>>107714178
Well, keep counting. You'll know soon enough

If Korone actually graduates on bad terms, not good things will happen to Cover employees.

you tried this yesterday, bro

>>107714223
>yesterday
More like still trying right now with the same thread >>107696899

>>107714322
That wasn't me. I didn't check the catalog before I made the thread.

Yes, I did understand that someone probably made one before me. Yes, I did post it anyway.

>>107714178
>long term business strategy
the investors do not care about that, they just want to see the money go up in the now.

>>107714178
And there you have it - as long as the holos continue to have integrity Cover can never become a black company.
Compare this to other corpos where the talents keep throwing each other under the bus and even publicly coaxed into attempting suicide multiple times.

Meanwhile the holos are all "We're All Friends - Friends Love EachOther" and "Don't you fucking dare disrespect the fans".

Good on korone for ensuring the stupid managers keep toeing the line. Hope she breaks a few of their knee caps the next time they try to pull shit shit.

>>107715492
>as long as the holos continue to have integrity Cover can never become a black company.
Well the cynical answer is that management could eventually fire all the talents that have integrity...

>>107715973
The theory is that if that were to happen, they would need to fire all of their talents, basically making them bankrupt and lose their money makers

>>107714178
BLACKLIVE SHOULD BE TERMINATED

>>107715492
Pretty much. Hololive hired good people, unlike Shittysanji and Vshitshow, and the results couldn't be more stark.

>>107714214
Would be funny to see how the tower reacts, since the whole reason it exists is because of redditors who couldn;'t take criticism of cover.

>>107715229
I remember as a kid thinking that investors were some like 140IQ giga brained job for people who were smart on a level beyond what i could even think to be.

Now I see it's basically just people with zero delayed gratification and will torch however many businesses they need to for a 1% increase on the graph.

>>107715492
>as long as the holos continue to have integrity Cover can never become a black company.
Haachama

>>107716454
yea broski spamming 24/7 about how a randomly selected girl totally hates kiara and how the fanbase should totally care is objective criticism

>>107716454
>the whole reason it exists is because of redditors who couldn;'t take criticism of cover.
The reason it exist is because the posters who actually like posting about Hololive/streams got tired of the mods allowing a single samefag sock puppet fanbase wars 100+ times a thread for 10-12 hours a day

Get those gift cards bro, have the happy christmas you deserve.

>>107716454
People on Tower criticize Cover all the time.

You are conflating dramapag schizoposts with criticism, because the former definitely gets jannie'd.

>>107716688
Nobody's disagreeing with you that Cover were wrong to ever hire her but what are they supposed to do now? Kill her? Like what the fuck do you want from them?

>>107714178
Korone has enough rep points within Hololive to do what she wants but what about the newer gens who basically can't refuse to management. I swear, they need to kick out the chink board members and staff.

>>107714178
>management tries some shady shit
>smack them down and demand honesty
Korone is so based

>>107717185
>Haachama exposes that Hololive is a black company and she immediately gets punished for it
>Holodrone thinks the issue was that they hired Haachama

It really feels like Cover would look dead if Korone were to graduate on bad terms.

>>107717322
>Haachama exposes that Hololive is a black company
Something that never happened.

>>107717659
Hololive not paying their talents for six months isn't black?

>>107717558
Huh? Who hurt you, anon?

>>107714178
Why is this a big deal?
People can cancel tickets, you know.

>>107718159
management is telling her to lie to the fans

>>107718159
>People can cancel tickets, you know.
It's even funnier when you realize you go to win a raffle just have to the opportunity to buy tickets in the first place
Very much a nothing burger

>2024-2025 saw multiple graduations
>revenue still goes up
what lesson

>>107718159
True, but people will book hotels, transportation, etc which might not be refundable. I understand management's logic of questioning if she wouldn't rather wait to see if she cannot make fes. From her phrasing it sounds as if she was just telling a story, and felt she herself overreacted a bit to their question. I think her mistake was bringing this up this exchange on stream because it isn't necessarily bad and most likely would get misinterpreted.

>>107719002
It mostly affects foreigners (a small fraction of the attendees) since it requires more planning.

>>107716454
anti pretending they are just criticizing cover
while screaming how cover poisoning korone's mother
DYRBI

>>107714178
talent ask how to give news not attending fes
manager give how to give news
talent doesn't want that way and corpo abide
BLACK CORPO

>>107719109
Not really. Not everyone who attends is directly in Tokyo and unemployed. Japs still make plans to travel into the city and have to schedule time off work. It's a major inconvenience to fans who might've purchased a ticket just for you. I would say it's still not super relevant just based on holofans probably being okay with attending fes regardless of Korone appearing. However I cannot doubt Korone cares deeply for her fans far and wide and wouldn't want to subject them to a last minute bailout. Even if it's just her tiny fraction of foreign fans who manage to win a ticket and only wanted to see her.
All in all, I have doubts management asked her to lie about anything. I feel this tweet was written poorly and on top of that it's being translated by grok which skews the language as well.

>>107716454
it exists because of seaturds like you actually, same as 8

>>107717892
>that hachama stream brought back again
seven hour of unmedicated menheraing of her family, hospital, and australia being shit
but what I only believe from her is cover not paying for six month
ANTI

>>107719385
NTA, but she mentioned the pay issue about a week earlier.

>>107718159
low iq take
just having the ticket already purchased is an incentive on its own

>>107719217
They didn't tell her to lie about shit even in the shitposts. She herself admits there's no guarantee she won't be available for Fes and she's already promised she will be there in certain aspects, she's just assuming there's a chance she won't participate as a performer and being overly cautious while management suggested she be optimistic about it instead. The truth is, if she went with what they said, she would have likely done it rather than pull out last minute because it's going to turn out she could have handled it anyway. Like honestly, it's baffling that we are even pretending this is an issue, the performances are prerecorded (that's why her and Haato are in New Year's). If she was willing to settle for a milder performance without any crazy choreography to practice, she could just find a day in the next few months to record it.

>>107717322
If you actually subscribe to the beliefs of the antis who support Haachama that requies you literally believe one of the evil things they did was hire her when she was underage and put her through situations she was too young and mentally unstable to handle. Which is a fair enough criticism, but then what the fuck's the solution if not to force her to get help. If she doesn't need help and is perfectly fine the way she is now, then Cover did nothing wrong and she lied about her problems. It can't work both ways.

>>107716454
This really triggered them

if fans were to ask Korone in the leadup how they hoped to see her at Fes then she'd have to either awkwardly lie or more likely just admit at that point that she's not going
both of these will disappoint fans and invite ire for no real good reason(mostly towards cover, though in their retardation they managed to do so anyways)
i also think that if they released that announcement of Haachama's nonattendance then it might have given a false impression that Korone is locked in which she didn't want but couldve been otherway around and they bundled Haachama's announcement with hers so meh

>>107716454
>call tower a hugbox
>towerfags immediately begin losing their fucking minds

they're as bad as the environment here just in the total other end of the cancer spectrum and they fucking know it.

>>107719791
That's not it at all. She came up in Holo when it was a small-time experimental startup and over time it's become a corporate machine that doesn't fit her artsy unique personality. I'm sure the culture there has changed, most corpos are metrics and results-focused, there's also office culture and it won't fit everyone. There is no solution to this either, except you take the pressure off her and support her, which Hololive seems singularly bad at doing. Otherwise all those talents wouldn't have left, including Kanata. It's just a different company now anon. Everyone can see it, I'm sure you probably know this somewhere too.

>>107719915
It's obvious she's out taking care of her mother. It's pretty reasonable and there's no need to lie about it. Bringing up her conversation with management only accomplished giving fuel to antis.

>>107720102
Wait, so now you're just happy to discard Haachama as a human being and you're going to pretend she's Jane Everywoman. Why is it that the only way you can come up with criticism is by eliminating anything specific about an individual girl and instead painting a narrative that describes none of them. The executives at Cover can be gangraping the mothers of all the talents on a regular basis but if that's not actually why any Holomem has issues with the company, then it's not relevant to why they are having issues and may end up leaving.

>>107714178
>>107720079
Niijipagpag how is Victoria father doing?
Oh, he's already dead, but Anykuro told her not to say that to ruin the Niji vibe? What a shame.

>>107714178
>Twisted what Korone actually said
>Nu-/vt/ is so filled with EOPs that many will actually buy it anyway
Grim

>>107717322
How was she punished?

>>107719915
How is it their retardation? People can never make up their mind on Korone. A regular-ass company would've suspended or fired her for the shit she does but Cover doesn't care. You can call that retardation on their part but you'd be even angrier if they did punish her. They did literally nothing wrong in this scenario, Korone being careless in her typical way lead to more hate being piled on her co-workers but that's pretty unavoidable at this point given there are clowns that actually try to use Korone as an example of someone who wants to quit. These monkeys are way past the point of even pretending to engage with reality, anything you say or don't say will be twisted, misrepresented or openly contradicted for what they need you to have said.

>>107720502
There's reasons people stay indie or small label rather than being produced by big corporations, two of the biggest are artistic integrity and freedom from commercial pressure. Anyway, you completely misunderstood me, so it's all good. I won't waste my time.

>>107720542
Got thrown into a Japan sanitarium and her abusive family was informed

>>107720757
The biggest two reasons are either they couldn't make it, or they already made it and now want to be in retirement mode

>>107720797
Sorry, I should specify I'm talking about the music industry. An artist like Bjork or Portishead has a niche but it's not like Disney pop singers.

>>107719915
>if fans were to ask Korone in the leadup how they hoped to see her at Fes then she'd have to either awkwardly lie
This wouldn't have likely happened because she'd still be on hiatus in this scenario

>>107720532
embarrassing post

>>107720776
Visiting Chama in the JP asylum for surprise buttfucking uoh

>>107721037
Nijiseethe

>>107720757
You are just seething because he destroyed your argument.

>>107715973
They would have to be retarded, nijisaji management retarded. If that happens, then they really deserve to crash and burn.

>>107721096
>i only watch marvel
>i only eat mcdonalds
>i only listen to pop artists
you really want to go there anon?
>i only watch hololive
that's going to be you in few years.

>>107721257
>seethe

>>107721144
They hire ex-niji (fired) management, a lot.

>>107721311
Any examples?

>>107720602
cover were a bit thick in their initial response to Korone is all i was saying
judging by Korone's own words she was at the time a bit bothered by it talked to Koronesuki about it and then moved on since it's all resolved
antis or whoever/whatever will do what they will my focus is on Korone that's all
>>107721005
you're right i was just considering another update stream in between now and fes

>>107721507
(me) any by own words i do mean what she said on stream not these articles or whatever

>>107719385
Her family, mental wards, Hololive and Australia are all shit

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>>107714178
Fubuki would tell us if there was a problem with how Cover's management acted

>>107721311
If Niji fired them they must have been doing something right

>>107716454
>post complaining about holofans and cover
>multiple holofans immediately decide you are saying bad things about not just the vtubers, but specifically insulting their oshi
Classic

>>107721364
Linkedin, and vrc/FF community word of mouth , with a huge chunk of trust me senpoi

>>107722623
Funnily enough this was one of the argument for the hiring principle at least during my time. Along with the usual 'we want someone with the experience in the industry'

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>>107714178
.

>>107721726
Chana complaining to you about her ill-treatment in the jp mental hospital to the point of bitter tears over her confinement of many months, whilst you listen intently and brutally sodomize her at the same time uoh.
You may be the only sane human interaction she's had in ages and she'll be replaying your visits over and over in her head after you've gone.
May as well make the visits memorable

>>107722529
A chan already told us there is a problem with the current structure of Hololive management.

As many as it takes to satisfy the stockholders Anon

>>107721726
you forget the cops brudda

>>107724337
The stockholders are on your side you fucking retard. Jesus Christ, look in a mirror.

>>107716688
Nothing said during Haachama's mental breakdown exposes black company behavior. Nearly every single thing people refer to during that stream is intentionally taken out of context and amounts to nothing when viewed honestly. Pretty much the only statement she made that makes anyone look bad is the fact that many people mistakenly think she prefers to be alone and that's largely due to Haachama herself never developing proper social skills. She's had a shitty life and got into corporate shit way too young and because of that she doesn't have any life experiences which help her relate to and bond with others.

>>107724301
Umm well yes but not when she was Achan...when she was Achan she could no wrong and now she is just a lazy whore who doesn't know better. I love Korone when she agrees with Cover and think she is a lying whore when she says the mildest thing against cover. Also Fubuki hasn't send me an email yet about management being bad so everybody else is a lying whore The drones are retarded and the sea monkeys are jumping on the bed. We can't talk about shitty the situation is because of these 2 buffoon factions

>>107716454
>since the whole reason it exists is because of redditors who couldn;'t take criticism of cover.
It's less Cover and more Holos themselves. You can't say anything negative about anyone even if it's perfectly valid criticism written in a constructive way instead of just shitposting(which should rightfully be deleted.)

I've been banned there for harmless posts like "Golden Gen", commenting on shitty mic quality/settings or stating that I don't really enjoy certain streams. It's pretty clear that there are a few mods there with extreme biases as well and if they're on duty certain Holos are far more protected than others.

>>107726228
Imagine being such a complete cocksucker that when bad people leave a company, that has to be viewed as a negative. There can never be any nuance because the people who work at the company don't agree with your narrative so you have to use all people that no longer work there even if it includes varied groups of people who fundamentally are polar opposites in their positions.

>>107716454
>lie, straight up creat your own truth
>get corrected
>GOTTEM, TRIGGERED, HAHA HOLOFAGS

>>107716454
Holy seething replies they really can't take criticism.

>>107726214
>Nothing said during Haachama's mental breakdown exposes black company behavior
Nothing like overworking others, keeping people in debt, preferential treatment, extreme restrictions and not paying their talents, right?

>>107728580
Yes very good you played the dishonest out of context card. Good job proving my point.

>>107728618
What's out of context? Are you going to argue that everything is out of context because she's too menhera to tell the truth again?

>>107716606
Well yeah. It's also funny to find out how many investors have zero understanding of the product/popularity surrounding their investment works which is why corpos do so many braindead decisions

>>107714178
Why should Cover give a fuck about rulebreakers? If you can't follow simple guidelines then you don't deserve to be in the Holy Hololive Garden.

>>107714178
Dejavu thread

>>107727605
Anon, I'm sure you can spot obvious falseflags.

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>>107714178
>How many talents is Cover going to have to lose before they figure out that throwing your largest money makers under the bus is actually a horrible long term business strategy
saving face mentality

>>107714223
And he will keep trying until people believe it.

>>107715229
SCOTUS ruined everything in 1919. Ruling that companies must be held accountable to their shareholders set a horrible precedent for the rest of the world to follow. Companies should only be held accountable to their workers and customers. Without them, the business is nothing. It's not everyone else's fault that the investors made a bad investment. Maybe just don't suck at your job instead of begging for welfare to bail you out of your own greedy incompetence while gaslighting everyone else into accepting it by calling them "LaZy dEaDbEaTs." Investors ruin everything. They undemocratically undermine the common good and suck up all the money from every business they can get their poisonous hands on like vultures swarming over a dead corpses, then jump to the next company while ruining away with all the money while everyone else suffers. The current is literally legalized theft masquerading as "free market competition." Absolute fucking bullshit. 1,000% this attempt to bait the fans into paying to see Korone when she wouldn't show up was the investors' idea. Not Yagoo's.

>>107714178
>long term business strategy
>publicly traded company
Pick one

>>107729797
The original idea of an investor was that they put money into something to help society or a community...we are long past that point...at this point its people with gambling addiction.

>>107716454
kek they sure are mad.
Don't get me wrong, I wish this shithole had actual moderation and I told them this shithole would become HELL if they never got proper moderation before they made the board, but am I fuck going to Reddit as an imageboard.