Is pandering to normalfags the new meta? Is this the future of vtubing especially indie vtubing?
>>107475661She did it for years and what did it get her? A failed company, and fleshy streamers laughing at her singing during the awards. She's a pet, and a bit like Hasan's dog they don't treat her well.So no, it's not the future.
>>107475661Nah, that's only Ironmouse.She wants everyone to be a vtuber, for some strange reason.
>>107475661Gunrun… if you can hear us… please save me.These normietubers are surrounding me… strike down Ironlung before it’s too late
>>107475937We gotta admit excluding hololive she's almost the biggest, plus I'm seeing a lot of vtuber doing flesh reveals.God, VT I don't feel so good
>>107476241It's to late
>>107476245>almost rhr biggestPrimarily in mindshare (and that's largely because she's constantly appearing with big fleshies) rather than pure numbers. And after this you have to ask yourself (and I'm sure she is too) how many of those viewers will happily jump ship to a fleshy who's similar because they're not actually interested in vtubing? I'd guess a significant proportion.>seeing a lot of vtuber doing flesh revealsA lot of 3view and low 4view Twitch whores who only became vtubers to ride the wave of popularity after 2021, yes.
>>107476371Agreed but with how she responded, pretty sure iron mouse is not thinking of that at all, she's basically daring people to jump ship.
>>107475661she sure believes so
>>107476371>Primarily in mindshare rather than pure numbersshe's lit the 4th or 5th most watched female vtuber this year. All the one above her are holo jp first army.
>>107475661It's really not that complicated, you can make good money with vtubing, but the top flesh streamers make 1000x as much money.So it makes sense to leech from people like KaiCarat, HamasAbi or Asmongoloid for success.
>>107476245What really shocked me seeing all those twitch only normies loudly proclaiming that vtubers are just "cheap goonbait". Those whores really poisoned the well.
>>107477372Gotta disagree I like my whore agency gotta defend them, but if where only talking twitch whore vtuber I agree with you.
>>107477639The problem is that VAllure is pretty unique on youtube while 90% of twitch vtubers are just there to funnel guys into their OF/Fansley/Patreon goon subscriptions, and even though they are an adult corpo they are still more tame in their YT streams than a LOT of these twitch whores.
Does it surprise people that liggers like normalfags and fleshstreamers?
Im happy this bitch is finally getting dragged
>>107477763They can be pretty funny, I have to sayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGyNzJRJCxw
>>107477784Not surprised they like normal fags but surprised they rather pick them than their own community.
>>107477763They have Patreon, I should know.But yeah 100% better than twitch whore.
>>107480129Yes, but most of them are vtubers who also sell adult stuff. Twitch whores are pornlets who also act as vtubers. It's not the same thing.
>>107475937>>107476245the twitch whores will be twitch whoresit's mori and holo generally drifting in that direction which concerns mein one year we've gone from holo functionally boycotting filian's popularity contest to appearing in this far worse shitshow and that upcoming games award faggotry
Wow I really love this new schizo angleI'm gonna love it even more when they're still posting about it 5 years from now
>>107481741That's what I'm worried about, I believe it will either happen or Mori graduate.Other than Mori I feel like she's the only one with visible connection to the twitch circle.
>>107477639You really don't have to defend them. You just prove them right when you do, which is fucked up because most vtubers are not like this.
>>107477372>seiso and idol culture was a big advantage vtubing had over twitch thots>ruin it for simp bucks>the twitch thots win because now you're just them with less skin showingImagine my shock.
Ironmouse thank you so much for appealing and sucking up to people who hate vtubing and the vtubing community thats just so good of you. All Ironmouse needs to do now is dip her toes into the destiny and nick Fuentes clique and english vtubing will be all but destroyed. I cant day I'm surprised, shes on record saying she hates vtubing and if was healthy wouldnt be doing it. Shes literally on record saying shed rathed be a struggling singer trying to join a choir and big band than being a vtuber. Ironmouse has such a disdain and bitterful hatred of vtubing because of her circumstances that she's doing everything she can to burn it down all while proping herself up
>>107475661if ironmouse is popular then she is by definition a normalfag. none of you fucking retards can enjoy vtubers semantically and should probably move on to the next trend already.
>>107475661>Is pandering to normalfags the new meta?Yes, look at vidya and anime. Worked for them, financially at least.
>>107485367Eh. I'd say Mori is getting pulled back into Holo due to Justice collabs.Also if Yumi the Witch is one of the EN5 hires she'll have someone to do Warhammer painting streams with.
>>107475661she has a medical condition please understand!
>>107489631Grim
the hundreds of thousands of dollars helps her cope
>>107479992Have you seen the community?
>>107489581>on record saying she hates vtubingsauce?
>>107481741that was always mori's goal from the beginning though. People forget what she was like in 2021
I think it's okay that vtubing will never hit it big like the normie streamers, there's nothing wrong in it staying a hobbie where the Indies have around 2-5k ccv, that's already better than most streamers and for some enough to make a living out of it
>>107481741its not just Mori its who they have hired on for western staff/management. you think they dont have connections with the LA twitch clique and incentives to push for this? look at the recent "Holo takeover" on Twitch they just did, its all silicone valley networking going on behind the scenes. not good
>>107490440>its all silicone valley networkingI wouldn't be surprised if half of the fuckers they've hired on used to be involved with NijiEN in some capacity when that was the chuuba project of choice for weeb-adjacent cali streamers.
I already see hololive imploding due to one talent and being farmed by big twitch streamers
>>107475661Iulz let's be honest here, the normies she brouhr into the community didnt turned into fan but pests that actively mocks the community. She literally invites the twitchfaggots to invade our space and look where we are now. If you want someone who actually bring normies into vtubing and become fan, it's gura and myth. Mousey is literally both Ng done good in vtubing and even fillian clears her up in terms of value and importance.
>>107491046In the end we are stuck with iron mouse, it's just going to get worse and worse
>>107490653Kind of feels like small corpos and below-the-radar indies are where the good vibe is going. Black company shit, twitch celebrities and big indie drama are just murdering any positivity in the culture.
>>107492101Having fun watching roca 3d but damn the waves from this big corpo and indies are just to big to ignore.
>>107492222Yeah that was great. Rem's concert last month was really nice too.
>ironlung trying to shift a whole community againDeja vu.
>>107493629How many times has it been at this point?
Just to explain it in simple terms, this whole pandering to normies has always been applied.Her biggest collab partner is a IRL normie youtuber with friendly connections to the LA nepo streamer cartel, ludwig on top of his list.So of course she's willing to bend a knee for them, even tho they are the same people that appeals to an audience like kai that harrassed her on social media for years, ironically also caused by the SAME award show. And that's my problem with her why she's now pandering to the same type of people that would say the most heinous shit to her, this goes beyond my logical compass.
>>107494187I feel like it's not pandering anymore, it still is but it more like she made a choice and her choice is the normie community.
>>107475661of course a vtwitcher would hate the vtuber community, how is that even a question?
>>107477763>VAllure is pretty unique on youtubeonly in EN
>>107477372It's just the truth. Sometimes you just pull up any random vtuber on the 2nd monitor while you are playing a new ero game.
>>107494529Cause when she post things like new song, new project, normie doesn't give a shit, the vtubing community does.Maybe I'm wrong, maybe vtuber community is just a small part of her audience and it's all normie.
>>107489920>sauce?pag pag fueled delusions probably
>>107481741Blame ERB who has been raiding Koefficient, been streaming on Twitch and has been talking to RTgame and Ironkek's boyfriend
>>107496177unbelievably grim
>>107489920If there was, you wouldn't need to ask because it would be spammed at every opportunity.
>>107475938Because money.
>>107489581>destinyYou mean nick fuentes yt debate archival?
hi twitter, i hope you like my AI fanart kek
>>107498186that one tweet alone was worth the technodystopia
>>107497530No amount of money will heal her
>>107496177I like to believe there is no 5th justice member and erb was just the replacement.
>>107494622>maybe vtuber community is just a small part of her audience and it's all normie.that has always been my impression.
>>107475661>meta>it's a few whores who wish they could be fleshiesLearn what words mean
>>107475661She could kill puppies if someone offered her the normiecommunity on a silver platter, nothing new
>>107504246That's how it's start one second it just a few whore, by the time you blink it'll be holomem and more vtuber doing it.Future is bleak
>>107496212yeah
>>107477793For what? She did nothing
>>107506882mainly her attitude of punching down on all other vtubers because she wants to be in the twitch clique and they hate vtubers, she doesn't realize she's alienating herself and not gaining anything
