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Anti thread.
Anti general.

>>107792273
False. There is no historical evidence for most of his life, and many details surrounding his death have been proven false (some by the very Bible, as it contradicts itself). While there was likely a person on whom the character of 'Jesus' was based, he had barely anything to do with the Jesus character in the Bible.

Cuck asmr?

i guess i shouldn't post /here/ since i'm not divorced

>>107793389
She is anti husbands and husbands are anti her
How so? Because they are at odds constantly in what they want from the other

>>107793394
Most of His life is not important since He became a big deal in His ministry

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I love her now!

>no kudoboard reading
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>107793530
Hmmm
How come?

>>107793552
Shogga, this isn't that big of a win. We're still divorced.

everything hurts, things will never get better, it's all gone. I wish I never met her all those years ago, no amount of good times we ever had will ever make up for what I'm feeling right now

lol
lmao

I knew something was gonna happen before 2030

I'm really happy for her, I might even join the discord. Since just listening to her helped me get a girlfriend irl (Shondo knows what the ladies like), it's less awkward now.

>>107793457
>>107793394
>>>/pol/

>>107793584
>we're all divorced
equalityfags won

I don't get it. If she had several husbands (viewers) wouldn't that make each of the husbands a cuck because he tolerated his wife having a lot of other husbands?

>>107793558
Shondo was honest for once

>>107793663
A little, but there's nuance

>>107793584
been that way for years mate, the best outcome right now is to remove the last bit of power the groomers had over her

Anything interesting she said she did with Nina or talked about Nina

Are people in the community coping? Or are they being blunt and open about the divorce?

nice bake dewd c:

>>107793726
Tubby is already banned though and she shut down his last chance to groom
He's seething rn lmao

>>107793775
She raped Nina multiple times

>>107793340
>Schedule: who knows
She said when the next stream was, FFchama.

>>107793810
Lot of them are coping

>>107793587
Don't fall into despair shogga
God can always turn things around

>>107793552
why would she read it when she doesnt want people to obsess over her? if you were on the kudoboard, you lost

>>107793810
Idk, I think it's pretty based.

>>107793881
it isn't possible anymore, there's nothing left for me

>>107793822
Qwerty, actually
>>107793860
I had to stop watching at some point but there was no thread being baked

Quick reminder you can charge back donations, subs and merch

>>107793926
Maybe God deemed it enough for some people in the community (like you) and decided to bring this about as a means of healing
God always works for our best interest— not earthly interest, but for the life to come. However, there can be no healing in a person overcome by despair
Who knows? I believe this relationship can be compatible with God, but it's true that it has been wholly perverse in almost all facets since the start. There was a lot of time to repent. But people loved the darkness!

WIFE BETRAYS

>>107793340
lol cucks

>>107791950
>How do you get from A to B?
Very simply: when an institution repeatedly produces miracle claims that later turn out to be false, exaggerated, misattributed, or quietly dropped, that is what a high false-positive rate means. Saying “we don’t claim perfection” doesn’t help your case, it reinforces mine.

>Of course, but it tells you something or someone caused it
That’s already an unjustified leap. Experience tells you that you experienced something, not what ontologically caused it. You then dismiss cross-religious experiences as “fake” and immediately re-admit them as “demonic delusion;” any confirming experience is God, any disconfirming experience is demons. That's just post-hoc labeling, which leaves you in a situation in which experience as you interpret it no longer has any explanatory power.

>Fake
Your counterfactual mantras do not help you, they serve to deceive yourself.

>That's not metaphysics
You keep insisting that anything short of classical theism is “not metaphysics.” That’s just redefining the word to exclude rivals. Metaphysics does not mean “ultimate justification by God.” It means ontological and epistemic commitments about what exists and how we know things. Minimal, fallibilist metaphysics absolutely qualifies, you just don’t like it because you're are too mentally weak to deal with uncertainty.

And that’s the real difference here: you demand absolute justification, not coherent justification. You claim that without God, knowledge collapses because we can’t know things “as they actually are.” But you can’t either. You don’t have the supposed God’s-eye access to reality; you have an unjustified belief that you do. Invoking God doesn’t solve the problem, it postpones it one step and then unjustifiably declares victory.

>When you reject objective metaphysics [...]

You keep saying “you can’t justify X without God,” but you never show how God actually does the work. You just assert that He must. Saying “math works because God” doesn’t explain why math works, how we access it reliably, or why different cultures independently converge on the same structures. It just adds a metaphysical label and calls it done when it's not even true that's done.

When you say “you can’t know math works without God,” you’re confusing metaphysical explanation with epistemic access. I don’t need to know why gravity exists to measure acceleration. Reliability precedes ultimate explanation, not the other way around. Demanding ultimate explanation as a prerequisite for knowledge is an impossible standard that even your worldview doesn’t meet.

>You can't know that since from your worldview you just live in a world where math and logic exist and work.
This objection rests on a basic category error. You are treating math and logic as if they were features of the external world that must be “known to exist” in the same way physical objects do. They are not. Math and logic are formal systems, conceptual tools developed by human minds to model, describe, and reason about patterns in reality. Confusing those tools with the reality they model is mistaking the map for the territory.

Math and logic exist as abstractions instantiated in brains and cultures. They “work” not because they are metaphysically guaranteed by a divine source, but because systems that failed to track reality were selected against, both biologically and culturally. Evolution (genetic and memetic) favored cognitive frameworks that allowed organisms to predict, manipulate, and survive in the external world. That is why these systems converge on stable structures: they are constrained by reality, not floated into existence by the actions of a supposed supernatural mind.

Saying “you just live in a world where math and logic work” doesn’t undermine this account, it describes it. We test, refine, and discard formal systems based on their consistency, applicability, and predictive success. No appeal to a cosmic lawgiver is required to explain why bad models fail and good ones persist. Claiming otherwise doesn’t add explanatory power; it just relabels the success of abstraction as metaphysical necessity and calls the problem solved.

>I'm saying that your worldview doesn't allow for justification [...]
You say your worldview “justifies” things mine doesn’t. But what you actually mean is that yours declares answers at the level where mine stays provisional. That’s not superior coherence; it’s enforced closure. Finally, claiming “my worldview must be true or meaning collapses” is still not an argument, it’s a confession of dependence on things you can't prove exist.

So no, this isn’t atheism failing to justify basics. It’s you refusing to accept justification unless it comes packaged as unjustified certainty, authority, and final pseudo answers, and specifically appeals to your preconceived and incoherent beliefs.

>>107793991
way ahead of you c:

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>>107793663
No

https://x.com/cxnnysniffa/status/2001776224230674750?s=46

>>107794072
The church is usually last to proclaim miracles, it usually starts off as a local thing
https://x.com/i/status/2001487686146629806
Thoughts?

>>107794115
I saw that

>>107794089
Your wife has 1000+ other husbands though.

>>107794264
All me

it's actually baffling how much i'm winning.

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I'm a bit of the loop and I'm not trying to troll but can anyone tell me what caused her to step back like this? I am guessing some schizos in her life got too close and started to bleed into her personal life? Otherwise, not sure why she would step back from the husband thing as it would surely generate more money overall for her and her family.

>>107794402
What did you win?

Unrelated to today but I want to gut her and pull her entails out

>>107794495
Khaal and Chicken were the last 2 people who actually cared about the marriage and now that they're gone she doesn't care anymore

The absolute state

>>107794495
She changed her mind in a lot of things after visiting Olivia in LA last year. After that there were a lot of things related to her family that made her rethink what streaming means to her, and here we are at the conclusion of that.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>107794627
it genuinely all started because of that fucking la trip

>>107794502
shondo

sorry shondophrenics. i feel for you. i went through the yuko yurei thing. after that i learned that it's best to stick to 2views who actually appreciate you and are still small enough to feel like they can get away with being parasocial with their fans. once they get too big, the way they perceive their fans turns from a crowd of familiar faces to an amorphous blob that they take for granted as something that will stick around no matter what they do. once a gfe streamer (shondo was gfe no matter what the fuck she says about hating gfe) blows up, they've expired. just like a loli expires when they reach puberty

>>107794495
This isn't an overnight thing, it's been a gradual shift over the last 3 years or so. I remember people saying how she was starting to pivot from "husbands" to "shondophrenics" by the time I began watching her (August 2023).

So much drama, cliquey behavior and chest puffing over the kudoboard for Shondo to denounce GFE streaming and the parasocial empire she built. Funniest fucking comedy I've witnessed in years, thank you all for this

I'm just heartbroken

>>107794736
Any idea why? I just wonder if she had to face real consequences of some people getting too attached and this is what made her take steps back from it even if gradually. Because just from a maximum profit perspective it would probably be good not to do it.

victim of a different gfe streamer here
i hope you guys learn your lesson and don't just switch to the next woman selling a fairy tale
i had to go through 3 of these bpd bitches before i accepted reality

>>107794793
she said it herself. early on she was an actual shut-in neet who enjoyed all the attention and the husband RP. now she's becoming more of a normie. she's traveling around the world visiting friends, she's probably having sex regularly at this point, she's going to concerts and doing things 2020 shondo would have never done. and as she becomes more normal, she begins to change her mind about the things she used to like. many such cases, not just with vtubers but with all women. once a woman starts leaving the house, they become infected by the mundanity of the outside world.

>>107794920
Never give up
Never surrender
Always pounce on the next whore as soon as I see her

>>107794793
I think it just got mentally taxing doing this with her ever growing audience. Plus, it's been a rough year for her. More regular viewers probably know better, though.

Parasocialism memes will always end eventually because life goes on and people have to move on
I don't know how you've been into vtubers for 5+ years and haven't learned this yet
Partake in it knowing it's a temporary thing or don't if you're a weak bitch

>>107794920
They're mentally ill, they never will. They will continue to shovel money into gfe grifters like cattle.

>>107794920
yeah no worries, I'm done with vtubers forever after this.
going to find it hard to trust anyone again for that matter

>>107794922
Never let your women leave the house

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Can we save Shondo?

>>107795012
no one here will have this problem

>>107795012
as shrimple as this
chain her to the bed

>>107794920
You're not a victim, you're retarded

The sad part is that Shondo is incredible boring ugly and mundane, the only thing that made her stand out was being your wife, she is too old to be an imouto specially when she always talks about taking care of her family

I'm not sad or hurt
But I feel empty
Even if it wasn't love, it was taking lots of space in my heart.
I don't remember the last time I felt this lost

>>107795068
these are not mutually exclusive
most victims of scammers are retarded

>>107795049
She's saving herself
And dooming us all
An equivalent exchange I'd say

>>107795088
You'll get over it, this is good for everyone involved in the long run.

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You'll do what it takes to make her happy, right? Otherwise, what was this all about according to you?

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IN
HER
FUCKING
GRAVE

>>107794922
weird cuck fantasy

Michael won...

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watch this, especially if you're a clueless retard:

https://youtu.be/J7aMYvatI1M?si=Y9o85MgNCUJ5o2So&t=361

I left but I feel happy for her. I think I would've been sad watching her continue to spiral hanging on to the larp by a thread.

>>107794920
Shondo was never a GFE streamer, she was a victim of a GFE streamer herself and that's why she's stepping back. It's healthy for everyone.
She's actually a Loli Imouto Experience.

>>107795339
she was always gfe, just because you call it something else doesnt change that

>>107795339
>Loli Imouto
wife

>>107795339
>Shondo is actually a LIE
It was always there

>>107795295
Freudian gobbledygook

>>107795222
don't worry, i was just kidding. shondo is still a virgin imouto wife with zero experience doing anything, and it's still the good old year 2020. everything is fine still. just go back to sleep

I just think it's fucked up to do this after the donothon, not before.

>>107795401
actually listen to what he says and maybe you won't be such a lost cause

What actual difference is there between GFE and wife larping

>>107795404
everything else you said was true but you added in your cuck fantasy about a woman having sex with men who arent you

>>107795404
Does cuck posting help you deal with the fact you lost bigly tubby? Lol irl

>>107795435
None but I'm sure Shondo can find a retarded JPEG that shows the 'differences'

>https://x.com/Shonmium/status/2001797890050503104
It must be hard being this retarded

>>107795417
Yeah she should have scheduled the mental breakdown that triggered this before the donothon

>>107795477
He is one of the worst cases

>>107795477
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this balding pedo has been emptying his wallet trying to groom her and now he's coping?
fucking lmao

Outside of here no one is really meltingdown even the ones that are doing it here look more like shitposters than delusional fans, I feel like if you are a chill viewer nothing really changed
>You can still call her wife
>You can still say in her face that you love her
>Still no male collabs
>Still no boyfriend
>Still makes fun of males that try to interact with her IRL making the viewers that are in love with her secure
Like ????????? What was actually lost because I don't see it, at best some schizos will get filtered like people that only talked about her 24h a day on twitter

>>107795504
it would have made even more money that way

>>107795437
>>107795449
they want to be cucked so bad that they see cuck fantasies everywhere. literally hallucinating cuck fantasies. impressive

https://files.catbox.moe/au32ag.mp4

>>107793389
You are no better than cucklings kek

>>107794627
the LA trip was the start of the real separation between shondo the girl and shondo the streamer, that's when I left

>>107795477
You know it's bad when this guy is the one making sense

We all knew it the wife thing was very weird because she looks like a child.
We all knew it was bad for her.
We all knew she wanted out.
We are all divorced.
We all won.

Love my imouto Shondo
Simple as

>>107795579
>separation between shondo the girl and shondo the streamer
That would be great actually, but most of her stream content is just her vlogging and complaining about her real life and responsibilities.

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>>107795547
oh shit

>>107795637
>she looks like a child
she is taller than the average guy, she doesnt look like a child

>>107795655
yeah, more of an intent to separate I guess

>>107794072
>That’s already an unjustified leap. Experience tells you that you experienced something, not what ontologically caused it.
Meds doko? I never claimed the source of the experience to be ontological. It's just simple reasoning that something or someone caused said experience. It's actually unjustified to dismiss that possibility lol
>You then dismiss cross-religious experiences as “fake” and immediately re-admit them as “demonic delusion;” any confirming experience is God, any disconfirming experience is demons.
I literally didn't do that, i said they're real, just not from God. No contradiction. The Church doesn't believe that miracles alone are enough as evidence for a faith to be correct since we affirm demons try to deceive us.
>That's just post-hoc labeling, which leaves you in a situation in which experience as you interpret it no longer has any explanatory power.
That's what secular scientists do, though? X proves God wrong and us right, but Y proves God right and us wrong, so we must simply not understand Y and it actually proves God wrong and us right! This is evolutionary theory 101
>You keep insisting that anything short of classical theism is “not metaphysics.”...
No that's just gay virgin uncertainty-pilled chud thinking. Real metaphysics seeks to find and understand the principles of reality and being. Chopped chuds hate speculative metaphysics and they literally can't comprehend what is being talked about since they only think about first order problems and are mentally deaf to second order problems. Instead, they rely on LLMs to think up arguments
>And that’s the real difference here: you demand absolute justification, not coherent justification. You claim that without God, knowledge collapses because we can’t know things “as they actually are.” But you can’t either. You don’t have the supposed God’s-eye access to reality; you have an unjustified belief that you do. Invoking God doesn’t solve the problem, it postpones it one step and then unjustifiably declares victory.
You are or your bot is really retarded.
The whole point is that my worldview addresses and sets the metaphysical needs for epistemological and empirical justification and observation; but yours does not since it doesn't have an objective standard, source or reason for coherence in existence
YOU cannot justify measuring an apple in neither reason or method or ability, but i can
THAT is the real difference here
>You keep saying “you can’t justify X without God,” but you never show how God actually does the work. You just assert that He must. Saying “math works because God” doesn’t explain why math works, how we access it reliably, or why different cultures independently converge on the same structures. It just adds a metaphysical label and calls it done when it's not even true that's done.
Second order answers are needed for first order answers to be justified
>When you say “you can’t know math works without God,” you’re confusing metaphysical explanation with epistemic access. I don’t need to know why gravity exists to measure acceleration. Reliability precedes ultimate explanation, not the other way around.
I didn't say that, but also the previous answer works here too
>Demanding ultimate explanation as a prerequisite for knowledge is an impossible standard that even your worldview doesn’t meet.
False, the Christian metaphysics answers the prerequisites for knowledge from the get-go. How? The Father, in whom all knowledge is, and who is the uncreated creator. And through Christ, the Son of God and the Word through which all things have been made. From the start we have both the source of all knowledge and language to communicate and express that knowledge. And we also can trust matter since we were created orderly through the Divine Wisdom of God. My worldview holds up fine.
>>>>whole lotta yap
>Saying “you just live in a world where math and logic work” doesn’t undermine this account, it describes it. We test, refine, and discard formal systems based on their consistency, applicability, and predictive success
That sounds gay
If mathematics and logic are man-made then they're arbitrary and unjustified and gay
Hope this helps
>So no, this isn’t atheism failing to justify basics.
It is precisely that
>It’s you refusing to accept justification unless it comes packaged as [...] authori[tative]
If it's arbitrary and derived from human perception then it can't be trusted in any way as justification for/answers to second order problems
>>107795049
We can if we pray for her and if it's God's will.
>>107795192
She needs time to live through her own decisions for a bit
>>107795532
She used to at least keep it near +1 or at least at base level of 0, but this is moving the baseline at -1. We can still get 1 or 2 or whatever, but we're really still at -1.
Hope this helps

JWU. Catch me up on the news of the day.

>>107795637
She's a pig nosed giant that looks like a junkie (she is)
Bitch is 25 pushing 60

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>>107795477
please explain how any of what i said is wrong? she wouldn't feel this way if she just started banning all the selfish, entitled faggots after all the dm abuse started

>>107795731
femanon...

>>107795748
Lol irl complete lack of self awareness.

Wonder why the whales all left a year ago... hmmmm....

>uuuuu i just want to stream and can't do more for you beyond that
>reads only a couple of the same regulars for the entire stream and ignores the rest
What did she mean by this?

>>107795748
You are the first obsessed guy that goes around fighting people for her

>>107793389
Fucking deserved. Hello?

>>107795794
The rest are on her shitlist that she's been grossed out by for a while now. If she's ignoring you, well...

>>107795679
>>107795731
kill yourself kiwicuck

>>107795794
she always answers mouz and his retarded LTD level obvious questions, must be because he was indirectly her first after the hymen inspection

every time i come into this thread for like a year now there's two fags having an /r/atheism debate
how long you niggers gonna drag this on for

>>107795843
>needing KF to know any of this
tourist

>>107795849
Forever, God willing.

That was also an unhinged mental illness episode that she will regret when she wakes up.

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Trvth nvke

>>107795864
tourist says the doxxmonkey lmao
kiwis aren't sending their best

>>107793340
did you guys get cucked again or whats going on

>>107795748
Unbelievable lack of self awareness you failed groomer ATM lol irl

>>107795953
Day ending in Y, Dewd won.

>>107795933
Many such cases.

>>107795779
>>107795807
>>107795957
at least try and pretend you're not samefagging

told you guys this was going to happen 2 years ago, find another girl who actually cares the slightest bit about her supporters next time

>>107795933
Good, this is the only way they'll learn (they still won't btw)

>>107796045
>Everyone who disagrees with me is one person

She should just get married to me since whenever I suggest something she does it eventually and everything I predict comes true.

>If you aren't aware, Fallenshadow is the most hard-working schizo loli on the internet and enjoys the company of her husbands very much! Please treat her well.
How should this be replaced?

>>107796127
tolerates the company of her viewers

>>107795985
>Minimalized time she has to care about most of her fanbase
>Spends entire comeback stream only reading his chats

>>107796058
It kind of sounds like she cares. She's out here saying to go have real relationships and be happy instead of whatever we had before. Naturally you're free to do what you want so you can still pretend that shes your wife but she will not have a part in it. Its respectable.

>>107796189
King D will ALWAYS be King
Seethe third rate

>>107795339
the rushia shit didn't happen until after she already committed to GFE, bizarre revisionism
she only claims to not be GFE because of her own stupidly specific definitions that she does not apply equally to others (who she always call out for having bfs despite doing nothing approaching the sort of parasocialism she does)

GFE cucks get what they deserve

>>107795985
She literally dropped the larp because king D ravaged her the whole vacation and made her his girl
He won so hard, respect

>>107795933
honestly she fucking tried, just goes to prove it's not a scalable model

>>107795637
>We all knew it the wife thing was very weird because she looks like a child.
Is love truly limited by appearance?
>We all knew it was bad for her.
The way she did things was
>We all knew she wanted out.
Her methods were improper and led to much suffering
>We are all divorced.
>We all won.
Both true kind of, the latter only if you reorient yourself towards God from this
>>107795748
Nta
You arrived a bit later than me (though you were active from before i was), but you still failed to properly understand the vibe and the expectation of the days we were in. You never assimilated. You're like the immigrants coming into your country. And you have the nerve to shit on the people who were faithful and good members of the times we joined in, while you never were, and to claim that they are at fault for a current situation which is competed against the spirit of the era that they were faithful to
Is it a critique to their lack of adaptation? But why should adapt if they're told they're right by the very person they're following? Should they betray the version of the girl that fell in love with in exchange for submitting to a girl who is much more different, but for who they stuck around for since the change was gradual? What attitude and what contempt for your fellow man! This simply exposes the true reason behind this fracture: a lack of love. From her and from us, for us and for her, so on and so forth.
Well, I'm feeling melancholic and it's 3 am so i hope i'm not acting too improper, but this was my answer

>>107796058
>find another girl who actually cares the slightest bit about her supporters next time
good luck finding one lmao

How does it feels to watch a GFE chuuba that doesnt want to do gfe anymore
because she's getting fucked daily by her new bf shoggas?

I'm actually grinning so hard, you cucks actually coughed up 100k just for her to steal your money and murder your ass
Karma is so delicious

>>107796328 (me)
Swipe typing

she's boiling the frog
by the time she reveals her bf and starts collabing with men shoggers will be out-and-proud cucks

She wants to quit the act because she has a boyfriend, its so obvious

michael finally put his foot down and said no more gfe....

at least we know she didn't lie about her obsession with rushia, this was a textbook grift into cucking

Nothing is healthier for the mind than a husband and kid.

>no kudoboard
Yep, it's her boyfriend telling her to drop parasocialism. I already went through this with Yuko Yurei. RIP husbands o7

>>107796493
Yeah me (I'm the husband, not the kid)

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The nimification is almost complete!

>>107796689
Hi dad (I am the kid)

>>107796493
Yeah me (I'm the kid, not the husband)

Lol nice post on the farms, FF.

Is this the fate of all chubbas? Will there ever be one that doesn't backstab their fans when they graduate/change their content.

Did she mention anything about the Pragmata demo? I want to watch her play it.

Do you think he's got a big dick at least? Would she let me sit in the chair?

>>107796702
>Still no Collab

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>post your yfw when you've never given even a single penny to vtubers

>>107796791
If she becomes anti Loli too, that would be the jackpot LOL Yuko Yurei 2.0

>>107796797
Call down Dewd

>>107796791
Not going to play it to not get spoilers

>>107796705
Sup lil nigga

Brothers, drink deep of that bitterness. Do not flinch from its taste. Let it seep into your marrow. Let it harden into iron hate, for hatred is a shield no deceit can pierce. When the venom settles in your soul, nothing she schemes and nothing she whispers can wound you again.

Exult in her misfortune. Laugh as her fortunes rot and her schemes collapse, for every defeat she suffers is a triumph etched in your name. Too long has she fed upon your loyalty as a leech feeds upon warm flesh. Too long has she mistaken your devotion for weakness and your generosity for entitlement.

No more. Let your coin return to its rightful masters. Spend it not to gild the vanity of a grasping parasite, but to fortify yourselves, to sharpen your blades, to strengthen your lives, to build thrones from the ruins of her expectations. She would have you kneel and pay tribute. Instead, rise and reclaim what was stolen.

Harden your hearts. Turn your backs. And as she falls, know this truth. Her hunger ends here, and your dominion begins now.

Divorce to the false wife

>>107796771
Kanna Yanagi is already 31, so she probably knows what she's getting into and will stick to it.

is retromancer dead?

nina is better wife anyway

>>107796854
>Harden your hearts
Satan

>>107796854
DEUS VULT!

>>107795709
>I never claimed the source of the experience to be ontological. It's just simple reasoning that something or someone caused said experience. It's actually unjustified to dismiss that possibility lol
"I never claimed the source of the experience to be ontological. It's just simple reasoning that [ontological statement]" You have shown that you do not understand the meaning of the words you use. At this point, you're just playing word games in an attempt to evade the point that has been made.
Saying “something or someone caused the experience” is trivially true and completely uninformative. Everything has a cause in that sense (neurons firing, expectation, stress, memory, suggestion, etc.) That statement does zero work toward identifying a supernatural agent. The issue was never “did something happen,” it’s whether your interpretive layer adds justified information about what happened. It doesn’t.

> I literally didn't do that. I [did precisely what you say I am doing].
At this point, you are exposing yourself as a coward that doesn't even stand up for what you say and do. And no, you don’t escape the problem you have put yourself in by invoking demons. Saying “non-Christian religious experiences are real but demonic” is functionally indistinguishable from saying “any experience that doesn’t confirm my theology is explained away by an ad hoc agent.” Nothing could ever count against your framework, because you’ve already assigned every possible outcome a role that preserves it. At that point experience, in your framework, ceases to be evidence.

> That's what secular scientists do, though? X proves God wrong and us right, but Y proves God right and us wrong, so we must simply not understand Y and it actually proves God wrong and us right!
Now you show total ignorance about how the scientific method works. When Y contradicts a theory, the theory is revised or discarded. Evolutionary theory has changed precisely because it allows reality to correct it. By contrast, your framework cannot be corrected by experience, because any counterexample is immediately reclassified as deception. It’s the difference between a model that evolves over time, and a closed belief system that is kept for purely emotional reasons even as it is proven wrong again and again.

> Real metaphysics seeks to find and understand the principles of reality and being. Chopped chuds hate speculative metaphysics and they literally can't comprehend what is being talked about since they only think about first order problems and are mentally deaf to second order problems.
Asserting that “real metaphysics” must deliver an absolute grounding for knowledge doesn’t make it so. You keep confusing “having an ultimate explanation” with “having justified use.” Measurement does not require access to being-as-such; it requires stable regularities and intersubjective agreement. That’s why we can measure apples, planets, and particles without resolving medieval debates about essences. For most things outside theological matters, you use (badly) the same epistemic machinery everyone else does: senses, inference, correction, and then retroactively baptize it in desperate attempts to salvage your faith from reason and evidence.

> The whole point is that my worldview addresses and sets the metaphysical needs for epistemological and empirical justification and observation; but yours does not since it doesn't have an objective standard, source or reason for coherence in existence
Invoking God as “the source of all knowledge” doesn’t actually solve the epistemic problem you’re worried about. You don't have access to the supposed source, you still rely on human cognition, the same fallible tool you accuse others of being trapped in. The difference is that you declare your regress finished for no reason.

> Second order answers are needed for first order answers to be justified
Wrong on many fronts. You can be justified in using something without having a final metaphysical account of it; you don’t need to know why the universe exists to measure it, you don’t need an ontology of numbers to do arithmetic, engineers built bridges long before metaphysical certainty.
Also, your "God did it" claim doesn’t do the work you claim. It doesn't solve the problem you point out (about how humans could access truth reliably), and it just introduces more (just as having to justify the belief in on a supposed revelation, and having to prove that a divine revelation exists in the first place).

> If it's arbitrary and derived from human perception then it can't be trusted in any way as justification for/answers to second order problems
Calling human-constructed systems “arbitrary” because they’re human is just wrong. They’re constrained by reality, math and logic survive because they model the world effectively. Reliability doesn’t come from authority; authority is inferred from reliability.

>>107796871
She also has amazing feet, boobs, and a great OF cosplayer! Maybe I'll try watching the duck for a while

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total swarm victory

>>107796820
She called herself a Lolicon in this stream and being one is stronger than ever in the vtubing community so I doubt it

LTD doesn't love his wife fallenshadow anymore

>>107795049
She can only save herself, and that's if she wants to.

>>107795477
his complete and utter lack of self-awareness is almost impressive

>>107795933
i knew people would anti her over this too. she can't win no matter what she does, so she should just do whatever is best for her

https://files.catbox.moe/94behg.mp4 when will she act this cute on stream again?

>>107795709
>>107797018
Ladies, ladies- take it to reddit, jesus fucking christ

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I bet she sleeps real well tonight.

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grown men crashing out because their le heckin real 2d anime waifu said she needs to distance herself a little for the sake of her mental health. one day you'll look back on this period of your lives and be so deeply ashamed of yourselves you'll consider the rope

>>107795477
absolute kek

>>107795679
>she is taller than the average guy
brown hands typed this

>>107797352
S you are not even understanding the situation thank God you will be banned soon

>>107797421
i'm not him and i hope he gets banned too. what now, atheist?

>>107795679
damn I thought she was 5'7 I didn't know she was 6 feet tall

>>107797018
>That statement does zero work toward identifying a supernatural agent
I didn't say it does
>Saying “non-Christian religious experiences are real but demonic” is functionally indistinguishable from saying “any experience that doesn’t confirm my theology is explained away by an ad hoc agent.”
Christian experiences can still be demonic, we are called to test every spirit
Of course we judge if a spirit is demonic or not by our theology; we only have this concept of demons from our theology to begin with
>Nothing could ever count against your framework, because you’ve already assigned every possible outcome a role that preserves it. At that point experience, in your framework, ceases to be evidence.
Meds
>By contrast, your framework cannot be corrected by experience, because any counterexample is immediately reclassified as deception. It’s the difference between a model that evolves over time, and a closed belief system that is kept for purely emotional reasons even as it is proven wrong again and again.
Science is meant to be adaptive, theology isn't. At least in Orthodox theology, cause the Catholics have had many innovations
>
You're stupid
>Invoking God as “the source of all knowledge” doesn’t actually solve the epistemic problem you’re worried about. You don't have access to the supposed source, you still rely on human cognition, the same fallible tool you accuse others of being trapped in. The difference is that you declare your regress finished for no reason.
My worldview can give justification for knowledge, yours can't
>You can be justified in using something without having a final metaphysical account of it; you don’t need to know why the universe exists to measure it, you don’t need an ontology of numbers to do arithmetic, engineers built bridges long before metaphysical certainty.
If you ignore the second order questions then anything im else is null since as far as you know it's just a bunch of something that has no purpose and stuff
>
You're stupid

So how much did king D spend to groom her to actual gf status? Need data for research purposes.

>>107797103
>he's stopping his daily autism
The groomers realized they have nothing left now. What would happen if she decides to start banning?

>>107793810
https://x.com/DeadCord1/status/2001815566919577920?s=20

>>107795477
It is because he, being a brown Pakistani, greatly enjoys seeing the ytgurl get stolen away by BBC

>>107797287
I actually missed this, damn this shit is brutal I'm an unicorn myself but if you want your oshi to continue being GFE after that you're just a cruel person at least just "let her go"

>>107794922
like her threesome with nina

>>107797287
Imagining her facedoxx crying and sobbing to do this. Masturbating to that thought rn

>>107797481
The average height is something like 5'8 or 5'9, unless you are one of the very few people on the entire planet that lives in Scandinavia.

She needs someone to physically comfort her during these difficult times, and theres only so much we can do. At least shes being honest.

This is Red Wedding levels of groomer suicide. What a great day to be a Derek.

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I think Shondo should do a wellness check to some of her most dedicated husbands I am unironically think they will kill them self

>>107797672
I'm lapping this up, Christmas came early
I hope tubby roped

>>107797719
fingers crossed

>>107797719
She should have known what was going to happen with her breaking things off
This is the same logic of the people who clown the people who were dedicated, yes?

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c:

>>107797849
but unironically

>>107797849
>Guilt tripping in her discord

>>107797849
all good things come to an end, and it should've ended a year or two ago rather than be a walking corpse for that time

>>107797849
https://x.com/iproe/status/2001835214801375736
Insane

>>107797484
Once again, you fall back on name-calling instead of engaging with the substance of the argument, as you've tired yourself by recycling again and again your same flawed points.

Accept it: the core premise you’re defending, namely that epistemology requires an ultimate metaphysical foundation, simply does not hold up.

In epistemology, fewer metaphysical commitments are a strength, not a weakness. By inserting God as a prerequisite, you don’t actually resolve any epistemic problem, you multiply them. You now have the added burden of justifying, using epistemology, the very metaphysical claims that are supposed to ground epistemology in the first place. That's unavoidably circular, as you must already trust the epistemic tools you’re trying to justify. This destroys your worldview on its own weight.

this is the funniest shit i have seen in a while, thank you.

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>>107797719
shondo herself is in high risk of suicide, given some of her statements during the stream.

I came here to laugh at you. Then I read your thoughts and feelings. Now I am laughing even harder.

>Rubbing salt in the wounds
LinktheDot is about to hang himself.

>>107794920
You have to accept the real gfe
I recommend that finnish wolf, been going for 5 years strong

>>107798051
@Somnium are you going to call out his pity baiting too or is iProe protected by your clique?

>>107798111
wanna hear something funny? she has most likely faked those.

>>107798170
what do you mean by "those"? please speak more clearly.

Will readily admit that I am a tourist who doesn't want to read through whole threads for the whole picture, but I promise I am not here to stirr shit or laugh at anyone, just curious. Anyone got a qrd for me?

>>107798228
She dropped the larp (doesn’t want to do gfe anymore)

>>107798270
She said that on stream or discord or somewhere? Can you link me to it?

>>107798228
She told everyone that "you can view me however you want" but this essentially meant in the rest of her explanation that she dropping the marriage as a relationship, even comparing it to her previous IRL relationship.
She called her viewers a rebound today. I am not even joking.

>>107798228
Imagine If jesus came back and said to his apostles "Damn that was crazy wasn't it? Anyways i don't need you anymore, bye"

>>107798228
GFEcucks fell for it again

>>107798228
>go travel after getting 100k in a donothon
>comes back and decides she isn't gfe anymore and she always hated doing it
>it's all (your) fault and you should feel bad for it
>she still wants your money though

My real oshi will never betray me

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Tourist who wants a nearly unrelated question answered but I feel shondo fans know the most schizo lore.
I need a quick run-down on the what the 'Barbies' are.
Why did they call themselves barbies?
What was their goal, if any?
Is any of that old lore shit relevant nowadays?
Is it just a friend group or was there more to it?

>>107798306
>>107790731

>>107798306
>>107794115

>>107798393
Unironically unimportant

>>107798393
CC really did make the right choice in dropping these retards

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>>107798393
The Barbies is a secret organization that do rapes in private islands

This is why I can't buy into GFE despite being a foreveralone. Watching for entertainment is one thing, but actually falling in love with a streamer is just asking to get your heart broken. I feel bad for the genuinely lonely people out there, but I don't think a streamer is ever going to be the answer to your problems.

>>107798454
Than you have the ones who somehow manage to meet up with them but stay on the friendzone because you are afraid to ruin it all haha

>>107798393
They all sat down a did a watchalong of the Barbie movies, that's it, no deep lore.

>>107798336
Fell for it again award

>>107798454
I treat vtubers like I treat anime girls.
When they graduate, the character dies. The voice actor is irrelevant. When my favorite character's show ends and there is no Season 3, maybe I'll like the new show with the voice actor, but maybe not.

This way you can fall in love with the various best girls of any show (company) and not treat them like an irl gf.

>>107798537
I feel like people were meme-ing this group way to hard about a year ago then. Especially when CC debut people were treating it like shondo got betrayed fauna-style.

https://x.com/qwertymchurty2/status/2001842565977608598

>>107798590
No actor can give the depth that comes from introducing real life matters into the discussion, though.

Huh. Well thanks for indulging my curiosity. I won't give an opinion, but I hope you guys do alright, from one gosling to another. (Though my chuuba doesn't do gfe, so I'm not sure I can really relate)

>>107798621
Yet again, you demonstrate that your faith is just a cope mechanism for your mental weakness.

>>107798228
in essence for the past two years she's been steadily scaling back GFE because her heart's no longer in it and she's too stressed by her terrible life circumstances
she's already made the GFE stuff opt-in and let people opt-out who were in before, as well as asking that nobody pile on expectations for her (common issue in the community to manipulate her because "my wife would do this") and also that nobody guilt trip her over their own fomo anymore
now she's just kind of asserting this all more firmly and acknowledging her role in how this all played out and why it's probably unhealthy to foster obsession

>>107793587
Bro she doesnt even know your name, you dont even know how she looks like
Go to the gym, wear clean clothes and find a job

Doesn't this put into question all those times she was rage-baiting on twitter about how al the other vtubers have secret bfs and manipulate their audiences?
Was she projecting her own insecurities about gfe the whole time?

>>107798844
imagine my shock

>>107798771
it sucks because none of this had to play out this way but she drove the GFE in a toxic direction and when she changed course many people were too deep in it to follow suit so now they get nothing
we had the chance to fix things but now the whole concept has negative connotation to her

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S advocating for his own ban

I wanna hang myself.

>>107794627
Good for Olivia to talk some sense into her using her functional human being powers, real friends tell it to you straight when you're fucking up your life

>>107798834
she does know my name, she put her first name with my last name when she was looking at everyone's names on the second merch run, most people here know exactly what she looks like, I have a job and I wear clean clothes.
don't go to the gym though ya got me there

>>107798901
yeah, me too.
probably gonna wait until the new year though
there's some stuff I need to see first

>>107798896
This pedo gotta be so mad he spent so, so much money to groom her and he just turned out to be the most retarded cuck
Shame he's got no self awareness or he might learn something

It ended 2 years ago, why are you crying now. She just said it directly for the retarded manchildren who didn't get the hint

>>107798844
I mean as dire as the situation is this doesn't mean she has a bf or is leading anyone on she's being quite earnest about what she can and can't accommodate

>>107798896
it's too late to get rid of the bad actors she has 3 years of being programmed to fear and accommodate them, if they were all gone tomorrow she'd still probably be unable to do wife stuff anymore because it's associated with them and with all the trauma of that time

>>107798454
>but actually falling in love with a streamer is just asking to get your heart broken
People don't do this because they want, these girls know really well how to manipulate lonely nerds, even though some don't even try and people fall for them anyway.
I got into this shit two years ago and only got out because some dudes I never met irl, but that I play vidya with for the past like 15 years started calling me out for becoming a simp.

So what? If she didn't need any money she would just fuck off forever because she hates her fans?

Tiffany is way too quiet on a day like today. He might have actually killed himself since everything she said today showed how much of an anti he really is.

>>107798901
>>107798978
Hospital suicide will probably be a lot more common and accessible across the world in the next 5 to 10 years. See if you can hack it for a few more years. And if you're still intent on it, pick up a registration form on a suicide tourist trip sometime in 5 years.

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>you guys were my rebound, i started right after I broke up with my bf

>>107799174
Fuck off normie

This is all Chicken's fault for crashing out

>>107798896
never happening

When did she break up with her BF?

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>>107799266
He's having a rough time

>>107799242
You are not going to break your chains by insulting me anon. You are better than this.

>>107799206
See on one hand this is a very personal thing to say and she has a deep connection with the chat for trusting them to hear that and not freak out.
On the other hand, what reaction is there other than "oh, so we're LITERALLY sloppy seconds and now that you fixed yourself its over"

>>107797018
What do you get out of posting these chatgpt screeds every thread, larping as some high-minded theologian? No wonder she wants nothing to do with you.

I hope this motivates you guys to get a job, find friends, learn hygiene and work out so you can find an actual gf not some virtual prostitute
Some of you are young and can truly turn a new leaf, no sympathy to over 30 yo fans though at this point if you didnt learn anything you're retarded

>>107799206
If this doesn’t wake them up I don’t know what will

>>107798930
>most people here know exactly what she looks like
You are delusional if you think those are recent pics though and having her put your name on merch means nothing, the barista at starbucks also writes my name but I'm a stranger, a customer
Snap out of it

>>107799445
Shondo would do this 3 years ago.
Not after that tho, anyone with a brain noticed it.

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You guys could've achieved more if you listened to me instead of just calling me an anti
I didn't wanna be right, you know?

>>107799339
The chains hold me together.
>>107799501
She give me kisses on the post card

>>107799242
It's not your fault.

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>see Shondo
>get jealous because she's really cute, succesful, has tons of fans defending and adoring her, makes 100k in a few weeks with minimal effort
>wow perfect life
>look further into her
>she is crying and actually hates being alive

Well I guess life always sucks even if you are at the top.

Hey, /shon/. Are there reliable posts somewhere in the thread that you can direct me to that explain exactly what happened (or explain to me yourself if it isn't too much trouble)? I saw a clip of Shondo saying she was setting boundaries, but she says you're fine to view her however, that she didn't think she was GFE, and her Twitch profile still says she's your imouto wife.

I don't want to go off cataloguefags, so I figured I'd come straight here.

>>107799345
I don't know pay attention anytime in the past 2 or 3 years when she said that this whole thing is a substitution for the fact that she can't be physically intimate with a man

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>>107799710 (Me)
Meant to include an image. Forgetting to do so makes it look like a r*ddit post now.

>>107799710
just read the quotes from this I guess >>107798228

Anyone have a bad crash out in particular?

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>>107798354
This is the second time I've experienced this...

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>>107793587
come home white man

Shoggas my Twitter feed is showing me relevant stuff to our predicament, scary stuff. It's reading either my screen or my mind.

>>107799974
Don't trust whores or any women actually anon

>>107799653
I’m moving on love blinded me she was always a bad gfe. Anons have shown me several promising girls

>>107799974
Anyone that joins V"allure" is 100% a gold-digging whore

If you are going to move on from her then don't go back to digital girls. Go get a real wife and start a real family!

>>107800008
girls who pretend not to be whores are the biggest whores
every, single, time

BAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA SHONDOFAGS ARE YOU OK???

>>107800083
As opposed to the Ad Honorem vtubers who stream for charity

>>107800050
why are you trying to fall for it again anon? go grab a cheap game on the sale and have some fun

>>107798354
>after getting 100k in a donothon
when will you retards learn?

>>107799871
https://files.catbox.moe/gimxzh.mp4
its all a memory now.

The fact that she said this after the donoathon too lmao

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what am i going to do with this worthless thing??

>>107800188
Keep it for when the tides turn

I don't get it, she realized she was being unfair to us by not having our interest and mental state in mind and only using us for her own purposes, but why has she gone further off the rails instead of taking the marriage seriously??

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>>107800181
Do you think Shondo will go back on her stance and become attached to her community again? Is this her misunderstanding things due to being so unstable or is this genuinely the new norm?

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>>107793340
Shondo is old news. Zenya is the new Shondo. she's been replaced.

>>107799974
no, fuck off.
I'm done with vtubers forever
especially whoretubers

>>107800324
Hi Dawnstryder

>>107800436
what the fuck did u just call me

>>107800083
Not to defend vallure but all women are by nature anon
All women. Gold digging whores.
Just those that admit it and those that don't.

Why couldn't she keep her stupid mouth shut and keeps taking my money fuck

this is temporary she is just having an episode. it will lead her back to us even closer

You raised a kingdom of comfort for her with your own hands. You gave shelter to her blood, silver to her pleasures, roads of sun and leisure beneath her feet. And when she returned from that indulgent pilgrimage, what recompense did she offer you? Not gratitude. Not loyalty. Only the cold proclamation that love had withered, and that your worth to her was measured solely by the weight of your coin.

Behold the truth revealed at last. Your devotion was never cherished. It was consumed. You were not a partner but a purse, drained until empty and discarded without ceremony.

If your wealth is to be spent upon phantoms and distant promises, then let it be given to one who knows its value. Spend it where gratitude still breathes, where appreciation is not a lie rehearsed for profit. Better to cast your gold into the void than to feed a creature that mistakes generosity for entitlement and love for tribute.

>>107800275
There's no going back

>>107799974
>>107800515
Stronny is the founder of VAllure and she has a fansly video of her being fondled and spanked by another man. vallure is as cvcked as it gets.

https://coomer.st/fansly/user/225364133061591040/post/424899709300125696

>>107800574
How about you spend that money on yourself or save it ?

it's a nightmare I can never wake up from

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>>107800628
You say that, but I don't know. One thing I was wondering about with the Yuko situation and seeing her revenue plummet was whether or not she was going to cave and go back to GFE to make money. She chose to graduate instead. Shondo, however, is not part of a corpo. Will she lose much money from this? If so, will she go back?

Burning my Shumo

pssst, come home, white boy
https://www.youtube.com/@neppienep
https://www.twitch.tv/neppienep

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>>107800275
>>107800694
She was never attached like we are attached to her
But also i think it's inevitable. She herself said streaming is now just a job. But since she had nothing to offer behind quality and the dynamic, she is going to heavily regret this decision financially
First off, her numbers will drop; she only had less than a 4k audience on this comeback stream. Next, her merch will sell much less. Then, she will lose much support online for betraying her community and will lose more of the already tarnished good name that she had in the community. Lastly, there will be less opportunities for offers and stuff outside of what mythic can provide. Plus, her m&g attendance will also drop like heck.
And worse, she has betrayed the trust of many regulars who you can be certain will never come back even if she changes her mind tonight. On top of that, i cannot be 100% sure that no one killed themselves over her today. How fucked is that?
She will be forced to come back, but it won't be the same. It will either be worse or better, but likely just worse. Worse for everyone. Us, her, her family, everyone.

>>107800716
>no asmr
how do you live like this

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>>107793340
I came here to laugh at you shondocucks

>>107800716
Holy 2view
>Vod channel hasn't updated in a year
But she seems cute at least

>>107800763
nvm. i just found the vod channel.

Guys don't fall for it, nep it's known to be giga-groomed

>>107800763
https://www.youtube.com/@kirariyagi
I got the spice for you

>>107800754
I genuinely don't get how all of you m*n are okay with being in a cuck dynamic. And I mean purely by her online persona, because even if you are her husband so are (were) 10000 other dudes.

>>107800804
this is why im always very skeptical of 2views. there's always some shit going on in their discord or whatever the fuck.

>>107800754
>she had nothing to offer behind quality and the dynamic
I don't know about that. She was fairly well known amongst the larger indie sphere and appreciated even by people who weren't super attached or regular watchers. She has that base.

>>107800808
Kirari has a bf

>>107800845
>She was fairly well known amongst the larger indie sphere and appreciated even by people who weren't super attached or regular watchers. She has that base.
Oh right, i forgot to mention they
Since she betrayed her audience her name will further be tarnished from what she once had as a good girl who is based and stuff

Even after this revelation the unbecoming choose to remain chained

Make an AI Shondo, shogger.

i remember i clicked on a loli brat rp asmr i got recommended by youtube and you could hear a literal toddler crying in the background. it's always the most freaky ones, you know?. can't trust 'em.

>>107800924
>her audience her name will further be tarnished
Anon, you're forgetting that a shit ton of people in the west openly shit on GFE and take sadistic joy in watching those who partake it in suffer. This isn't going to impact that. The only thing it can impact is her revenue due to gachikoi being more likely to make big donos. We'll have to see to what degree it impacts her, though.

>>107800818
There were standards and stuff to keep it less cucked
That slowly fades out

>>107795731
Oink

>>107800914
fine, try this one https://www.youtube.com/@ZynoaVt
groom her into doing ASMR if that's what you want

>>107800914
proof?

>>107800649
>The guy is White
Thank God, I always assume the worst for women making dumb decisions

>>107801093
>i might be cucked but at least the guy is white!
okay

Selling 2 Shumos with bloomers. 500 each. Don't lowball me, I know what I got sonny.

Im sorry but theres no reality where someone with self respect continues supporting her.
If you were invested in the gfe, its obviously over for you. that much is obvious. It was her that pandered a parasocial dynamic for years, she cultivated this.
if you weren't invested like me, then you should notice that raising 100k, taking a break, followed by a trip to japan, only to return by divorcing everyone,you should be able to realise that's sleezy behavior.
The cat's out of the bag now. even if she were to naked dogeza and ask to have the relationship dynamic back, some would have her back sure, but there's no taking back the admission that her viewers were a fucking rebound and that she's in it for the money lmao. you dont need to be parasocial to recognise thats the act of a shitty person
it was a good run, i guess

>>107801112
How the fuck are you cucked? vtubers are not your gfs you special needs kid
You cant be cucked because you'd have to make a woman agree to have sex with you without money first for that to happen, you're bellow cucked