. They always had one channel. Their single channels were created a good month after the fuwamoco one, probably to prevent someone from stealing it.
https://www.youtube.com/@mococoabyssgard
>created the 12th of may from japan

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>>107475651
Come on

>>107475965
Now add IRyS.
JP 1st gen was 6 people (even if it's not really a gen), gamers was 4.

>>107475965
retard

>>107476044
Irys was a solo debut as part of Hololive's vsinger project.

I would believe it if Gura and Fauna didn't leave almost 1 year after she graduated.

vs. her graduating to going corpo, then backs out and ungraduates the day Selen gets fire/black screen

I think her tweet when Fauna graduated was more so in reference to "copro bad" stigma that was heavy at the time but has since cooled as we have since seen liggers going corpo

>>107476119
Fauna knew she was going to graduate for a year, so it's wholly possible that she made her mind up in december 2023, talked with vshojo guy, who talked with grimmi.
We knew he did his best to sabotage hololive.

>>107476175
Fauna never "talked to a vshojo guy". Vshojo poached Hololive managers.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2637506449?t=05h33m14s

The one thing that raises my eyebrow is a 5:38:44 when she says that she can't say if she was going to keep being Grimmi.
Of course she wasn't going to, only Suisei did, so why not just say it?

>>107476239
>Fauna never "talked to a vshojo guy".
lol
Vshojo went around trying to poach holostar, as confirmed by Caspurr. Do you think they didn't try with hololive proper? and you know who Caspurr worked with.

>>107438876
Missing too much brain matter, tried to sell hot sauce at the interview

>>107476376
I am not speculating anon. I am telling you a fact. Vshojo poached a bunch of Hololive managers. That is how they acquired that knowledge.

>>107476404
What knowledge? the rumours were fake, according to grimmi, or at least she can't confirm they were real.

>>107476443
The knowledge that Vshojo poached Hololive managers. This is a real and factual event that actually happened in real life. People who were working at Hololive managing the talents got offered a bunch of money to quit and join Vshojo and several of them did. Vshojo's owners then bragged about it to a bunch of random people who corroborated the story around when Vshojo exploded. And then Holofags doxxed a couple of them and confirmed it through linkedin. I have no idea what rumors you are talking about.

>>107476527
I am talking about the rumours that persuded grimmi to reject cover?
You know, the whole basis of this thread?

>>107476175
no buys.
it is okams razor. when you hear hoof prints think horses not zebras.

the hololive rrat needs some suspension of disbelief, whereas the niji timeline matches up perfect. she graduated and un graduated in the span of days while selen got fired.

hololive had no graduations happen at that point, and the gates didn't start opening for a while. again, i believe the tweet she made after fauna graduating was more so a general "i almost went corpo and see look at how bad it is" because that was sentiment at the time among liggers who were anti corpo.

grimmi is like a shondo who puts things out there so she acts like the smartst person int he room, but is often looked at as the dumbest. so i hope for grimmi's sake it was actually nijisanji because that is a winning move she made. if it was hololive for real, then she is one of the most retarded vtubers on the planet and deserves to be laughed at. even if you do hololive for 1 year, she would have come out of it as one of the biggest liggers in the world and it would have changed her life so much for the better

so wich way: is she either very prescient in avoiding nijisanji, or a lolcow who threw away a winning lottery ticket because "i just had bad vibes bro"

>>107476175
>Fauna knew she was going to graduate for a year
Source?

https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/94167697/#94171228

More evidence her february graduation was about niji

>>107476582
Herself
https://youtu.be/My0Zm883qkY?t=1103

>>107476669
"Long time" is pretty fucking vague dude

>>107476585
>i've said a billion times it's not niji

>is allegedly gonna be in Hololive
>Vshojo gets word of it
>"heh don't join them. it is a black company"
>"No, we aren't gonna make a spot for you in our company because we don't like you like that and you are good enough for out group, but just don't go to hololive. trust us bro:
>ok that sounds like a great ides this company over here is offering me a high paying job, but then this other company is saying it is fools gold but not offering me a job to work for them
sure, Grimmi

>>107476566
It's not necessarily exclusive. Seeing two of the biggest corpos in the world dealing with talent issues would make a pretty strong case that it's an industry issue, not an aberration.

>>107476760
keep in mind that she was just in seth's company. then she got word that the new company she was joining was bad too.

>>107476566
>is she either very prescient in avoiding nijisanji, or a lolcow who threw away a winning lottery ticket because "i just had bad vibes bro"
Both.

I will die on the hill that she got into holo, got persuaded to not go through, applied to niji, the selen shitshow happened.


>>107476757
Yes, but listen how she starts saying yea... before correcting herself to long time.
She knew she was going to quit by late 2023 early 2024. Probably signed a one year contract with cover while waiting for vshojo.

>>107476804
>i never wanted to join nijisanji

>>107476566
grimmi is totally a shondo. mega coping for life about corpos but has to watch as all of their friends ditch them to go corpo and live their dreams while they are stuck doing the same thing they always did

>>107476566
It really is as simple as in one scenario Grimmi looks like a prophet, and the other scenario she looks like an all-time bonehead

>>107438876
hey i totally didnt join hololive because people lied to me and im a victim too, please watch my streams

>>107476913
In which scenario does she look like a prophet? she ungraduated after the black stream when we all knew how much a shithole that company was.

>>107476841
How many indies are ex-corpo. And Justice doesn't have a chance of having the same impact of Myth, it's just the reality of of 2024-2025.

>>107438876
hot sauce on this cutie

>She got a huge shock from the black stream and went 180 on corpos, told her viewers in discord that she will always stick to being grimmi. Applied to vshojo after, said that it's the only good corpo and haven't had an update since.
>applied to vshojo after

Man you find some posts on the archive. Stuff you see under a different light.

>>107476950
Maybe not prophet, but it takes balls to see what was happening and back out after already announcing your graduation just days before. A lot of vtubers would have felt like "well shit. First Pomu left and now they fired Selen when I originally signed they were both here. I already did this so now I have pressure to follow thru with it I guess"

>>107476557
Oh I see. All we know is she was told something negative about the company's future prospects. And knowing the Vshojo execs, it was probably exaggerated to some degree. But they did have some inside knowledge that there was some amount of turmoil behind the scenes in Hololive. I don't think this should be surprising to anyone, given that around the same period, Hololive fans were spending their time speculating about a secret war between different factions of Hololive EN members. And a year later a bunch of graduations began pouring out. It is clear that something was up.

>>107476952
>doesn't have a chance of having the same impact of Myth
This applies to like 90% of vtubers in general both Western and Eastern so idk why you're singling out Justice

>>107477044
That's the gen she would have theoretically applied for correct?

>>107477078
yes, justice is hololive's only 4 person gen since 2018

>>107477078
Yes?
She would still be getting paid big money, be a big industry name, and would be doing concerts all over the world. and the best part is that when she would have left, she has a guaranteed money line for life as an indie vtuber

>>107438876
>unashamed serial male collaber
and stay go

>>107477136
>big money
she would have had a lot less viewers than kanata, who is graduating with zero savings according to herself.

>>107477078
Theoretically yes, but that's still really stupid logic
It' like saying you wouldn't join the NBA because you won't have as much impact as Michael Jordan did

>>107477136
>She would still be getting paid big money
Holomems just sink it back into production cost, on top of that they don't own their character. It's anything but a sure shot. How many EN left in the past 2 years?

this just screams as her trying to get on the "i was raped by vshojo too" train 4 months too late

>>107477193
It's more like the NFL and CTE. What's Hololive's exit plan look like?

Some girls spend back into the channel, some spend money on themselves (IRyS), some save it. It all personal choice.

>>107477245
>It's more like the NFL and CTE.
Not really because would imply being in Holo causes a degenerative illness like CTE

>>107477358
Well, look at the idol industry then.

>>107476841
shondo having to eat shit as tanya defied her and joined phase where she is now thriving and having the time of her life will never not be funny

>>88890372
This posts says that another vtuber said that she and grimmi were supposed to go the same place. Who the fuck is she?
the context is a vtuber who ungraduated after the black stream.

>>107477380
>Well, look at the idol industry then.
Holo is not nearly as physically or predatory as the actual idol industry desu

>>107477454
that anon literally says he's guessing

>>107477659
>>88889078
This does not sound like a guess

>>107477659
btw, he's not guessing about a second girl, he just doesn't what the fuck her name is so I can confirm that she said she and grimmi were going to the same place.

>>107477601
They're all under strict NDA, you have absolutely no idea.

grimmi and twisty were gonna be genmates

>>107477706
>>107477775
most likely that's one of the undebuted niji talents who pulled out, and she is speculating about grimmi joining niji for the same reason as all the anons in this thread.

>>107477829
Would've been crazy hot

>>107477836
Yeah but WHO
I want to dig up and reach some confirmation.

Also damn this >>68218257 webm I can't list to it, it looks related

>>107477778
>you have absolutely no idea.
Of course I do, look at physically grueling of a job being an idol is when having to spend hours practicing routines for live show, mentally drained because your expect to maintain a certain look and look "pretty" and how they get screw because a label own all the music they made
In comparison the average Holo does maybe 5 shows a year? they're typically pre-recorded, their physical appearance does not matter, and they make 1-2 originals across their career

>>107477954
Nevermind, I got it to work and it's just her saying her oshi is a guy in niji, someone called leo, something we already knew.

>>107478009
Idols don't stream 3-5 days a week in addition to all the work that is required

>>107478045
They also presumably aren't paying their own production costs

>>107477829
honestly, this nudges me even more to believe that it was nijisanji.

Grimmi's pretty funny, good thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SkwpJbZwkU

>68220831
Another interesting post, noticing how Grimmi couldn't use her Grimmi model. We know that cover allows the girls to have sidegigs, while we know Nijisanji was against it.

>>107478239
it's almost as if "it's not nijisanji, it's the biggest vtuber company" means not nijisanji but rather the biggest vtuber company

>>107478045
>Idols don't stream 3-5 days a week
Neither do most Holos lol

>>107478305
so it is almost as if grimmi is inarguably the biggest retard in vtubing that she threw away a golden ticket because someone in vshojo told her to

>>107478305
>>107478335
I am not denying that she threw away the golden ticket yada yada.
What I am trying to figure out, once again, is if the 5/2-13/2 graduation and ungraduation were related to hololive or nijisanji. The point is, if it was nijisanji, then her giving up on hololive was a separate event (as I believe).

>>107478335
Yes. Probably takes the crown away from Amaris Yuri.

>>107440036
QRD on the mental illness part?
I don't watch her but I'm curious

>>107478397
no probably about it. yuri passed on an opportunity at success. grimmi threw away a guarantee.

>>107478335
grimmi is schizo but staying indie was not a dumb choice. if she has any merch drops then she should be making very good money right now.
>>107478395
it was hololive. she was never going to join niji. she was bigger than most of niji en at the time.

>>107478458
>but staying indie was not a dumb choice
you are coping in a massive way.
being in hololive for even 6 months would have changed her life forever. they have girls go indie and do silent art streams to an arenas worth of viewers

she is white noise. a nobody in a sea on twitch indies even as a borderline 4view. she isn't even 1/3 of the size of olivia monroe or clio and nobody knows who they hell they are in the big picture.

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>>107478458
>she was bigger than most of niji en at the time.
She was a mid 3 views, the graduation drama gave her a boost that pushed her into 4 digits. If we add that nijisanji project about acting (which, afaik, never happened), it makes sense.

But also, if it was Holo why would she say she was not allowed to stream as grimmi?

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Ok ok ok, apparently the mysterious girl mentioned before was Yuniiho

Now I will need to dig to 1. confirm this 2. confirm she said that she and grimmi were going to the same place.
This could important.

>>107441224
Probably naive on my part but I'm more willing to believe a girl that says they had a bf they broke up with and that they're not with anyone now than a girl who pretends to be a femcel who's never been in a relationship. Yes I know it's just as easy to be a lie and yes acknowledging a past relationship can be a strategy to make your manipulation more believable but I'm just more likely to believe someone like that anyway.

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>>107478574
she currently has more viewers than kson who amassed at least $200k through a year of merch and sponsors. indie streamers can make a lot of money when most of it isn't going to a giant corporation with 500 employees.
>>107478576
she was consistently growing for a long time. very few streamers have consistent growth like this. you're lost in the sauce if you don't think this is preferable to niji, which had been consistently trending down around the same period.
>if it was Holo why would she say she was not allowed to stream as grimmi?
ask soya

>>107478761
The worst are the ones who claim to be femcels but still give out actually effective relationship advice, like that one wonton girl who works for Phase.

>she isn't even 1/3 of the size of olivia monroe or clio
This is a bait. Anyway, backing out of holo catapulted her to 4view status. She can do whatever she wants without renting a persona from the corpo

>I was supposed to go corpo
>I graduated and ungraduted grifting the NIJISANJI drama
>maybe I was NIJISANJI
>actually no it was hololive
>yeah it was hololive
>and Vshojo told me I shouldn't join and I listened
>please believe me I was a Vshojo victim too
vtuber simps will believe anything and ignore the obvious thing

>>107478883
>ask soya
What did she say? because we know for a fact that cover allows their talent to keep their side gig. T

>>107478946
>she isn't even 1/3 of the size of olivia monroe or clio
It's not bait. Grimmi also isn't that well known in the scene. 2.5/10 english vtuber fans know who she is. She has no mindshare.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/the_echo/name-that-vtuber/results

>>107479014
>we know for a fact that cover allows their talent to keep their side gig
correction: we know for a fact that cover *used to allow* their talent to keep a side gig. recent debuts haven't been doing that.

>>107479066
If they don't allow newer members to still use their PLs as part of their contract, wouldn't they also change the contracts for their older members when they have to renew them?

>>107479066
Advent does, or did.
Raora is still active as artist.
The homos are active as well.

>>107479122
>wouldn't they also change the contracts for their older members when they have to renew them?
not necessarily no.
they would likely be grandfathered in. talents would not accept that kind of term change unless it was made up to them in other ways.

>>107479122
because they would quit. senior talents get better deals. in japan especially that's normal.
>>107479124
>raora
doesn't stream
>homos
different management

define side gigs.
I don't think there has ever been any problem with them taking side work in form of art, rigging, or even what kiara or mori does.

However, I don't really see them being vtubers on the side, which is probably where they draw the line?

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>>107479187
>>raora
>doesn't stream
>>homos
>different management

You know, her talking the way she is talking means she can't be trusted to not break an nda. I guess no company will work with her ever again after this. Not only that but she was leaking to a competitors management the status of insider workings of hololive, meaning if they wanted to they could probably sue her.

>>107479237
we're talking about hololive talent's ability to stream on alts. your hololive example doesn't stream and your other example isn't hololive.

I don't think any vtuber company worth a shit lets their talents be a regular vtuber concurrently on a alt

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>>107478395
>What I am trying to figure out, once again, is if the 5/2-13/2 graduation and ungraduation were related to hololive or nijisanji. The point is, if it was nijisanji, then her giving up on hololive was a separate event (as I believe).
Personally, I just think she's lying about everything. All the details are vague as shit, nothing really lines-up, every event you can use to cross-reference her story feel like pure coincidence
If you ask me, what happened was;
>She quit vtubing to pursue something else >That flopped
>She had to go back to ole' reliable but realized coming back with her tail between her legs is a bad look, she cooked up a story about being accepted into "BIG VTUBER COMPANY" but choosing to pull out last minute
>NijiEN's black screen stream and HoloEN's newest gen being a 4-man unit gave plausible believability that she could be referencing either company
And become this board/hobby is filled with drama obsessed gossiping faggots they took everything she said at face value because it sounded like a juicy story

>>107479231
Mel and azki was/is active as vtuber on her secondary channel.

i think the salient point is that holo is not a golden ticket anymore. case closed

>>107479388
>is
how recently "is" are we talking here?

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>>107479433
Recent.

>>107479374
>nothing really lines-up
graduation date
4 member gen

>>107479516
Justice was always 4 members because Advent is for all intents and purposes 4 members (Fuwamoco are 1 channel and a package deal always have been)

The entire lore of Advent is they were criminals on the run, and Justice debuted to bring Justice to them. 1 Justice member for 1 Advent member.

I can't find out any evidence about Yuniiho saying that her and Grimmi were going to the same place.
I think it was a fool's errand.

>>107479573
>schrodinger's member
*snickers*

>>107479573
advent has 5 members. the dogs are 2 different people. that's why they are the dogs and not the dog.

>>107479274
>we're talking about hololive talent's ability to stream on alts
No, you said "sidegig" which is a useful distinction considering a lot Holo weren't primarily streamers
>your other example isn't hololive.
This just pure cope to think whatever judicial body in Cover that's in-charge of coming up with the terms and conditions of their contracts would:
1. Care about the arbitrary distinctions between branches that are all ultimately fall under the Cover Corp umbrella
2. Would randomly give male streams a free-pass for zero reason

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>>107438876
Those damn Hololive fans are so brainwashed, thinkin' that joining Hololive means striking gold. Well, if this company was so great, then why the hell are there so many graduations this year alone? And let's be real, you can't blame it all on laziness. It's kinda sad to see how devoted these "hololive fans" are, turning a blind eye to any flaws and pretending like their perfect. But damn, reality is, all companies got their issues, Hololive ain't no exception to that rule.

Wait, now that I think about it

Why they fuck did Grimmi have a 3.0 ready to go if she was going to graduate? Was her plan to use it for a month?

>>107479709
>But also, if it was Holo why would she say she was not allowed to stream as grimmi?
this is what you said that i originally responded to. then you revised it from streaming to side gig, which i repeated for no particular reason. i was always talking about streaming. this discussion is about why grimmi would have to stop streaming.

>>107479625
>advent has 5 members. the dogs are 2 different people.
Fuwamoco are for all intents and purposes a singular entity.
They don't do anything without the other

>>107479865
anon that's kayfabe. they are 2 human women. five human women in total make up hololive advent.

>>107479788
>i was always talking about streaming. this discussion is about why grimmi would have to stop streaming.
She wouldn't? It just logically wouldn't make sense to do if she was in Holo because every theoretical roommate stream would pose the question "why am I not just doing this on my Holo account?"

>>107479993
that or the rules changed since 2020 and they can't do that anymore

>>107479788
I am the guy who started the whole streaming/side gig thing.

I mentioned side gig, and not streaming, because I was thinking about Cy Yu, whom was asked by Niji to give up his VA career if he was to work with them.

>>107480026
They still can, as AZKi proves

>>107479625
Can you link me to both of their official youtube, twitter and twitch channels by chance?
they are 2 separate acts afterall, so there should be 6 total that they stream from regularly etc

>>107480146
azki joined in 2018

>>107479573
>The entire lore of Advent is they were criminals on the run, and Justice debuted to bring Justice to them. 1 Justice member for 1 Advent member.
you know they could have made that up after grmmi left right

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>>107480183
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents?gp=advent
i count 5 niggas

>>107480229
so all the way back in 2023 they made Fuwamoco 1 act instead of 2 because they knew random twitch girl was gonna quit because Vhsojo told her to?

Cover I kneel what a crystal ball they have

>>107480201
So you think that AZKi is on a legacy contract?
And also that the boys have some special contract that allows them to vtube while the girls are not allowed to?

>>107480260
Cover themselves declared they consider them one channel. Let it go.

>>107480260
Oh, so you can't show their individual Youtube channels that they each stream from? Or their individual twitter accounts?
How about their debuts, on debut day they both had individual debuts right?

>>107480260
A man with a search engine is a dangerous online opponent. You win

>>107480292
No they could have made up the idea that Justice is Advent's "enemy" after Grimmi left you fucking idiot

>>107479925
>anon that's kayfabe. they are 2 human women.
No shit?
The point is that they're in practically treated as one being. They share a channel together, they stream together, they had their 3D debut together, at concerts they perform together, etc. That's way is makes total sense for a kayfabe "rival" gen to feature 4 members instead of 5
You're only refutation to this "akshully in reality they're two people!!" but you yourself already said "anon that's kayfabe." so you understand in kayfabe they're one entity, so what are you trying to argue here? (besides being intentionally obtuse)

>>107480316
>So you think that AZKi is on a legacy contract?
Suisei has her music registered under her real name i think. so there's definitely variance

>>107480383
While this is true, so much has been invested in justice vs advent that I struggle to believe it was something planned later.

>>107480456
>so much has been invested in justice vs advent
No it hasn't
There's nothing about their designs that are related to advent in any way

>>107480383
Advents lore is they are criminals on the run
Justice was always going to be 4 and was always gonna be called Justice because they were out for justice against the 4 acts of Advent.

but you think it is more likely that Justice was gonna be something else entirely, and instead of just recasting the 1 girl who left early on in the process with one of the other finalists who would have taken the spot in a heartbeat, they just said "fuck it. we are scrapping the original concept of the gen and are gonna go the Justice route of them hunting the Advent criminals."

How lucky that was that they can all along say they wanted 4 Justice members to match the 4 Advent acts. Weird almost like it was always by design given the well defined lore that was established, but I guess it wasn't?

>>107480026
IRyS still Patreon streamed on her rm now and then (used to be once a month but rarer nowadays, but she did one in July '25)

>>107480026
>and they can't do that anymore
Altare basically fucked off from the job and spent about a month or so streaming as his roommate
>"B-but he's in Holostars not Hololive!!!"
Ok well earlier this very year, Kronii streamed as her roommate for the sole purpose of doing a watchalong with Sana's roommate

>>107480332
BUMP

>>107480606
I knew this happened but I couldn't find it, I am glad I am not crazy.

>>107480574
>Justice was always going to be 4 and was always gonna be called Justice
how do you know?

has anyone in justice streamed on an alt? you guys are all bringing up members who joined 4+ years ago. they could have older contracts.

>>107480332
>>107480648
In case people are actually curious, they do have individual channels, made about a month after the fuwamoco one. Completely unused though.

>>107480674
because I have a brain

>>107480691
I am moreso curious about their debuts. They had individual debuts on their individual channels on debut day, yes?
Individual talents should have those, right?

>>107480713
so you dont know

>>107480674
The burden of proof is on you. You're the one saying it is not what we factually got.

>>107480760
Counterpoint: they had two solos during BD instead of one.
This is true for other concerts.

>>107438876
nah i don't believe it.

cover would have recast the character same day as she handed in a resignation letter.

this is not a phase anya situation where everybody knows who a girl is and we have seen her announced, but something happened right before debut and now they are kinda stuck and either hope it gets resolved or drop the charatcer.

>>107480531
>No it hasn't
Anon the group is quite literally called JUSTICE because they're themed around being magical cops
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GiWDqoR3s
They had an entire animated teaser trailer dedicated to this idea
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLEj-SCCn8
As well an entire song themed around the idea that Advent can't hide from them
To pretend that they didn't have this very clear direction for the gen planned ahead of time and that it's actually something they had to pivot to is just pure delusion

>>107480824
Oh, so you are saying they have never had individual debuts?
and they don't stream on individual channels?

>Advent is criminals
>There are 5 criminals
>Justice is good guys who are supposed to catch them and bring them to Justice
>There are 4 good guys
>This is because the bad guys only have 4 Youtube channels
???????????????

>>107480898
She was just rejected.

>>107480909
You know they could have done this after Grimmi left right?

>>107480909
hololive stumbled into logical lore and creative genius spanning multiple years and gens all because Grimmi, who they could have recast, was told by some guy in vshojo that blue dorito BAD.

>>107480998
you know they would have just recast her, right?

>>107481087
how do you know?

>yagoo: my billion dollar company needs some more marketable talents! let's debut 5 more, as we have done every time we have done this since 2018
>intern: chotto matte, yagoo-sama, the last group of 5 talents only uses 4 youtube channels, so we need to debut only 4 new dudes otherwise our fans will be confused why there are 5 good guys to catch the 5 bad guys
>yagoo: great idea, that will also bring in less money than 5 talents will which is our goal at this company which is designed to make a lot of money
this is apparently what hololive fans believe

>>107481087
Cover had no time to recast her. The gen was weeks away from debuting, not months.
There was no time to find a new pilot who then would have to go thru the hololive install process with training.

You need at least 2-3 months to do that, and Justice did not have that kind of time. They are just lucky they were able to edit her out of all the MVs and art and promo material and make it seem like it was always 4.

>>107481202
>The gen was weeks away from debuting, not months.
It was 4 months

>>107481239
it was sarcasm anon

>>107481145
and by this logic, why would he not recast the 5th girl when they were 5 months out from debut? why would he not recast the 5th girl who will bring in more money?

make it make sense

>>107481347
because there was never a 5th talent

>>107481347
>why would he not recast the 5th girl when they were 5 months out from debut?
not enough time

sure as hell cover doesnt treat the dogs as individual talents when it comes time to split the supas and all that. hell nah cover isn't treating them as inviduals then. oh? the channel made $300,000 in supas after everybody takes their cut? you each get $150k each split it, we are not paying each of you $300k

>>107481411
It's better to delay a few months and have 5 girls

>>107481557
how do you know?

>>107481347
alright that's simple. it takes longer than 4 months to do auditions and then pre-debut training.

An entire thread full of people failing at basic inductive reasoning

>>107481635
>auditions
they have finalists for a reason. in hollywood when someone backs out of a role, they go next man up and offer
also apparently 5 months was more than enough time to get all the mv's and animations and promo material and everything to make it so this make beleive 5th member does not exists

>>107481577
because if you delay but are getting an extra character out of it, you are making money in perpetuity off of an extra character you otherwise would not have

>>107481771
Yeah but if you delay it you're also wasting existing members time waiting for nothing, you're also making viewers wait too
You don't know their decision making process

>>107481827
and neither do you.
the facts are the facts.

the fact is we got a gen we were always supposed to get with lore that matched up to the prio gen and everything makes perfect sense, and then you have a scrambled egg drama grifter trying to act like she was a member of something and only didn't because she was a vshojo rape victim

also you can't even follow your own logic that yagoo would not hire a 4 person gen because it costs him money, yet say he would not recast a 5th because it will cost him money for to delay when he will make it back x5 by years end on a new talent

I honestly wish she did go into Holo if for no other reason than they wouldnt let her do react and politic streams. She was so much better before that shit

>>107481827
They can wait. New gens wait all the time for something a lot less than hololive.

>>107481939
>the fact is we got a gen we were always supposed to get with lore that matched up to the prio gen
That's not a fact either, they could have made that up after Grimmi left
>when he will make it back x5 by years end on a new talent
Also not a fact, delaying the new gen by another 6 months could very well not be worth it

>>107438876
who?

>>107478443
chronic female retardation

>>107481939
>a gen we were always supposed to get with lore that matched up to the prio gen and everything makes perfect sense
>5 bad guys
>4 good guys

>>107481771
>we're sorry but we're going to be moving forward with someone else. thank you for applying to hololive!
>jk lol a spot just opened up you want it?
they technically could do this but do you think they would want to? that's not very professional.

>>107438876
Who?

>>107481997
nope, it is a fact.
>they could have made that up after Grimmi left
proof? you don't have it. i have factual real and tangible mv's, animations, fleshed out lore etc

you have the word of a legally retarded woman missing 10% of her brain capacity who gets scammed by hotsauce


>>107482123
that's show business
what you are suggesting is tantamount to the VA of a main character in a cartoon quits ealry on in the process, and instead of simply recasting to someone who will happily accept and get that money and opportunity of their dream job, you just say "nah we are just killing off the character forever and changing the shows makeup forever. oh well"

>>107482229
You don't understand what facts are
It's a fact that they could have done that after Grimmi left
You don't know either way

>>107482229
>fleshed out lore
>5 bad guys
>4 good guys

>>107480332
Bumping again for an answer on this one.

>>107482306
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents?gp=advent

>>107482337
You seem to have forgotten to link their individual debuts on their individual channels. They did happen right?
I mean the bare minimum of being an individual talent is having your own debut, no?

>>107482413
is akirose a hololive talent? then link her debut on her youtube channel :)

>>107482337
strange when i click on their accounts, it directs you to the same joint twitter and youtube accounts that they share.....

>>107482263
>>5 bad guys
It's actually 4
>B-but they're actually 2 separate people in reality
>>107480396
>>107480183
>>107480760
>>107480824
>>107480929
As everyone has been telling they're treated as one entity

>>107482467
I went on Aki's channel, and I see a lot of videos.
There doesn't seem to be any streams or videos on Mococo or Fuwawa's official individual channels tho. Why would that be :)

>>107482470
it's two people who share one account. that doesn't make them one person.

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>>107482731
that is this character here is their youtube channel give them a follow

https://www.youtube.com/@FUWAMOCOch

It's so funny the entire argument for Grimmi being in Justice that anons are too retarded to understand Fuwamoco are kayfabe a single unit
But ALSO for whatever reason, they couldn't just replace her with another applicate depsite them doing the same thing with Mel when Hitomi Chris got fired

>>107482828
the entire argument for Grimmi being in Justice was she fucking said she was you idiot

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>there is... one dog

>>107482828
this

>>107442699
All I see is a russian agent here.
Heyжeли кoмпaния Phase Connect нaчaлa зaигpывaть c pyccкими?

>>107482863
>was she fucking said she was you idiot
Why should ANYONE believe when her source is "dude trust me bro"

>>107482863
a twitch whore who has turned into a political grifter instead of a horror streamer? lying?

why i have never heard of such a thing.

also it wasn't that she said she was totally supposed to be in hololive, it is also that she is a vshojo suddenlt.

>>107482944
Are you confusing her with squ or someone lol

>>107482943
You don't have to believe her, but nothing she said is provably false, the arguments people are trying to make to discredit her are totally retarded

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>>107438876
Cool thread MowTenDoo, still seething?

>>107482943
>>107475965

>>107482863
Grimmi can say she started the Chicago fire, but that don't make it fucking so.

Vshojo raped Grimmi out of being both in Nijisanji and Hololive. The monsters. What bad luck oh my

If Justice's lore was that they were crypto scammers trying to hack Advent's Yputube channels then you guys would have a solid point. But that's not the lore so you look retarded.

>>107483024
>>107482828

>>107482024
>female retardation
So, like 90% of the chuubas?
Being retarded is pretty much a requirement. Her "fell for it again" awards with the sauce and MSM are just par for the course for a vtuber. She just got tricked by a jew, and they are pretty sneaky, we already know that

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>>107483181
>woman is retarded and groomed by someone hoping to poach them

Of course she's lying, that's why she doesn't mention Hololive even once.

>>107483344
vshojo were not trying to poach her tho
if they were and say she was supposed to be in the lost gen, then i would believe her story unquestionably

>>107483358
retard

>>107483358
She has an NDA so she can only mention the companies she didn't join.

>>107483445
>says the corpo she would join was "bigger than nijien"
phasebros did we lose her?!

>>107482989
>but nothing she said is provably false
That's because she said nothing of any actual value, just vague bullshit and leaning on convenient coincidences
Like this anon said >>107479374
Her entire argument is literally just "you can't prove me wrong, but I can't prove myself right either!"
It's like me saying I worked at the World Trade Center, you can't actually prove me because it doesn't exist anymore lol

>>107483588
His story isn't that plausible because she doesn't need a reason to ungraduate, nor does she really have a reason to graduate outside of joining a company

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>>107483378
Of course they weren't, because she made it all up!

Every Hololive/HoloEN Generation since 2019 contains 5 members up until the one that debuted right after Grimmi backed out of a corporate vtubing deal.

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She said you could ask her for the receipt. I hope that helps, or keep writing your fanfiction, that's fine too

>>107483306
>Being retarded is pretty much a requirement
for being /here/

>>107438876
She was supposed to be in NIJIEN this is well known. Smartly backed out and earned a deserved incline from it at the time.
It just is no longer bankable to farm pity from that, so now she will say without saying it was holo while also saying bad guy vshojo talked her out of a dream job because she is trying to get pity from that now
and if you say it was not her dream spot, then why in the hell is she talking about now in the first place? She is trying to gain something from it now you tell me what....

>>107483921
>She was supposed to be in NIJIEN this is well known
She literally said it wasn't Niji

>>107483921
bro just woke up from a coma

>>107483965
continue reading to the third sentence

>>107484003
She has never said that it was Niji and always said that it wasn't Niji

she is beneath hololive and would not have even made it past prelim auditions
she has no talent

>>107483588
The rumor grimmi = 5th Justice came much later, and she is now using it…

>>107484067
>she has no talent
the biggest plot hole in all of this that is being ignored

>>107484067
ERB made it into Hololive

>>107484113
she can perform

>>107484166
GG made it in, Shiori made it in, Bijou made it in

>>107484219
>he keeps listing off vtubers who are exponentially more talented than grimmi

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>>107484219
Everyone you listed passed the vibe check, and have done very well with performing and streaming.

>>107484271
maybe you could say GG has a talent for comedy but the other two have no talents, actually Shiori is pretty much just worse Grimmi they're both weird autists

>>107484323
Grimmi passed the vibe check she literally got into Holo lol

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She’s just farming drama…
In 6 months she will use phase

>>107484354
Shiori has a better head on her shoulders at least and gets along with everyone. Grimmi is trouble. When you keep finding yourself in trouble, you are the problem.

>>107484323
I find it funny because the only argument against "X passed the vibe check" I ever hear is "She did/said something a few people on /vt/ didn't like"
They never talk about how they actually all get along and have had a grand total of ZERO incidents with other members.

>>107484435
>Shiori has a better head on her shoulders at least
no she doesnt

>>107438876
>giant homodicksucker

not a loss

>>107484417
>Grimmi passed the vibe check
apparently not cause she was never in hololive
weird thing about being in the club is you actually have to actually be a member of the club

>>107484527
She got in then she backed out

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>>107484219
Kill yourself faggot

>>107441224
but they're still on "good terms" somehow?

>>107484481
She does. You know why?
One of these vtubers is gonna perform at holofes in front of huge crowds and performed in NYC.

The other is on twitch crying about how allegedly vshojo bullied her out of joining another corpo.

>>107484682
She's not crying about it, she said she's happy with how things turned out
God you're fucking dumb

>>107484742
>happy how things turned out
then why is she talking about it and trying to farm pity? cause she is not happy.

>>107484772
Easy, she realized her channel growth slowed down so she pulled out the vagueposting card to bring attention to her again.
And it's clearly working.

>>107484772
she's not
I'm sure you didn't even watch her talk about it lol
stop being a fucking retard

>>107484839
Hololive won, you lost ligger :)

>>107484880
You're so fucking dumb
There's nothing at stake here, nobody won, nobody lost

>>107438876
>Grimmi announces her graduation on February 4th saying the graduation will be on March 3rd
>Selen is terminated on Feburary 5th 2024
>The black screen stream comes out on Feburary 12th 2025 at 8 PM EST, Grimmi ungraduates at 10pm
>Denauth, a niji wave, debuted on 24 May. A 3 persons wave when it is usually 4 persons wave. Haunted mansion theme
While for justice
> debuted on june 21, a 4 persons gen to match with advent
> for en branch, cover had released 4 of 4 persons gen consecutively
yep, she was totally joining hololive
>inb4 she said it herself
she only said the biggest company, which could means both depending on perspective. In term of company, niji is actually doing better than hololive.