>>107563420
Qrd?

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>>107563420
wtf cover made an entire album about this silly goof?

>>107563420
>went

>>107563657
Her album flopped and it mind broke Lui

>>107563657
They misreported the sales numbers to a Japanese chart which caused Lui to numberfag herself into a mental breakdown

>>107563420
https://x.com/sub_luilui/status/1999108021788766437
She's going on break

I really like Lui's singing. I would even say she is one of hololive's best singers, but I have to remind myself from time to time to check her channel to see if she has posted any new songs, because I usually just forget about her.

>>107563420
Either the chart maker fucked up and forgot to add another 0 in the number or Cover intern sent the wrong numbers to the chart maker, and they are currently investigating it

They better fucking hope the fault lies on the chart maker or else it will be another yab for Cover

>>107563880
>I would even say she is one of hololive's best singers
Disagree

>>107563880
the sooner she finds out her voice is not great for singing the better, she's being gaslit by everyone around her

This hag needs a baby ASAP.

>>107563420
That's weird, I like a lot of her songs

>>107563837
ngI. that's funny asf

lui let me be with you, i won't be a cheating scumbag like all japanese men

>>107563854
why is this worthy of a mental health break? lmaooo
Is there anyone in holo that isn't mentally broken?

Did Holo actually fuck up or are they just saying whatever to get her to calm down?

>>107563739
I mean, that's probably most holos albums. 99% of their buyers are just loyal fans of the streamer herself. But since all 70 holos want to have a "serious" music singing career...

>>107564058
The fuckup was on Cover's end, but it's not clear if it was the program they use to report CD sales' fault or not
Even then that's probably something you should double or triple check

>>107564418
nah its one of the four hundred nijisanji agents they hired for middle management

What's the number reported?

>>107564404
Streaming/sales numbers get misreported all the time, not just music too it's actually hard to have a 100% accurate accounting of your sales numbers at all times and companies from big to small revise their data all the time. The only difference is that usually people don't have mental breakdowns over these numbers, so they might be dissapointed at first and later they revise the numbers and are like "oh cool it actually did better than we thought" and you never even hear about those cases because, again, nobody had a menhera episode over it.

link to crashout?

>>107564374
>voluntarily
ok bitch

lui really should just retire

>>107563420
>>107563854
why are they like this

Did she crashout on stream and or did it happen on twitter?

>>107563420
How well does Hololive's music actually do on average outside of Mori and Suisei? It's always either those two or some random Marine song that becomes a meme for a month or two

>>107564692
On twitter, I would feel like shit too if someone hd accidentally added an extra 0 to my numbers just to realize I didn't sell as many copies since that's revenue right there.

The duck is holos best singer.
The duck has the best song.
That song has the best MV.

>>107564706
The only ones who found mainstream success are Marine, Mori and Suisei. However, there are a few whose albums sold well. Mio reached oricon number 1 in sales even when her orisong views are on the lower side.

>>107563420
Woman moment?

>>107563739
SEA reading comprehension at work

>>107563420
id make her my wife

>>107563420
That's unfortunate. The talents have to show with sales numbers that there is a demand for their music if they want to ever stand on stage as solo act, so if an album flops or gets perceived as flop it's bye bye to those dreams and hello to menhera meltdown. I think Lui will get there someday though, I remember Mio talking about how sololive for her was impossible years back but she got hers in the end.

>>107564885
>I remember Mio talking about how sololive for her was impossible years back but she got hers in the end.
That's what happens when you're part of the clique and have epstein-tier blackmail

>>107563880
>I would even say she is one of hololive's best singers
She's not, her voice is too weak.

following female tubers fucking suck

They have women moments and crash out so fucking easily, you never know if they'll just up and graduate because they had a particular bad day

meanwhile male vtubers are men and automatically have a buff in mental capacity and hardness.

STAN HOLOSTARS

>>107564786
Congrats to Mio then. But I had a feeling that was the case. If you can't break into the mainstream, it's just dozens of talents all fighting for the same fan wallets. Sucks for Lui to have a breakdown but it's the sad reality

So her song flopped she started malding and Cover had to say it wasnt that bad?

>>107563420
Her voice makes me so fucking hard, too bad.

>>107565060
Imagine hitting top 4th top song of the week, and the having your numbers revised and you are actually 19th of the week. That's enough to make someone graduate.

>>107565095
Oh poor Lui

>>107564706
>>107564706
Mori albums all flopped, her only saving grace is spotify and youtube streams. The only holo with good album sales is Suzy

>>107563420
She justified her homocollabing with idea of wanting to be seen as artist, so it's not surprising she's menhera over this.

>>107565166
i just got done watching a video about how music companies bot specifically spotify and youtube streams funnily enough

>>107564280
Nah, she knew music industry is barely about singing or music that's why she knew she still got a chance as long as she can get popular enough even if it's unrelated to music like doing collabs for numbers instead of actually train her skill, tbf the former is easier and even if you got the skill it won't guarantee anything

>>107564996
But enough about Kiara

>>107565166
>>Mori albums all flopped, her only saving grace is spotify and youtube streams
i can't say im a fan, but it cant be that her success is only propped up by her fans since she has gotta so many industry connections right?

>>107563854
Cover does place a lot of weight on vtubers to care about numbers and can only imagine it's 10 times worse in the JP branch were they expect absolute loyalty to the company. The burn out is often due to mental stress and Cover is burning money on stuff like HoloEarth which means they need even more revenue to make up for that.

>>107563739
Why are so many of these women fucking obsessed with numbers? Like i understand they've got a bottom line to keep but holy shit why do so many of them freak the living fuck out over it? There's no way the same company that let Gura not stream at all cares that much if the albums do so-so.

This is probably about money. Lui invested in an album and planned to profit on the 3d live. If her numbers aren't good she won't get the live and will lose a significant amount of money. That's why everyone wants a 3d live. They're very profitable and these girls always aim for the easy cash.

>>107565364
retards will tell you it's only because Japanese people don't understand english and they think she's cool

>>107565566
>They're very profitable and these girls always aim for the easy cash.
there needs to be a lot of context on this because concernts in general, are not profitable at all and they rely on merch sales to become profitable.

is hololive having a menhera avalanche?

>>107565364
>>107565274
No one really buys physical media anymore outside of japan

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There is no talent mistreatment at Cover Corporation

>>107565612
have you not noticed how often merch sells out at hololive events? of course merch is a part of it.

>>107565635
Lui has been tense for a while, between Kanata and Laplus she wasn't doing super great.
She wants to act like the reliable older sister but has the mental fortitude of a wet paper bag.

>>107563710
They wish they had this fish

>>107565643
Probably because they don't have to pay delivery fee.

>>107564996
You mean fubuki sucking dicks for Mio?

>>107563854
I love Rui I wish she wouldn't care about this gay numbers shit

Post Lui baby fever and or hag moments

>>107565021
Instructions unclear, I'm now following trannies

under 3000 is low for a hololive talent, but her first one is also 4 digits, not that much higher anyways

Rui is not a hag just has a mature voice

>>107565453
Management pressure would be the rrat of the day

COVER did well granting all these full-gen lives for next year so these holos have to hold for a few extra months before they graduate

>>107565453
Nips are obsessed with rankings and leaderboards in all forms.

>>107566194
I thought only SEA cared about numbers

>>107565781
is that service still available?

>>107565453
Money from streams is irrelevant for the most part. Sales are where it’s at. In this case your ability to sell albums determines where in the waiting line you fall for a sololive. Your bluray sales of that sololive determine if cover will ever consider you getting a second one.

>>107565453
>why are people who throw themselves into the entertainment industry insufferable headcases vying for finite attention??
GEE WHO FUCKING KNOWS MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKED IN THE HEAD?

>>107565076
here is more of her voice : https://voca.ro/12IMJoFDDXJo

>>107566194
Don’t they suck in nearly every sport? Outside the olympics, that is.

>>107565566
>That's why everyone wants a 3d live. They're very profitable and these girls always aim for the easy cash.
Several of the EN talents in Hololive flat out state they lose money on 3D lives which is a reason that Ame and Fauna never did a single optional 3D live. Cover will pay for their 3D showcase but there is a reason why many talents never bother doing anything after that. Yagoo used to have numerous 3D lives for Holostars, which almost certainly were funded by Hololive unicorns (ironic to say the least), but now that investors are closely looking over expenses Yagoo can't do that anymore. That is why 3D lives on the Holostars side are rare in recent years but even on the Hololive side the average has actually gone down. They are technically a waste of money even if they are considered a big feature of joining Hololive. A sololive is even worse since it does cost several times more than a 3D live and relying on fans to travel to a physical venue.

>>107563420
the absolute state of this career path

Hololive music is so fucking trash (except for Suisei and sometimes Marine)

>>107566543
How long until investors go full dumbass and kill the concert/music side outside of the actual moneymakers?

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>graduates

only numberfags are left at hololive, Smh

>>107566583
mio can be decent sometimes

surprised people didnt know shes a numberfag, she unironically does slot sniping with one pov collabs type of shit, trying to snipe first to fotm, or avoids having a pov in multis unless its required
like she begged for a whole month to avoid being the last holox to a mill

>>107563739
>>107563837
What breakdown? I havent heard anything. Anyway graduation incoming at this rate. Its pretty clear a lot of girls view vtubing as a stepping stone to something else, im just surprised even JP girls are doing that. Thats why you gotta appreciate the real ones, im surprised Kiara is in that list as much hate as she gets. Literally the only big EN that came out and defended vtubing fans during the peanut shitshow instead of licking his ass.

>>107564340
lmao, yeah you will. If you can get Lui you will eventually think "maybe i can get an even hotter JP girl" and before she knows it you are backshotting Roppongi and throwing away yen, while she is at home wondering how they are gonna pay the bills this month.

Lui is for consensual hand-holding

>>107566712
>all the holocucks left for their hugbox
Kek

>>107566712
>Proves phasecucks are hidden in their thread while holocucks shit the board because they have nothing to talk about

>>107566492
The competitive trend causes them to shy away from sports that they arent already established in, because whats the point of getting better at something if you dont have 50k other prefectural schools to beat in it?

>>107565397
this. if you have dreams to do things in hololive you need to have the numbers to get anywhere. so there's a lot of pressure to perform so obviously the women are gonna have meltdowns constantly cause they are women

>>107565453
Because cover doesn't pay for this shit
A self-published professional album sets you back mortgage-tier money. Most vtubers go into debt to produce something like that, relying on the sales to drag them back out of the hole later. Bad noombers means debt slavery, especially for someone like Kui that isn't swimming in superchats or sponsorships. It's probably going to take her a long time to square that circle

>>107567088
maybe she should've thought about that before homo collabs lol.

God why are women so fucking retarded

>>107565453
Vast majority of streamers are total retards. They get to sit behind a computer all day and make more money than the majority of people on earth but they still find reasons to bitch and cry.
>>107566282
People with 10k concurrent views are easily clearing $300-500k a year on ads alone and that's before donations & subs. Part of the reason people have been leaving hololive is because cover won't leave them alone and let them only do streams. If you're not into doing live events, why would you bother when you can sit on your ass and make more money.

I hope she graduates, she'll feel so much better once she gets out of the holo shithole

>>107567123
>Homo mention out of nowhere
Mindbroken

>>107566543
>Several of the EN talents in Hololive flat out state they lose money on 3D lives
They lose money on MVs too. People vastly overestimate how much they make from events and vastly underestimate how much they make from regular streams.

>>107565453
>spend time and money on this product I made that I want to sell
>flopped and can't recoup investment
why do you pretend this one isn't understandable? this isn't free production you retard

>>107564599
You should retire from life

unrelated but i heard a while back lui and koyori had some drama between each other. anyone know what happened?

>>107563420
>koyori and lui
vs
>laplus and iroha
numberfags vs chill streamers...is HoloX united at all?

>>107567201
yeah her numbers just nuked for no reason coincidentally around the same time she did homocollabs. I'm sure the two have no connection at all. It's not like the same thing happened to Kronii, Ririkka and literally every other homocollaber besides ERB who just came out of the gate with it. Totally coincidental.

>>107564340
Japanese women are the cheating scumbags though

>>107567308
>Ririkka
who

>>107565769
Mate. I haven't heard of anyone owning a cd-player in like.. 10 maybe 15 years :D

Hope she feels better soon this probably feels like a slap in the face to her since she put in a lot of effort into the album

>>107567443
this is Japan, they just migrated from floppies to cds

This is why they should just stick to playing video games.

>>107566815
Wait what list?

In the end idols are almost always just average to mediocre "artist" sustained by hardcore fans.

So... unicorns and long time dedicated fans, lui is low on both.

>>107564374
I'll explain it for you basement dwellers who never had a job. Considering a lot of members are leaving hololive due to management and backend (Investors) changes, they are applying a lot more pressure on their talents and not doing well means even more pressure, which yes, hurts your mental because if this flops, how do you make sure something else doesn't flop? 3 members went menhera in the span of a month, think about it.

>>107565453
Doing badly places you at the bottom rung of the company, simple as.

>>107567708
Retard

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>>107563420
this is 100% on cover management, they told she could skip building an idol base within her first year and move to being an "artist/musician" so she started to collab with homos and other males for some extra support from Cover, turns out no one gives a fuck about another nobody "singer". Even fucking Suisei told that retard Kanade who wanted to go the same route that she needs to be a great streamer first before focusing on her music.
many such cases.

No idea about the dramafaggotry and I don't really watch Lui, but her songs and covers are some of the most fun to listen to in Hololive.

Lui brings nothing substantial to holoX

>>107567825
Which tells a lot about hololive "music"

>>107566712
yes this is a number posting containment breach?

>>107565166
Dude Mori's last album debuted on the worldwide sales charts at #9, if she's a flop then %90 of all musicians are.
https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/foster-the-people-third-top-10-on-billboard-album-sales-chart-paradise-state-of-mind-1235764457/

>>107568004
Neither does any holomem that isn't Pekora or Korone, using your seafag logic.

>>107567293
they both wanted my dick to themselves, but I said they had to share

>>107568019
Go back to /mu/ faggot

>>107565453
Anon lets be honest, if you were a corpo vtuber you'd be obsessed with numbers too

>>107567131
Youtube stream ads suck dick they barely get paid for those

>>107567792
It's the same for kpop, you have the same fans buying multiple copies of the album.

>>107567293
Just because two hags are both numberfags, doesn't mean they get along

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>>107567708
Yeah, and in this case they got famous by streaming, the beancounters and the managers convinced them they could make big bux if they'd make a couple of albums while doing everything BUT streaming, and here we are. Now the fans got to deal with a buncha glorified divas who've forgotten where they came from and everything is going to hell lmfao.

We gonna see some more 30-something talents go completely of their rockers when they hear they gotta go back to playing games and acting cute in 2026, mark my words. My popcorn is ready, I tell ya hwhat.

Lui has a nice ass and a cute face.
I like how big and strong she seems in most fanart

>>107568269
Anon, 8th place sold 5k, she sold less than that and it was the debut week.

Isn't she a hafu or something? Doesn't she know Thai for some reason? I recall that event with her and Biboo it being mentioned.

>>107563420
>Lui went menhera thanks to numbers
May I see it?

>>107569677
So everyone in the entire world wide music industry is a flop then?

This thread is extremely retarded, and these retards should die.

I hope she graduates, she'll feel so much better once she gets out of the holo shithole

>>107570722
Temper temper, ATM-kun.

>>107570562
Everyone that is not the publishers taking all the profit i suppose

>>107567136
>>107570892
Bot alert!

Lapu shouldntve glazed her singing

>>107570285
>no, because... because reasons okay???

>>107570933
>Nigga still in his feelings over a joke

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>>107571374
It's NIGGER. And you sound mildly peeved over a "joke".

>>107567308
I don't even remember the last time she did one

>>107566194
>obsessed with rankings and leaderboards in all forms
Asian culture in general is hyper competitive. If you don't score top 10% than your a failure and bring eternal shame to your ancestors. That makes even the 18th century puritans look like relaxed fun loving surfers and it's a small miracle that vtubers even came out of Japan.

>>107571497
This

>>107566543
concert. 3d live concert. at a venue. not a free stream on youtube. anyone showing up will buy tickets, buy a ticket to stream online, and they all have a lot of merch and sell out. pekora dazzled everyone with how much money she made and everyone decided they needed an album and a concert to cash in.

This whole thread is based on the concept that she actually sold less than she thought when it's actually the other way around

>>107573157
If she sold way more than she actually thought why would she be going on a mental health break, anon?

>>107573258
because she probably went through a ton of turmoil and stress because of some beancounters fuck up when counting beans is their entire job.

>>107563420
how did this cause "significant inconvenience" to her fans? what the hell lol

>>107567293
nothing specific, they just had atrocious vibes between them since debut and it took them a while before "patching things up" according to them but they still barely interact outside of whole gen shit

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>>107566543
Rather than money I believe the biggest issue with 3D events is time, there are around 3 yearly events they have to plan in advance (birthday, anniversary and holofest) and for that tey need to learn routines from scratch, get perms and invite gests and agree what are they gonna do, that's on top of their daily streaming schedules + any optional project they decide to take like albums or sololives.
I think money could be an issue but most of the time is secondary as almost everyone (with some exceptions) can recoup loses pretty fast doing daily tasks.

>>107573835
>>107573157
Actually when you undersell and fail to make a profit you win in holotranny logic

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>>107575196
I mean

>>107575252
Too bad this won't stop Lui, Niko, Haachama, Kanata and Korone from graduating

>>107563420
I bet ATM bros are feeling sad over this...

>>107575299
Oh that sounds fun.
Wanna compare graduation numbers?

>>107575447
Remember when #graduationrush was trending on twitter after Ame, Fauna, Chloe, Aqua, Shion, A-chan and Gura graduated? Hell I'm probably forgetting someone because holos are abandoning that sinking ship in huge numbers.

Oh yeah I remember the other girl was Mumei LMAO

>>107575565

2018:
>Kaminari Poaro (VOIZ)
>Kurohane Kuroto (VOIZ)
>Naruto Kogane (ex-SEEDs)
2019:
>Shindo Raito
>Nakao Azuma (ex-SEEDs)
>Umiyashano Kami (ex-SEEDs)
>Hassaku Yuzu (ex-SEEDs)
>Yamiyono Moruru (ex-Gamers)
>Kudo Chitose
>Setsuna (ex-Gamers)

2020:
>Tsukimi Shizuku (ex-SEEDs)
>Moarin (KR)
>Achikita Chinami (ex-SEEDs)
>Kaen (KR)
>Lorou (KR)
>Hakuren (KR)
>Yu Ruri (KR)
>Kingyozaka Meiro
>Izumo Kasumi (ex-SEEDs)
>Wiffy (KR)

2021:
>Otogibara Era
>Aadya (IN)
>Noor (IN)
>Vihaan (IN)
>Shin Yuya (KR)
>Suzuhara Lulu
>Nun Bora (KR)

2022:
>Ko Yami (KR)
>Lee Siu (KR)
>Lee On (KR)
>Shin Kiru (KR)
>Chae Ara (KR)
>Han Chiho (ex-KR)
>Warabeda Meiji
>Song Mia (ex-KR)
>Melissa Kinrenka
>Mayuzumi Kai
>Miyu Ottavia (ex-ID)
>Axia Krone
>Yugo Asuma (EN)

2023:
>Zaion LanZa (EN)
>ZEA Cornelia (ex-ID)
>Asahina Akane
>Taka Radjiman (ex-ID)
>Siska Leontyne (ex-ID)
>Gundo Mirei
>Nina Kosaka (EN)
>Amicia Michella (ex-ID)
>Azura Cecillia (ex-ID)
>Mysta Rias (EN)
>Nara Haramaung (ex-ID)
>Reza Avanluna (ex-ID)
>Hyona Elatiora (ex-ID)
>Xia Ekavira (ex-ID)
>Mika Melatika (ex-ID)
>Aiba Uiha

2024:
>Riksa Dhirendra (ex-ID)
>Pomu Rainpuff (EN)
>Yuki Chihiro
>Azuchi Momo (ex-SEEDs)
>Selen Tatsuki (EN)
>Kyo Kaneko (EN)
>Bonnivier Pranaja (ex-ID)
>Suzuka Utako
>Hex Haywire (EN)
>Kunai Nakasato (EN)
>Victoria Brightshield (EN)

This list doesn't even count 2025.

>>107563420
Man what's happening in JP? One after another lol

>>107566492
Yeah but that's not because they're not obsessed with rankings and leaderboards, it's because they're 5'4" asians with the grip strength of a 12 year old.

>>107566815
>m surprised Kiara is in that list as much hate as she gets. Literally the only big EN that came out and defended vtubing fans during the peanut shitshow
Huh, respect for Kiara. I didn't even know

How long are you holoniggas gonna do the "but nijisanji" thing nobody who uses this forum has ever watched any of those people we don't give a fuck

>>107563420
well well well looks like the bots that homocollabers get don't equate to sales

>>107576003
Nijiseethe

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This thread just makes me think that no one here on this board actually reads anymore

>>107575299
Haachama makes me uoh

>>107576138
You have to be illiterate to post here anonchama

>>107576036
Bots this bots that why don't you go bot you some bitches

>>107576068
>wow hololive ain't doing great
>OH YEAH WELL THE PACKERS JUST LOST THE FOOTBALL GAME
>what?
>LEBRON DUNKED ON THEM ALL EPICLY THEY LOST THE WORLD SERIES
>nobody cares we don't watch that
>GREENBAYSEETHE
this is what you guys sound like

>>107564706
Miko had strong album sales, but that was purely on the strength of her fan base, and she is aware of that. I’m pretty sure she sold more than marine though. Or maybe I’m thinking blu-ray?

>>107566613
when they manage to get Yagoo to retire and put a puppet ceo. holostars being axed would follow shortly after that.

>>107575624
None of that seething is gonna bring Kanata back lol

>>107565453
Most of them are "obsessed" with numbers in the same fun way people here are. It's the ones who always have the lowest numbers (like Lui, Kiara, Aki, Haachama) who have the public meltdowns about them. And inevitably there will always be members who have the worst numbers. No matter how good those numbers are. And they will be upset about it.

>>107566543
You are talking about 3d lives but he clearly mispoke and meant sololive.

>>107565916
retard
if we didnt have numbers holo would just be kurosanji

>>107577121
Don't you think there's management pressure on them?

>>107577262
They put the pressure on themselves, management just looks at the numbers of everyone they have and then say "well clearly we should expect at least these numbers from you before we fund this" and the girls have meltdowns because they want the things that more popular members have. But management doesn't force that on them because there are always members with shitty numbers who do not give a fuck and who don't want the popularity and the attention and the things that rich people have. You never see Roboco having meltdowns all the time. I don't remember Mel crying about it constantly. Flare definitely developed a complex but I think she learned to just adjust and take on a different role. Sora admits she puts all those bad feelings on herself.

>>107565453
most of them gaslight themselves into thinking they have actual talent and aren't merely a parasocial internet girlfriend with good branding.
even though they had no success outside hololive.

>>107577416
albums cost a lot of money to make

>>107577548
they should just become musicians themselves.

>>107577548
Which is why the only two types of members who pursue them are those that have a large enough fanbase to take the risk or those that are super passionate about music. But those super passionate people were often passionate before Hololive. On the EN side that's why Mori was already living in Japan despite having no love for Japan at the time, because she was passionate about trying to have a music career. With more recent members who joined after Hololive was already huge, some like Nerissa or Kanade have mentioned they did so because they wanted a way to pursue a music career. Others like Watame (and maybe Lui, I don't know her past) seem to have really become passionate about music once they had a chance at success with Hololive.

>>107577490
they obviously have some amount of talent. Yes vtubing is largely about the waifu avatar, but equally you do need to be actually entertaining.

Actually I think you're a bad faith troll and not sure why I replied but anyways.

>>107577750
indies need to be entertaining. holos don't. just being there is guaranteed views.

>>107564374
IRyS hasn't been since Omega got fired

>>107577825
What about Reine and her 100 something viewers many days when she decides to pull out slog-of-a-visual-novel #8675309?
I think you're just trolling by now desu

>>107563420
>Make a feat with a nijiEN.
>Music numbers goes to shit not long after.
>She goes on a break.
Wew powerful touch of shit if i have to say.

>>107577979
IWyS is built for anal and heavy petting

>>107577979
retards are easy to please

>>107577416
>Sora
Cover don't handle her music, you're mixing things up.

>>107578035
did i say holo or did i say holoid?

>>107563420
So did they overreport or underreport the numbers?

>>107563420
This was the inevitable outcome of her deciding she wanted to be a serious music artist instead of a unicorn-friendly idol
Without unicorn fans to lean on the talent required to succeed is much higher, and she doesn't have it

>>107578114
If you can read, you'll see those examples were people in Hololive with bad numbers, not just bad music numbers. Lui has always been known as the runt of HoloX in every metric, not just her music.

>>107577750
this post was written by a woman

>>107578265
Your examples are dogshit, anon, we are talking about numbers to fund music, Sora doesn't have that problem and she never really complain about anything at all.

>>107577416
Fuutan is very persistant on reminding people to listen to her music whenever she puts out a new cover or orisong, you could say it comes off as pushy. Unfortunately the high pitch she wants to sing majority of her music in makes it really hard to listen more than once. I don't think she'll be able to hold a sololive like this.

>>107567131
>People with 10k concurrent views are easily clearing $300-500k a year
the fuck

>>107579729
Yes comrade. Fuutan's voice is going to prevent her from ever getting a sololive. It's unfortunate for hardcore Fuutan fans like us.

>>107563420
i didnt even know that lui was supposed to be a singer, i watch pekora, fubuki, gigi, and cici

>>107578789
They are literally all the same thing, Haachama was not having a meltdown over numbers to fund music. It's the complexes these girls develop over not having numbers that are being discussed you illiterate fucktard.

>>107579872
she has a lot of songs i like but i'm not going to buy an album or pay for anything it's 2025 lmao

>>107580221
>It's the complexes these girls develop over not having numbers
Except Sora never got this problem you retard, you don't even watch stream

>>107577043
It won't bring any of NijiEN's paying viewers back, either.

>>107582019
I don't know why you think it's so important to emphasize you've never watched Sora before. I don't care, you don't have to watch her. I don't even know who you are, your reputation is not being harmed here.

>>107582515
>n-no u
It irks me when you are obviously don't watch stream then acted like you know what you're talking about

>>107563420
She survived black company, she should be tougher than this

>>107577728
Lui was an unpopular solo singer (dark sexy type) and the main member of a successful group (cute cartoon girls).

>>107566971
>people having a good time
>faggots come and fuck each other in the ass, flinging shit all over the place
>people leave
>LMAO PEOPLE FLEEING TO SAFE SPACE
you oshi /vt/

>>107563420
oof the qrts, I guess the fans are waking up

Holokeks....

qrd

>>107565566
The main source of revenue for 3D live concerts isn’t the concert itself, but the merchandise announced there. In most cases, the concerts themselves operate at a loss.

>>107565590
Unironically this is part of the reason, her "rap" couldn't make it in the states and she had to flee to japan

>>107591660
Either way it worked considering how big she's gotten, so more power to her.

Cover should tell their talent to lower their expectation unless they're on suisei or azki's level

>>107591881
>azki
You mean Marine?

>>107564280
>Gaslit by everyone around her
Oh, so you mean like 80% of the talent.

>>107563739
>>107563837
Where is this mental breakdown, other than in your memories.

>>107588730
This isn't remotely true you are essentially denying an entire industry exists

>>107592633
NTA but I heard something similar from doki and mint's concert.
They ended up making a fuckton because of how well the merch sold. (Everything on site was gone, and they had to open up an online store just to deal with the demand.)

Hell, I remember Nijisanji even said something similar with Nijifes about how they're usually in the red from the concert itself, the merch and other on-site sales is where the money was.

>>107567711
If that really were the case, then they'd have killed the Stars branch entirely and they'd have long since fired / refused to renew the contracts of people who have been there for years without reaching the 1M club. Hell, the ID people would most likely be culled too as the donations that come in for ID are a lot lower than the other branches and also the ID currency is extremely low value. 1 yen is 106 IDR.

>>107592696
Isn't that also true even in regular concerts. It's not that surprising

>>107575624
>0.1views vs 5views
>rent free
>no brainer/deserved
>Graduation/Termination Holo
:C
>Graduation/Termination Niji
:D

>>107592696
concerts themselves being loss leader to merch is a well-known fact. even idol simulator games like shine post models it so that you lose money from the concert but go green from the goods sales.

>>107577728
Watame was already passionate about music before Hololive, but she got little attention doing it despite trying about 10 years.

>>107565453
That's one thing I liked about Gura. She never cared about numbers while Mori and Kiara were obsessed with them and still are.

Lui has a nice voice, but it needs "darker" songs, more jazzy or rocky than things like Holohawk

She's literally getting harassed and mocked on twitterjp day by day lately, her tweet is just not only about the album numbers fuckup

>>107595207
Should be easy to provide some supporting examples of this then anonchama

>>107595499
Don't worry, i'm not a number faggot i can provide sources
https://x.com/Sibasr/status/1998376250726035819
https://x.com/TprzpdY3NvAkEBq/status/1997199295221752094
and these are just some of them ignoring all the code geass/srwdd related

>>107595879
why is she being flamed for the CG collab?

>>107596098
jp twatter do be kinda nasty desu

>>107576370
Migo sold more than Marine actually. Marine's album sales are pissweak when compared to the amount of views she gets on her MVs. I say "pissweak in comparison" but she's still selling more than mid-high tier seiyuus' albums so it's still good in the end.
>>107564706
Album sales wise, Lui is probably currently the lowest recorded at only 2.7k on the album's first week. Normally all holos can sell 10k first week which should've already made up for the music creation cost etc excluding MV.
>>107568269
>>107564786
>Mori's last album debuted on the worldwide sales charts at #9
>Mio reached oricon number 1 in sales
Debut ranking will always depend on what other albums are released on the same week, and Mio was very lucky to be the first holo oricon album #1 ranker during a week with comparatively weaker releases. Mori getting #9 doesn't really mean she's weak or the rest of the western music scene being weak, you'll have to check their actual sales numbers first.

>>107596098
fujoshi entered the frail first when they saw her avatar next to lelouch, and the v-anti picked up after with a hate train that it's being going on for a month

>>107591660
>>her "rap" couldn't make it in the states
>Has charted in the US is one of the only vtuber to have actually a sell-out Sololive in the US
You seem mentally disabled so I'll explain this slowly
A musician who interested Jrap goes to Japan because the "J" in "Jrap" stands for "Japanese" meaning the Jrap scene is located in japan, not the US
Same way a musician who wants to be a Tibetan throat singer would go to Tibetan or if a musician who wanted to make Reggae music would go to Jamaica

>>107579872
>cici
you are not very attentive then

>>107594635
>That's one thing I liked about Gura. She never cared about numbers
>Mori and Kiara were obsessed with them and still are.
She never cared about anything outside of making sure her fans kept paying their monthly membership fee
Which is why she's out of the company still running the same scam, while Mori and Kiara have headlined their own concerts

>>107597455
>Kiara have headlined their own concerts
Kiara never headlined their own concert, she is co-headlining with Ina.

>>107595879
By this point I'm only thankful that Xitter is not real life

>>107597192
>fujoshi entered the frail first when they saw her avatar next to lelouch

bruh, how old are the women simping for lelouch, they must be like 40, why do they care there's a a hag pretending to be anime woman next to him

>>107594635
>That's one thing I liked about Gura. She never cared about numbers while Mori and Kiara were obsessed with them and still are.
>Gura doesn't care about numbers, therefore she barely streams, doesn't try to accomplish anything and eventually graduates
>Mori/Kiara care about numbers, actually stream and are always trying to do new things/making new content/proud of their accomplishments and yet still have the ambition to achieve more
Have you ever considered that maybe the problem is that you value the wrong things in a person? Ambition is not only admirable, but absolutely a required necessity for being a public figure, especially for being a streamer/content creator.

Another holo anti thread trying to disguise itself as news, every single time...

>>107598556
some people aren't into the whole "support an idol" thing and feeling partially responsible for someone's success, they just want a safe-space where a cute and funny woman panders to them and doesn't do or say anything threatening
Saba fulfils that role, even in her absence

to compare it to less insular stuff, the former is like supporting a sports team, the latter like visiting a massage parlor or escort - they address different needs altogether

>>107563420
>Lui went menhera
Many such cases. Predictable!

>>107595879
am i deaf lol
her voice acting isn't even that bad in the clip

>>107563420
New updates
https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1999471983743107520
https://x.com/takanelui/status/1999473403896693212

>>107600093
Lui going on a "health break"

>>107600168
tfw you realize that "health break" means "mental health break" and then you remember how many health breaks there have been

>>107592799
>thinly veiled stars hate
I'll humor you:
> then they'd have killed the Stars branch entirely
Stars does fine for their metrics, they have support in what they do. If you release an album, as a hololive member, your metrics are expected to be much. In seafag speak, this means:
>Stars: lower numbers is already assumed
>Live: Higher numbers are expected.
You do not see Stars members constantly crashing out and leaving over management and backend changes, you see more problems from faggot unicorns that they have to speak up.
>the ID people would most likely be culled
ID have famously OPENLY talked about not getting company support which is why their concert and such is such a big deal as they are finally getting things.

so, uh, what are the real numbers then

>>107600614
the press release implies they are higher than whatever was reported

>>107563880
No. Too nasally

So what did she actually say?

>>107600930
i'm afraid she said the n-word

>>107600087
>>her voice acting isn't even that bad in the clip
it aint bad, but i'd wouldn't call it good either

File: Haha senshinkoku ↑ Takane(...).webm (3.12 MB, 1280x720)

3.12 MB WEBM

>>107600930

>>107563880
>best
She's mid-tier on her best day and whoever does her music and lyrics should be praised for being able to make her voice somewhat tolerable

>>107567308
You numberinos always claim this but never show evidence, and when you do you actually notice that the girl numbers didn't decrease at all and stayed the same or that the girl numbers decreased way before she did any male collab.

>>107563854
grim

>>107599132
Obviously different niches exist, but what I'm saying is that fundamentally the personality of a person who "doesn't care" about their numbers, when they're a fucking streamer, something that by definition relies on numbers, is not going to actually fulfil their role adequately in the long run.
Of course the argument that Gura never cared about numbers is obviously flawed, you don't even bother becoming a public figure (or say, apply to the most popular vtuber company) unless you actually do care numbers somewhere deep down, but in my personal opinion someone like her likes to reject that part of themself, possibly even pretend they're above it, even if accepting it would have only resulted in them thriving moreso.
You can call that last part schizo headcanon but I do somewhat believe it.

>>107571497
one time is more than enough! you can't restore broken hymen!(well technically you can but that's not the point!)

All she had to do was release good music.

>>107598795
This

>>107600093
>https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1999471983743107520

Not a single apology to Lui herself, disgusting

Lui didn't take a break, she got suspended.
Cover is looking for a reason to terminate her for disappointing performances, to make an example out of her to push the other members to overwork themselves to death.

kind of surprised at the amount of JPs shitting on her and vtubers for this

>>107604431
>>107596127

>>107601090
Retard

>>107600093
Am I missing something? Did this little mishap really warrant a break?

>>107605202
If it's something like a couple of extra days to rest and clear your head then why not. If it's more than that — it depends.

>>107604179
rude

>>107563420
>official numberfagging about relative placement charts
Is cover okay? Are holowhores okay?
Are holofags okay?

>>107563420

>>107605202
>Did this little mishap really warrant a break?
Not really but
>Threw out her back
>Getting harassed by schizo over her Code Geass collab
>Album being publicly misreported as a flop for several days
You could how all this happen within 2~ weeks would make you wanna detox for little bit

Why are jops so toxic
Leave the girls alone

>>107563420
This is good. It's a bit of a humiliation ritual, but they were really willing to help her out and make a statement for her.

>>107611471
What happened with Code Geas?

>>107563420
Imagine your company abusing you to get this album completed only for it to crash and burn. They couldn't double down on her because of her freak out or else they would have told her off for poor performance.

>>107613545
well Hololive talents are outnumbered by their middle management who do exactly ???? every day. They have a tendency to treat workers like shit while they themselves treat it as a 8/5 role.

>>107565095
>That's enough to make someone graduate.
I really fucking hope so.

>>107563420
So will the next ranking reflect the actual amount Lui did sell? Not that it matters anyway...

>>107567123
Suisei collabs with males and the only vtubers who sell more albums than her are males themselves, so if anything collabing with males should be a buff here.

>>107611471
yeah i'd be mad