What triggered the EN GFE downfall this year? Constant lore drops and post-merch/donathon rug pulls. Why is it so hard for women to be nice to anonymous men who give money to them in 2025?
>>107850788This isn't new you're just realizing that vtubers are the same as e-girls. Just move on to chatbots, they won't hurt you.
>>107850788The lolicons take it more personally since they don't have many to choose from.
>>107850839It is new. Some of the biggest faces in EN GFE this year have told their fans to go fuck themselves for being parasocial, dropped they're engaged/married, been doxxed for being an actual whore (Alias) and/or start leaning into twitch-tier fleshy sexual content but screech if something sexual is ever said in their seiso community. It has never been this bad.
>>107850788Such as? Nimi and Shondo?Huge sample, really
Here's another one that returned to her roots and dropped GFE
>>107850839no, never falling for slop. I would rather be a cuck.
>>107850788>ENwhores
>>107850788What did pillow do?
>>107854885Nothing. She's the only good one left.
>>107855018Her fans are almost as bad as shondos. Hopefully she doesn't crack under the pressure.
>>107851020Nimi isn't even GFE
>>107855274This is almost 2 years old, and things have changed very much
Btw pillow is still GFE and loves her fans and is very nice and OP is just using that picture because he hates pillow
>>107850788GFE vtubers are shit and the ones that force stuff to filters gachikois are also very lame.
>>107850788it's what happens when e-girls aren't held accountable by a company
>>107855274>almost as bad as shondoswhatThe audience reflects the streamer, Piwwos never annoy anyone, they stay for themselves and if they don't, they are respectful and nice.It's how Pillow herself may be clingy and jealous (she's a woman), but she's also sweet, honest and well adjusted.Meanwhile, Shondo and her audience try to outcompete each other in being rabid bitches. Unlike Pillow, Shondo has a history of being a slut.The only similarity between Pillow's and Shondo's audience is that both enjoy GFE because both chuubas actively cultivate(d) GFE audiences.
>>107850999I just got into Kanna. Is it true? Did she tell her fans to fuck off?
>>107862363No, Kanna just turned into a fleshie. If you haven't noticed, she's currently experiencing her whore arc. Compared to Pixel Kanna, she's just sad
>>107850788Stop posting my fucking wife on the catalog.
>>107850788it will keep happening forever>>107850839this
>>107861951shondophrenics are also weirdly controlling autists who never stick up for themselves to her but lash out at everyone else to control the narrative
>>107855274Pilllow sounds like a very autistic psychopath who knows how to control her emotions well to manipulate her fanbase. Kinda creeps me out, she doesn't seem very genuine.
>>107850839This, the vast majority of vtubers aren't mentally ill like their unicorns and they don't want to play the part. They just want to be e-girls that don't have to bother with makeup at the end of the day. Anime or chatbots are your only foolproof option bros.
>>107850788EN vtubing is fucked
>>107850999>been doxxed for being an actual whore (Alias)I literally just started getting into her after being away from vtubers for so long. Welp. Guess it's back to no vtubers for me.
Who cares about EN vtubers. You know what you signed up for if you bother with them.
>>107850788Sadly this is what vtubing is now.You risk it with a small corpo/indie and they farm you for money where they will then eventually drop the grift and oull the ol' reliable "the talk", they completely vanish after running off with your donothon money or they start trying to chemotherapy you out with male collabs.The alternative is a big corpo who have been wrangled and won't suddenly have a LLD because they're contractually restricted. But in exchange, everything will feel much more manufactured, they'll shill their merch to you relentlessly, streams will be heavily watered down or streams will just stop completely.Being honest with you, I will not be surprised of EN Vtubing capitulated on itself in 2026 harder than 2025. The grift and scam is falling apart now. More people are becoming aware and many naive early 20 somethings are now in their mid to late 20s and realizing that vtubers are just e-girls. TLDR: EN Vtubing bad. Mask is slipping. People are waking up. It's just sad it's turned out this way
>>107868323People shouldn't wake up if they were awake from the beginning. Most of EN vtubing is in a terrible shape because of how retarded the fanbase gets. You either have the 4views that get enough money to reduce quality and quantity, and their fans are pussying out from making the swap, our you have the 2views who have to pander to their paying audience in order to continue, and those fans are also terrible at setting boundaries and will let themselves be walked over. If people actually swapped oshis when they felt like they don't get their time's/money's worth, or formed a proper protest/intervention, the scene would be much healthier. Instead it's everyone just half-assing being a fan, expecting to get that same high all the time without investing resources. No wonder the chuubas are also half-assing it.
>>107867929Sorry man. Yeah I would definitely stay away from her. Do your reps in the archive if you're curious about what she proudly said online. It's actually disgusting but that's Korean women for you.
>>107868964The problem is, this rot has been in vtubing for a long time with the fans. So many of them have such low standards that they'll let vtubers get away with all sorts. It gets pretty dystopian with how badly fans get treated and they let it happen. Because it's a cute anime girl avatar with an e-girl behind it that genuinely couldn't care less about you. Some still think it's 2020 Hololive or something and all the girls can do no wrong.
>>107869305I'd rather not hurt myself. But if it's something dumb like politics or something, I couldn't care less. But if it's something like "I just FUCKED 10 men after my stream" or something, then yeah, no thanks, I'm glad my sixth sense told me not to pay for the patreon.
>>107868964>Most of EN vtubing is in a terrible shape because ofmental illness. I came here from /a/ years ago, and I thought I was the loser for watching anime. What I saw here terrified me.
>>107850788Every year has the same amount of whores who crash out during the fake GFE grift. Pick a better chuuba next time if you want GFE,
>>107869943Who do you recommend then?
>>107869380She basically posted on twitter that she was horrified that she found out a lot of men don't properly clean their cocks after pissing and she had flashbacks to all the cocks she's had in her mouth and it disgusted her, but she really made a point that she's had A LOT of cocks in her mouth, straight up admitting she's a whore. What's worse is she said it in a way where she thought people would approve of it, like 'yass slay queen you tell those filthy men!', when in reality everyone was actually disgusted with her. What's worse is around that time people saw this tweet, she had wedding ring merch being dropped.
>>107870026I'd rather not give my recs out in an obvious anti thread
Sounds like a personal problem, why don’t you gatekeep like you claimed you would to ‘save vtubing’ when going after Ironmouse or are you too scared to go after anyone else aside from her
>>107870039Grim. Not as horrible as i thought it'd be but not a good look at all. I'll take your warning and avoid. I learnt my lesson after Melody.
>>107850788GFE was always on a timer. No woman has the mental fortitude to put up with those insane fans forever.
>>107870026Pillowdear is clean. You basically have to find a GFE who's not currently studying for they're just using you to pay off their fees and getting fucked by college chads every night, is completely financially dependent on her fans, communicates a lot throughout the entire day when not streaming, goes the extra mile for her fans, isn't Filipino, doesn't have a brother or male roommate or rarely talks about them at all because if their 'brother' is a big part of their life, then it's obvious who is really is. She also shouldn't have fan favorites or power-hungry mods or manager. Pillow is the only EN GFE who ticks all of those boxes but I'm sure there are others out there.
>>107870256When you put it like this, it does sound fucking miserable to be a GFE vtuber.
>>107870273I wouldn't feel too bad for them. Shondo made $100K the other day during a single stream, but that still wasn't enough for her to not tell her fans to go fuck themselves afterwards. These women want it all.
>>107870287To be fair, Donothons are the ultimate red flag sign. It means "get the fuck out now" and if you're stupid enough to give money or stick around after that, you have no one to blame but yourself.>>107870256At this point, it does feel like it's just better off learning Japanese and going the JP route instead. It just sounds like the west and SEA are inherently incapable of doing it.
>>107870256>isn't Filipinokek this anon definitely knows
>>107870208>MelodyWhst did she do? Isn't she pretty transparent about being a whore?
Nimi's lore drop and collabs with the homos showed that being open about having a boyfriend/ husband or interacting with male vtubers no longer does any damage to a vtuber's career so a lot of them decided to drop the act.
>>107870422you're just typing fan fiction
>>107870329>it does feel like it's just better off learning Japanese and going the JP route insteadEven their whores are on another level and completely understand their fans also want CGDCT and parasocial chatting streams, not just the sexual stuff.
>>107870422She still got hurt, it just wasn't very severe because she was never GFE. Even if you liked her that way, she wasn't pandering to that parasocial connection, her main focus was just gaming and tickling the early 2000s millenial nostalgia. Any GFE vtuber thinking they can do the same is retarded, and deserve the resulting downfall.
>>107870487>>107870329Japanese women are monsters and demons. Extremely controlling, demanding, unfaithful, full of themselves. You just can't tell because you don't speak JP.
>>107870329JP whore is unironically better than EN whore
blame twitch (and ironmouse). encourages and incentivizes the vtubers to be more and more like the fleshtubing normie whores, leading to constant handcams, face reveals and then just IRL streaming with a tiny cartoon png in the corner.
>>107870606But doesn't everyone hate Ironmouse now?
>>107850788>ENYou''ve answered yourselfThere's a whole change in mentality between nip chuubas and EN chuubas, JPs have internalized that they're there for the fans first and foremost, while ENs need to constantly remind themselves of this concept, because it doesnt ever soak into their mentality, for whatever reason you want to pin it on, be it culture, be it upbringing, arrogance, desperation or disdain, whatever it is there's a stark difference in attitude stemming from this mentality
>>107851077Did she? QRD?For all I know all nene ever had was GFE
>>107850788Anon... you have no money, and "men" from where you're from barely qualify as such, other than in name only. Please stop larping as a desirable human being when this is what you're doing with your time.
>>107871063No you dumbass
>>107850999>and/or start leaning into twitch-tier fleshy sexual content but screech if something sexual is ever said in their seiso communityAnon, you understand its against the rules to make jerk off material on this platform, right? You understand they get banned if Jimmy Dipshit can't stop talking in the comments about how hard he's stroking his cock to her lascivious behavior right? You can see how maybe it is in everyone's best interest if Jimmy shuts his fucking mouth, right?
>>107855274That guy moved on to Alekirser.
Normalfags have been infiltrating the hobby since the debut of HoloEN and it gets worse and worse each passing year. What happened in 2024 and 2025 is the end stage of the normalfag invasion.
>>1078731202024-25 was the beginning of the end26 is the final stage and when it reaches collapseIf vtuber fans don't wake up and stop giving these companies and egirls money, it will be at the point of no returnWe could have avoided this but simps and whales are too far gone
>>107870256There's Nene Amano
>>107873399Retards will ignore Nene or Pillow or even call them whores and then go for Shondo or some Hololive whore.Honestly that's their problem, they chose some whore and now whine about whores.
>>107873678right winger grifters usually do that
>>107850839>vtubers are just e-girlsThe result of no gatekeeping. Now every twitch whore with an avatar calls themselves a vtuber. They're not playing a character. There's nothing "virtual" about them, like this bitch >>107850999They just want easy simp money while being disgusted with their audience, but now they have an excuse to not even put makeup on. Western streamers are trash as well as their retard simps who prop them up and whiteknight them, even as get shit on by the very whores they defend. Some cope about it, some like it unironically, but they ALL need to fucking go.
>>107873804you don't need to watch
>>107872290>moved onThat faggot was already an ally simp when he had that melty, I know because I pirate all her streams. Pillow should've never even acknowledged him.
>>107873804Anon it's just you they're disgusted by, and it's not hard to see why. You sound like an ugly person.Good luck on your New Year's resolutions though.
>>107870287>>107870329I don't follow shondo, what was her rationale for the donothon anyway? Usually it's some gimmick like>help me pay for [thing]right?
Pathetic faggots. You give inordinate amounts of money to women so they'll love you, then you're surprised and angry when they tell you (because you're too retarded to figure it out) that they don't, or when they find a man who doesn't sit at the computer simping over anime girls all day. You never learn.I want you to find something better to do with your lives and stop being bitter, lonely schizos, but I admit that I enjoy watching you fall for this over and over again.
>>107874126LmfaoGo speak to a mirror buddy
>>107870256I'd add to this to not go for hags. Go for the clingy zoomers (Pillow is coincidentally pretty young too). Hags have had enough time to think about gfe in a meta way and if they do it, they do it in a very cynical way. With the zoomers you get (at least partially) genuine stuff.
>>107873804As soon as it became accessible to the general public, it's always been e-girls. And before that it was entertainment industry hoes who bounced on producer cock. If they aren't either of these then they have 2 views and if they grow they become e-girls naturally and drop kayfabe. Simple as. No one does extra work for less money.
FUWAMOCO dropped GFE this year as well so it is happening even in corpo tubers. In their case it was because the money from sponsors was so great they didn't need to pretend to care about fans anymore.
>>107874337People age. The result will always be the same. You'll just have a bit more time to enjoy the delusion before she's had time to revaluate what she's doing.
>>107874392How exactly did they drop GFE?
Which gfetuber did this? Nimi wasn't one.
>>107850788Mimi becoming huge was indeed a factor that boldened a bunch of these girls thinking "yeah, i can be her"
>>107876131Who followed Nimi?
>>107876131>4-5view vtuber who doesn't do GFE made a bunch of 2-3view GFE vtubers do stupid shit
Did anyone crash out and was ACTUALLY gfe besides Shondo, who was always a walking red flag?
>>107876926shondo is the darling of /4chan/, the grifter of rightoids, why do you think it is a hot topic?
>>107877014Those particular people always seem to do things against their best interests. Whoreshipping women who are obviously in a relationship, to voting against their interests, to other rampant self-destructive and reckless behavior. Why are they like that? What is going on in their minds?
>>107877014Just asking if there is any notable gfetuber purge or it's just one woman. Cause then the OP just seems like much ado about nothing.
>>107877014shondo is an incorrigible dramafag easily as bad as koinu or hexa
>>107873949Nice projection, cuck. I'm sure whichever whore sees your brave posts will appreciate them.
>>107850788I hope this is just the beginning. Death to GFE faggots. Long live gooner ASMR.
>>107850788Remember when we warned you about western e-girls invading the vtubing market?The recent statement of ironlung, the "face" of vtubing in the industry, makes all of this even more funnier. At the end of the day you just all failed to gatekeep your hobby, again.Just be prepared to see more and more of >>107850999 in 2026.
>>107879362>The recent statement of ironlungRemind me what she said? I've barely been paying attention until a few days ago
>>107879757She basically alluded that it was time to standardize normie&fleshtubers in the vtuber sphere. Someone could probably post a series of timestamps or clips because I'm not personally going to waste my time doing it.
>>107880026What a cunt if true, what a cunt (you) if false
>>107872290>Alekirserthe girl that makes futa on male audios?
>>107850788because the male fans with standards are gone from the hobby now and all that's left are sad spinless simps from third world countries that will eat up whatever slop their oshi feeds them.
SEX
>>107866686If she's a woman she's mentally ill by definiton.
>>107850999>doxxed for beign an actual whoreBut in her pl she was both GFE and a whore and openly so. That's just the korean woman experience.
>>107883463Doesn't one completely contradict the other?
>>107851077nah Nene still loves me
>>107883556You can date a whore. In fact your gf being a slut is much more likely than the reverse, if she's over the age of 20.
If Pillow does a LLD that truly is the end of vtubing for me. Part of me wants her to do it so I can finallly cut this toxic hobby out of my life for good.
>>107884786Posts like these are what should make you realize that the ones who are completely mentally ill are in fact the men.
>>107884969you're on 4chan femawhore
>>107884969>Acknowledges the hobby is unhealthy>Is ready to cut it out of his lifeSounds pretty healthy to me
>>107884969>yet women like Pillow and Shondo specifically pander to them for their money with lies and deception>but men are the problem!Mhm.
>>107850999>It has never been this bad.How is this bad? Get your shit together, anon.
Pillow is live btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbwiRQu4DY
>>107864074>retarded ESL anon has no fucking idea how cycle charts work You're supposed to use the same subject throughout, idiot.
>>107885350Autism
>>107883421>>107866686>>107850839all incels should move to chatbots and it'll make this hobby better
>>107850788The hobby got popular and it got ruined. Vtubing sucks now and it's going to get worse from here
>>107885657We both know you're fat and ugly. Posting 'incels' online doesn't change how ugly you are. Why do you even pretend when looking in a mirror sends you into a depression spiral? Lol. Lmao.
>>107885350>agaisntHow embarrassing.
>>107850999I still think she has the best ASMR roleplays
>>107885657You know what? I completely agree. """Incels""" should all move away from giving their money to those girls and use their money on their chatbots and sexdolls instead.It's a win-win, mostly win for """incels"""
>>107851077She has not dropped GFE you fucking tourist. This is actually the dumbest misinformation ever
>>107885236That's a good piggy. Now pay your oshi's boyfriend.
idk anons i opened the pillow stream and i just get massive pickme vibes from her
>>107886779what makes you say that?
I just don't give them money and enjoy the streams
>>107885963>ASMR roleplaysI do not care about this faggot shit. At all. I'll listen to hear when she starts licking and throat fucking the mic and squirting everywhere. Until then she can fuck all the way off.
>>107886797I'm to autistic to be able to explain why my brain tells me that, but watching like 2 min that's just what she seems to my brain.
>>107886863That's fine, some people use ASMR to goon, personally I use it to sleep. I have insomnia and it's the only thing that puts me to sleep.
>>107887028I've followed Pillow for years before she was even a vtuber and pickme is the last word I would use to describe her. She is truly herself. Hope you give her another chance sometime. It's easy to be cynical these days but she's really different from the rest.
Pillow never asks for money. She doesn't do subathons nor donathons. She doesn't give special attention to donators like kisses or anything.
>>107850999>doxxed for being an actual whore (Alias)So what's her rate?
>>107851077She hasn't changed at all
>>107886779>massive pickme vibes from herIt's a compliment
>>107887058Gooning your brains out also puts you to sleep.
>>107887367>pickme is the last word I would use to describe her. She is truly herself
seek help
>>107851077>that model>still pretends to be seisothis should be a crime
>>107850788>Pillow still gfe>Zenya still gfe>Nerissa still gfe>Kanna still gfe>Nene still gfe>All of fucking Vallure still gfeMaybe you just need to stop watching schizophrenic bpd bitches.
>>107886779>pickmeoh, so in other words you're a woman upset about the success of another woman and her popularity with guys for her content she does and enjoys, which has been consistent for many, many years now with no sign of slowing down. got it.
>>107877459Yuko Yurei
Pillow stocks rising. Shon SELL SELL SELL.>>107895282Nerissa. hahahaha. AHAHAHAAHAHAAAgood one
>>107899228Nerissa and Shiori are peak examples of everything wrong in the vtubing scene right now. Classic, common everyday mean girl archetype that got here just because they could. You could swap them with any twitch egirl it would make absolutely no fucking differences.
>>107874392>Dropped GFE>Are going to do their yearly vn stream in less than a week>>107862469This hag owns so many cats I've lost trackLet her enjoy some male attention from her chat before she starts adopting more cats
