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vtubing tony khan

>kSon
KWAB-bed by vshojo
Legit crashed out over it, gets extra KWAB points for the humiliation ritual.
>Mint
mega giga KWAB-bed by vshojo
arguably recovered well, though
>Ironmouse
managed to piss off every stream-watcher demographic simultaneously in the span of a week
queen of vtubing image completely shattered
criticism immunity shield shattered
probably won't affect her numbers though
>Nimi
little lore drop
unpersoned by dooby
fanbase full of legit unironic cuckolds
intentionally plays into cuckshit
declining numbers, has to viewbot to cope
>Saba
potentially megaKWABbed by Elon's doxx, but it depends entirely on her reaction.
If she stays in hiding until the new year i think it qualifies as a megaKWAB. if she returns and acts like nothing happened then it's a nothingburger.
>Sinder
KWABOTY frontrunner for the first half of the year but she recovered and ultimately nobody remembers the drama, shylily trying to hide her viewbotting under the drama momentum also failed.
>Zen
Crashed out over getting wokescolded. Not a big KWAB imo, didn't affect much

>>107638790
>mint
>started her own idol group
>had her own 3d live
>asked to guest star for a hololive 3d live
>asked to guest star for a phase 3d live
it think she crushed it in the 2nd half of the year

>>107638403
Unicorns and tirbal fags
The amount of L's they took this year was unfathomable

Still Mouse

>>107638790
neck yourself nijibug retard

>>107638403
Poll https://strawpoll.com/LVyK2Ro0KZ0

>>107638507
lol based

>>107639128
>no ironmouse
this is why you don't make retarded polls 1 month before the year ends

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>>107638790
>if she returns

>>107638790
>sinder
>recovered
lol
nijiseethe

>>107638403
Ironlung

I'm voting for Cover management

>>107638790
Quality post.

>>107638403
Hard choice between kson and ironmouse
kson in the short-term, because she had such a dragged-out breakdown about Vshojo and how they owed her hundreds of thousands of dollars.
ironmouse in the long-term, because we're now starting to see how people regard her without the paid Vshojo shills defending her. With Vshojo out of the picture, we're going to see less of her being pushed as the "face of english vtubing", less of her being chosen in streamer events, award shows, hell even convention invites.

>had to self destruct the company she founded
>loses vtuber of the year to a peanut
>vtuber fans finally get fed up with her trying to invite normies into vtubing
>vtubers finally get wise to the fact she never does anything to help vtubing; only wants to help herself
>the normies reject her, humiliate her, and get fed up with her being a fraud
>both sides dislike her now which is soul crushing for a person who only wants to be liked
Ironmouse your 2025 vtuber KWABOTY

>>107638403
>>107638790
1st place ironmouse and kson
2nd place Saba
3rd for shondo

when you realize that 90% of the mouse seething across 10 different catalog threads is one guy who also seethes about her on twitter day it's actually really funny

1. mouse
>you already know
2. filian
>got tricked into doing russian propaganda streams
>lost her sponsorship with weplay studios
>lost her sponsorship with mythic
>lost the vtuber awards as a result
3. shondo
>lost her mom (f)
>lost her bff to phase connect after she spent all year saying phase is evil
>had to check herself into a hospital due to medical episode because of m*les

vshojocucks doing damage control for free

>>107639500
>breakdown
retarded bug thumbnailwatcher
end your pathetic life

>>107639912
how did she get tricked i thought she's just a legit russia simp

Voting Keighley for having Highguard as the final slot of the show instead of something like Divinity or the KOTOR successor.

>>107638904
Let's see how that idol group does in the next 6 months before we declare it a win.

>>107638403
Still Mousey

>>107640355
not saying it is a win, but it is a positive. she has done a lot in the last 6 months to take herself out of KWABOTY contention she has no business even being mentioned she landed on her feet

>>107640268
Rather amazing that they hyped up the statue for weeks and didn't have it build up for the finale. Divinity is worth it.

>>107638403
Connor

>>107640391
Well that's what I'm trying to get at. You can land on your feet but that means a lot less if you jumped straight into a hole of shit with no way to climb back out, even if the hole itself looks shiny and new at first. I shudder to think what her own books look like to get into this venture.

>>107638790
It has been a bad year for vtubing.

>>107640627
You're overthinking how much this is costing her.

>>107638403
Kson is the only true candidate for KWABOTY for having the Cons: Nothing image

>>107640627
she jumped from a burning building of vshojo and landed one foot in covers studio with kiara and the other foot in phase's studio with lia

the Sinder drama suffers from the same thing any quality movie releasing in March would suffer from. It doesn't matter if it was the rightful winner if everyone forgot about by the time awards season comes around.

>>107641136
learn japanese, retarded /#/chimp
also kill yourself afterwards

>>107638790
>And the winner is... Silksong. See, you did win something.

>>107638403
/vt/ for not having survived the downtime and subsequently turning into /pol/ territory

>>107641324
If she had disappeared from history you'd be right: an apocalyptic, career ending yab denied its rightful gold medal because more recent stuff displaced it from people's memory. However, her shameless return to streaming and her return super docky managing to bloody Shilily's nose ultimately diminishes her worth as KWABOTY.

>>107638403
>Indies
Napling's Graduation -Get our your credit card -LLD pipeline
Mint hiding her vshojo employment to keep leeching off Holo, Brave, Phase - gets found out when all of vhsojo kwabs
Saba having to un-cunny her model and intro for twitter troons
Ironmouse stealing 500k from "charity"
>Hololive
Completley fucking up Mumeis graduation, the one talent who actually gave a shit and didn't reincarnate two weeks later
Graduation bonanza
Inserting a killer into Holoearth for some reason
>NijisanjiEN
kwab
>Phase
None Sakanas checks cash for now
>Other corpos
who cares
>/vt/
Losing a big chunk of users because jannies are so bad every alternative is better
Site being down for Guras graduation
/uuu/ moving to the Towa

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>>107638403
>And the KWABOTY goes to...
/vt/ and it's mods/jannys for being so SHIT that they managed to drive off the fastest general and ostensibly the reason why this board exist in the first place, to an entirely different site

>>107640268
>KOTOR successor
If we were still in the golden age of Star Wars vidya, maybe. Nowadays, the best you can expect from modern Star Wars is boring mediocrity.

ChaChaChilla
>hospitalised due to people being mean to her on the internet
Shondo
>hospitalised due to people being mean to her on the internet
Sinder
>reputation down the gutter
Kson
>Cons: None
Finana
>15k in debt and begging for money on thrones
Nimi
>slowly losing steam after LLD, though might survive due to dedicated cuck audience
Ironlung
>making enemies of everyone
I think it's a close match between Kson and Lung, will have to see how current drama develops further

>>107643952
the biggest KWABs are the cowards who left if you really think about it

>>107644625
>Nimi
>>slowly losing steam
I don't watch her stuff very often, but she seems to be trucking along alright, even without the numerical boost of a corporate backer. Definitely still doing better than the average working joe.

>>107638790
>Nimi
retard

>>107643743
>>107644625
retards

>>107645447
great counterargument there

>>107644625
hang yourself retarded /#/chimp

>>107646059
uh oh melty

>>107646102
i urge you retarded /#/jeets to use yandex image translator on that "cons none" image you love to spam so much
you will see why japanese people do not post it and only your monkey kind does

>>107646330
there you go again assuming I hang around the numbernigger shithole, that image, like all of their other shitposts have been spammed here for weeks when vshojo burned down, I don't know what it actually was and I don't care, the reason I nominated Kson for the KWABOTY award is her crying on stream because she was ashamed over shilling vshojo, it's really not that deep you nigger ape

>>107638790
>arguably recovered well
Her new idol group is an objective failure and the most she gets and just being a guest to more successful people's shows

>>107646534
you are a undeniably a /#/nigger no matter how much you try to deny it
now rope you fucking stinky monkey

>>107646534
Uh oh numbermonkey melty

>>107646623
>nuh uh, you are
shut the fuck up retard
>>107646642
>I'll now repeat what you said back at you
got me good

>>107646687
>yes i say the exact same things as /#/monkeys and reference their retarded monkey memes and hate the same people they do for the same retarded made up monkey reasons BUT IM NOT
ok

>>107646785
that meme is the thing most people recall about vshojo drama regarding Kson, I could have typed out a whole paragraph about it, OR I could type two words and everyone would know what I'm referencing, as I said, it's not that deep buddy

>>107646596
More successful than any non-Hololive idol group, and in almost every show she's invited to she's the biggest guest / main attraction

>>107646909
>most people
*most people in /#/
people outside of /#/ do not reference that /#/ meme based on a screenshot posted in /#/ by a /#/fag hatewatching her stream and deliberately misrepresenting it to the rest of the /#/monkeys who are unable to read japanese or be bothered to watch the stream or read the transcript to find out what she actually said
you are a /#/monkey and you should kill yourself immediately as that would improve the world by a lot

>>107638790
qrd on saba?

>>107647029
most people on catalog* that's where people find out about ongoing drama, that's all the catalog is good for, that's all /vt/ is after the exodus, you absolute sperg
I doubt numberniggers know or remember anything about literal whos like chacha or keep up with finana

>>107646970
Hololive does not have the most successful idol group by about a mile and it's especially not in HoloEN. The main attraction in everything she's a guest at is the main star, not her

>>107647272
shut the fuck up subhuman troglodyte
i told you to kill yourself, so do it

>>107647322
>waaaah waaaah
crying about some boogeyman because people remember embarrassing things about his washed oshi lmao, turn off your computer if some random anon makes you seethe this much

>>107647403
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I DON'T LIKE YOU TALKING ABOUT THINGS I DON'T LIKE WAAAAAAAAAAAAH KILL YOURSELF WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
do you not realise how you're embarrassing yourself

>>107647448
>NOOOO SAAAR IM NOT A /#/FAG JUST IGNORE ALL MY /#/TURD MEMES AND TALKING POINTS STOP NOTICING IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT
why is it so hard to admit it?

>>107638790
Holodrone completely omitted all the graduations of this year.
Including several top Japanese talents and every relevant HoloEN

>>107647498
>admit my schizo delusions about you, it's not that hard
you can fuck right off, also
>enters a shitty catalog thread where the main objective is to shit on chuubas who had shit backfire on them
>gets mad when people are shitting on his oshi who had perhaps the biggest KWAB moment of the past year
if it's too much to handle, either leave or kill yourself

>>107647652
your overactive indonesian imagination is not a "KWAB moment"

>>107647554
NIJISEETHE

>>107647685
>joins a shitty ENshart company everyone treated like a joke
>praises it for "talent freedom"
>talks shit about nijiniggers only getting 2%
>all while getting no money for however many months it was
>leaves the burning wreckage while crying about how dumb and gullible she was and says that she deserves it if people laugh at her
>not KWAB

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>>107647312
In terms of western jp-idol styled groups (vtuber or not), yes Hololive is the most successful, with Densetsu being 2nd.
And who was the main star of FantomeThief? Who was the main star of Fantastic Reality? Hell, who was the main star of Phase Connect's NYC concert?

>>107647869
>talks shit about nijiniggers only getting 2%
>all while getting no money for however many months it was
this might be hard for your thirdie brain to grasp but there's more than a year gap between those events

>>107638790
Does it even matter to Saba? She is rich and is just chilling around. Doubt she gives a fuck about the Twitter shit

>>107648092
stop projecting your jungle mystery meat inferiority onto me, jeet and it's more about her hypocrisy of being critical of niji for not paying their organs and then proceeding to sit there quietly, not even vagueposting about vshojo issues as paychecks don't arrive for yet another month

>>107648301
>being critical of niji for not paying their organs
she was critical of the 2% merch split
she had a much better merch split than 2% (which vshojo stopped delivering on over a year after she criticized niji)
>proceeding to sit there quietly
NDAs exist
>as paychecks don't arrive for yet another month
she was paid quarterly, not monthly
you would know this if you actually watched the relevant streams or clips and weren't a retarded third world /#/brown threadreader

in summary: kill yourself /#/jeet

>>107648498
>you would know this if you actually watched the relevant streams or clips
I already told you that this thread is all about drama that happened the past year you retarded mongoloid. I'm not her fan, I don't watch her, the only times I hear about her is when she gets into some retarded drama and retarded drama is what I brought up in the first place.
in summary: I'm sorry that seeing people talk about your oshi's retarded drama in the retarded drama hurts you so, but please, do kill yourself you vantablack nigger ape

>>107648010
>Western JP idol styled groups (vtuber or not)
Might as well say Hololive isn't really western to try propping Mint up some more. Nobody has heard of her idol group and they aren't particularly idol like either. Every big western boy/girl band demolish her

>who was the main star of FantomeThief?
Dooby
>Who was the main star of Fantastic Reality?
IronMouse
>who was the main star of Phase Connect's NYC concert?
Pippa and Lia

>>107648704
in the retarded drama thread*

>>107648498
>she was critical of the 2% merch split
She never said a word about it
>she had a much better merch split than 2%
She said she never got paid when she was in Vshojo
>NDAs exist
She had an NDA with Niji too
>She was paid quarterly
She wasn't paid at all

>>107648092
>but there's more than a year gap between those events
NTA but that's kinda irrelevant
Do realize how embarrassing it looks for her to go from clowning other corpos about their percentage cuts being shit in comparison to VSJ's, only for it to come to light that she (and basically ever other member) weren't getting paid for fucking MONTHS?
I know both her being babby's first ENtuber and the china shit has programmed you and your ilk to kiss her ass simply just for existing, but OBJECTIVELY she looks like a massive jackass for this.
What's worse is that she never made a stink about this either, meaning if Mouse never dropped her google doc and accelerated Vshojo's implosion, Kson would likely still be working under Gunrun for zero dollars and zero cents
That's KWABOTY worthty lol

>>107648704
>goes on catalog and wholeheartedly believes literally everything he reads
>never actually checks any relevant primary sources like tweets or clips or streams to see if what he read is correct
>spews out the retarded things he read earlier
>pisses his pants when someone says he's wrong
>it's drama bro it's just drama i don't actually watch vtubers!!!
does drama mean fanfiction in indonesia?

>>107648817
she was quitting like 2 weeks later
the latest leak has her missing from the summer 2025 merch lineup

>>107638790
qrd on the zentranny crashout?

>>107638790
>nimi is a bitch for mentioning she's getting married instead of lying
>self imagined cuck fanfics and # deflection
I smell someone who's mindbroken

>>107649111
>>goes on catalog and wholeheartedly believes literally everything he reads
>>never actually checks any relevant primary sources like tweets or clips or streams to see if what he read is correct
headcanon, kson not getting paid for months was talked about on her "le epic JP manager own" stream where she quit vshojo midstream, she then later cried about being ashamed of being too gullible, all are moments I watched on stream
>pisses his pants
the only one pissing himself and crying is you, Pablo, I mentioned 7 vtubers who had KWAB moments this past year and your precious oshi being among them was enough to send you into a complete meltdown, look at how long this reply chain is all because I said two words about her
>it's just drama bro
care to look at the OP? it's a fucking KWABOTY awards thread, you ape
>fanfic
everything mentioned is on her streams, maybe you don't actually watch her, but spend all day here, waiting to jump in to defend her washed ass

>>107649308
>made a new version of a really old military uniform model
>twittertrannies said it's a nazi unform
>zen crashed out calling them woke
>then backpedaled and said he'll change the model, since he's a far-left faggot himself and wants their approval
>but rightwing chuds and dramagrifters were all jumping into the drama to defend zen and bullied the twittertrannies so hard they all bent the knee and "apologized"
i dont know if he'll still change the model but nothingburger overall

>>107639912
>got tricked into doing Russian propaganda streams
Quick rundown?

>>107648010
you are taking unnecessary liberties. have densetsu.exe even done anything yet besides be the pre-show for ironnouse and kuro k9?

>>107650113
can't believe retards make themselves pretend to care about muh nazi shit still, and I have a feeling all the "rightwing chuds" are probably white-larping browns

>>107650416
They've only been around for like 2 weeks (they weren't a formal group yet back at ironmouse's concert), and even then they're the 2nd biggest western jp-idol-styled group.

>>107650756
they havent even done anything.....

also who is the first?

>>107650800
they are the 2nd biggest western etc etc in the same way that Phase Connect are the 2nd biggest western agency

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Mint's idol group.

>>107650800
>they havent even done anything.....
They've released a group orisong and have done a couple group collabs, and even with just that they're already the 2nd biggest. Sorry, were you expecting them to dump a ton of money right out of the gate on 3D concerts, albums, and adverts? Doing that is how a group becomes a failure.
>also who is the first?
HoloEN, duh

>>107650917
>HoloEN
if they are an idol group, then so is Phase Connect, Chroma, V4 etc they are all more successful than Densetsu because they have actually run venue shows multiple times over across the world

>>107650885
>premiere of an MV for a song that was shown off a week prior
>at dinner time on Thanksgiving day in the US
>with no raids into it
They chose a dumb time to premiere it, but even then it's still doing better than other western jp-idol-styled groups sans Hololive

such a strange argument and pointless. there are certain girls in EN that are pioneering 3d vtuber idol stuff outside of hololive and are pushing for it for themselves or their corpos and have gotten results
mint is one, lia another, mariya another, kawaii eventhough they were just too early the western vtuber audience was not ready for it when they tried

pomu tried while in niji but they did not listen. oh well for them they still havent run an idol show in america.

>>107650971
Phase Connect and V4 had to invite outsiders (hell, even Mint herself) in order to move tickets for their shows.

>>107638790
Suck off a shotgun to completion, phasenigger.

>>107651148
the shows were happening regardless of her being there.
phase and brave en have run many 3d concerts on main stages all over

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>>107651081
>42k views after 2 weeks
Yea its doing great.

>>107651148
that sure seems nice of them to include an outsider to their company concerts.

>>107638790
>>kSon
>Legit crashed out over it, gets extra KWAB points for the humiliation ritual.
qrd?

>>107647060
Quietly moved to europe years ago wihle larping as american and continuing to stream at US friendly timezones. She had minor slipups before but nothing major that couldn't be handwaved as oddities or vpn but last month X did a stealth update that shows everyone's country of residence and she was exposed.

>>107651621
They include outsiders because they know they need them in order to sell tickets.

>>107652310
Phase has run like 6 3d concerts. 1 of them had Mint.

>>107640193
>>107650323
She didn't get tricked. She's Russian herself and collabed with Russians to better understand her heritage, and that was viewed as an attack on Ukraine because the awards people are based in Ukraine.

>>107643952
TRVTH NVKE
I hope RapedApe kills himself.

>>107651081
Ok, but what about regular western music groups or regular JP idols?

>>107652497
And how many of them were ticketed events. I'm not talking about free concerts that were part of conventions, but ones that required people to purchase a concert ticket

>>107638994
rent free. no one even mentioned them, maybe you should stop thinking of Milord 24/7 you faggot

>>107654010
iirc phase changed how they did concert business this year. with the exception of offkai, they sold the rights to each concert to the conventions they were at, so they were paid for the concerts up front this year

>>107654187
The NYC concert flopped that hard?

>>107654226
no, iirc they just didn't get any of the profits of it because they made a deal with SPWN that if they covered the expenses of the concert and produced it, then they got any of the profit from the tickets and streaming tickets.

>>107648714
>who was the main star of FantomeThief?
>Dooby
lol

>>107654390
they had to add Dooby because tickets were moving slowly

>>107653960
>but what about regular western music groups
There's plenty of literal who groups who only get a few hundred views on their music
>regular JP idols?
funnily enough, many of the JP idols Mint is a fan of are significantly smaller than her

>>107643743
>>Phase
>None
trying to hide the clara shitshow, eh?

>>107648213
no way of knowing how well she handles her shit internally

>>107656404
nobody gives a fuck about Clara, bro.
Anya being shelved for 2 months and counting is a bigger story. Or how Hina is on her 2nd 6-month hiatus and is about to miss anniversary again

>>107654490
>There's plenty of literal who groups who only get a few hundred views
And there's plenty more getting thousands more than Mint
>many of the JP idols Mint is a fan of are significantly smaller than her
Cope

>>107656501
>Cope
I accept your concession :)

>>107656472
You fags pretend you're relevant until one of your whores does something stupid and then you're irrelevant again. KYS

>>107656674
genuinely nobody cares about Clara except doxxniggers who just want to make her life miserable. she is not a featured part of the company's brand why would people care?

if this were baseball, it is like saying you care about the opinions of a random relief pitcher. that is what she is to phase connect,

>>107651794
She admitted she fucked up pushing Vshojo so hard, because she appears to have legit fallen for it.
Personally owning up to your mistakes is... le bad? You decide.

>>107639912
filian bounced back though

>>107651148
and how many concerts has Mint done that she hasn't had to tag along and share? A big fuckin 0 (ZERO).

her group has not done anything yet. She has to run with other groups in order to do concerts and that is a fact.

>>107657862
>and how many concerts has Mint done that she hasn't had to tag along and share? A big fuckin 0 (ZERO).
That applies to all EN vtubers sans Mori (thanks in part to her UMJ contract)
>her group has not done anything yet
Well no duh, they've only been around for 2 weeks. No EN vtuber group has gone from debut to multiple 3D venue concerts in 2 weeks. You're setting unrealistic expectations that no other group (including HoloEN) has ever accomplished.

>>107658116
>You're setting unrealistic expectations
Im not. I am using the anons expectations declaring them "the number 2 idol group" behind HoloEN.
They are 5th at best by default. HoloEN is in their own league. Then you have Phase. Then you have V4 and ChromaShift.

densetsu fags are getting uppity. gonna be funny when they bend the knee to phase and they get a gig at phase con

>>107640268
Even Megaman would've been better but they didn't do it. It brought the show which had some good reveals from a 7/10 to 3/10

>>107658912
>phase needing to invite outsiders in order to sell tickets
hey a repeat of ANYC

>>107659122
they are a small corpo. if they are gonna run their own con, they will be calling on as many company friends as possible

>>107654175
>rent free
So he was right.

>>107658236
phase has run 2 3d idol concerts at 2 venues on 2 continents in a 6 day period. mint's group has a ways to go in 2026

>>107641136
/thread

>>107656785
Yeah, you need to take out clara's dick out your mouth.

>>107638904
She also played through droods which was based

Who's gonna have the next kwab moment?

>>107638790
>Kson and IM got exposed
Always knew they were scum the moment I watched just 1 stream.

>>107638403
Kson or ironmouse
Kson did own up to her KWAB tho, so the award goes to ironmouse

>>107638403
Mouse is 100% the winner of KWABOTY.

>>107662400
They're Co-winners.

Fucking wild mintfags trying to stroll past being signed to vshojo the whole year

>>107649457
I smell a cuck

>>107643952
gotta be this one folks

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4chan staff getting EXPOSED during spring's site hacking, ultimately loosing user. Don't you get it? We a re the ultimate KWABBERS here!

I've Played These Games Before!

>>107663770
Mint will never join Phase and you can cope and seethe about it.

>>107664096
projecting retard

still mouse

>>107638790
which now-unemployed vshojo staff wrote this lmao

>>107663770
This. Imagine being lied to for a year.

I still think there’s a strong case to be made for Shondo saying Micheal when she made it clear her cat was not named Micheal.

>mint
>Kson
>Mousey
Just give the goddamn award to vshojo.. oh wait vshojo is gone. Kwabbbbbbbbbbb

KitsuneroVT easily wins it

>>107668674
Literally who?

>>107638790
ALL IN ON MOUSEY

>>107638466
In a cage

>>107638790
seems like a third way draw between ironmouse nimi and swaba

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the biggest KWABOTY award should go to Nyana Banyana. Rarely do we see a fall from grace this significant.

Anny is the runner up

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>>107638403
Pekora for killing what little was left of kojumbo's career LMFAO

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/vt/ and it's not even a contest.
Compared to Dec. '24, the board is functionally dead and it's all because of its own mistake, of which there are many. "are", not "were", because all of the board's issues aren't just still omnipresent, but even worse.
The 2nd place has to go to Vshojo. Everything else that happened this year was a nothingburger except for Sinder's situation, so I guess Sinder comes in at 3rd place.
After 2024, this is the second year in a row that this elusive trophy goes to some corpo. I'm excited to see which vtuber sweatshop will make it next year!

>>107672299
Dodging the cuck connect bullet is hardly a "KWAB"

Holonigs love to shit on Nimi while pretending Korone isn't preggers and hiding it.

>>107663770
>>107667144
Nobody cares because this is normal for all vtubers who join a corpo

>>107663770
Pomucucks love being lied to

Still Phil

>>107653458
Why are Ukrainecels like that

>>107672742
it would still be fine if 4chan didnt get hacked for 2 weeks and let half the board go to their tower

>>107652217
Thanks for the summary. I had tried searching online and got absolutely nothing linking Saba and Musk. Though I don't see how Saba living in Europe is meaningfully any different from her living in Canada, literally the most nothing of all nothingburgers.

>>107673250
Most vtubers don't lie about being indie for a year when they're secretly not only a corpo talent but also an agent

>>107678100
It has managed to remain contained to this board (for the most part). It's sort of a grey area and too close to doxxfagging for people to talk about it anywhere else. As for why it’s meaningful, the more you dig into the rabbit hole, the more questions you’ll end up with. Most of it is just speculation and theories.

>>107678211
It was only a year because Vshojo kept on delaying it.
Justice signed with Hololive and continued being indies for 5 months before they graudated. Clio (Phase) was signed to Phase for 2 YEARS before finally debuting as an Invader.