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a quiet thread is a peaceful thread
It's over...
What led to the fact that not all of Promise is at 1mil subs? Where did it go wrong?
>>107840723during.the rrats are running wild
can't believe we're graduating
>>107841059But we've already debuted 4 mins ago.
>>107841059will there be a reincarnation?
The sign right holobro?
is that a record?a whole 20 minutes without numbers
>>107841115ESLbros?
>>107841115cute whore
How come only FWMC get invited to the big JP clique things but not Kiara, the original EN x JP bridge? What do they have that she doesn't...
>>107841115why are her feet so big
>>107841115philiPENIS!
Why did Cover try to make Kanata cut contact with kson?
i'm getting seriously tired of this fag posting "heimin" tweets here. no one cares.
>>107841119>captcha becomes a logic test>shitposts goes down>numbers goes down>breadmaking goes downwhat does this mean?
>>107841136I'll help you anon: it's because she's annoying
>>107841144
>>107840560Kinda amazing that this guy got almost the same numbers, ccv, likes, doing the same thing everyday
>>107841144They were still together until kson decided to join vshojo
>>107841163That explains a lot
>>107841173amazing sure is a description for that
Nice dead thread
>>107841136Binding vow in exchange of having no western knowlege they are able to put all there stats in Japanese Otaku stuff.
>>107841202Natty?
would you pay $50 to schizo out?
>>107841168I still remember the epic tale of when Discord was down GunRun coded a replacement in a few minutes so they could continue working
>>107841168>>107841188So Vshojo lives rent free in Yagoo's head?
>>107841246lol, after Zentreya revealed that it was the exact opposite, it takes a real mongoloid to try that angle.
>>107841246more like in your head
>>107841173he's the next ninja
>>107841173Just checked, even the behaviors are almost the same. All streams peaked at around 14.00jst. There were some weird jump that but will still peaked at around that time.
another braveslop imploded
>>107841261LMAO
>>107841277(me)peak at around that time then started steadily declining after
>>107841301who cares at this point
>>107841278>Lack of staff>Repetitive language and cultural misunderstandings causing almost constant friction between talents and managementPeople can’t thank Yagoo enough for being quick on his feet and cutting that rotten branch
More clip numbers.(HL, NJ, VS)Split is 260.8M(-10.7M), 238.0M(+25.9M), 115.2M(+12.7M)Recent is 123.5M(-5.8M), 106.1M(+12.8M), 58.1M(+12.8M)JA Split is 219.0M(-12.5M), 235.7M(+27.6M), 113.7M(+12.7M)EN Split is 28.0M(+950k), 1.5M(-40k), 620k(-120k)Regular Split is 61.9M(-960k), 39.7M(-1.9M), 10.7M(-1.8M)Shorts Split is 198.9M(-9.8M), 198.3M(+27.9M), 104.5M(+14.5M)
>>107841319More clip numbers, filtering out JA.
I like this shit lol
>>107841319NonJA Niji clips are only around 2M? I’m skeptical
>>107841295heres your upvote
>>107841272Gunrun didn't force Kson to move away from Kanata, Cover did.
>>107841295>:(
>>107841330>nimi loses to erb
>>107841295*clap clap*next meme
>>107841342fbking and korone have the best thumbnails
>>107841361it sure was worth it streaming at 4 AM for years just to fake a US timezone, huh?
>>107841295CLAP CLAPNEXT MEME
>>107841136did you forget that one time miko got harassed by antis because kiara couldn't shut her mouth?
>>107841383she didn't do it to fake a timezone but because that was the best time for her fans to watch
>>107841168>今のところなしThat means "at the moment, no", which was technically correctNobody expected Vshojo would rugpull all of its members, not even the biggest haters expected that
>>107841409proof?
when does he talk about his bunghole?
>>107841319What exactly are they clipping of Kuzuha, anyway? He’s kinda boring.
>epic le secret knowledge rmbait thread on the hololive reddit with 3k upvotesBaaaaased
>>107841425the superior peanut
>>107841416>t
>>107841361
>>107841330>matsuri gets higher clip numbers than the highest nijienJesus, just kill the branch already.
>Mori is not wife mater-ACK
>>107841168generational crashout after the pyramid scheme collapsed
>>107841449Why did he do it? Was he retarded?
>>107841460You guys say you want this but freak out when someone actually does it (Nimi)
>>107841416“Expected” is too strong of a word but people even in this very thread were always inquisitive about the viability of “Talent Freedom” / “the company provides everything and takes nothing” business plan they were going with. The prevailing theory back then was that VShojo would take no cut out of donations or self produced merch but reserved the right to produce merch and keep 100% of the revenue. That of course makes no sense in hindishght considering they barely released any merch for the whole time, definitely not enough to be solvent
>>107841468Cuckling...
>>107841462
>>107841343If you have reasons to believe they aren't accurate, feel free to show evidence.>>107841435Shorts. The deadspace actually drives people to clips, because there exists a large audience that would rather watch several shorts than sift through hours of streaming. You either watch part of a 10 hour VoD live or wait for the clippers to condense the content.
>>107841464News travelled really slow back in the 50s. The dude holed up in the jungle and successfully defended the area he was assigned to defend. How do you think they would reliably convey they news of the surrender to him if they couldn’t get past his defense?
>>107841482>a bunch of literal who vtweetersdon't care
>>107841482Just say it was Senzawa and Mint. It's an open secret at this point.
>>107841483Good! we dont give a shit about her
>>107841507It was 3 people; Mint, Jaiden, and someone else that wasn't Saba
this thread is so dead right i had to double check to make sure a tsunami didn't wipe out indonesia and the philippines
Veibae with her tellall was amusing as fuck
>>107841497>If you have reasons to believe they aren't accurateIt’s less than lack of trust in the numbers and more about the depth of the hole they’re in with the non Japanese crowd. One would expect at least some interest in their recent male vtuber waves in NijiEN
>>107841541Why vshojokek still sucking on gunrun itt? Is his iou worth a lot?
>>107841541They may be whores but they're still 10x better people than Grifterrat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2KkqC4uvS4They made it into the #1 exclusive clique, so happy for them
>>107841560It's mainly to cope that "they didn't REALLY get duped, tricked, manipulated and KWABbed by bottom-barrel snake oil that only a retard would fall for, as hard as it appears!"
>>107841564why do you talk like a monkey?
So anyway what is the official cuckling cope explanation for why Nimi's new best friends (her only birthday guests) are two failed vshojo hires?
>>107841564Why did you mentioned elira?
Cliqueschizo, I'm going to rape your ass
did saba and doob actually kick nimi to the curb
>>107841580Fitting in with the thread
>>107841581i dont keep up with nimi or cucklings
>>107841541This plus “VShojo to the moon” were the apex of eating crow
>>107841541whats MTD?also its always nice to be proven right time and time again
Miko 60K incoming
>>107841600To the moon mention
>>107841581some variation of>doesn't count>just wait for saba™ and her wife shachi™>shut up>i type in a cool calm and collected manner like sasuke, that's how you can tell i'm not coping and filled with cuckrage
>>107841581I'm very certain that they're hiding the fact that they enticed Gura into graduating.
>>107841593>Fitting in with the thread
man kson has had it rough, getting backstabbed by not one but TWO different vtuber companies
>>107841623>>107841636>1 minute apartlmao
>>107841626which is the second one?
Uririn A TW Vtuber who had a bit of hype is having her debut...good numbers so farhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp2QhS2g0tU
>>107841626vshojoJP and vshojoEN
>>107841001Wait we have yt channel?
>>107841608MooTewDoo or something. It’s one of the founders and Projekt Melody bf / pimp or something
>>107841643hololive
>>107841617you forgot>retard
>>107841442just like how that soya girl appear wherever biscotti mentioned
>>107841600>ennacuck deepthroat mouse(gunrun) for more than a year nowDamn, he was eating premium pagpag all this year.
>>107841653And merch too. #4 is on sale this week, don’t miss!
>>107841639He's fucking desperate because no one bite his saba threads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBATZsxSb1ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBATZsxSb1ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBATZsxSb1gMiko and her hangs
>>107841608>MTD- COO of vshojo- creepy sex pest- tried to be slick leaving the company before the company and then being like "wtf gunrun??" but this failed in large part thanks to Vei's whistelblowing>Apek- CTO of vshojo- mel's boyfriend- seethed on 4chan, at the girls, etc.- has literally gone into hiding afaik
>>107841581Because they were all victims of black corpo? Probably have fun telling each other horror stories about corpo lives (mainly Nimi's life since other two's corpo lives hadn't even publicly started yet)
>>107841661 (me)My bad, it was VshojoJP, the director won't even pay her.
>>107841482>a bunch of nobody armchair lawyers want to tell you how you should have handled your really handle itThis is one of the most tired troupes of Twitter niggers ever ">"everything would have went perfectly in my imagination if you did it EXACTLY like THIS!"Not everyone should be allowed to have opinions
VIOLENT FRIEND
>>107841702>miko and four hags pretending to be canines
>>107841725You don't need to be a lawyer to realize their NDA cope is a bunch of bullshit and the whole "we saw nothing, we heard nothing XD" cope is such a transparent fucking lie
>>107841716vshojo jp doesn't have a director and wasnt responsible for paying the talents, my brown friend
>>107841624>1 white (me) surrounded by browns and danger hairsa perfect culmination of /#/
>>107841702Kissing asses and the rings paid off huh?
>>107841747Wait, I just realized something. Is every canine in Hololive a hag?
>>107841770Pero is a puppy!
>>107841783MELOCO I KNEEL!>Based and Nattypilled!
>>107841783Hey it's that Gura killer penguin
Something tells me that those whistleblowers from Vshojo were the ones being threatened by the incoming talent.
I'm at work. There's a brass band at the entrance playing Christmas songs. Not sure if they're being paid.
>>107841715FAUNA MOMMY UUUUUUUUU
>>107841809>were the ones being threatened by the incoming talent.I don’t know what you refer to as “incoming talent” but outside of Ironmouse and Melody everybody else got shafted one way or another. It amazes me that those two came out unscathed
>>107841001KEKKAPOOOOO!
>>107841751Nice! now what was the goal of "pretending" that the NDA kept them "silent"?How much money did all the girls make form Vshojo management under the table by pretending everything was fine?If you don't have access to their bank accounts and exact transactions i don't give a shit about this gay rrat is trying to allude to.What Kson didn't warn people fast enough to protect people? i don't give a fuck then what about Ironmouse, Melody, Zen, Henya? They don't count cause they were all in the same spot? these rrats are retarded, drink some bleach at this point.
>>107841848its always the same when it comes to ironlung everyone else has problems but never old mousie
>>107841679the count should be our mascot
/#/ is back
https://x.com/kei27822215/status/2002025152587145540>Heimins are regretting asking Kanata to consult with Yagoo with his useless tea parties when they didn't help anything at allAnother day, another thing heimins discover they should be angry about. Cover is so fucked lmao.
>>107841770Is Fubuki that old?
>>107841880to quote my earlier post>i'm getting seriously tired of this fag posting "heimin" tweets here. no one cares.
>>107841880How is he at fault for her brainworms? This was known to anyone who cared about her at the time. She said he didn't help anything and wouldn't help at the time.
>open /#/ for the first time in months>kson seethe>"they were in on it" (it = getting robbed by a techbro)>speculating about the vshojo hires who have all publicly debuted by this point>"what is mtd">"i'm amazed that ironmouse is unscathed" (ironmouse is owed like a million dollars)>"melody is unscathed" (melody is owed hundreds of thousands)>every post has a grammatical errorno offense but you guys really fell off this used to be a good drama thread
>>107841880You're the matomefag
>>107841869I have such a visceral fucking hatred for Ironmouse holy fuck
>>107841892>longtime heimin since 2020What now?
>>107841872He already is and “The Song of the Count” is our song in the 4chan soccer thing>Sesame Street: Song of the Counthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIniljT5lJI>You know that I am called the Count>Because I really love to count>Sometimes I sit and count all day,>But sometimes I get carried away>I count slowly, slowly, slowly, getting faster>Once I start in counting it's really hard to stop>Faster, faster, it is so exciting.>I could count forever, count until I drop>One, two, three, four,>One-two-three-four, one, two,>I love counting, whatever the amount.>One, two, three, four, hey, ey, ey, ey, hey, ey, ey, ey,>One, two, three, four, one, two, that's the song of the Count.>I count the spiders on the wall.>I count the cobwebs in the hall.>I count the candles on the shelf.>When I'm alone, I count myself.>I count slowly, slowly, slowly getting faster>Once I start in counting, it's very hard to stop>Faster, faster, it is so exciting.>I could count forever, count until I drop>One, two, three, four,>One-two-three-four, one, two, three, four, one, two,>I love counting, whatever the amount.>One, two, three, four, hey, ey, ey, ey, hey, ey, ey, ey,>One, two, three, four, one, two, that's the song of the Count. Hey!
>>107841912>used to be a good drama threadthis was never a good thread you just finally got tired of drama
>>107841902He runs the company, you're saying if you were the CEO and a holo came to you complaining about overwork you would just ignore it and do nothing?
>>107841938buddy i have opened /lig/ for several days in a row to keep up on drama
>>107841880Another day, another retarded heimin let his emotions do the thinking and ignored what his own oshi said
>>107841941She wanted to be overworked, she did it to herself by pushing for her sololive with all her energy and going all out.
>>107841935forgotten just like bloop
Whenever there is some retard posting about twitter opinions, I always think about this old gem
>>107841941Holos choose how much work they do. You can do nothing for months at a time like Ayame and Gura if you want
>>107841958And he should have done nothing? Not even assign extra managers to her to help only for this busy period with sololives and albums?
>>107841564>hololive english
Migo got kumaged lol
>matomenigger taking L after L
Japanese OL hag pits and tits.
>>107841951lig is not a drama thread its a pool for the biggest schizos across the site to take a dump in
>>107841912none of the queen bee faces of vshojo have ever said they are owed money retardwhat they have said for years though is that they are a family, gunrun is their dead, they are super duper close, geegasoftware attended all the internal meetings and gave her "super-expert" advice on finances etc. etc. etc.
>>107841941They suggested that she should reschedule or cancel some of her personal projects. She didn't want to.Sure, you might argue that they shouldn't have made her to work on things outside of her scope but then Kanata herself acknowledged that (1) management has been putting their efforts on it and (2) fixing that will take a long time. Yagoo isn't some magician who can shorten a years-long process to just days or weeks-long.
>>107841996>none of the queen bee faces of vshojo have ever said they are owed money retard??????????????????????????????bro doesn't even watch clips lmao
Did anybody get initial stocks for this?https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/products/takanashikiara_ninomaeinanis_1stconcert_drawntodawn_advancedshippingHere are the current stock numbers for the individdualized itemsLight Stick Tube Takanashi Kiara 431Light Stick Tube Ninomae Ina'nis 1188Button Badge Takanashi Kiara 268Button Badge Ninomae Ina'nis 864
Analyzing women is not a real study
Gold is Miko’s for the taking but Pekora already neutralizes the chances for a Niji gold today. Is 20-0 the largest single month blowout in this tally history?
>>107841976Managers are useless and probably would've just made things worse. It's a problem caused by Kanata, she pushed herself to burnout to get a sololive, thats all it is
>>107841964peanut's 60k viewers despite only 170k followers on twitter confirmed real and legit, then?
>>107841976They already have their managers working on multiple members each. What made you think managers themselves aren't also neck deep in works and deadlines?
>>107842009>they didn't donate to muh charity (still got my 5000 outfits paid out of keskons pocket though!)is not equivalent to being owed money you lying sack of shit
>>107842015can I open the tube and use it as an onahole?
Migo 40k quota get
>>107842023Kanata said that her manager helped a lot, though?
>>107841976Everyone agrees she's a total retard, there's nothing he could have done. She thinks doing all the work and hating it but then graduating is her way of keeping her dignity rather than lessening the work or staying after the worst is over.
>>107842015Either the initial stock for Kiara was grim or she's mogging Ina in sales
MIKO DAILY 40K QUOTA GET
>>107842048>if i owe you a lot of money but you still have some money from another source then i don't owe you any moneykill yourself gunrun
>>107842048Didn’t Ironmouse get her half of the charity money?How does that even work?>lol, donate to my cause, I’ll keep 50% from the top, thank you very much!>the other half ? Who knows haha!
>>107842045Maybe they should've hired more managers instead of throwing money at holoearth.
>>107842033yes he's the award winning king of vtubers
>>107841941>complaining about overwork
>>107842064Kiara has had lower starter stock than others for like three years now, they know she's not as popular
Ironmouse definitely wasn't in on it and never benefitted from any of the money being stolen by vshojo, stop asking questions okayhttps://ironmousemodelindex.squarespace.com/
>>107842081
>>107842033Twitter engagement really means nothing to YouTube.
>>107842081It's their job to give her enough people to complete those projects. Not to tell her to finish it alone. What are they taking 50% of the money for? This is why the VShojo model was superior despite how it turned out in the end.
>>107841001>1 subscribersEven YouTube knows the fucking difference
>>107841912Misinformation is /#/'s biggest seller
>>107842075the charity money is owed to the charity, not to mouse. there is additional money that is owed to mouse that vshojo also stole. there is no "half of the charity money". you're suffering from esl confusion.
>>107842107All me
>>107842104>This is why the VShojo model was superior despite how it turned out in the end.You're even dumber than I thought
>>107842076Hiring more managers doesn't prevent womenchildren taking on more work than they're capable of. Ayame does fuck all for half the year anyone arguing Cover is pushing work on them is just wrong, they all choose how many projects they're part of and sololives take a lot of work. Kanata pushed herself too hard, couldn't handle it and figured she's already had her high point so she's going to leave now at her peak.
>>107842104>Shojo model was superioryeah look at vshojo now
>>107842048All the big vshoujo members already talked about how they're owned north of 100k at worst a billion times what the fuck are you talking about you retard
>>107842112>there is additional money that is owed to mouse that vshojo also stoleWrong.
>This is why the VShojo model was superior despite how it turned out in the end.lel(For the record, even the “no cut out of the money” was a lie as disclosed by kson herself)
>>107842127They collapsed before their talents collapsed and all of their talents walked away owning their own IP anyway so nothing changed. That's a good thing.
>>107842146>They collapsed before their talents collapsedMost of them recieved no income for months.
>>107841869>"Oh yeah Mori's friendship with cannor and gigguk could be problematic since they hate loli">Mori hasn't talked to them or about them in three years>Ironlung literally horking down Cannor, Hasan, and burntpeanis dick>*crickets*Funny how that works, anyways stop noticing things!
>>107842140Vshoujo handled the money she earned as a Vtuber because she didn't want so much money flowing around her personal account and when they ran outta money they started to take from her account. She said this on stream a billion times dude why are you even arguing this
Projekt "moving to Japan with the help of vshojo and being super close to their CEO and staff" Melody definitely had NO idea anything fishy was going on all this time okay!
>>107842160They had their streaming income with VShojo didn't touch.
>>107842146talents own IP vshojoke no income
>>107842170Post a single clip, go on
>>107842170>Vshoujo handled the money she earned as a Vtuber because she didn't want so much money flowing around her personal accountTOP FUCKING KEK, people really believe this?This doesn’t even make sense at all, it’s not like they money was in a burlap sack under her bubble.
>>107842170Started to take money out of her personal account ? That's heavily illegal unless she permitted it in the contract
>>107842140vshojo owes money to the charity, mouse, melody, henya, kson, feebee, mint, matara, kuro, and i forget the rest of their names, and then on top of that there are random commissions they didn't pay either. you seem to be struggling to understand that vshojo owes multiple different parties money.>>107842170that isn't true either. she sent money on vshojo for them to spend on her behalf so she could retain her anonymity. then they spent that money on other things without her knowledge. they did not have access to her personal bank account like you are suggesting. hololive talents do this as well so it's ok.
None of the girls had any idea okay, they didn't get paid for many many months before the vshojo implosion but they never talked about it or asked each other "hey did you get paid lately?" or otherwise found out this was happening to others too.They just didn't know and are completely innocent.
>https://files.catbox.moe/cuw85u.mp4ERB only mentions girls ONCEbros she's feminizing, we own her nowproceed to cope when she does another collab with the stars in the next few months because vt can't understand the concept of conflicting schedules.
>>107842194The video where she announced she's suing them and the streams she did after milking it
>>107842223fictional retard narrative:>they didn't get paid for many many months before the vshojo implosion but they never talked about it or asked each other "hey did you get paid lately?"reality:>after a couple missed paychecks they did talk about it, that's when they all realized none of them were being paid and then they all quit
>>107842229Are you seriously getting mad that even motherfucking ERB prefers girls rather than dubais?
>>107842217>she sent money on vshojo for them to spend on her behalf so she could retain her anonymity. then they spent that money on other things without her knowledgekek, WTF? That’s not even remotely believable! >hololive talents do this as well so it's ok.Anon, it’s unsightly to try to impart the faults of your company-oshi on others
>>107842176Dude even Kekson said she was owed like $200k. That money they weren't paid out was for merchandise they sold to their fans but never got made because it all went down Gunruns gullet. Why are you so insistent on carrying water for this pagpag eater? Is he still handing out gift cards?
>>107842263lil bro thinks that hololive talents pay for commissions out of their personal paypal accounts lmaoooo
>>107842076HoloEarth / Metaverse has the least amount of employee compared to other general departments / sections, though
>>107842217>they did not have access to her personal bank account like you are suggestingYeah, i said they took money from the "ironmouse" account, not the "[IMs real name]" account>>107842223IM told Geega about it months before and at least Michi and Kuro knew about it weeks before she dropped the video. Also many Vshoujo members had strick NDAs banning them from asking other talents about their income under the pretext of "privacy"
Before the Vshojo drama, they lost managers and members.But nobody knew about it :)
>>107842270From what every girl mentioned the expenditures they make are done with money the company FRONTS them, in a zero interest loan. The scenario you’re constructing where the company has access to some realized amount of money they can spend without their knowledge doesn’t exist. It likely doesn’t exist in your VShojo tale either
>>107842229today i will remind them
Jesus fucking christ, I was really not expecting FWMC to be sub 5k on this collab. Maybe it'll get another 1k or so when the game starts to settle in
>hey wtf now that you mention it I also didn't get paid for 15 months! What gives? I just realized!
can't believe gunrun is still posting here during the downtime between his ubereats deliveries
>>107842296I wish she would just disappesr
>>107842322It truly reads like it. A very passionate defense AND what looks like intimate knowledge of the nature of the scam he was running.
>>107842316Fubuki and Mio are at 8k and 6k, people are watching the Minecraft event since it's wrapping up today.
>>107842099Thing is usually superstars also have big followings on other platforms yes i know about his tiktok but its not HUGE
Fuwawa silly face...
>>107842291>i said they took money from the "ironmouse" account, not the "[IMs real name]" accountthere was no "ironmouse" account. vshojo had one singular bank account that all their revenue passed through.>no that's stupidit is and that's how gunrun got away with it for so long>>107842295>the expenditures they make are done with money the company FRONTS them, in a zero interest loan.vshojo also did this. mouse only had to send them money for exceptionally large payments like the half million for charity.>The scenario you’re constructingeditor's note: the 'scenario' in this scenario is reality>the company has access to some realized amount of money they can spend without their knowledge doesn’t existmy numberfriend, why do you think vshojo doesn't exist anymore? it's because they were literally doing that.
the dark side of hololivehttps://youtube.com/shorts/ZgJo7_MWvqU
>>107842316>EN stream at a JP timeslot>4 POVs>in japanesethat’s already pretty good
this collab really shows how autistic Mococo really is
>>107842300classic niji zabimaru bots
>>107841924still a newfag heimin. real heimins members Kanata since 2015
>>107842317>half the stuff leaves in rapid succession>Matara get mysteriously fired>every vshojo member fakes a smile and pretends everything is sunshine and rainbows and nothing is happening>Matara later reveals that half the industry already knew Vshojo was collapsing through the grapevine>former Vshojo staffer reveals IM's video "blindsided everyone on the talent side"
>>107842386>1 video>0 subcribers>100 viewsNigga is this you
>>107842316>even the JP which they cater to don't want to watch babytime with FWMCgrim
>>107842425heh, now it's 101 views. See ya later, sucker
>>107842442You lost Nijisis
>>107842296Disgusting whore
>>107841136Nobody likes Kiara. It's pretty simple
>>107842375>vshojo also did this. mouse only had to send them money for>my numberfriend, why do you think vshojo doesn't exist anymore?Anon, they did not. Quite the contrary, they were paying for merch runs with the money the customers sent they in the pre orders. That’s exactly what causes them the problem in the first place: VShojo has no revenue stream, they were paying the previous bill with the advance money they got to pay for the next up until they couldn’t anymore because the new round of funding he was counting to close the hole never actually came.
>>107842470Exquisite meme
>>107841136the same reason why ENs avoid adding her to collabs if at all possible
What game should I play while I wait for my oshi to come back?
>>107842495Aieeeeee whos hand is that
>>107842417>half the stuff leaves in rapid successionhalf is an exaggeration. some staff were let go but layoffs are completely normal in the american tech industry. this didn't raise any red flags.>Matara get mysteriously firedmatara tried to look into her financials more closely and got fired in retaliation because she would have discovered that vshojo was broke. she then didn't tell anyone what was happening because she was afraid of getting sued. she finally told everyone what she knew at anime expo.>every vshojo member fakes a smilethey were real smiles because they were unaware>Matara later reveals that half the industry already knew Vshojo was collapsing through the grapevinegunrun was seeking additional funding from investors, people who came in contract with those investors at a con found out. most vshojo talents did not attend that con.>former Vshojo staffer reveals IM's video "blindsided everyone on the talent side"gunrun did not inform the staff ahead of time that he was about to do crime.
>>107842417It's very hard to believe than random ass indies found out about their charity fraud before the talents did.
>>107841839It's a charity thing. However I have no money and they are mid.
>>107842510russian roulette, good luck
PRESENT FOR KANATAN??
>>107841136Kiara latched herself to Pekora as her ticket, it's obvious why that failed. Koyori went on to make a similar mistake before crawling back to Miko after being betrayed.
>>107841330How did Saba fall so much when Gura used to do good clip numbers
>>107842516I meant video games only sorry
>>107841617>>i type in a cool calm and collected manner like sasuke, that's how you can tell i'm not coping and filled with cuckrageIt's hilarious that you think being calm is something to be made fun of, like getting mad about vtubers isn't embarassing
>>107841419You and Kiara can burn in Hell for that.
>>107842524And now it's Vivi's turn
>>107842526Because there is nothing to fucking clip
>>107842457No! How could he know!?!? This guy is good....
Was there any new revelation that just came out from VShojo drama or why are you guys talking about something happened months ago?
>>107841880yea, they're pretty much favoring pekora above all others, I think Gamers and Mikomet are going to graduate next year, its over for hololive.
>>107842537You could say the same about Gura
>>107842548Not until your mother graduates
>>107842513>some staff were let goAll of them with no exception disclosed to be leaving on their own accord, not being “laid off” It’s absurdly funny that the former Niji director (responsible for their “ACCELERATE” strategy) joined VShojo to, alongside kson, create a “talent first” company in that market. In hindsight: what could have ever gone right!?!?
>>107842501Raora loves her, Nerissa loves her, Gigi invited her to collab, and Biboo joined her collab streams / all call-ins. She might not be the most likable girl, but she works really hard for Hololive
>>107842492did you not understand that i was talking about personal commissions on behalf of the talents rather than million dollar merch orders that the company itself organized? the company paid for new models and things for the talents so they wouldn't have to send their personal information to strangers.
dark side of hololive (real)https://youtube.com/watch?v=5pJ89lqf4qY
>>107842564>cosplays Nimi in your path
>>107842510mindustry
>>107842567>i was talking about personal commissions on behalf of the talentsI am talking about the same. Hololive had the cash flow to front the money and the girls have an assured revenue stream to be good for the bill. Vshojo has neither, they couldn’t be fronting any money in the girls behalf because they didn’t have any
>>107842552Kek
>>107841411She did fake it though but going to the effort of changing her switch and PC to eat. Sane with pretending it was late and that she had to go
>>107842580They got 11 million though
why is this faggot larping as a vshojofag?
>>107842578>>107842470
>>107842524I think many people have a similar feeling for some members, like latching on to Gura won't get you anywhere, while latching on to Pekora is a terrible idea.
>>107842593I wasn't joking. Gura clippers used to recycle old content at one point
>>107842559>everything nijunk and vshitshow touch turns to shitluh mao
>>107842229Just like that VR collab with Shiori and one of the homo's that was meant to happen and never did? Her last homo collab was already back in July.
>>107842510Starsector. Mod in vtuber portraits.
The REAL dark side of Hololive
>>107842642Let's not go too far, her last homocollab was Holoday, November 20th.On that same day she made an impasse by mentioning the Homos to Nerissa and Raora (Nerissa went MHM and left a couple mins later). She is still on that sweet HOLOPRO IS A FAAAAAMILY mindset that Ollie has, but it's clear that she's getting tired of having to babysit adult parasites.
>>107842609>They got 11 million thoughHere is the funny part: they didn’t. They must have ran through a LOT of exquisite expenditures with parties and that “talent freedom” campaign in Tokyo’s subway because both Nazuna and Kuro got shafted from the getgo, meaning 2023.
>>107842564>Gigi invited her to collabthe one in july? lol
>>107841416I literally said they were fucked and going to collapse in a heap when they first raised that 11 mil of investment. Hell people were calling it when Veibae, Nyanners and SilverVale at the time 2 of the top 3 and a solid midcarder left and explicitly talked about VShojo fucking them on the contracts. Or the like 6-12 months before death where in succession they lost their cofounder, head of talent, head of marketing, cofounder and talents.
Vshitshow died nigger, gunrun failed, vshitwhore failed, you tried to go after Hololive and karma got your ass and all the niggers involvedYou lostered harder than nijiniggers that's quite a featFailing was bad enough but their deaths was a total humiliation
>>107842559>All of them with no exception disclosed to be leaving on their own accord, not being “laid off”this is simply incorrect.>nijiseethethat guy and the idol producer chick were never full employees. they did a little bit of consulting work. they basically got paid to tweet that and attend a few meetings. the point of their hires were to raise awareness for the brand in japan. also niji jp, which that guy worked on, is doing fairly well.>>107842580vshojo did have cash flow. the cash was just flowing to the wrong place at the end most of the time. they could easily cover ~$10k payments for a new vtuber model here and there.
>>107842683>is doing fairly wellNigga they got 40k on a full on 6 people 3D live. They jobbed to Pekora and are a few minutes away from jobbing to Miko.
>>107842677>you tried to go after Hololive and karma got your assizzat coded post
>>107842544First time here? All we talk about in here is nonstop drama and never move on from it just like women. See Nimi, Gura/Saba, Kiara, <insert company that isn't hololive> for references
>>107841608MowTenDoo, cofounder of Vshojo
>>107842513>they were real smiles because they were unaware>they all came out saying shit like they knew shit was going south and were not paid for months and months
>>107842564I can think of a lot of things she did this year that only help "herself" and not hololive at all
>>107842693that's cute but they also have triple the stock price of cover, and their talents are returning rather than graduating.
Winning
Late 40k quota GET
>>107842697The fuck is izzat, sound like a desease
Pekobis gonna make everyone cry
>>107842642She had that TTRPG stream with the homos in November
>>107842717Really wanna talk about stock? It's still going down.
>>107842711we are talking about two different periods of time. they were happy until they found out they were owed significant amounts of money, then they stopped being happy. you could see it happen in real time by watching streams.
>>107842729It's the Indian honor system where you have to constantly defend your honor from any percieved slight
>>107842668Oh true I forgot about the twitch stream. As far as I was aware the stuff with Nerissa was her asking what she was drawing though, and ERB simply told her and they moved on like you said. Never saw anything about the Raora part though, I imagine it was largely the same.
>>107842717That's cute but their shit stocks are still going down, their grad list is about 8 time the holo oneAnd they still get BTFO in revenue
>>107842677TRVKE
>>107841912>Melody is owed hundreds of thousandsSHE WAS A COFOUNDERAlso literally last week a FOURTH secret member of VShojo’s monster girl Gen that never debuted showed up
>>107842748If they had any honor, they wouldn't poop in the street
>>107842671You know you sound like a woman right now?
>>107842683>that guy and the idol producer chick were never full employees. they did a little bit of consulting work. they basically got paid to tweet that and attend a few meetings. That doesn’t match the reaction kson is having in his replies there. With that said I agree with you on this point, and that’s part of why VShojo failed so spectacularly. They spent a LOT of money trying to “fake until you make it”, purchasing fluff pieces and trying to muscle into a market they didn’t understand the least by throwing money at it. The amount of pieces like pic rel they got from all sorts of publications including notorious “pay to play” ones must have depleted their war chest. This particular piece was funny as fuck, both by being at the eve of their implosion and for the fact it is essentially>soccer players like CR7, Messi and Johny McLiterallyWho are filling stadiums >[next seventeen paragraphs are about McLiterallyWho, who never actually filled any stadium]It definitely wasn’t cheap to buy that much airtime
>>107842717>What about the actual numbers that matter like revenue, i.e. ticket sales, merch sales, and viewership?>stupid holokek look at the stock priceEvery time.
>>107842762>SHE WAS A COFOUNDERand they still stole her money lol>Also literally last week a FOURTH secret member of VShojo’s monster girl Gen that never debuted showed uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebsJLoXAjXY? bro is just typing shit
>>107842748Gunrun actively going after Hololive isn't a "perceived" slight tho, that's something one of their bitches stated. Also the concept of karma and honor are not exclusive to you fucking brownoid faggots.
Nijipedo
>>107842076You would then proceed to shit yourself about them wasting money hiring “useless managers”
>>107842782Grimmi confirmed it as well
>>107842777AND WE SEGWAY INTO OUR FAVOURITE SEGMENT>THE V-SHOJO JERKOFF HALL OF SHAMEFrom their inception in 2020 down to their last day of existence, V-Shojo (SPECIALLY Ironmouse) was always the little golden child of Internet media in relation to V-Tubers. GunRun did an excellent job in paying reporters, journalists and even minicelebrities in order to shill the everloving shit out of his rather flawed company.These are only 17 out of the literal hundreds of examples of V-Shojo being treated as the end all be all of V-Tubing, the objective of this is to have a good laugh at how poorly have they aged, and how insulting some of these felt even back in their time.https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/vtuber-agencies-virtual-idols-global-streaming-superstars-1235387390/https://anitrendz.net/news/2024/12/04/what-can-we-learn-from-streams-charts-vtubers-q3-2024-report/https://comicbook.com/anime/news/ironmouse-twitch-sub-record-kai-cenat/https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-you-make-everyone-happy-vshojo-s-ironmouse-advice-vtubers-favorite-anime-future-plans-biggest-achievements-exclusivehttps://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2023-12-19/vshojo-ironmouse-is-crowned-vtuber-of-the-year/.205666https://www.tubefilter.com/2023/12/12/ironmouse-razer-partnership-vtuber-brand-deals/https://esports.gg/news/streamers/what-is-vshojo/https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/vshojo-vs-nijisanji-vs-mythic-which-vtuber-agency-boasts-popular-virtual-streamers-2023https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/ironmouse-wows-vtuber-fans-3d-concert-debut-original-song-2031838/https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/vtuber-twitchcon-meet-and-greet-vshojo-projekt-melody-rcna51794https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/vshojo-ceo-japan-expansion-break-down-barriers-vtubing-1879718/https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/ironmouse-subathon-vtubers-forefront-streaming-1871054/https://www.gamerbraves.com/who-is-kson-an-introduction-to-vshojos-legendary-delinquent/https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/vshojo-raises-11-million-in-investment-round-to-grow-the-vtuber-communityhttps://kotaku.com/twitch-ironmouse-streamer-most-popular-female-vtuber-vs-1848576685https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/who-ironmouse-exploring-vtuber-s-background-trained-singer-clip-performance-gains-traction
>>107842742nah bro only stock prices matters and how many yachts the ceo hasthe talents at niji are almost all developing mental health problems and are dealing with sexpest co-workers, amongst not getting paid, having fanmail and plaques stolen from them, etc., but so long as stockholders (not the employees LOL) win then the company wins!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!11111111!!!!! winning!!!!!!!!!11111!!!1!!
>>107842782>Gunrun actively going after Hololive isn't a "perceived" slight thoGunrun couldn't do anything to Hololive>Also the concept of karma and honor are not exclusive to you fucking brownoid faggots.Karma is literally an Indian concept
>>107842717
>>107842803Not a single Nijisanji graduate has complained about being overworked to graduation.
>>107842816KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK
>>107842773how so? its just funny that the third person in your list of holos who "like" kiara is there just because she invited her to collab half a year ago, thats just so funny and doesnt help you at all really
>>107842815>Gunrun couldn't do anything to HololiveHe couldn't yet he tried, that's the point, tried and failed>Karma is literally an Indian conceptKarma is a convenient word for comeuppance aka getting what you fucking deserve, nigger
>>107842797So did Rajesh
>>107842253They literally were all saying “yeah I haven’t gotten paid in like 6 months
>>107842777time to reuse the good ol >V-SHOJO JERKOFF HALL OF SHAME From their inception in 2020 down to their last day of existence, V-Shojo was always the little golden child of Internet media in relation to V-Tubers. GunRun did an excellent job in paying reporters, journalists and even minicelebrities in order to shill the everloving shit out of his rather flawed company. These are only 17 out of the literal hundreds of examples of V-Shojo being treated as the end all be all of V-Tubing, the objective of this is to have a good laugh at how poorly have they aged, and how insulting some of these felt even back in their time. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/vtuber-agencies-virtual-idols-global-streaming-superstars-1235387390/ https://anitrendz.net/news/2024/12/04/what-can-we-learn-from-streams-charts-vtubers-q3-2024-report/ https://comicbook.com/anime/news/ironmouse-twitch-sub-record-kai-cenat/ https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-you-make-everyone-happy-vshojo-s-ironmouse-advice-vtubers-favorite-anime-future-plans-biggest-achievements-exclusive https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2023-12-19/vshojo-ironmouse-is-crowned-vtuber-of-the-year/.205666 https://www.tubefilter.com/2023/12/12/ironmouse-razer-partnership-vtuber-brand-deals/ https://esports.gg/news/streamers/what-is-vshojo/ https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/vshojo-vs-nijisanji-vs-mythic-which-vtuber-agency-boasts-popular-virtual-streamers-2023 https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/ironmouse-wows-vtuber-fans-3d-concert-debut-original-song-2031838/ https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/vtuber-twitchcon-meet-and-greet-vshojo-projekt-melody-rcna51794 https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/vshojo-ceo-japan-expansion-break-down-barriers-vtubing-1879718/ https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/ironmouse-subathon-vtubers-forefront-streaming-1871054/ https://www.gamerbraves.com/who-is-kson-an-introduction-to-vshojos-legendary-delinquent/ https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/vshojo-raises-11-million-in-investment-round-to-grow-the-vtuber-community https://kotaku.com/twitch-ironmouse-streamer-most-popular-female-vtuber-vs-1848576685 https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/who-ironmouse-exploring-vtuber-s-background-trained-singer-clip-performance-gains-traction
>>107842825Selen's suicide attempt wasn't for naught
>Not a single Nijisanji graduate has complained about being overworked to graduation.
>>107842825You're joking right? Even 4 years ago their was JP bitches complaining that niji was like a fucking prison
We have an unironic Gunrun cocksucker?grim
>>107842842I don't think he even tried, he was just jealousAnd karma is an Indian religious concept, look it up
>>107842845I already posted it you muppet!
her comes the piggypaggot's multiquote KEK
>>107842865that's Gunrun himself
>>107842524What if Koyori was BETRAYED and trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber
>>107842865selenbrown was vshojo staff
>>107842865and they arent even getting paid anymore...
>>107842742>>107842757>>107842779and it's still higher than cover's lol>>107842777>That doesn’t match the reaction kson is having in his replies there.i'm too lazy to check. is she there hyping him up? because no that matches exactly lol.>They spent a LOT of money trying to “fake until you make it”, purchasing fluff pieces and trying to muscle into a market they didn’t understand the least by throwing money at it.correct.>>107842798>>107842845uh oh melty
>Responsible for the success of Hololive Gen 1They were going hard on the slides to try to raise money. One “memoryholed” fact of this whole kerfuffle was NekoMikuri doxxing himself and his boss at Cover’s “rapid response” contracted team to try to clear the name of this Alex figure, which was directly accused by that JAV whore of leaking Holo material
>>107842867>look it upNo i will not pollute my brain with your shitskin trash, karma is picrel for me lmfaoAnd yes, he did try you coping faggot
>>107842609And they spent it all on shit like that TALENT FREEDOM ad in Japan or that terribly performing streamed concert.
>>107842888That's gay. Koyori isn't
I'M NOT CRYING YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!!
>>107842353You say this but miko have 41k
>>107842862Not in terms of workload. And the only ones complaining about it were the whores anyway.
>>107842904what'd he tryall he did was hire two losers who got kicked out of hololive
>>107842865It's either Mouse or Melody defending themselves here and claiming they didn't know all along or benefit from it
>>107842867>I don't think he even triedCome on nigger he put Cover and Holo stuff in fucking docs for hires lol>>107842901So you're a nijinigger cocksucking a dead company that imploded
>>107842901>is she there hyping him up?She was going full “talent freedom!” there, in response to his commitment to bring it to Japan
>>107842901selenpaggy seethe kek
>>107842885Grim
>>107842903>The guy responsible for the success of Myth believed in the vision of VShojo
>>107842921>Not in terms of workloadYeah it was nigger and it was also about restrictions>the whorelol nijitranny you don't know shit about the JP side of your dogshit joke of a corpo
>>107842816donie darkskin the indoggy
>>107842929>So you're a nijinigger cocksucking a dead company that implodedBased on that anon posts I would say he’s more of a regular holo anti than anything else
>>107842840I'm not the guy you're replying to but your argument is literally "They hate each other!"Just because holos don't spend every second shlicking each other doesn't mean there was some backstage drama that drove them apart.
>>107842537Even on the week that she streamed (4/7 at the end of October), clips numbers were still low. The only clip that got numbers was when she referenced her old coworker
>>107842914Kek the ps3 concert
>gunrun didn't even try
KEEEEEKKK called the piggypaggot's multiquote
RIRIKA WHAT ARE YOU SAYING LMAO
>>107842920yeah and FubuMio are consistent 5views is the point
>>107842929niji is a black company and i literally called vshojo a scam run by a retarded criminal. this thread is so esl that it makes my head hurt.>>107842931does that strike you as out of character? she does that all the time.>>107842943dunno what this means
>>107842742Didn’t they increase dividend again?
>>107842948Yea and so did Gura
>>107842997Oh so you're just one of those niggers who believe somehow everybody in vshitshow streamer wise is innocent lol
>>107842997>does that strike you as out of character? she does that all the timeYou’re misreading my post. It strikes HIM out of character considering his tenure as a Niji director and the original owner of the memetic “yacht” (a meme that started with him long before Riku assumed direct control). She’s just gullible as fuck
>>107843030do you wear a helmet in real life
>>107843030The only streamer in VShojo who was part of management was Melody afaik, no reason to assume the others are guilty of anything especially seeing they all quit
maximizing shareholder profits = winning!!!!!!!11!!!
Damn Lamy really feels betrayed I guess she finally realized Kanata didn't give a fuck about her and was just counting down the days until she could move back in with Kson
>>107843049>>107843050You lostered vshitshow niggers and so did your whores, deal with it and go back to coping in your shit thread lol
>>107843050IM was happy having them pay for her 50940 models until she realized it was about to implode and she had to get ahead of it to clear her name
>>107843050>IM with 10 outfits is innocent
>>107843071>>107843072>esl seethe
>>107843092>unironic vshojocucklmfao
>dunno what this meansmhm because this thread has more than one shitskin that runs defense for niji and ex-vshojosCall enna a whore, say kuzuha and ironmouse are botted shitters, and admit you never watched Lulu-- then I might believe you. Also say you don't believe in vishnu for good measure.
>>107843077>having outfits means she's guilty of somethingare you retarded
Why is someone here defending Nijisanji and Vshojo ?
>no reason to assume the others are guilty of anythingkek except for talking mad shit about Hololive and furthering their ceo's Holoanti agenda online by encouraging vslutho fans to do so too (niji phase and liggers do this too btw)inb4>N-NUH UH!vei literally got cut out of a collab with Holo because she did this KEKKKshe was also the first to confirm>kek except for talking mad shit about Hololive and furthering their ceo's Holoanti agenda online by encouraging vslutho fans to do so too (niji phase and liggers do this too btw)this was true btw ;)literally right as vshitshow confirmed they were shuttering
>>107843102>open thread>clarify the crimes vshojo committed>"haha you like vshojo"
>>107842840Kfpiss are very sad individuals. Gigi had done way more with Mori. Nerissa realized she's an annoying fuck after spending time with her in the Maldives. All her JP pairings are dead.
>Ironwhore>Innocent>Whore like vaebae, nyaners>Zentranny>InnocentHoly kekCan't tell you how glad i am your shit company fucking died and your whores are crawling back to the pit of irrelevancyAlso how is that BA sponsor going lol
>>107843121mild shit talking doesn't mean anything, vei hasn't been in vshojo for years aswell
>>107843123>be a cuck>opent thread>jerk off his irrelevant whores saying they didn du nuthing>still a massive cuck
>>107843142MinusOneBlueArchiveSponsor
>>107843123You're dealing with some real idiots anon, I don't think there's any point with reasoning with ESL mongoloids
>>107843142bro is overcompensating for lostereding kanata to the indieGODS>>107843154>be retarded>deepthroat corpo>doesn't even have a picture of peepeeheadoh my keks
>>107843152>vei hasn't been in vshojo for years aswellYeah i like how everybody ignored that 4 of their whores randomly fucked off kek
>>107843092are these Nimi's cats?
>mild shit talkingdishonest tranny faggot shitskin LOL>n-not in vshojo for yearsthat has no relevancy to anything you dumb brownoid LOL you just acknowledged vshitshow's Holoanti agenda was there from the very beginning btw thanks for owning yourself for me ;)
Kronii’s and Bae’s Dispatch numbers are doing pretty good
>Vei and Nyanners knew for years >but IM and others knew nothingsure...
this is just extended seethe from the shondocuck isn't it
>>107843171Was so easy to make you drop your shit maskKanata is not re-incarnating, vshitshonigger, you can larp as a ligcuck all you want that won't make you less of a cuck
>>107843196i thought i was a nijinigger
>>107843185did you go to a school for special children?
>>107843142the fact that nyanners had any positive sentiment on this site after her sjw meltbrown years ago biting the hand that fed proves just how far this site fell to normalniggersof all the former vslutho cunts I want to see ruined the most she's definitely up there at the top if not no. 1
>>107843209>vshitshow>phasenogs>ligcucks>nijiniggersame race
>>107843211Mommy says I am special
>can't even address the point anymorevslutho shuttered LOL that's a losterwostered forever LOOOOOL>no BA collabLMFAOOOOOOOOOOBWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA
>Phoebe Chan apparently didnt have a finished model when VShojo bit the dust because she got caught in a back and forth with a staff member who wanted to make her model more quote “goonable”.>Really not hard to understand why this stupid company died.I agree but not for the same reason. Whoever that manager was absolutely on point and has a much deeper understanding of the industry than any idealistic retarded girl that thinks she can thrive on her entertainment factor alone. >And then they eventually settled for a slit on her sleeves that shows armpitsAgain, this might have been the ONLY competent VShojo manager
>>107843178they're kson's cats. when she goes to foreign conventions she leaves them with her parents and they get mad that their mom isn't around.
>>107843209>>107843211No but for real, it's not >our fault that Ironwhore is getting humiliated by the normalniggers she tried so hard to pander to
>>107843209>Nijisanji>Vshojo>Phase>Neuro and Peanut>ex Holosanti use everything against Hololive, we know that, thank you for confirming it.
>>107843092>>107843239>ksoncuckayy carambayour bitch is a 3view shitter lol
So Gigi, Fuwamoco and Kronii are the only ENs that have high chances of being virgins.CC and Irys too, but it is a long shot
Reminder ligcuckies were pressed to explain why their whores were better than corpos yesterday and they couldn't back up any of their claims.
>>107843241the streamer behind the ironmouse drama already got cancelled for doxxing some streamer or something. you guys are washed. no idea what's going on at all.
>mfw the vslutwhore darling and literal tranny are eaten alive by their pozzed sjw tranny tourists they courted for years>mfw tranny taste and vslutho members lose collabs>>107843263TRVKE!!!!!
>>107843263The indie scene is better than the Holo scene these days, there's just more good talent
>>107843262Fuwawa took mococos first time
>>107843271Please nigger you got clapped on by the entire twitchnigger world lolHow is that BA sponsor going btw?
>>107843238>chad vshojo manager demands armpitsuhhh based?
>>107843262I assume you’re using Bill Clinton’s patented definition of sex only meaning “sexual intercourse involving penis penetrating a vagina” because other than that Kronii might have eaten more clams than a well fed sea lion
>>107843284like who
>>107841053Suisei doesn't deserve to be there. I bet she fucked him.
>>107843284>there's just more good talentHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>"The indie scene is better than the Holo scene these days, there's just more good talent"
>>107842235>ouroshi
>>107843297>COME ON, IN THIS BUSINESS YOU GOTTA SHOW SOME SKIN!>No? Well, at least roll your sleeve up for some wakipai view
Imagine you go from being a vshitshow nigger to a fucking ligcuckThe fucking misery
so its true saba, fauna are going to vshojo and Mouse sabotage it?sorry my poor english
>>107843301Peanut
>>107843327ALMOST GUARANTEED AT THIS POINT!
>>107843320>yourirrelevant whore
>>107843295>the entire twitchnigger world lolyea that's what i'm talking about. that guy is done.>How is that BA sponsor going btw?mouse's third BA sponsor was cancelled sadly
>>107843301What kind of vtubers do you like?
reactslop...
>>107841715HOT FAUMEI SEX and the 2 boring shitters on the left...
>>107843326he stayed brown the entire time, so it's on him
Oh, yeah, whatever even happened with that Mint’s idol group?Heard the founding stream then nothing. Aren’t idols supposed to sing and dance?
>>107843301*crickets*
>>107843371feeb has a live concert in 2 hours
>>107843301like>react whore no. 98435908723495087 who talks about dicks cock cum and niggerdickor>react whore no. 11101594597261651651 who talks about dicks cock cum and niggerdickor>react whore no. 34987329482938074473 who talks about dicks cock cum and niggerdicktruly ligsluts and small corpos are Furthering The Medium(TM)!!!!!>>107843356right on time LOL
>>107843371They had a collab last week I think and phoebe and Victoria are solid 3 views last I checked
>already asking someone what vtubers(he means Holos) he watches so he can compare his indies to themYup, Holo WON.
>>107843389Whats the attendance?
>>107843402not sure, i can't see into the future
>>107843399fuck... browntrannyxirsters... we... lost...
>>107843371>Mint’s idol groupPomu collab witrh homo
>>107843399For pretty much every Hololive member there's an indie who does it betterExcept Mori if you like music
>>107843402probably more than nijiEN's and ironmouse's concerts
>>107843415I assume there is a venue with a set number of tickets sold / set number of available chairs
reminder this nigger said Lulu was "unicorn friendly", begged jannyggers to sticky the threads he made and coped about her being a "top niji" KEK
>>107843326i watched hololive originally. now i get to discuss streams with people who speak english. it's nice actually.
>>107843422lollmao even>>107843397>brazilian ligniggerew
>>107842903>Responsible for the success of Hololive Gen 1>responsibleabsolute retards lmao, and funny considering the girls have said multiple times that managment didn't do shit and they were left alone most of the time back then
>>107843356That video is fucking crazy. Cop ignores all evidence pointing to the man being innocent because some retarded AI mixed him up with somebody else
>>107843351I watch FWMC, Nerissa and Gigi and I know for a fact that no ligger has the entertainment value of any of them>But Nerissa doesn't stream-Yeah nigga and no ligger can even come close to her singing profiency so you better try something else
>>107843451You're a kson cuckhold lmfaoYou're not even a person
>>107843049do you believe earth is flat
Not that guy but there are some good indies. Not gonna post them here though cause I don't want any schizos here to give them attention.
>can't name any actual examples of "an indie who does it better">can only vaguepost because he's brownKEKKK crap coloreds are soooooo mindbroken and O B S E S S E D!!!!!
Holostars musical
>>107843469>FWMChoshigami twins are much better>Nerissa I have no idea why anyone would like Nerissa so I'm not sure>Gigi She's very Niji-coded, maybe Beribug
>>107843469>FWMC, NerissaVery base->Gigi
>>107842495kek
>>107843494>184viewstotal areal homobros
>>107843494thank god all that shit is separate from the holoen twitter now
>hoshigami twins are much betterNo one believes that, not even you or people who speak German
>>107843495>>107843500look at those cucks lmfaoif your ligwhores were entertaining you wouldn't be shitting about hololive all day ITT
>>107843500Gigi isn't that bad if you can get past the beat off jokes for 4 entire hours
harro!
brownbro literally JUST used google for those names </3>>107843522TRVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVKEROOOOOOOOOOO
>>107843526I can't and I won't bother
>>107843519nobody speaks german. even the germs would rather speak french instead.
>>107843495>Niji-coded>doesn't collab with males????
>>107843469>I watch FWMC, Nerissabased>and Gigiyuck
>>107843495>maybeYou don’t even have the knowledge of the conviction to make your case. You’re starting from a preset belief system>there must be someoneand winging it, making shit up as you go along. For the most part it clearly shows you don’t even care about the subject or have any particular knowledge, all you want to say is>I dislike Hololive and what it represents but with too many words and subterfuges to cloak it
>>107843519They speak English bro, they're twins without the insufferable personality of FuwaMoco, very good models too
>>107843453It's funny because HoloRed turned out to be a shitshow>ERB is wayyyyy too fucking old and outdated for toilet humor>Ollie cannot function as an entertainer and instead slobs all over Dinofag like she's ovulating or something>Dinofag and Saaryon hate each otherEvery now and then, homocollabing girls and homos try to reinvent SALT but SALT wasn't even that funny and depended exclusively on the charisma of Mori and Kronii.
>>107843553You haven't even watched a single full stream of them, stop pretending
>>107843469>watch Nerissa and Giginice>and FWMCunfortunate
>without the insufferable personality of FuwaMocoreminder that only browns and trannies have cute aggression btwalso>germoidsalmost as bad as the fr*nch
>>107843422Does what better? Because it's certainly not being more entertaining overall.
You can seethe and shit all you want ligbugs i'm not gonna watch your boring whores.
>>107843542haste Lack gesoffen du Holzkopf warum sollte ich französisch können? CC's französisch is ganz nett aber da hört es auch schon auf
>>107843469>fwmc nerissaHolos>gigiNot holo
>>107843550>You don’t even have the knowledge of the conviction to make your case. You’re starting from a preset belief systemIsn't that what you're doing?I don't know what you like about Gigi, but Beribug is similar except she doesn't have awful ironic solo content
>>107843494another trillion dollars
>>107843500>>107843547>>107843582Who do you think you're kidding, ligtrannies?
>>107843469>FWMC, NerissaHOLY SHIT TASTE >GigiOK BASED
>>107843574I've watched many of their streams>>107843592Being entertaining is where modern Hololive really fails, great if you want to feel like part of the winning team, not so great if you care about streams
>>107843593this t b hI don't get how they think being annoying Holoanti shitskins will make us convertmissionaries for religions and stuff at least try to be formal and polite at first, but nijiphaseligshitskins are always hostile and they think being catty passive aggressive redditrannies on top of it will change anyone's minds lol
>>107843478>you like women touching each others' boobs?>that's haram or somethingok kid
>>107843598wow you racist fuck what did you say about jews
I only watch Myth, Promise, and Shiori yes I am brown
>>107843585>calls other people brown>doesn't even know what cute aggression means
>>107843601>I don't know what you like about [holo girl], but [lig whore] is similar except [holo seethe]
>>107843601Beribug doesn't have any content at all, she came up with that GTA server with Homos and Nijis and shit and then shut down and did nothing with it.If it wasn't for Clown Homo and Axe Homo that fucking server would have died on day 2. And I think that's the best representation of what a ligger is: Someone that is so incompetent and boring, even the lowest possible denominator (Homos) can easily outwit them and be more entertaining than them.
>>107843606I'm not obligated to like everyone in Holo sorry
>>107843630You're watching some fleshy e-girl whore, i'm watching vtubers
>>107843500>>107843547>>107843582>>107843600>>107843613Is it a raid ?
>>107843601Kek so true
>>107843630No see it's cuckhold because somehow every girl is for you, and if they do things with someone else that means cuck
>>107843648sounds like cope
>being entertaining is where modern Hololive really failshow is "reactslop and talking about cocks cum and BBC stream no. 93405986072345987" more entertaining than this RV strea- oh wait, you're brown so you're into that cuckshit LOOOL
>>107843651I don't know about the others but I was serious
>>107843630vtuber btw
>>107843643>Beribug doesn't have any content at allWhat?She streams, has a similar personality to Gigi, except her solo content isn't fucking awful
>>107843665Oshi?
>>107843602vshojo cany even pay 5000 dollars
>>107843651Not a joke, my post was legit
None of you cucks can ever bring up anything interesting those alleged tallented indies do, everHow curious
Kiara album sold out on Geekjack for the 5th time. Pretty silly that they won't restock anymore considering there's 2 more days
>>107843684they stream consistently
If you look at the top 100 channels on Twitch you'll understand. Everyone who's on Twitch will be a fan of at least 1 of those channels. Which means people like Asmongold, xqc, forsen, caseoh, Hasan and so on. That'll help you understand why the taste of these people in which vtubers they'd enjoy is so abysmal and shit.
>>107843600>FWMC twin idols>Nerissadiva singer>Gigistreamer with a variety of content and shines in group settings.I wonder who fits into Holo the most
>>107843684They do good streamsYou know, the reason people who actually enjoy streamers watch them, not some event you can numberfag
>>107843674I'm not going to tell because I don't want you using my oshi or fanbase to start shit but it definitely isn't GG
>>107843684like I said browncorders can only vaguepostthey know ligsluts and shitholes like phase are just copypasting reactwhores that cuck their fans LOL
>>107843684they have freedom to do whatever they want you bootlicker sucker
>>107843657>you're brown so you're into that cuckshit LOOOLKeK!!!
>>107843671It's cute how you can't respond to anything I wrote because you haven't seen a single minute of BeribugI watch V-Tubers, a whole fucking lot of them, and I found them bad and boring save for the ones that actually stuck with me
>>107843699leave caseoh out of it, he doesn't interact much with those retards. Just his chat
>>107843703Fwmc and nerissa
>>107843699>do the same for youtube>top 100 are brazilian priests and the most annoying white people you've ever seen>this doesn't count for some reason
>>107843618>Being entertaining is where modern Hololive really fails, great if you want to feel like part of the winning team, not so great if you care about streamsOh kek it's the fucking cuck who tries to convince anon they're not really happy and they don't like hololive, sad troon>>107843697>>107843704doesn't make them talented or entertaining in any wayi'd watch my oshi even if she was a 3 viewyou only like the idea of indies because you're a cuck who seethe at hololive for 0 reasons
>>107843714Huh guess that explains those thai lesbian shows
>>107843714>literally all brown countriesAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>107843715I don't care about her fucking Minecraft event broNot the biggest fan but I've watched a few of her streams
>>107843671>except>>107843601>exceptAgain, you don’t even have the conviction or knowledge to try to shill your favorites. Actually you don’t even seem to have one, your every mention is >X is like Holo Y, except Holo Y sucks at ZThere is nothing said positively about the girls you’re mentioning, they’re just a pretext to add “Holo girl X suck”
>>107843743I'm not talking about Minecraft you fucking ape holy shit watch streams
>>107843738Would you watch your oshi if she wasn't in Hololive?When I switched from Hololive to indies the amount of streams I watched went up by like 4x
>can't talk about any events or particular stream>can only continue vagueposting because of his turd colored skinM I N D B R O K E NHOLOLIVE WINWONNERED
>>107843709No problem. Opinions on liggers?>>107843671>best thing ligfag can say about their whores is that they stream, and then it's holoseethelmao, even this guy >>107843643 who knows liggers are just basic bitches knows more about them than their supposed fans.Shouldn't surprise me, knowing about a streamer is, like, totally parasocial, and ligfags are definitely above that, right?
>>107843704What good streams? If your indie whore was actually as entertaining and skilled as you claim she'd be getting viewers.
>>107843733Correct. Twitch is exclusively a streaming site, anyone who's already on Twitch right now as vtubers stream there was already on that site to begin with and a fan of at least one of those.YT is just a video platform, people might just be watching cooking recipes or documentaries about polar bears or funny cat videos.
>>107843764Okay selenfag relax, you're going into an all caps rage again
>>107843748>Again, you don’t even have the conviction or knowledge to try to shill your favoritesBecause vtubers are a matter of taste, no point in trying to sell you on something you wouldn't even like
>>107843770the biggest youtube streams are crypto scams and scammer priests. that's the audience hololive appeals to by streaming alongside them.
>>107843766>Opinions on liggers?I don't watch any since they're vastly inferior to Hololive
>shitting on ligsluts niji and phase>"selenfag"piggypag... just because ironlung and zentranny lost that BA collab doesn't mean anyone is going to believe this shit...
>>107843717And food. A lot of food.
>>107843760...are they any better?You're just claiming to watch more. Which makes it seem like you're doing it as a job or an obligation
>>107843769viewcount has nothing to do with talent
>>107843760>When I switched from Hololive to indies the amount of streams I watched went up by like 4xOk, how is that relevant nigger? do you do literally anything else with your life than watching streams? i watch my oshi and then i do something else with my time.>>107843783>Because vtubers are a matter of taste, no point in trying to sell you on something you wouldn't even likeAnd yet here you are swearing that your random whores are totally more entertaining than HologirlsYou're basically braindead
Why has a ligger wandered into here
>>107843802Ah, so it actually is you. Can you just get mass banned so you can swap to your next persona already
>>107843795Good enough for me. Carry on good sir, and now that you're oshit isn't better than mine.
>>107843804>...are they any better?Not as good as peak Hololive for me, but better than current Hololive
>>107843806Can you post their "talents" then, do they sing and dance? do they draw? what are they talented at exactly?
>>107843786scammer have more integrity than asmon or hasan
What the fuck is this thread
>>107843830asmon and hasan are youtubers. that's where they make most of their money.
>>107843795>>107843824>nowshamefur dispray>>107843838ligfags trying to convince others their whores matter
>>107843809Yes I'm pretty confident that there's an indie better than most Holo members at least when it comes to streaming
>>107843783That’s why Hololive thrives and the rest of the industry dies. Fans of the Holo girls make it a point to showcase why they’re their favorites and will recommend you their favorite songs, their favorite streams and the talented ones will create animations, illustrations, cosplay and doujin featuring their favorites to help them grow and find an even bigger audience. You can’t even make the case for any of the girls you mentioned, all you said was “a person exists and Holo girl X sucks”. Again, thats why Hololive is at the top of the mountain: the Holo girls have passionate, talented and prolific fans, not retarded snobs with the behavior you’re showcasing here
>>107843687She probably sold atleast 100k album at this point.
holy shitis this what happens when you point out that browncorders can't point to a single good ligslut?he completely dropped the angle now to just go back to this one that's always failedoof!>>107843838brownpaggies losing yet again
>>107843783>vtubers are a matter of taste, no point in trying to sell you on something you wouldn't even like>now let me shit up the thread telling you that my liggers are better than hololive
Why did Biboo interact with hyde
>>107843849>Fans of the Holo girls make it a point to showcase why they’re their favorites and will recommend you their favorite songs, their favorite streams and the talented ones will create animations, illustrations, cosplay and doujin featuring their favorites to help them grow and find an even bigger audience.No they don't, mostly they just act incredibly insecure and defensive if this thread is anything to go byI
>>107843829For ligfags, not being in holo is the only talent that matters.
>>107843857why do you fuck goats?
>>107843847>Yes I'm pretty confident that there's an indie better than most Holo members at least when it comes to streaminglol so true lets go watch 15 hours of react slop complete with political shit and whatnot, you niggers are like those tard that watch random bimbos in jacuzzis on twitch
>>107843857Probs just saw it on her timeline and replied
>>107843884That kind of vtuber is a small minority
>>107843884>i have only ever watched hololive and asmongold
>>107843857Biboo does what Biboo wants to do
>>107843847That says less than you think it does. Holos do a ton of other things instead of solely being streamers. That's something you twitchtards don't comprehend.
still waiting on an example of any event or specific stream from ligcunts otherwise I think Hololive and HoloGODS WINWONNERSTUNNERDINNERDONNEREDFOREVERANDEVER T B H://///
>>107843868What compels you to spend your life shitting yourself over a thread you hate instead of watching streams>incredibly insecure and defensiveWell if you niggers would stop shitting on hololive for no reason maybe you wouldn't get called niggers>>107843902>>107843906That's like 80% of the "vtuber" ecosystem on twitchThen again i'm still waiting for any examples of "talents" your allegedly "better than hololive" bitches have
>>107843902Not really. Not all, I'll give you that, because the rest are "crab bucket" bitches.
>>107843914That's not the own you think it is, I watch vtubers for a good time not to live vicariously through the accomplishments of someone else, I don't care if their boring concert got 100k views
>>107843926
kekbased as fuck levels of shameless shilling
>>107843938I miss her
>>107843884why is it that the deflection is always "they only do react slop lol". This is 1) not that true some do sure but as an example I know I watch basedpoya vods to see how different they are and she barely changed and most of her streams were gaming streams and 2) this is extremely hypocritical when you consider how much this thread loves the 50 shades watchalong that's coming
>>107843931>Well if you niggers would stop shitting on hololive for no reasonI don't shit on Hololive, I just think it's generally mediocre, so I switched to non-Hololive vtubers
>>107843931>i have only ever watched smugalena
>>107843937If your fun doesn't also stem from watching your idol oshi grow then yeah no shit, you're not the audience for holos to begin with, just go watch your game streams on Twitch and be done with it.Why complain in the first place about something that was never meant to appeal to you?
>>107843949So, are you an antiyuri fag?
>>107843938>>107843946>>107843949>>107843959>>107843963Who the fuck pissed in your cereal today ligtards?
>>107843926>WINWONNERSTUNNERDINNERDONNEREDFOREVERANDEVER T B HSo fucking based
>>107843967People watch Hololive for the streams, don't delude yourself
>>107843977i'm upset about the upcoming hololive graduation so i'm a little on edge sorry
>>107843977All I said was that I miss her
>>107843977
>>107843868Anon, right now you're proving that "meme" that goes around in this place>if you ask a Holo fan about his oshi, he'll come up with a hundred clips, songs, fanart and reasons why he likes her>if you ask fans of the other girls, they'll point out how much better they're than HoloThe main criticism the Holo audience receives for the most part is that they're "Holo only" to an extreme. The ones with Holo living rent free in their heads are, well, everybody else
>>107843946you never watched her
>>107843938>>107843946>>107843949CC is so much happier now, you failed her
>>107843981Speak for yourself, clueless twitchtard. If I only cared about streams and didn't care at all about any of the idol activities, concerts, singing and lives I wouldn't be here and prefer holos to the others out there so much.
>>107843926https://x.com/the93percent/status/2002093989336658164?s=20
>>107843820Someone shit on vshojo and their honor got bruise.
>>107843995If I tell you how much I enjoy my personal favourites, it would mean nothing to you because you don't share the same taste as me
Good morning, I miss Nimi.
KEK KEK KEKA KEKA ROOOOOOO
>>107844001
https://x.com/i/status/2002093989336658164do NOT open thisyou have been warned
>>107844004If Hololive didn't do concerts, Hololive would still existIf Hololive didn't do music, Hololive would still existIf Hololive didn't stream, Hololive would no longer exist
>>107844017I doubt you understand the irony of this post given you're the one going "my indies are so much better than holos"
>>107844001The tribalism is pretty cringe. Also though terminating cliche, I discovered CC through hololive and wasn't there for her indie years, how could I have failed her? It's good that she's happier now, but if I'm completely honest I want more streams from her. But honesty and nuance dosen't matter to whom I'm talking too, it's all my tribe good, if you don't share my viewpoints that means you're from evil tribe and therefore bad. Come on post that pic she wrote after her 3d. I read it multiple times, still warms my heart
>>107844033Damn, connor have to prostitute himself after he got cancelled by the Blue archive community.
>>107844017Funny how you're able to comprehend subjective taste and yet you spend your time seething at people that enjoy something different than yours>>107844034If Hololive would only stream then they'd lose what make them special, aka IdolworkThat's what makes it better by default btw
>>107844034And yet the opposite gets proven true consistently.
LMAOAll I see on twitter are people complaining that the collab had FWMC instead of Subaru.Ruffkeks... turns out JPs don't like your oshi either
>>107844034If holos only streamed and did nothing else they'd be just like all the rest out there and I wouldn't be here. I'm a fan of a whole package, not just parts of it.It's fine to want only streams, just means you were never meant to be part of the audience. Go watch your twitch girls play games all day and be happy instead of throwing a tantrum.
>>107844041If you look at what vtubers offer objectively then for most Holos there's an indie doing the same thing but betterThat's not the same thing as post your fav
>>107843857It’s a chain from response to fubuki tweet
towa
>>107844071FWMC flew too close to the sun, sadly.
>>107844053Nobody is buying it ligtard.>cry about muh tribalismYep, massive cucktard even
the level of narcissistic self-aggrandizement this freak engaged in needs to be studied
>>107844072If Hololive only streamed they'd still be the most popular vtubers
>>107844071>>107844086nijiseethe
>>107844017You are missing the point. When people are passionate about something they make it a point to showcase it to people demonstrating even the tiniest iota of interest.I'll show mine first: I can't stop listening to Okayu's "FLOS". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4muYzftomAEIt's my absolute favourite song of hers and I like it so much I want to share it with everyone to give them the chance to appreciate it as much as I do.I understand people won't like it as much as I do but out of the tiny chance they will I take the chance.There is no shaming in sharing your preferences SPECIALLY in an anonymous place like this. The worst that can happen is people to mock you for your taste but no skin out of your back, sticks and stones and all that jazz.
It's always fucking funny to me that "I want my oshi to stream more" seems to be considered a fucking anti. Like genuinely how did we fucking get here
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>107844071KEKKAROOOO!
>>107844105>When people are passionate about something they make it a point to showcase it to people demonstrating even the tiniest iota of interest.If they're autistic perhaps, that has nothing to do with my point though
>>107844107You're mixing up "I want her to stream more" with "I only care about streams, all this idol shit is cringe yo frfr"
>>107844071Kek, fwmc going to have to go back to their na fans. Oh wait
>>107844071I love how ruffians still delude themselves thinking FWMC is popular anywhere
Stop samefagging retard
>>107844076>If you look at what vtubers offer objectively then for most Holos there's an indie doing the same thing but betterNo indie out there is my oshi, has my oshi's voice, has my oshi's personality or interestHoly shit you niggers keep on calling us drones yet you can't fucking comprehend this very basic thingYou don't choose your oshis, nigger>some random cunt i don't care about might sing better than her somewhereI don't fucking care she ain't her
uh oh indoggy is big big BIG mad I see!
>>107843857I don’t think she’s as chill as people make her out to be. She replies to a lot of pregnant/giving birth art of herself, and she even threatened to draw Mori pregnant when Mori disagreed with her
>>107844107>Like genuinely how did we fucking get hereNerissa debuted in 2023
>>107844099I'm at a loss here. You seem to be implying that there is ANY vtuber group more popular than Hololive but I'll be hard pressed to find one even close to that.Specially as an ensemble, I doubt there is ANY group of live streamers (let alone vtubers) with as many channels with a four digits average CCV and as many with 1M+ subs on YouTube.
>>107844141ruffkek...
>>107844145>No indie out there is my oshi, has my oshi's voice, has my oshi's personality or interestYes, but that's subjective not objectiveThere's no point in discussing personal taste
>>107844071You can stop samefagging your post nijitranny
>>107844107skill issue
>>107843938sooo that's a non-answerHololive WINWONNEREDFOREVERRRRRR then://////////////////////////>>107844006yikesglad this fag lost that BA collab KEK
>>107844132uh oh this monkey is REALLY mad FWMC are part of the mikoclique now
>>107844113he's right you know
So fwmc didn't even hit 5k on their collab?
>>107844158>You seem to be implying that there is ANY vtuber group more popular than HololiveThat's the exact opposite of what I said
>>107844124>that has nothing to do with my point thoughIt has to do with my point which is: every example anon put forward shows that he doesn't really care about any of them, every single one was just >name mention>Holo girl X sucks at YAnon is showing that his whole interest in this conversation is to try to put Hololive girls down without showing any interest in any of the girls he mentioned.
>>107844107Gura graduated, we currently have no EN girls who aren't streaming just because they are lazy now. If they aren't streaming is because they are working on other projectsIf you were a fan of them you would know that but you're not so you're just sperging out
>>107844161>There's no point in discussing personal tasteThat's what you've been doing saying that modern hololive isn't entertaining for an hour when what's entertaining or not is subjective You pathetic braindead niggerYou know what's objective? numbers, just so happens that hololive get those, your ligshit doesn't
>>107844170you lost, phasecuck.
You can cry, you can scream, you can thrash.FWMC always wins.
>>107844071Subaru is attaching herself to Peko now so she doesn't have time for Dochin anymore.
>>107844173They did, actually
>>107844156Otomos are starting to evolve into Jailbirds, just need to wait for NTRtomos to appear to complete the transformation
indoggy piggypag confirmed to not watch streams yet again ;^)>>107844193TRVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVKEROOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>107844183ERB...
>>107844177Ah, my bad. "they'd still be the most popular" got just the right kind of ambiguity that threw me into the "they would still be as opposed of what they're now"Nevermind, move along
>>107844192phase is a vtuber agency too
>>107844164I didn't reply to my own post.You're just upset about reality
>>107844193This rv collab just showed that the fans are there to see the jp girls, not fwmc. When you split the POVs, fwmc gets shafted
>>107844182I never said I was interested in them, I'm talking about this objectively>>107844188Talent can be looked at objectively but it requires a certain amount of intellectual maturity which I'm not sure anyone here has
>man I don't care about any idol bullshit or concerts or performances or anything other than just playing games>hmmm what should I watch>I know, I'll go with the 1% of streamers out there who do all those things instead of the 99% who don't>And then I'll complain and bitch and piss my pants too!
>>107844099Yeah if only they streamed as much as an indie like Saba.
>>107844208Not Holo also she does stream, unfortunately
>>107844221Moco-santa beating 2023 and 2024's numbers was due to the JP girls too?
>>107843646who's your oshi?
>>107844223>Talent can be looked at objectivelyAnd i've been asking for a long ass time for you to post about the supposed talents of your liggers, you didn't, cause you can'tWhat you are is a threadshitting cuck salty that hololive wonnered, that's why you spend hours seething here
>>107844226the indoggy piggypaggot doesn't watch streams thougheverbeit
>>107843733>most popular things on YouTube are literally most popular things in the worldRun roh what is bezos doing why did he buy Dan Clancy a dating app
>>107844193>bragging about 600k yenback when they had NA fans 600k would be a regular stream average
POST THE FUCKING NUMBERS NIGGERS
>>107844240>>107844254
>>107844246I gave a few examples of streamers who were similar to existing Hololive members but better
>>107844251Calm down blud
>>107844223>I never said I was interested in themThat makes it even worse, moves you from "people interested in some vtubers as opposed to those in Hololive" into "people that aren't even interested in vtubers, only with an axe to grind with regards to Hololive" aka a run of the mill HoloanThat makes this conversation lose any interest for me, carry on
>>107844221>FWMC get lower numbers compared to FBK, Mio and MikoOh no... I bet they are crying right now about this...
>>10784426858437503
>you now remember kekmouse running away scared of Hololive on Holoday
>>107843646so true sis real holochads shit on other holos!
>>107844221no shit jp fans are going to watch jp girls it started at 8am US
how does a blue dog and a pink dog cause a shitskin to have such a long lasting MELTBROWN?just how?is it because they had two 3Ds that more than 2x'd ironlung's peak CCV?oof..................>>107844290this KEK
>>107844280I'm interested in vtubers, I'm just not talking about vtubers I'm personally interested inYou're too stupid to follow this conversation
>>107844226>1%Is that FWMC ccv compared to bibooKEKAROO
All of you need a new hobby.Every last one of you. You take all this shit too seriously.
>>107844298>:50HAYAI! Luxiem anniversary is coming, no? What day will it be, can it get gold?(or was it today? MASAKA!)
>>107844298>nijunk bots can't even beat a fucking sponsored stream nowGRIM GRIMMMMMMMM GRIMMERS BROTHERS GRIMMMMMMMMMM
>>107844283>en fans would rather watch other girls in a collab than fwmc>jp fans would rather watch other girls in a collab than fwmcTHEY ARE
>>107844291ummm based?
>>107844223>Talent can be looked at objectivelyYou talked about "entertainment", you slimy faggot, you talked about something subjective, someone without any talent can be funny, the most talented artist in the world can be the most boring cunt that ever wasYour IQ is very low and the only thing mature about you is the mold in your head>>107844273They were not in any way and they were nothing like the hologirls you listed, at all, i've yet to see any "talents" All in all i'm gonna have to assume you're just mad at this thread because >we do not care about the people you allegedly care about, and i'm being generous when the most probable reality is that you're just a nigger who hates hololive because it's poppularAnd you spend your days seething here over it
RAORAAAA PLEASEEE I WILL SACRIFICE EVERY SINGLE ANON IN THIS THREAD FOR A SINGLE TWEET
>>107843806There's a reason I said entertaining AND skilled, my liggerbrown chap.
>>107844301Whenever you wonder why someone is mad at FWMC again, check if they recently did something like a successful 3D live or a collab with holoJPs or get a sponsorship for something or win vtuber of the year
>>107844314It already happened, and as you can see, not very good numbers.
>>107844321yea right? we should watch some phase connect members as well!
>>107844311I'm on the shitter and nothing is happening
>>107844327TRVVVVVVVVVKE
>>107844303Yeah yeah anon, here is the summary of the conversation so far>Girl X is just like Holo Y except Holo Y suck>I'm not really interested or even watch Girl X (or any of the ones I mentioned)>I'm a dispassionate observer with an object take on what's good and what's not and in every case Holo is the "not"That's not really the most intellectual take and lost my interest completely. You can carry on with the rest of the anons
>>107844324Talent as an entertainer isn't actually subjective
>>107844334no!
>>107844298DEC 2025 EN GOLD12/1 - Calliope - Dragon Ball Z Kakarot: 20,06812/2 - Calliope - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 27,48712/3 - Bijou - Dead Space 3: 10,93612/4 - Kaelix - Zatsu: 12,11212/5 - Calliope - Dragon Ball Z Kakarot: 21,41612/6 - FUWAMOCO - Kanji Learning: 17,92812/7 - IRyS - No, I'm Not Human: 15,43912/8 - Bijou - Batman Arkham City: 11,98012/9 - IRyS - Routine: 12,69212/10 - Bijou - Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2: 26,08712/11 - Gigi - The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion Remastered: 11,57912/12 - Bijou - The Game Awards Watchalong: 28,60012/13 - IRyS - Routine: 64,65012/14 - Bijou - PEAK: 13,51112/15 - FUWAMOCO - Offcollab Karaoke: 28,28912/16 - IRyS - Dispatch: 18,15212/17 - Bijou - Karaoke Practice: 11,90312/18 - IRyS - Dispatch: 16,84912/19 - Kronii - Dispatch: 12,43312/20 - Bijou - Warframe: 8,950PER COMPANY19x: Hololive English1x: Nijisanji EnglishHOLOLIVE ENGLISH WINS ALL 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW.HOLOLIVE ENGLISH COMPLETES A STREAK OF 16 CONSECUTIVE DAILY GOLDS WON, THEIR RECORD ON 2025 IS 17.PER STREAMER7x: Bijou5x: IRyS3x: Calliope2x: FUWAMOCO1x: Kronii, Gigi, Kaelix
>>107843977shondocucks got confirmation they were cucked
indoggy piggypaggot STILL can't post an example of an """""entertaining ligslut"""""siiiiiiiiiiigh.....
>>107844344>>I'm a dispassionate observer with an object take on what's good and what's not and in every case Holo is the "not"Yes, that's the only way you can have an intelligent discussion, "I like X so X is better than Y" is just retarded
>>107843733anon Youtube is so fucking massive compared to Twitch that you just look dumb doing "no u" to that anon, most of holo viewers started watching streaming content with hololive, unlike Twitch which is streams platform
>>107844345>Talent as an entertainer isn't actually subjectiveYes it is niggertard, it's entirely rellyable on what you like and the personality you have as a viewer, you can find someone funny or not and the next person can feel the oppositeAre you fucking 12?
JWU what happened to fwmc's ccv?
>>107844318>THEY AREClearly making you seethe by just existingAlso it's funny because you botted the other girls during the Mimesis collab and yet FWMC vod is the one with most views
>>107844350Wait I'm a fucking idiot that's not Biboo that's KRONII
>>107844306>returns to holo vs holoeven the ligger tranny knows his oshits are absolutely worthless
>>107844378>his oshits are absolutely worthlessBUT ENOUGH ABOUT FUWAMOCO
>>107844364anon you're literally trying to argue that the kids who watch kai cenat are the same as vtuberfags. we all know that isn't true. get a grip. they're big websites with a varied userbase.
>>107844344Anon. Yes I watched 4 clips of Girl X that I saw on twitter. Yes I will say Girl X is better than Holo Y. Don't ask me why I still watch more of Holo Y than I did with Girl X. Don't ask me why my total watch time for Girl X is 7 minutes
>>107844365Just because you subjectively dislike an entertainer doesn't mean they aren't objectively talented
>>107844372>Also it's funny because you botted the other girls during the Mimesis collab and yet FWMC vod is the one with most viewsreal shit?BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHA
>>107844373nigga how can you get confused with that massive ass she has?
>>107844350DEC 2025 EN SILVER12/1 - Nimi - Dispatch: 11,83812/2 - Luca - Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree: 16,75012/3 - Seible - Valorant: 10,56012/4 - Nimi - Dispatch: 11,58012/5 - Seible - Pokemon Legends ZA: 9,69112/6 - Bijou - Elden Ring The Forsaken Hollows: 13,20812/7 - Bijou - Elden Ring The Forsaken Hollows: 9,32812/8 - Calliope - DBZ Kakarot: 11,45312/9 - Cecilia - Resident Evil 6: 10,25012/10 - Shiori - Grandblue Fantasy Versus: 13,38612/11 - Kronii - Powerwash Simulator 2: 11,23712/12 - Ina'nis - Zatsu: 10,87312/13 - Calliope - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 15,49112/14 - Meloco - Stardew Valley: 9,06812/15 - Calliope - Dragon Ball Z Kakarot: 13,89112/16 - Ina'nis - Monster Hunter Wilds + Outfit Reveal: 14,04612/17 - Aia - Divinity Original Sin 2: 11,04212/18 - Bijou - Honkai Star Rail: 11,07112/19 - Baelz - Dispatch: 8,30512/20 - Kronii - Lorelei and the Laser Eyes: 8,225PER COMPANY11x: Hololive English5x: Nijisanji English2x: IndiePER STREAMER2x: Ina'nis, Calliope, Bijou, Kronii, Nimi, Seible1x: Baelz, Shiori, Luca, Meloco, Aia
>>107844394Kek, GOTTEM
>>107843824>and now that you're oshit isn't better than mine.
Henya can't catch a break.
>>107844373they have the same ass and tits size it's easy to be confused
>>107844345>Talent as an entertainer isn't actually subjectiveThis is the cognitive level of the nigger who's been seething and shitting up the thread for 2 hours BTW>>107844400Except that "being an entertainer" isn't a talent and you still have not shown any supposed "talents"
>>107844399>Yes I watched 4 clips of Girl X that I saw on twitter.I have watched more than 6 hours of the vtubers I've mentioned
>>107844406DEC 2025 EN BRONZE12/1 - Wilson - Minecraft: 9,70312/2 - Wilson - Minecraft: 13,44512/3 - Calliope - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 10,49812/4 - Freodore - Elden Ring Nightreign: 11,56212/5 - Kaelix - Animal Crossing: 9,69112/6 - Seible - Work Stream: 10,09512/7 - Seible - Valorant: 7,56112/8 - Cecilia - Expedition 33: 8,67812/9 - Filian - Minecraft: 7,19512/10 - Gigi - Honkai Star Rail: 6,76612/11 - Kiara - Arknights Endfield: 10,80312/12 - Nimi - The Game Awards Watchalong: 10,83812/13 - Gigi - Grandblue Fantasy Versus: 14,18212/14 - Nimi - Vampire the Masquerade: 9,06812/15 - Bijou - Expedition 33: 7,48012/16 - Bijou - Monster Hunter Wilds + Outfit Reveal: 9,44512/17 - Kaelix - Animal Crossing: 10,72512/18 - Nimi - Hitman: 7,45812/19 - Gigi - Honkai Star Rail: 7,55012/20 - Shu - Outfit Reveal + Anniversary Stream: 7,725PER COMPANY8x: Hololive English8x: Nijisanji English3x: IndiePER STREAMER3x: Gigi, Nimi2x: Bijou, Wilson, Seible, Kaelix1x: Cecilia, Kiara, Filian, Shu
so... what is this raid about what is happening?
>constantly shitting on fwmc>they are above luxiemNaruhonedu
>>107843838idk smells like falseflag and playing both sides. No one is that insane of a cultist. Not even interns shill this hard
>>107844423saying browncorders like the indoggy piggpag have a cognitive level at all is a bit of a stretch t b h
>>107844423>Except that "being an entertainer" isn't a talentYes it is, like being an actor or a comedian
>>107844396the kids who watch Asmongold definitely watch Twitch vtubers, Forsen still got tricked to watch vtubers clips sometimes
It looks like people are starting to wise up and notice indies are out delivering content while Hololive sleeps or runs awayHolotik holotok holokeks
>>107844401
https://x.com/OshiPushGame/status/2002085198260036025
>>107844298Nimi 5,999
>>107844425>I have watched more than 6 hours of the vtubers I've mentionedWOW WOW WOW WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWBACK OFF ANONSWE GOT ONE HELL OF A STREAM WATCHER HEREBtw i've watch 500hours of my Oshi's stream this year alone
how do we save Nerissa from this garbage human being?
>>107844435botted too >>107844430 and STILL lost to FWMC AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA>>107844454BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Anons, just for heads up I'm going to shit on FWMC and Biboo to distract you from the dwindling numbers of my nijishitter
>>107844447>asmonfags watch vtubers>source: a completely different streamer's fans?
>>107844457Humiliation ritual
*DECEMBER 20TH FINAL EN TALLY*>8,950: Bijou (Hololive English)>8,225: Kronii (Hololive English)>7,725: Shu (Nijisanji English)>7,359: Baelz (Hololive English)>5,999: Nimi (Indie)>5,188: Gigi (Hololive English)>5,168: FUWAMOCO (<3) (Hololive English)The worst Luxiem anniversary to date in terms of numbers. Gold for Koseki Bijou's sponsored playthrough of Warframe, Silver for Ouro Kronii's second playthrough of Lorelei and the Laser Eyes, Bronze for Shu Yamino's outfit reveal plus Luxiem's fourth annivesary celebration stream.>RANKING PER POINTS (Gold = 3, Silver = 2, Bronze = 1)Bijou = 29pIRyS, Calliope = 15pKronii, Nimi = 7pFUWAMOCO, Gigi, Seible = 6pKaelix = 5pIna'nis = 4pCecilia = 3pBaelz, Shiori, Luca, Wilson, Meloco, Aia = 2pKiara, Freodore, Shu, Filian = 1p
>>107844444>Yes it is, like being an actor or a comedianAnd there are shitty untallented actors and comedian, and it's still in the realm of subjectivity for the most part except on a technical levelShitskin shouldn't try and larp as pseudo intellectuals when they have piss for brains
>>107844489this can't be a real language
>>107844372>everyone else was bottedok now you lost the plot, fwmc always get high churn and vod views
>>107844451Is this about IRyS?
>doxxuh oh melty
>>107844486>and it's still in the realm of subjectivity for the most partNo, your enjoyment of it is subjective, their ability is notIt's not that hard to understand
>>107844455Why are they trying leech of this
Wait is all of this bullshit really just because Luxiem had their worst all time numbers?
>>107844513That's the technical level part you fucking illiterate nigger
>>107844505>Vsinger>Integrated into Promise AZKi, dude
>>107844451Jarvis, do your thing!
>>107844505It's about jerking off with two fingers cuz a hand is too big
>>107844350>DEC 2025 EN GOLD>12/20 - Bijou - Warframe: 8,950ironmouse got more viewers than this playing warframe today actually
>0 gold>maximum seethe
>>107844503Their vod ccv was higher than every other vod 2 hours after the stream.You telling me that all the ruffians missed the stream live but started watching right after it finished?Fuck off, retard
>>107844513If enjoyment is subjective then their ability is also subjective of the crowd, retardo
>>107844537I thought so
>>107844536Being an entertainer isn't very technical
>>107844451surely this guy is not phasefag right? surely we're not going to see comments on phasewhores from this fella
>>107844547 (me)had* Higher views*
>>107844363I would agree with you but it takes at least a passing familiarity with the people you are using as examples to be able to objectively use them as evidence for your claims.Your behaviour right now reminds me of this story>There was a 17th-century Neapolitan nobleman who fought over 20 duels and killed 14 people all because he was defending his opinion on whether Dante or Ariosto was the better Italian poet. >On his deathbed he admitted he’d never even read a single line of their poetryThe initial claims here were bold one. First (at >>107843284)>The indie scene is better than the Holo scene these days, there's just more good talentand then another claim (at >>107843422)>For pretty much every Hololive member there's an indie who does it betterThey can't be attributed to the same anon or to you yourself (this being an anonymous forum and all) but it was the starting point for this, with anons pointing out their favorites and anon putting forward names that were "just like Holo girl X, except the Holo girls sucks".You are correct that one could make a judgement of merit without being passionate but one can't possibly make one without being KNOWLEDGEABLE and you so far demonstrated no to be either about the Holo girls nor about the names you're putting forward.It's just a pseudo intellectual and roundabout way to say >hololive girls suck!and less entertaining too
>>107844479source asmongold keep getting told about vtubers news/drama and linked vtubers clips by his chat?
https://x.com/batoloco_knzw/status/2002329872711188666
Fuwamoco are so popular mostly for being unique in EN, debuting into a branch in turmoil as the beacon of JP culture that EN was missing. They attracted the Japanese ojisans to the branch at a time when their only options were girls who almost never streamed in JP hours In JP they are Yet Another Hololive Channel. Lovable as any but not unique. Do the Japanese fans get surprised when a JP knows sm9? Do they get surprised when a JP can speak Japanese?That there was a Hololive for them to join at all is due to EN existing, as they were not making it into JP itself while still living in the NWP. It’s sad for me to see them so eager to forget the senpais who created an EN environment they could thrive in and be so successful in. And for the first time in the branch not then giving back for the sake of girls who will debut after them
>>107844534When in doubt it's always cucklings
>>107844549Wrong, think hard about what you said
>>107844542Really? Lemme check-oh jesus fucking christ
>>107844460I can't help but look at ERB with sadness. She is so behind in streams it's actually disappointing
>doxxnijinig or phasecuck? place your bets!
>>107844557Therefore it's mostly subjective. Still waiting for you to provide any examples of "talented" entertainers that do it better than the hologirls because after checking your shitlist there is nothing noteworthy. Cuck.
>>107844451>retard got btfo hard he could only respond with emojipathetic.
>>107844566>but it takes at least a passing familiarity with the people you are using as examples to be able to objectively use them as evidence for your claims.I told you, I've watched the ones I mentioned for at least 6 hours
>>107844542>twitch numbers
>>107844576>connor helppp!
>>107844576CANNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
I love how the bludpag persona comes out when he gets really really upset
>FWMC seethe>ESLEvery time.
>>107844591>Therefore it's mostly subjectiveNope
>>107844596You can't be the same anon and is someone else pulling my legIt was funny too, reminds me of the euro anon boasting about having a lifetime expenditure on his oshi of about 300 euros or so
>>107844585Anon just for heads up. I will shit on FWMC and Biboo or instigate holo vs holo to distract you from my phaseshitter and nijishitters dwindling numbers
>>107844538>>107844561
>>107844576>the entirety of shitch raiding her and she BARELY scrapes out ahead of a SPONSORED Hololive streamGRIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGRIMGRIMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>107844574If 100 people watching the current entertainer don't like the entertainer, then that's 100% of the audience that hated it. That's a bad entertainer. The next day they could have a different 100 people that liked the entertainer. Suddenly they're now a good entertainer. Their abilities to entertain is now subjective to the crowd watching.
>>107844623GODFUCKING DAMMIT WITH THOSE PEOPLE
>>107844451>>107844561>>107844623EVERYSINGLETIME
>>107844625What issue may Mumei, Raora, Bae, and Mococo cause?
>>107844623every time
>>107844623why is it ALWAYS nijiphaseligshitskins?
>>107844621Watching a vtuber for 6 hours is more than enough time to know how good they are, they aren't MMOs, they don't get good 100 hours in
>>107844614>Ruffians>ProjectingEvery time.
>>107844615Yes it is, not only that but literally the only thing that matters is your own personal enjoyement of the content you're watching, thereforemy oshi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything elseAnd i quite frankly don't give a shit about your shit tastes or whatever cunt i can't even name you're allegedly a fan ofThat whole things comes down to >you seething about things i enjoy while not caring about your trash>>107844623LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>1078445765,921 viewers just from the raids you showedSo realistically over 60% of "her viewership" is from raids. This stream was a 4k stream at best.
>>107844623im so surprised about this information
>>107844623I should make a twitter account just to repost antis getting exposed.
>>107844663>shitskin so mad he had to reply to thatlol
>>107844623EVERY TIME
>>107844642Let me use an exampleThere's a guy who builds bridgesHe builds a bridge from England to FranceBut everyone wanted a bridge from England to NorwayDoes that make him a bad bridge builder?
>>107844663Is a "no u" type response the best you can manage, brownoid?
Bae's card is selling at 13k
>>107844662You lost me anon, now you're just pulling my leg. Move along
>>107844614>>107844683the only ESL here was the guy defending fwmc
>>107844683thanks for proving my point retard
>>107844667whoa whoa whoa nowlet's not forget that twitch bots also make up at least 50% of any given streamer's ccv on there and more of a chunk for mouseyrealistically it's more like 1-2k tops
>>107844451>>107844561AIEEEEEEEEEEEE, phase not beating the allegation.
>>10784466690% of human skill and achievement exists in the area between purely technical and objective and your subjective personal taste and you're pretending that it doesn't exist
>>107844705>>107844707look at the mad cucks lmfao
>>107844700>13kOh shit>YenOh yawn
So now that vtubing is dead whats next?
>>107844689If he's being judged as a bridge builder, no. But he's an awful project manager for completely misreading the desires of the potential audience.A vtuber is a whole lot more than a "product manufacturer" and one of the biggest qualities of a vtuber, maybe the biggest "talent" they need is to be able to read and real time react to the needs of their INTERACTIVE audience.
>>107844701No I'm not pulling your leg, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, you sound like you're high on the smell of your own farts
>>107844725>cucksbut you're the fwmc fan
>>107844700how the fuck is that art matsuri
>>107844739Well at least you understand now that being an entertainer exists objectively as a skill regardless of the perception of their audience
>>107844681its weird that no one has done that yet, bcz is insane thow many times we have these blacked obsessed cuck faggots shitting on holos for no reason
>>107844623>shitstirring faggot>Cross emoji in username>VPN location set as a European countryOdds this is a spic?
>>107844689>Does that make him a bad bridge builder?yes
>>107844716>exists in the area between purely technical and objective and your subjective personal taste and you're pretending that it doesn't existThe only thing that matters is what you personaly get out of the content you watch, anything else is irrelevantMy oshi's sweet, talented and funny, i care for her stuff and i don't need anything elseTherefore you and your angles and taste are not relevant to the conversation
>>107844738Hololive English 1 2 3 4 and 5
>oshi's connor's gf>calling anyone else a cuckpiggypag...
>>107844741I'll spell it at length then. Six hours is between two and four live streams for a typical vtuber, watching that much doesn't give you even passing familiarity with the content she's putting forward.
>>107844707You have no point, you're an ugly subhuman seething about weeb dogs on 4chan. Your life is worthless.
>>107844768Anon you can just go to his youtube channel and listen to his voice.
>>107844777That's wonderful but it has nothing to do with the topic of conversation
>>107844705>>107844753You wrote an entire paragraph of seethe and couldn't bother to make it look like you aren't an ESL freak, keep coping turdie.Mindbroken by dogs.
>>107844762I am not the anon in your response chain and that post was my only response to the topic. I disagree that "objective" is the correct word to describe the ability to measure "entertainment value" mostly because the typical definition varies enough to be a case by case person by person thing.That's the reason "entertainment for kids" is different from "entertainment for adults", kids will spend hours looking at bright colours and jiggling keys but an adult will definitely not consider that entertaining
>>107844791>watching that much doesn't give you even passing familiarity with the content she's putting forward.It absoultely does if you pick a proper sample, like multiple streams about different things2 hours of regular content is really all you need to see honestly
>>107844689I won’t speak for bridge builders but as a software engineer, someone who builds a great feature that nobody uses is indeed a bad engineer. Market fit is incredibly important and makes or breaks startups. It is even more inexcusable in major corporations that have Product teams who do the market research to tell us what users want. Ignoring that to build what I want to build would make me a very unemployed engineer very fast.
>>107844823The key point here is that your ability and peoples perceptions of the result of your ability are completely different things
>>107844711great fanfic!
>>107844547>higher churnand their stream crashed so the ccv wasn't refelcted accuratelycalling the other holos botted when everything looked natty just to prove a point to some thread shitter is stupid
>>107844827That's one of the reasons your opinion is disregarded so casually here, you are doubling down on that stupidity in a place where people spend six hours a day watching at VTUBER CHARTS alone, let alone vtuber streams.
>browncorder saying he literally doesn't watch streamsI still remember that niggit post someone screencapped where a ligtranny was projecting about HoloGODS being clipwatchers LMFAOOOOever the finger pointers, eh?
>>107844843>changing his angle and pretending he's not the shitposter nowstop wasting money on bots
>>107844852I've watched thousands of hours of vtubers, I've watched thousands of hours of a single vtuber, saying you can't get the general vibe of a vtuber in a few hours is just ignorant
>>107844797It has everything to do with it since your whole thing is pretending that indies are totally doing things better than the hologirls yet you can't post anyit has everything to do with it since it's all about your shitty feelings and the simple fact that most people itt don't give a shit or even can name the people you're pretending to be a fan offyou're both a mental cuck and a faggot and trying to wrapped your seething in pseudo-intellectual bullshit isn't going to make you any less of a retardthe only reason you're even in this thread to begin with is your hate for hololive and the hate you have for people that don't care about what you """enjoy""""now seethe and dilate while i go out grab some groceries
>>107844840 (me)sorry, meant to >>107844572
>>107843343nimiseethe nimischizo
>>107844827>>107844875>2 hours of regular content is really all you need to see honestlyHAHAHHAHAHAHA this nigger
>>107844876>pretending that indies are totally doing things better than the hologirls yet you can't post anyI already did, it was one of the first things I posted
>>107844681>>107844766you literally will get swarmed with "i don't fucking care" "get a life dude" "nobody cares" and etc, same if you do it with beggars shitting on the girls or nijitrannies shitting on holo
What's the seethe of today about?
>>107844561>>107844623If you ask r/kurosanji though, they'll just say it's a small handful of bad actors or that you're imagining it
>>107844839You are talking about "abilities" in general, I'm talking about entertainment in particular. Entertainment is strictly subjective. What entertain some (like children) doesn't entertain others (like adults) and the only way to measure it objectively would be a headcount, "how many people or a particular group are entertained by this" because, otherwise, it is just "I like / I dislike this"
>>107844902i checked and i've seen nothing noteworthy at alldo you even know what hololive is about, cuck
Youtube is 100% doing some fuckery with FWMC ccv.A 5.1k ccv stream doesn't get 51k views after 1hr
>>107844623Is this the "EARLY LIFE" check for vtuber fans?
>>107844865if you think a 2 hour 4.5k stream with 6k likes is botted then you're insane
>>107844919There are objective skills and qualities when it comes to being an entertainer or a streamerI can see a streamer I don't like and still acknowledge that they're a good streamer
>>107844910seething at Hololive, same shit different day with the piggypaggot
>>107844909>you literally will get swarmed with "i don't fucking care" "get a life dude" "nobody cares"Very weird for someone to go out of their way to interact with an account they could just mute or block to say "I don't care"Also I will link their twitter and youtube profile every time they have one, for fun!
>>107844876Remind the class who has more watch hours again? Indies or Hololive?
>>107844923>i've seen nothing noteworthy at allwell yeah cause you didn't watch their streams you aren't very bright are you
>>107844932they're culledyoutube is cracking down on adblockers again and it's affecting ublock more than ever
>>107844967Post noteworthy things they did then anonI can post a list of stuff my oshi didFrom covers to orisongs to events to streams i find particularly entertaining etc etcI'll wait nigger
>>107844306after 2024, Biboo carried on the botted torch in Advent
>>107844932That is completely normal… Are you new?
>>107844967Who’s streams?
>>107844960>Indies or Hololive?HololiveMigo and PegorAre you okay
>>107844990I could post particular streams I enjoyed but that's subjective so I don't see the point
>>107844956you will probably get banned for harassment or something like that, i will not stop you tho, also it's funny that this happens with anyone but when it's a holofan doing it everyone would start shitting on them, it's like a "us vs the world" thing
Everyone seems to be wearing black jackets this winter. Not me.
>>107844945>I can see a streamer I don't like and still acknowledge that they're a good streamerTrue but the topic is "entertainment value" and that's strictly subjective. Being a good streamer has a whole lot more than just entertainment value and I agree with you that determining whether one is a "good streamer" or not is objective. My only disagreement is that "entertainment value" is an object metric
ah now the piggypaggot is back to seething about Biboo, then he'll probably loop back to IRyS and then back to FWCM to start all over again
>>107844576>hololive talents never get view boosts from other creatorskek
>>107845021What are you wearing
>>107845021>Everyone seems to be wearing black jackets this winter.As opposite to what? Isn't that pretty much standard menwear?
>>107845004Hell, even BIBOO can thrash most indies in watch hours save for Mouse who downright abuses Twitch's flawed system with garbage content.
>>107845011Exactly, they are subjectivly better than hololive to >youAnd nobody cares, nobody asked and if you want to bring up objective things, you cannot, because they have not done anything noteworthyI can post about things my oshi has done this year, you can't post shit at all
>>107844932
>>107845025>but the topic is "entertainment value"No, the topic is skill as an entertainerValue is subjective
>unironically posting about watch hoursbad enough>comparing cross platformembarrassing
>>107845052>a clearly botted stream from 2023Surely you have an actual point you were trying to make care to actually explain it
>>107845051No I'm saying they're objectively betterYou aren't intelligent enough for this conversation
>check threadoh, you guys were fighting with the dude, he's a literal vshojo cocksucker and hates holo, if it's the same one he also tried to shill vshojo in the old kson thread and the rest of ksonfags would try to ignore him
>>107845088>Shill V-Shojo on the Kson thread>Shill the company that didn't pay her for 4 months and treated her like a mouthpiece and a spyJesus Christ
>>107844909i mean yeah, the same retards responsible of it will try diminish it and say is a nothing burger/nobody cares, but i know ppl will look into it and notice the patternbut i guess most of holochads would rather support our oshis (as we should)
>>107845084it's funny how seeing the stream immediately breach 10k causes the piggypag to just sperg out like that lol he really does never changesad!
>>107844994>That is completely normalShiori stream from 2 weeks ago, so a lot more than just 1hr, 4.7k ccv.
What's the deal with FWMC's likes/CCV ratio? Are they getting screwed by youtube again?
>>107845085>No I'm saying they're objectively betterIf they were you would be able to explain in what way they are, what they do differently, what they are accomplishing, but you can't do that because you're just a thread shitting cuck who hates hololive and all you can do is spew random non-sense
>>107845099that was in the old kson thread, like 1 or 2 years ago(?), dude was fucking annoying, like a combination of nijitranny(defending corpo) and phasefag(shilling corpo and friends)
>>107845110Are you saying their viewer demographics for a stream at this time of day are the same as Shiori’s at the heart of North American evening? That is insane
>>107845088>>107845136Well to be fair i've been saying he's nothing but a nigger who hates hololive and that's the only reason he's here seething to begin with.
>>107845118hoshigami twins are better than fuwamoco because they do the twin thing without having their very strange personalities
>>107845116They've been getting screwed by culls and shadowbans for over a year
>>107845161>without having their very strange personalitiesthat's entirely subjectivecucktard
im not a takodachi but i will have sex with the woman behind inanis
>>107845176I could say some objective things about their personalities but that would probably make people upset
>>107845188Oh by all means, drop your shitty mask, it's better than that retarded disingenuous dance you've been doing for 2 hours, cuck
>>107845116they put up frames 2 days in advance and have a very large fanbase that is spread out across different timezones
>>107845153So your argument is that people missed fwmc stream live but were watching it during the hr right after it ended and it all got reflected by youtube?A 5.1k ccv stream doesn't result in a 50k views vod in just one hour.Hell the simple fact that their stream went from 1k likes before it started to 7k BEFORE it ended alone should tell you there were obviously more than 5.1k people there.
>>107845204It doesn't matter, the point is they're a more enjoyable watch unless you're a maligant weeb who pretends to be Japanese
again piggypag cute aggression is a symptom of being a brown/tranny btw
>>107845186that's no woman, those are tentacles
>>107845161i only watch my clockwife but i find every interactions she has with the doggies very endearing, then again i'm a person and i'm white so i can't really relate to brownoids like you>>107845221hololive is a jap company, vtubing is a jap hobby, begone you hobby tourist nigger
>>107845210the frame had around 1k likes when they started itthe frame being up for 2 days still doesn't explain it
>>107845237FUWAMOCO COLLAB WHEN? or just Mococo at least?
>maligantThat's not even a word, why is he this upset?
>>107845221Uh oh cuck melty
Is this the brazilian that got banned by FWMC? Because he sure sounds like him.
>>107845188>>107845221>the fag shitting up the thread for the last 2 hours is a FWMC anti who hates japanHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>107845269Who?
>maligantAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN HE'S BROWN BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Im going to cry if kanata does come back
will vivi pretend to be my gf in that christmas asmr
>>107845161>hoshigami twinsI remember when they tried to shit on FWMC on twitterHow did that work out for their career afterwards?
>>107845269Yes I will shit on FWMC holofag. I want to distract you from my nijishitter and phaseshitters dwindling numbers
>>107845269tldr: a ligtranny
>>107845291Truth be told people don't know them now and didn't before.
>>107841139all the better to sniffa my dear
why the fuck am i balding at 20 dude what the fuck
>>107845036its dark outside, almost 5pm>>107845043calm down goth
>>107845291qrd?
>>107845266That guy still likes them and blames the entire incident on cover at least he did when I checked on his twitter couple months ago. He still a patreon member too
>>107845293You forgot the green whore's dwindling numbers too
>>107845291>I remember when they tried to shit on FWMC on twitterThey didn't
>>107845309Just get really buff and shave your head
>>107841115Why do all of the loudest FWMC antis /here/ all have oshis(probably larps) that love FWMC?
>>107845237>hololive is a jap company, vtubing is a jap hobbyThere's nothing wrong with Japs, weebs are the problem
>>107845291wrong, that was the streamer couple
>>107845311They started this whole drama bullshit about how toxic FWMC community was and how ruffians would show up on their streams and vods and call them TEMU FWMC and similar things.FWMC correctly ignored this instead of addressing it, they got a bunch of likes on twitter by dramafags and antis and that was it>>107845336>openly shitting on FWMC fanbase is not trying to shit on fwmc at allYou aint slick and neither were them
>>107845360Weeb hobby faggot
>>107845220You obviously do not live in the US if you don’t understand the point. For people who aren’t dedicated Ruffians, we like them enough to watch the VOD when we wake up but I’m not waking up at 5 AM to watch them. Casual fans who woke up midway through the stream are less likely to join and simply wait for the VOD.As for the likes, that is completely irrelevant due to being a multi-POV stream. We already know Youtube only counts one POV and it’s been like that for years, 35P et al will like their POV but main their oshi’s. If you want to pretend there is anything more than the default Susan and Neal culls, you need more proof than that.Lurk more. Then post.
>>107844960>>107845004Overall watchhours, don't be obtuse. More people watch indies than hololive
>>107845360>weebs are the problemWeebs make this hobby in the west, you twitchniggers are nothing but tourists and your whores are nothing but grifters, ergo only Hololive is worth anybody's timeMind you i'm not even a weeb i can't recall the last time i've watched anime>>107845386>Overall watchhours, don't be obtuse. More people watch indies than hololive>11 thousands streamers vs 60 girls>Hololive still is a quarter out of literally anything vtuber in the worldNot helping your case
>>107845249if you're talking about the stream that just ended around 1k-2k is a significant amount for a multi pov collab at that ccvor youtube could be only culling them, I'm not trying to prove a point just give a reasonable option
>>107845375>>openly shitting on FWMC fanbase is not trying to shit on fwmc at allyes, that's right
turning a delinquent fighting manhwa into fantasy gate hunter manhwa is a sign of lazy unoriginal dogshit author
the holos love meroco
>ruffians would show up on their streams and vods and call them TEMU FWMCkek, BASED
>>107845428This bitch is the mintleech of japan
i like pizza, i like burger, i like chicken nugget and i like honey mustard
>>107845375>They started this whole drama bullshit about how toxic FWMC community was and how ruffians would show up on their streams and vods and call them TEMU FWMC and similar things.typical ligwhores doing ligwhore backstabbing rugpulling shit YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
https://youtu.be/lS75l2OWbC8
>>107845375Oh I think I remember seeing that. Thing is even if that did happen they shouldn't be bringing them up because it just looks like clout chasing. The type of person to post that is probably some teenager greyfag anyway.
>>107845443What about chicken tendies?
>>107845378>>107845418There's an acceptable level of weeb and they're far over the line
>>107845432ohhh, IIIIIIII think, if i remember correctly, some of those "ruffians" were phasefags
>>107845381>most NA ruffians refuse to wake at 5AM for this>but we are fine waking up 6-7AM for thisamazing argument
>>107845456i like chicken tendies
>>107845443Based
>>107845443i don't get the mcdonald's hate, they are like the peak fastfood
>>107845458that's a YOU problem then dude
>>107845458You are a homo
>>107845461Go get the receipts so it can be used in the mountain of evidence this thread has of this subject
>>107845481i only eat mcchicken burger in mcdonalds i dont like other burgers
>>107845340Guarantee you none of their oshis interact with FWMC willingly but rather simply because they are coworkers
>>107845481better in the past when they were cheap as fuckwhy would I ever pay the same/more than in-and-out for mcshittalds though?
>>107845453Mentioning this kind of shit only has a chance of increasing this. And this wasn't a clip during their stream of them getting frustated with a chatter and calling it out it was a whole twitter post dedicated to it.What they were doing is obvious and I'm glad it didn't work
>>107845489When they use weeabooism as a crutch for cirppling social disorders it's a them problem
>>107845481They're just not good. Chick fil a is peak fast food though, no doubt
>>107845491nah, it's better if people think those were ruffians instead of phasefags
>>107845375>FWMC correctly ignored this instead of addressing itI don’t watch anyone other than Hololive so they could be lying but if it were true they should not have ignored it. The girls are responsible for their fans, just as the fans are responsible for representing their oshis>Pekora telling Nousagi to stop peko-ing in Rushia’s chat>Bae reprimanding the Brats that scalped AFO>Suisei denouncing anyone misinterpreting her words as not her fans>Fauna failing to rein in Saplings that were spamming hate against PromiseThe oshi-fan relationship is symbiotic. It only works because both sides look out for each other. It is absolutely wrong to not call out bad behavior if it is happening.
>>107845504it seems that YOU have a problem with it so it's a YOU problem
>>107845468>For people who aren’t dedicated Ruffians>aren’t dedicated Ruffians>aren’tLearn English. Plenty of us who watch them aren’t Ruffians, we like cute girls
>>107845539No it's not FuwaMocos responsbility to call out anyone anywhere using their name in vain, neither is it wrong for Hoshigami to tell people to stop annoying them about it
>>107845560i dont even watch them so its not my problem at all
>>107845504>cirpplingReminder anons, this nigger is the same cuck who keep showing up ITT to argue about how >you totally don't love hololive
>>107845569autistic or just retarded? that's not the part of the argument that doesn't make sense
>>107845594but YOU are the one crying so it's a YOU problem
>cirpplingOH NONONONONO AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA PIGGYPAG
>>107845596I have no idea what you're talking about and yes, their social problems are crippling, they can't even interact with other human being properly
>>107845624Sit the fuck down retarded pig.
>>107845539First of all it's not ruffians doing this, second why address people that are OBVIOUSLY trying to start drama and then talk down to your own fanbase about something that either is not happening or if it is happening is not being done by them
>>107845613Do you understand that people are able to discuss things without feeling emotional about it
>>107845539Why does FWMC have to address a bunch of falseflaggers? You know ruffians are actually comically unaware of the indie space it's actually surprising.
this thread is so fucking bad I don't what I dislike more FWMC antis or Ruffians. Its too bad both can't be purged
>>107845624oink oink cirppling oink
>>107845572It is though because it’s their brand. It’s the same as Suisei’s incident and Fauna’s graduation. Using their name to upset others is not something they should abide bySuisei did the right thing and said anyone doing it is no fan of hers. While Fauna saw absolutely nothing wrong with how her genmates got treated by her fansIt’s a matter of cultivating the fan base you want to have.
>>107845640>discuss thingsNegro you've been seething for 3 hours just to end up shitting yourself about FWMC, you're nothing but emotions
>>107845660Lmao
>REEEEEE FUWAMOCO DIDN'T ADDRESS OBVIOUS BROWNCORDERS THAT AREN'T REAL RUFFIANS IN THIS HYPOTHETICALHOOOOOOOOLY MELTBROWNindoggy piggypaggot is so GAPED he's seething about shit that hasn't even been confirmed to be true because no one gives a FUCK about indiesluts enough to verify LMFAOOOOOOOO
>>107845658>selentroon after hes done arguing with himself for an hour
>be small indie>demand big vtuber gives you attention so you can benefit from ityeah nah
>>107845640the only emotion you feel is hate, hate about hololive and hate about hololive fans, you're sad and pathetic and that's literally all you're doing with your daily live
>>107845666I don't care about FWMC at all, it's just one example I used, but because your brain is less evolved you can't entertain a hypotheticalIf I say something not nice about a vtuber I must HATE them and be an anti rightI could use another example instead
>>107845651I need to see keeki doing this pose
>>107845702>the only emotion you feel is hatethat describes the entire thread
>>107845637>>107845643If it’s falseflagging, it’s very simple. Do as Suisei did, do as Pekora did and call out that behavior as not being aligned with their view of how their fans want to act. Only they have the authority to say what is or isn’t okayHow new are you if you don’t know the first thing about Hololive?
>>107845658so true sister
>>107845705>>107845723>If I say something not nice about a vtuber I must HATE them and be an anti rightyes, i don't say "not nice" thing about people i don't care about unless i have something against them, you mental cuck
>>107845640here dude, next time don't start crying
>>107845651I need to see Dottovu doing this pose
Hololive and HoloGODS wonYUUUUUUUUUPFUWAMOCO wonYUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>107845705>If I say something not nice about a vtuber I must HATE them and be an anti rightif that's all you do for hours yeah you're probably an anti
>>107845684this guy cant be old enough to be posting here
>>107845724It would have been silly, other than the permanently online nobody knows whoever the fuck "hoshigami twins" are
