https://x.com/holoWitches/status/1998226102570164233This must be one of the biggest flops for Cover so far with 2 first army members. Maybe only Earth will be worse.
UmiSea forever!
>>107488571Not even the talents knew about this
It was fucking cursed like half the members ended up graduating.
>>107488571Translate this to English not all of us know Chinese
>>107488571Cover and anything remotely resembling Halloween is fucking cursed.
I don't pay attention to projects like this if they don't have any EN members
>>107488768I wonder if this was the backend work Kanata was stuck with
>>107488571LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLITERAL HOLOFAILURES
>>107488619Considering that HoloWitches is shutting down with an official announcement it's curious that Cover never did make any type of announcement for UmiSea. Cover initially made a huge deal about UmiSead with collabs, merch, and songs but they really don't have a clue how to keep hype going with anything related to EN. I somewhat wonder if ENreco will become the next UmiSea and one day Cover will drop it completely.
>>107489499they didn't mad a huge deal with Umisea that's why they can get away with sweeping it under the rug. Holowitches was marketed as a huge project but now they have to end it because half of it members graduated and they can't keep up.in short. Hololive Anime will never happen and Hololive Alternative is unfeasible with the way Cover handles their IP currently.
>>107489499Umisea was only songs with maybe a couple HoloGra episodes. HoloWitches was supposed to be a whole "media mix" franchise, but all that ended up doing was throwing more work on the talents.
>>107489634What more work? Projects like these require zero work from them. They don't even know what Holowitches is doing and the same is true of any of these projects. The mangaka insert references to the girls that show the care they put in and most of the girls will never read the manga. I'm glad they made sure to kill Holowitch while Kanata was still around to feel shame but she likely doesn't give a fuck. Luna probably hates her for it and Marine liked it as well.
They never learn do they, all the corpo-mandated groups end in a disaster and they keep insisting with them instead of boosting the natural ones, crazy.
>>107489499>I somewhat wonder if ENreco will become the next UmiSea and one day Cover will drop it completely.I fucking hope so, all of the forced shit has been cringe
Hololive's attempts at creating a unified lore with their talents always fails. Nobody gives a shit about Gura being an Atlantis princess or Ame a normal detective. They care about Gura poking the bear with her lol comments or Ame talking about time travel. You can't treat real people like their IP characters.
>>107489499Holowitches is cover's impudence on tapping on unknown forces they don't understand, thus ending up being cursed with half of the og cast graduating. This action is unsanctioned by the witch mio and watamage and expectedly, fell into ruin.
how come all the corpo mandate group ended upflopping? was there any good one?
>>107489499Umisea just kinda fell off over time long before anyone in it actually graduated and didn't all that much investment in it since it was born an idea Marine randomly cooked upThere was no need for an announcement since they pretty much stopped doing stuff after 2023 Holowitches had music, animated short, an live concert, and most importantly a serialized manga
>>107490159Right, think about how great that natural Holotori's doing. Oh, nevermind. It turns out the critical flaw in any group is it can be derailed by its weakest link. Cover gets way too fucked over on any project by that one asshole. Which is why the idea of HoloAlternative was always a myth. They drop their IP instantly when a girl flakes on them, that's completely unsustainable. You can't get people to invest millions in an anime if you're going to scrap it all when you have to terminate one of the main characters. There's a HoloAlt manga right now where Haato's a main character, if they lose her, that's probably gone. There's one that was based on this >>107489280 and had to cycle through so many removals that it somehow brought in Bae of all characters. The only ones untarnished so far that I can think of are Shiraken (which just came back as manga after a lot of success last year) and that one the Goblin Slayer artist does with Yamato Phantasia (Ayame, Fubuki, Miko and Mio).
>>107490156Chloe and Kanata had to record stuff for this in the studio like around midnight. This IS some additional work. Do you think the manga was the only thing it has?
>>107490570>There's one that was based on this >>107489280 and had to cycle through so many removals that it somehow brought in Bae of all charactersNewfagchama, Halloween Night was just one of the singles from the Bloom album/concert. They didn't need to replace anyone in anything since it was just one-off song for from 5 years ago >https://hololive.wiki/wiki/BloomAt least read the wiki if you're gonna LARP
>>107488571Thank god. The curse can finally end
>>107490600That's the additional work people want. Instead of you paying to make a song, they pay you to make a song. You can bet there were at least a half dozen Holos seething they didn't get to be in HoloWitch or an equivalent group. Chloe isn't witch-themed even in the slightest, she had to have requested or opted in somehow, she doesn't even make sense.
>>107490700It was based on that thematic grouping you mouthbreathing retard.
>>107490734>It was based on that thematic groupingYeah, 5 years you dullardThat doesn't mean the song ALWAYS has to be performed with the same 4 singers, are you too retarded to realize that?
>>107490705What the girls want are their own groups that they create themselves like Startend or Hoshimatic Project. Hoshimatic is something Chloe actually wanted to partake in and she stayed with it until her health issues no longer allowed her to.
>>107490777What the actual fuck are you pretending here? That you don't know English? There is an official manga based on that thematic grouping where they had to swap out all those graduations. Rushia was swapped for Lamy, Mel was swapped for Bae and now Shion was swapped for Mori.
What the fuck is HoloWitches
>>107490156>require zero work from themAnon doesn't even watch clips...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZYJ-qNKmjs
>>107490705if you know who her PL is, Chloe wanting to become holoWITCH actually makes sense.
>>107490570Kiara has talked about Holotori numerous times and she has said multiple times that everyone involved was willing to do more but they were stonewalled by upper management who preferred to focus on their own management-created groups
>>107490779Startend is also a massive failure, her own friends didn't even want her to stay in Hololive, are you trying to look like a clown? Hoshimatic is no better off as you yourself point out it is vulnerable to the exact same problem you implied was a problem of official groupings.
>>107490700the Demon School manga is supposed to have Rushia in it, but after what happened to her, they had to scramble for a replacement and that's where Towa entered.
>>107490901>That you don't know English? There is an official manga based on that thematic grouping where they had to swap out all those graduations. Rushia was swapped for Lamy, Mel was swapped for Bae and now Shion was swapped for Mori.That's HoloAlt retarded bro
>>107491019Lmao you're right, didn't Suisei literally tell Aqua to graduate?
>>107490993I was talking about Mumei, I don't think there's anything wrong with what Holotori accomplished. What else was it going to accomplish? Most of these groups don't do much. The point is none of them can have longevity because they all get crippled by one member fucking off and leaving the rest to pick up the pieces.
>>107491040Did you think Holo was short for Anycolor?
>>107490944>https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Magical_Girl_holoWitchesTL;DR it was a mixed-media project that went tits up because 3 of it's 6 intial members have graduated
>>107491019Startend was just a group Aqua recruited for an APEX tournament, but Cover wanted to make a big deal out of it thinking they'll win it. but they lost hard after so much hype, and Cover just pretended the group doesn't exist.
>>107491051And Towa is pretty infamously not a Hololive fan.
>>107491190She's probably next in line.
>>107488571>>107490300Exodus 20:3
Time for Holofags to erase it from existence that these types of projects was pushed by management cause merch and cost Kanata her health.
>>107492475They could've replaced her like with Shion and Chloe.
>>107490289>Hololive's attempts at creating a unified lore with their talents always fails.>You can't treat real people like their IP characters.Cover has the nasty habit of forcing talents into shit they don't care about while canceling the projects they like. That combination demoralizes them and it was only after the recent graduations that they are giving them a little more freedom. Still they did let the situation in Hololive get dire before making any changes.
>>107488571Cover themselves are pretty rubbish at this shit, anything successful is based purely off the talents making it work and not something the corpo dreamt up and tried to force. Shiraken probably the best example of this as it just started as two hags fucking around in Minecraft at 2am.
>>107492739>it was only after the recent graduations that they are giving them a little more freedomthey won't learn a thing
Well it'd kind of be hard to keep it running when the one who did all the managerial work behind the scenes just graduated.
>>107489396100%
>>107492739>it was only after the recent graduations that they are giving them a little more freedomSuch as...???
>>107489280I've been thinking about this. Spooky Holos might be cursed.
Two weeks has passed.
>>107493973Wake me up when December ends
>>107489396The moment she left we get this. Pretty obvious she was doing all the work while the rest were slacking off.
>>107493996b-but /vt/ told me fubuki was cover's lapdog! there's no way she didn't put effort... right?
>>107489396more like half the cast has graduated and they keep on pivoting the story so much, they just gave up
Like half of the cast barely made sense anyway, they should make a new magical girl series with girls that actually fit
>>107493996Now you're just pretending to be retarded. Kanata finished the work she was complaining about and even explicitly talked about what it was.
>>107490159Their biggest failure is still HLZTL and it's pretty much a meme now how no one actually wanted to be in it and actively was against it. I have never seen vtubers just actively oppose a project like HLZTL
>>107488571Surprised they didn't just quietly shutter it like umisea
>>107495031The first one was good, the girls might've not liked it but at least the audience are still entertained.The second one was just public humiliation.
>>107496005wait, there's two holizontal streams? the only ones i'm aware of was the Overwatch one where the girls got raped every match.
>>107496046The first one was a Valorant tournament with only the girls.
>>107488619Fpbp lmaoOP BTFO
>>107493085Executive meddling is the curse of all creative industries.
LMAO Holo can't stop taking Ls.
>>107495960Umisea was barely even a thing. HoloWitches was a legitimate project featuring Aoi Yuuki of all people.
>>107496470The fuck do they need a voice actress in a vtuber project?
>>107496575okay smart guy, let's see YOU think of new ways to waste the money the girls earn.
>>107494907NTA but I missed it can yojkktiu elaborate?
>>107491190>>107491051>>107491019this thread truly just devolved to shitposting, I suppose that's pretty much everything non general
>>107493085Yeah. It definitely feels like these things are more done so some cover employee(s) can stroke their ego and pretend they are the ones who made something successful, and not the talents.Or am I too cynical?
>>107488571COVER is a company that keeps afloat despite every single effort by the company itself lmaoThey're very lucky the talents themselves are popular, because almost everything coming from the corpo themselves flops.
>>107489499I guess the difference is HoloWitches has shown to already replaced previous members who graduated, they could still have replaced Kanata but it'd probably give really bad vibes and implications to other talents that you can just be replaced from projects. Imagine if next year only Miko is basically left from the original lineup.
>>107500736HoloWitches was a success though.
>>107502211Dude what.They had the fucking megumin and madoka voice actresses dubbing the 2 mascotte and AMV/songs that likely had to be remade/scrapped a couple of times.And for what? Selling what merch?This not only lost money but also fucked up the girls schedules and contributed to graduations.This is a blunder as big as holoearth, if not even bigger.This is the end of any hololive big long term projects using actual talent imput, hololive anime never ever.
>>107499306No, if anything that's the most likely scenario, both umisea and holowitches were born out of marketing and not for the talent nor for the sake of the fans either.
>>107499306No, I've heard that called the Good Idea Fairy. You need to shoot it down with extreme prejudice
>>107496961HoloEarth 2
>>107490289To be fair, they canonized Ame being a time traveler too.And Smol Ame.
>>107488619>>107489499Speaking of which, is Holotori just not a thing anymore now that Mumei left? Why not just replace her with Nerissa? Even Kiara doesn't push it anymore.
