Towa reveals she hasn't been paid in months.https://x.com/tokoyamitowa/status/2002913082230853823
>>107894783>Bae gets put into debt because of the company to the company >Laplus gets put into debt because of the company to the company >Towa gets put into debt because of the company to the company >Haachama doesn't have debts to the company but still hasn't been paid for half a year Kurolive
https://x.com/tokoyamitowa/status/1326355021093498880>it's realholy shit
>>107894846I mean... leaving is always an option.
gee, it's almost like they bought something AHEAD OF TIME
>>107894783Its their fault for spending all their money on useless songs/lives/projects
>>107894783>Not being paid vs paying their debts.It's more about peer pressure from other talents spending than whatever the company does.
Fucked that they have to pay for this shit.
>>107894928Even banks don't take your entire paycheck to pay something off
They get an interest free loan in exchange for their salary to pay for events like this. Hope this helps.
>>107895025>"Here's you interest free loan">Takes your entire paycheck instead Evil shit
>>107895025Why should they have to fork out a penny?
holy SHIT I can't believe these musical artists are getting interest free loans from a contractor in order to build their brand that they use to shill their plastic bullshit for 900% markup. And then they use these interest free loans to complain about being poor while they all are buying homes and sucking every last dollar out of pathetic simps. how insanely unfair.
>>107895104when they are contractors* I meant. since they aren't even employees of Cover.
>>107895104Weird Holobrony melty
>>107894939>get in, make a fuck ton of money, barely spend anything back, get out rich AFthe true american holomem way. Honestly pretty smart all things considered
>>107895104>build their brandIt's not their brand, they don't own their IP.
>>107894783You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older, and deeper in debt.
>>107895289yeah sure that's why all the holomem that graduated debuted to the complete average amount of viewers that random vtubers debut to.
>>107895403Why are you licking butthole so hard?
>>107895433because of complaints to make about Cover *this* is not one of them. None of the members that graduated complained about the interest free loans. In fact a bunch of them didn't really use them or if they did never spoke about them. They're more common amongst the more dedicated members.
>>107895464>None complained about being in debt Just because they didn't complain about it specifically, doesn't mean that they liked it
>>107894783>she does it for FREE
Nijinigger seethe thread
>>107894783covernigs how is this even happening? the ocmpany is worth billions
>>107895555You should ask them
Why do you retards spend all day talking about vtubers you hate instead of talking about vtubers you like?
>>107894950Basically, this is the issue. They are pretty fucked because they focus on producing music videos, setting up a nice stage, and inviting many guests instead of prioritizing the actual music and performance. As a result, they put too many resources into these things relative to their market size. And I do not mean this only for solo lives, but for the music scene as a whole.
>>107895555Kill yourself
>>107895464>They're more common amongst the more dedicated members.NTA, but that's kinda sad. you'd think that the people more dedicated to idol stuff would make more money and have less debts.
>>107895515yeah i'm sure fauna went in debt over her like 2 songs and 0 3d lives LMAOOOOOOOO
>>107895104Ok. Now explain why Haachama has no debt and still went half a year without pay
>>107895555Black company that hates the talents and treats them like slaves. They may as well be dancing monkeys on a chain.
>>107895104Im not quite sure who you are shitting on here, is it the talents? The simp fans? Or /vt/? Or is this some round about tongue in cheek shot at Cover?
>>107895611cause she went a yaer without working?
>>107895640She has been streaming all year
Sorry Towa, they need another 200 employees to work on Holoearth.
>>107895634Yes
So why do people do this sort of thing? There must be a reason why JPs keep doing this option
>>107894783damn, they don't even give her enough to eat?
>>107895729interset free loan, good meme to post about, pity bucks from simps
>>107895083They don't have to, they're not forced to hold these events. Once they decide to hold them, they're not forced to license outside music instead of using the hololive songs Cover already owns. They're not forced to have guests that they then need to pay for dance lessons so they can learn the choreographies.Fauna graduated without ever doing a 3D LIVE, it's clearly not required of the talents.You want to do it, you have to pay. If you'd rather save the money, that's a choice too. The big events like fes, the EN concert, countdown live and so on Cover does pay for.
>>107895692When Holoearth takes off I guarantee every single Holomem will become Millionaires!!! (Yen)
>>107895433Buddy, they are telling the truth, everyone knows when someone is EX holo, and the brand they built with Holo transfer to them. Pretending otherwise is just retard. You think Indies just start off with 250K+ subs? Be real, they girl in fact gain massively from being in Holo.Also, salary is not where most of the members make their money, they money more so comes from merchandise, Supers, and most of all Memberships and Voice Packs, that what leads to these girls often making 6 figures USD a year. Hell, when Gura was still there she was making nearly $25K a month with streaming, all from Memberships (this was after cuts).
>>107895611Because she’s a schizo whore and refuses to work
>>107894783good, homocollabing whores like Towa should starve or fuck off to Nijisanji where they belong
>>107895083>>107894963>>107895555>>107895620Here is how things go in your diseased, retarded brown mind:>random holo #22: Hello, Yagoo? Hi. I want to make a 37 episode anime series about my daily life and the interaction between me and my two cats. My artistic vision can only be fulfilled if I hire Studio Trigger because there's going to be lots of expensive action scenes. The estimated cost is $100 million.>Yagoo: No problem! Here you go!*Yagoo hands over giant sack of money*>Yagoo: No need to pay it back!6 months later...>hololive twitter: 【大事お知らせ】Regarding the Dissolution of Cover Corporation and its Subsidiaries, Including hololive Production
>>107895534You do know most of their money doesn't come from salary, correct? At least not for popular ones like Towa. They get most of their money from Product sales, Voice packs and Memberships most of all.
>>107894846>what is donobaiting
>>107894783lives have always been a scam
>>107895584 (Me)That being said, Cover needs to improve its marketing department. Their talents have a large enough fanbase to support many engagement deals. Former Hololive talents can hold events and run pop-up stores regularly, yet current holomems somehow have very limited opportunities. This is one reason they struggle to compete with Nijisanji in terms of profit, and why many members feel they are not adequately rewarded for their efforts.
>>107895982Shouldn't managers exist to guide talents within parameters that are realistic for everyone? Once again, that seems like it's their job
>>107895003>Even banks don't take your entire paycheck to pay something offNo, but they do take money from your account in order to make more money off of it...and then hope a bank run doesn't happen
>>107894783you rike?
>>107894928it's more convenient for this nijinigger to pretend like everything should be free instead of the reality that 3D Lives and sololives cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for the latter
>>107895903She looks less and less schizo by the day.
>>107894950So why have any sympathy for a retarded thing a woman does with her money? If she doesn't need a 3dlive for her bday and most of her fans would be fine if she just did something cute in general for them, why should it be a burden on the fans shoulders if their favorite wants to be pants-on-head retarded with their money to soft-compete with other talents?
>>107894783
>>107894783How about not doing a solo live?
>>107895982You're responding to a Holo obsessed nijinigger that's upset niji got branded with the black company label, called "anykuro", etc. after selen got terminated and anycolor's horrendous response to that situation.He's been making threads trying to call Cover a black company for nearly two years now as a way to project that label/flip the label onto Cover.
>name your self cover corp. >dont cover your employees from debt¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>107895611I just think this falls under things that didn't happen. It's really hard for them not to make money.
>>107894783Why the fuck do talents even have to pay for lives in the first place?This is a problem for both Holo and Niji, lives make money so the company should completely reimburse everything spent
>>107894783I still don't get why they have to pay for projects they do for the company with the company's IP that earns the company money?If they paid for it and got 100% of the profits I'd understand, or took a loan and had to pay the loan back but got to keep the rest.But it just seems kinda fucked?
>>107895611>has no debtDYRBI?For references, she released 8 MVs / original songs within this year, not to mention any other personal projects. You truly think she didn't take any advance for those?
>>107894783>escapes your black company rich and happyno hard feelings tower
>>107895875>WhenIt already starting to take off
Isn't this how labels operate? You pay for access and staff. Whatever it is they're doing isn't paying off yet. Anons are ki da retarded
I genuinely am baffled by how Cover does things. They are obviously making money but I'm not sure where its going but why does it feel like its not going back into the talents?
>>107896622I have an urgency to fuck Nenechi's ass
>>107894783honestly, she should join VSPO. Laplus too
>>107895025This, it's something they voluntarily agreed to do in order to secure a live. Like going "wooow this guy is paying off this car for years".. yeah he agreed to do that instead of buying it in full.I suppose what should be highlighted is some stuff Cover has the girls participate in free but extra stuff like lives requires both their discretion (is this girl able to sell all the tickets) and the girl technically pays for it up front. But the ticket sales and merch or whatever and boosts to other existing merch to the girl makes up for it, or at least it should in theory.
Not being paid for months is common as a contractor. Not saying it is a good thing, it is just reality. This thread is full of minimum wagecucks
>>107896551You think merch sales is covering all the expense? You are out of your mind
>>107896735because they act like they're poor and broke while roboco a 1000 view member bought a fuckin house lmao. like if roboco is doing fine and you believe towa is poor then LMAO
>>107896735How much does it cost to operate a 3d studio? Do you think your 5 dollar membership goes far after Google takes their split? You are genuinely retarded
>>107896692Slightly different. What they (Towa in this particular case, member who work on personal projects in general) are doing very likely won't take off. Several members have commented about it. Long story short, most personal projects aren't profitable (at least not directly) compared to the money they invest into them. Those personal projects are usually done just as a gift / payback for the fans or occasionally an investment for the future. In many cases (i.e: Haachama's photo exhibition project) the management outright told members that it won't be profitable and they shouldn't do it, but members just decide to go with it anyway because they want to
>>107896735It does go to them, the issue is that far too many of the talents have some goal that should and would normally be out of reach for them financially. Problem is, they go and take out those interest free loans to make albums or pay for studio time to do 3dlives that last an hour's worth of entertainment at best just because they saw someone else do it and wanted to too. Then they get what they wanted, at the cost of their future paychecks, and run off to cry/beg for more from their fans. Sometimes it's as blatent and forward as OP, other times it's more of the "Please PLEASE I need this merch to do well guys so go buy a bunch!", but no matter what it's still them e-begging to fix a situation they got themselves into.
>>107896881Surely first hires like Sora and Robocco had shares that are worth a shitload more now
>>107894891That's misogynist.
>>107896735>it feel like its not going back into the talents?Perhaps because you are retarded.Kanata said two big pros of Cover is that (1) they make your dreams come true and (2) you don't need to worry about money to live while being in Hololive
>>107896847They get a cut of all their superchats and ad revenue (a larger cut than the streamer themselves iirc), they get a cut of the merch, get the concert and fes ticket money.. But they should also get the prime cut of profits off the talents personal projects too? Fucked up. Simply would not spend my own money producing shit for a company like that.
>>107896896The problem is that it isn't payback to the fans, because most fans would be just fine with the talent they like showing up for their anni, playing a goofy game or two, and then having a sentimental talk with them near the end. People act like fans are going to riot if their favorite doesn't do a 3dlive, but it's purely and ego thing from the talent.
>>107894783Saba LLD deflection thread
>spent trillions for new studios and yet talents still have to rent outside studios>spent trillions for new employees and yet the talents are still over worked by management>spent trillions to fight against antis and yet not a single big anti accounts disappeared
>>107896457Then why hasn't Haachama been getting paid for half a year?
>>107896735Because it's not. Like 30% of their revenue goes to the talents
>>107897162Boyfriend is keeping the money
The fact that she's stressed enough to reveal this information at all is horrifying.
what does cover even do for talents?
>>107897209She's just begging simps to donate more
>>107897209Half of the talents cry about merch sales constantly. Whales will shpw up and hand over money for just about anything, and the talents are banking on the hope that those whales who fork over cash will be willing to help foot the bill for their ego stroke.
>>107894963Why should any company pay you for shit they never asked you to do and you're doing of your own volition? It's like buying office supplies no one needed or asked for and then expecting the boss to reimburse you.
>>107897162Other anon already answered you >>107896557
>>107896551COVER never mandates their talents to do any song covers, or any sololives. So even if they're using company assets, those still falls under personal achievements, which they never mandate, so they don't cover those.Only thing they cover are HoloFes expenses and 3D debut expenses.Now these might not include travel and accomodation expenses but the talents can ask for it and they'll usually cover them, but they never told the talents about this so a lot of talents, especially EN and ID ones, never knew about this at all.
The expectation of 3D Lives every year or more than one a year is a problem. I doubt most fans would even care if they stopped doing them as often.
>>107896557>>107897392She never mentioned being in debt to the company. She actually mentioned other people were but not her if I remember correctly
>>107897476pekora gets to access the studio whenever she wants tho?
>>107897012This. Menhera women have whole scenarios of their inevitable downfalls rolling through their heads 24/7. In reality, just keep streaming and you'll be fine. Most fans have low expectations.
Fagoo's bootlickers are coping so hard in this thread
>>107894783>>107894846NIJISEETHE
>>107897476I'm sure some retard would make a comment or ask about it, but in general people who are watching you won't give a shit. It's all for the talent, both because they want to and because some of them earnestly believe their performances on stage will get them new viewers. It's them gambling on stupid things because they want to.
>>107896551Because it's a personal project. Cover doesn't force talents to do personal MVs or Sololive. It's by their own choice.There's practically almost no different on equating this to Towa taking a loan for her personal wants, and spending her money to cover said loan.>but it earns the company moneyOr it can leads to loss if said project flopped hard. You can treat the associated profit cut as loan interest including any associated cost for Cover to assist her projects.
Cover helps Towa with the upfront cost of her sololive then she makes it back by selling merch. It's just an investment.
>>107896930Please dont reveal this. Fubuki already told everyone about it and the Minecraft shares thing was to teach the girls the importance of letting Cover step on them
>That cute girl over there has a really nice purse>I want that purse too! Because it'll be cute on me too!>Waahhhh! It cost me 5k, but isn't it cute though fans?>Well, now I'm kinda sort of broke, so won't you help me? I just wanted to look cute for YOUFuck that shit.
>>107894783Festival doesn't seem to have money problems despite spending so much on Pokemon
>>107897393If you're going to talk like a knowledge adult, I'll also be one (but honest) and tell you this is a risk-shifting model directed towards the talents.>talents are financially liable for growth projects>if they succeed, COVER benefits from visibility>in they fail, COVER is not financially liableYou can see why this is a problem especially if talents do not benefit by building their brand. Kanata for example won't benefit at all from the character she built if she walks away, she would need to create something she actually owns.
>>107897549Not mentioning it doesn't mean it didn't happen.Those personal projects cost her hundreds thousands bucks (in plural). That didn't just appear out of thin air. Given that she has no other source of income, either Cover had to pay her so she got that much to spend on essentially a hobby or she took an advance from Cover
>>107897909Sure, but in the same regard, you can choose to do little to no extra projects, show up when the company pays for it, get merch crossover promotions, get ad deals, etc, and rake in cash. It is entirely up to the talent how much they want to risk.
>>107895584>They are pretty fucked because they focus on producing music videos, setting up a nice stage, and inviting many guests instead of prioritizing the actual music and performance.>As a result, they put too many resources into these things relative to their market size.Billion dollar company btw.
>>107896414>but niji!!can't take criticism at all.
>>107898029>you can choose to do little to no extra projectsAnd how would COVER respond to that. Follow your own thoughts to their logical conclusion.
>>107896886>How much does it cost to operate a 3d studio?>Do you think your 5 dollar membership goes far after Google takes their split?Meanwhile Nji is producing 3D content on a daily basis. You're lucky to see anything like that at Holo.
>>107897631Keep seething
>>107898157They have never punished anyone for taking it easy
>>107898157>And how would COVER respond to that.Do nothing at all
>>107898237Name those talents specifically anon. What's the state of their career?
>>107898157Try asking Haachama.
>>1078981793d lives vs literal slop? Tell me more retard. Ex nijis have also talked about expenses for big projects
>>107898157>And how would COVER respond to thatkek look at this newfag/tourist
>>107898268YOURE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM
>>107898283holocope lmao
>>107898157you rang?
>>107898157
>>107896147I'm pretty anti-corpos but the logical answer to this is that for morale reasons it's easier for the company to say "fund it yourself" than for them to deny any and all project ideas unless it's profitable. the talents are aware these projects don't make money.still, cover is pretty scummy for not covering any of the costs. they should at least be willing to pay for like $100k talent budge per talent per year. it isn't a big ask for how much money they're bringing in.
>>107898096You can use a deflection when it actually is relevant to the conversation.
>>107898297No, I didn't. You said they can take it easy (or more specifically, not create content) and that's the solution. Which seems asinine. COVER has also been moving in the direction of things like DEV_IS anyway, which is not low-effort. I would think it's implicitly slow career death.>>107898293>>107898319>>107898345>I would think it's implicitly slow career deathSpeak of the devil, and she appears
>>107897938She's been in the company for years and accumulated money. She never mentioned having debts but mentioned others having them. Simple, she wasn't in debt but hasn't gotten paid in half a yearIt's not like Hololive has a good track record in paying their employees anyways
>>107898380that ain't gonna fix shit at holo tho.
>>107894783>Take out a loan>Use the loan money>Now have to pay back the people you loaned fromOH NO WHAT A HORRIBLE UNJUST FATE!! Holy shit this board really is underaged
>>107894783It's always funny how this shitty board keeps talking about their shitty fanfic about Cover sucking all the money out of the girls, and then you go and read the transcripts from the investor meetings and see how they're always complaining about how much Cover pays the girls and how they should cut their salaries to maximize profits.
>>107898096What criticism? It's just a bunch of shitskin nijiniggers intentionally leaving out as many details as possible so you can dramafag.https://warosu.org/vt/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=&search_subject=cover+is+a+black+company&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=postA single Hololive 3D Live costs orders of magnitude more than what a single nijishitter earns per year.Holos go into "debt" for a few months to pay off Lives that cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.Meanwhile nijis like Finana don't do any of that and go into tens of thousands of debt because they don't get money from Anycolor because 98% of their revenue goes to paying dividends.
>>107898503>Reports actually show that around 20% to 30% of the total revenue actually goes back to the talents and the rest goes into HoloEarth
I never heard of a talent needing to pay to produce their own stuff under a talent agency until Hololive.
>>107898430You're equivalent to an AEW mark screaming at HHH because they didn't bend backwards for LA Knight lmaoMeanwhile, Tony's shit company is bleeding and looking for an audience they'll never get
>>107894783Well now that explains why yagoo followed gunrun last year on linkedin. They were sharing tips and tricks
>>107898350They do have a small budget for *each* personal projects (not accumulated, though). Noel talked about it recently and Bae also mentioned before. It's just that those budgets are small so you wouldn't be able to make anything high quality with it (think of those 2020-era slideshow style MVs)
"It's an interest free loan!" - lol. It's the talent spending their own money to try and increase the value of their brand. A brand for which Cover takes a gigantic percentage of every dollar earned. In some cases more than the talent themselves.It's truly a miracle Cover became a billion dollar company at all, based on the altruistic fairytales their biggest stans choose to believe about how their business works if this thread is any indication.
HDF is embarrassing themselves in this thread.>invests in a multi-million dollar 3D studio>"just stream at home from your bedroom if you don't want go into debt"
>>107898540Explain why Haachama hasn't been paid for half a year
>>1078970252 more weeks for sure monkey
>>107898574> the rest goes into HoloEarthThe same kind of delusion as thinking most of Cover employees work on HoloEarth (when in fact, that section has the least amount of employee)
>muh deflection >Calls COVER a black company >Calls Hololive fans HDFWow, the idiot is unaware of the irony.
>>107898648People already explained it ITT and you are just trying to be willfully ignorant
>>107898698The reports themselves say as much money goes into HoloEarth. The majority of their money goes into the programmers for it
>>107898498>take out a loan for a project>if the project wasn't a success talent has to pay for every cent>if the project was a success cover takes half of it
>>107898739>She's in debt despite never saying she's in debt because I say she is Didn't ask for fanfictions
>>107898540NijiEN earns less money with nearly 30 members now than when they had half that number of members in 2022.
>be kurolive chuuba>be under a strict authoritarian contract that dictates your daily schedule>Cover takes the lions share of all your monetizable online activities>you want to make more money? Pay to produce your own merch (which Cover still gets a minor % of)>you want to do projects? Pay us to produce your own lives (which Cover gets a % of)>oh nooo what do you mean idol activities are fucking up the mental health of our talent?? who could've foreseen this?
>>107898621>their brand"technically" cover owns the character
>>107898621Yeah this has always rubbed the wrong way. At least split the expense, both sides are getting something out of it so both should pay
>>107898157You stupid faggot, when I said no extra projects, I didn't mean the ones offered and paid for by Cover, I meant their own stuff on their own dime which is where all of this conversation stems from. I even talked about how some talents see those things as opportunities to get new fans from people checking out their dancing, but I really don't think that's the big draw for most Holos. Here they are though, treating it like it is and then crying to fans when they realized they fucked themselves for months financially.
>Literally every single thing holofags accused Niji off was just projectionAin't that some shit.I believe you kids call this KWAB?>>107898621Its just the sycophantic EN crowd, Holo can do no wrong in their eyes, like its literally only the western crowd that treats Yagoo like some godlike deity.
>>107898648Explain why cover has been fully funding Haato's projects for the past 2 years?
>thread about Hololive abusing their workers >Numberchimp rolls out his NijiEN reddit seethe folder Holobronies are really sad today
>>107898753Look at these reports and show me where you got that fromhttps://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/f93cccc6/5f31/4c75/84ca/dc44b0581efd/20251111152323504s.pdfhttps://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/c7610964/fbb1/409f/8810/0c6b757b9858/20251111152358549s.pdf
>>107898876They haven't been funding anything. Except maybe sliding Haachama's family hush money to keep her in the mental asylum for exposing them
>>107894783Yeah, if you wanna ignore the part she took a big loan from Hololive first and owes them money.
>>107898784You have to pick that either>Cover paid her hundreds thousands dollars this yearor>She took an advance of hundreds thousands dollars from Cover this yearbecause those hundreds thousands dollars for her projects didn't come out of nowhere when she has no other source of income
>>107898938Just like the talents want to ignore how in almost all cases personal projects are terrible money sinks and they only do it to stroke their ego.
>>107898838Well, what do I know
>>107894846the 3d shit seems unironically like a debt trap
>>107898592Then you are deaf if you never heard of it.An agency pays for organizing their events. Towa wanted to do her own ones and took a loan from the agency to do them cause that shit still costs a lot of money.
>>107898978Those projects drive growth. And they are under pressure.
>>107898969>Hundreds of thousands She didn't release any big projects until this year. She never said those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. She has been accumulating money and barely spends any of it. Pretty simple
>>107894783Maybe 2% is still better than not paying the liver at all
>>107899014>Conveniently cut out the part where she said it was because she spent a lot on her personal projects and it doesn't reflect everyone else's experience
>>107899014Business expenses that they themselves say are things they CHOOSE to do, things they pay for because they want to. I can agree that things like flights for members or train tickets for those living in Japan should be paid for, but if it's a project like the group songs you see with merch stapled onto them, the company foots the bill for that.>>107899061Pressure by who? Their need to compete with other talents? And what growth are you talking about, because almost every time a Holo releases a song or MV or does a 3dlive, they're crying about money and merch sales immediately afterwords, almost like those things don't actually give them returns that make the risk worthwhile.
>>107898822>be under a strict authoritarian contract that dictates your daily scheduleDoesn't happen, Ayame alone discredits this.>Cover takes the lions share of all your monetizable online activitiesnijinigger projection>you want to make more money? Pay to produce your own merchDoesn't happen>(which Cover still gets a minor % of)Cover owns the IP so of course they'll get a percent of any merch sales.>you want to do projects? Pay us to produce your own lives (which Cover gets a % of)Holos are only expected to pay a portion of a 3D Live cost for 3D Lives they want after they've had one that year. Sololives are far more expensive than 3D Lives that can use just Cover's studio because they have to pay for the venue and merch for the sololive.Anything else?
>>107894846>Haachama doesn't have debts to the company but still hasn't been paid for half a year>>107895611>Haachama has no debt and still went half a year without pay>>107897162>Haachama been getting paid for half a year>>107898425>hasn't gotten paid in half a year>>107898648>Haachama hasn't been paid for half a yearHey retard!Look up what a Loan is.Also, Explain who the fuck was funding her projects for the past 4 years while she -1)didn't do any part time job2)didn't make any money from her schizo streams3)didn't have any good sales after scaring off her original fanbase4)continued paying college tuition while NOT STUDYING5)went on expensive trips around Japan (dragging her poor manager around) for videos that made no money6)rejected invites from her colleagues who wanted to spend time with her and she wasted money on uber eats instead.Cover should NOT terminate her.She should come back. Apologise. And then start working to pay off her loans to the company and focus on finishing her studies. She shouldn't be let off the hook that easily.
>>107899073Again, as another guy pointed out above, she released 8 animated MVs. Going by big indies, those would cost $10K-$20K *each* on a low estimation, going up as high as $40-$50K (I'm not even counting Marine's $300K+ MVs because they are likely the exceptions). Now multiply that by 8.(That was only MVs for covers and original songs. Album or any other expenses not even included yet)
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>>107899106Those personal projects and her other expenses are having two 3D lives, a sololive, and releasing over a dozen MVs and covers just this year.
>>107899156Do people not understand that artists for this stuff also get more and more cheeky in hiking their prices? They know they are in a demand and that there too few of them.
why would anyone with financial sense dump all their money into 3d?? cover is so lucky all their talents are retarded women
yagoo should terminate and sue her
>>107899164>Expect to ncur expenses of about 350M Yen, including amortization, in the fiscal year ending March 2025>350M yen a yearHow was that "as much money goes into HoloEarth"? Cover spent 1,453M yen in last quarter alone to pay their talents, much less a full fiscal year.
>>107899164350 million yen for an entire FY isn't even 1/4 of what they pay Holos each QUARTER you retarded nijinigger.
>>107894783how many sololives does she have?
>>107896368toilet...
>>107899236Ego. It's purely ego. They think they can be as good as Marine and make it all back with just their voice and video, but they always crawl back to their fans and guilt trip the shit out of them. I'm sick of this stupid shit, I'm so tired of hearing FWMC and Kiara pushing trash on me constantly as if their life depended on it because they keep wasting money on absolute money pits to stroke their egos. And as you can see by this thread, there's plenty of other talent who do the same exact shit.
>>107899130Do you not realize that you're being played like a fiddle here? You can drop the most elaborate shit ever and they'll just keep asking "But whatabout haachama's no pay?" and you'll fall for it every single time. You will then spend the rest of the day stuck in the loop, replying to random faggots here.
>>107894783people still watch towa? I thought she is a 3view collab beggar now
Too much seethe here, How about doing a simple thing: paying her?
>>107899236Unrelated to Hololive, but didn't Shylily say that her 2D model cost her like $50K or something similar? And then we have IM changing 2D (probably didn't cost as much) almost every month or two as well.
>>107899115>Business expenses that they themselves say are things they CHOOSE to doHow exactly do you work as a content creator when "just don't produce content" is now your solution. You are not going to explain this over greentext if Cover couldn't fix it themselves in-house themselves. Whether it's negligence, incompetence or malice, this is an extremely messy way to run business and it's why they keep losing people.>but whyIt's a tech company that got dragged into talent management by circumstance. They probably saw Sora as a low-risk way to demo their tech and just rode the wave. They have advisors like the CEO who drove Square Enix into the ground. Do they have any advisors/directors who professionally produce performing artists, like in film and music? It seems like a company in identity crisis or working at cross-purposes internally.
>>107899156>Can't comprehend how merch, ad revenue or memberships workSad Holodrone >SHE SHOULD LICK THEIR BOOTS AND COME BACK TO WORK FOR FREE SOME MOREMask off >>107899156So she had two years. Most of her videos that supposedly cost a bunch of money were covers with like a bit of art in it plus editing. Which is like maybe like 2-6 thousand dollars at most for each. Meaning she had two years to work on these things. Gonna need evidence she put herself in debt despite saying nothing about it but pointing out that other girls were in debt (she never said she was in debt during this conversation)
>>107896886I think that's a weird overreaction to me asking why the fuck a talent needs to take out a loan but you do you.
>>107894891 >leaving is always an option.I guess lots of girls figured that out already
Every single sane holofan left for towa. Only ones left are numberchimps and tribalniggers. Every single time you see a hololive "discussion" here it's bait put out by shitposters, schizos or bvtm. All these "discussions" should be considered completely ill-intentional from all the participants.
>>107899427>*a wordPoint is they'd probably benefit from someone who has some experience managing talent, that does include pacing growth. There shouldn't be this many problems.
>>107894783It's fine, it's Hololive so it's okay
>>107899427Hey fuckhead, here's an idea.JUST STREAMSPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN YOUR BUDGET INSTEAD OF TRYING TO COMPETE WITH THE BIGGEST OF BIG DOGSThe people who give you gobs of money will do so if you just spend your anni night with them talking cutely, throwing a huge production that costs you 10's of thousands of dollars won't change shit and only forces you to do desperate shit like beg for more sales or donations.
>>1078994332-6 thousand dollars? What world do you live in to think its this cheap?
>>107898621>A brand for which Cover takes a gigantic percentage of every dollar earned. In some cases more than the talent themselves.Source?>>107898869>sycophanticHello nijiSEA bro. I know you just learned a new word and are eager to use it everywhere but that isn't how "sycophantic" is used.Care to explain what percentage of merch sales nijis get back? I do find it funny that not even an hour ago you were pretending that you weren't a nijinigger spamming threads like this.
Just doing gfe stream on Christmas, easy money glitch, oh wait i forgot, hololive talents, they all have boyfriends
Again, this is like a Knicks fan complaining that the Lakers aren't paying LeBron to go back and then calling them "The worst organization evar!"
>>107899365She is and she still thought it's a good idea to loan money for a sololive. Now she's in debt and calling the lender a salary thief. Typical beggar behavior.
>>107899446And how'd that work out for them?
>>107899493>Point is they'd probably benefit from someone who has some experience managing talentThe pool of experienced and competent talent managers is being exhausted by others in showbiz/music before VTuber corpos get access to them.
>>107899661doing better than when they were in hololive
>>107899536It's cheap compared to the 10-20k music videos you were talking about
>>107899568ESL aside, didn't Aki do one of these on Christmas Eve a few years back when she was one of if not the lowest subscribed member?
>>107899702Surely you have some numbers or examples to back that claim up and aren't just talking out of your ass, right?
>>107899483>picI will now "play" Holoearth
>>107899683One of the more reasonable observations in the thread. Cheers anon <3
>>107899761well they are not depressed like when they were in hololive and they don't have to bitch about management 24/7 anymore
>>107899702Ah yes. Nimi dropping hard. Kson joining VShoujo. Mumei having quit completely. Sana and Shion falling into complete irrelevancy.Gura still being Gura and not doing anything. Ame bombing her entire reputation. Ao disappeared and Aqua having to deal with her artist being a pedophile who made doujins about his actual experiences in fucking children.Sure are doing better, huh.
>>107899280>>107899291Blatant misinformation
>>107899813What about the streams?
>>107899830>Ah yes. Nimihas 10k ccv lmao
>>107899813>they are not depressedlollmao
>>107899702Be consistent, are you talking about JP or EN? Either way, there is no metric that proves they were better off indie. Even Fauna averages better than Nimi.
>>107899877Has nimi complained about not receiving a paycheck for several months not sure I don't watch her
>>107899845Surely you have the numbers then, selenfag.1,453M JPY on talents in a quarter. That's a fact.
>>107899869Yeah but what is it without the bots?
>>107894783fuck go read the replies this is so grim
Don't wanna talk about how these personal projects do almost nothing for most of the talents who have them? Nah, instead you'll just bite easy bait all day because it's easier to fight absolutely retarded bullshit than to face the fact that most talents are glorified streamers with a tint of idol in them and almost no one comes specifically for the idol aspect.
>>107899845From you here >>107898698, yes.Cope. You got caught lying(as always) and you LOST nijinigger.
>>107899869"Can we reach 700k while fighting Malenia" stream.Fantastic outlier example anon.
>>107899914choke to death on my dick ennacuck
>>107899830>Ame bombing her entire reputation.What did she do?
>>107899917can you summarize, I don't have an account
>>107899930meant you got caught lying here>>107898574
Vtubing is collapsing. Everyone is skimping their talent. It's over.
>>1078998696k* on a good day8k with special streams
>>107899986i watch a male who is a full time streamer with ~600 ccv
>>107899943She got 7.5k for it, not 10k.
>>107899946I accept your concession and forgive you.
>>107900005And?
>>107900048a female with over 10x that many viewers makes an insane amount of money when she's not in a corporation that steals it all
>>107899927>personal projects do almost nothing for most of the talents who have themThey've got the data, (You) don't so it's hard to say. In the end it's their money anyway, what they do with it is their problem.
I expected towa baby, not real yab
>>107900064>steals it allLiar liarAlso, anything she earns is split in two
> I took out a loan to do passion projects> I have to pay it back nowwow black company so horrible
>>107900152Until they're crying like this or like Haachama did, when they can't afford to pay back their loans on it because they didn't make enough money with it. And it's not just those two who talk about shit like this. It's a losing proposition for 90% of the talents in Holo, and is purely done to satiate their own ego because they want the shiny thing too.
>>107900167There's no yab. This entire thread is a nijifag who escaped from /#/ because they shat on him, and he is desperate to defend nijien.
>>107895555How else would it be worth billions, if it wasnt taking billions from the talents? Do you think they profit off holoearth or something? No, they allow their talebts to stream under their own character in return for a cut of the streaming proceeds, and then cover also withhold the streaming proceeds to pay themselves for allowing the stream to happen.
>>107898540>>107898820Holy holo deflection!
>>107898157Gura did nothing for 2.5 years and they still would have begged her to stay. Ayame barely does anything and her fans joke about it to her in chat.They are contractors. As long as they fulfill the standards of said contract Cover can't and won't do shit.
>>107900210The real issue is that managers need to drill into their talents that not everyone is Marine, Suisei or Myth.
>>107899568>Just doing gfe stream on Christmas, easy money glitchAs a certain fox mom has said, "Men are easy".
>>107899930>34% into software >12% into HoloEarth development specifically Oof
>>107900286I forgot the image
>>107900260Again, you can cry deflection all you want, but as long as the thing being discussed is related to what you're discussing, then it is valid.
>>107899830It's kind of insane that Sakuna dealt with arguably the worst circumstances because of gaou and yet she's still arguably doing the best out of the Holos that graduated.
>>107900278Even Myth struggles with this shit. Mori doesn't because she has UMG as a backer for most of the stuff she does. Kiara constantly talks about how expensive things are and about how money is tight sometimes, and she's turned up the merch pushing ten-fold over the last year. Ina doesn't do a lot, so it doesn't hit her as hard.
>>107900303>IP planningRead the fucking graph, retard.
>>107900338Do you think IP planning costs more than developing software for a metaverse?
>>107900327The money just doesn't flow as well as it used to. It's not even just Covid being over, the post-Covid inflation plus the tariffs have hit people too hard to whale on vtubers. In this environment, if you want to be fancy and blow money on huge projects, you gotta eat rice and beans otherwise. They know that, and for many it's still worth it.
>>107900377Yeah, so worth it they have to cry about their sales numbers to their fans in the hope that the people who feel bad enough will pick up the slack. It's stupid horseshit and is them taking a retarded gamble for their own ego that has proven to be bad for a majority of Holos who take the gamble.
>>107900373Shut up, you're out of luck because you just said Software, when the item on the graph includes IP planning, which essentially is R&D.
>>107900405I don't mean commercially worth it, if it was Cover would fund it. It's an accomplishment for them. Artistic expression and whatnot.
>>107900414R&D into HoloEarth, yes
>>107899930that number you talk about include every single person involved in said project getting paid
>>107900448No actual evidence lmao.
>>107900428But that just comes back to the ego issue. It's entirely them wanting to prove their worth as an artist, and it almost always goes to show that their worth is as an entertainer, because more people are far more interested in consistent streamers than they are a talent who disappears for swaths of time and cries about how much money they wasted.
>>107897875nice investments Festival
>>107894846lmao imagine falling for the oldest trick in the book, owing money to your employer. These girls never read books, never listened to history lectures, and never encountered the Doog in Starcontrol 3.
>>107900278I see Marine as the origin of the overspending problem. It worked out for her but she started the trend.I am only talking about the talent side here. One obvious issue is that most of the support they receive is treated as a grant rather than something earned. Haachama is a good example of this. She seemed to believe that simply working on a project entitled her to support even when the results said otherwise.This creates a situation where those who actually deliver results do not receive increased support because everything is handled equally. In the end no one is satisfied.
>>107900286>>107900303>Streaming Application and Software DevelopmentESLtard...>deliberately picking a report from 2023Also 12% where??? Not to mention this isn't a breakdown of the COSTS like you were implying it was, nijishitskin-kun. Here's the same slide from their recent report, this year, where they've increased the workforce that handles talent management. Now the only department with more employees than talent+production management is the one that handles IP, branding, and the software+studios that Holos use to stream.Care to continue lying, selenfag?
>>107900477No it doesn't nigger, performer remuneration is just the pay given to Holos and holostars. Don't respond to me again since you clearly don't understand these reports.
>>107900502>32% into software development and metaverse devsThanks for proving the point
>>107900377>you gotta eat rice and beans otherwise"suck it up" doesn't seem sustainable when you're getting close to the equivalent of two generations graduating in a year. Not to mention Towa wrote this to shine some light, I'm sure there's some thinking behind that.>>107900483>It's entirely them wanting to prove their worth as an artistThis is normal and desirable in most creative industries. You do realize that
>>107900502Again the idiot is already disingenuous by saying that 34% was software but the image he shows has "IP planning" meaning it was for planning out new gens and concepts.
>>107897875Festival has a secondary source of income for these stuffs. Also, she barely overspend on things aside from personal stuffs. No fancy MV or projects. The biggest thing she has recently spent on is her Album.
>>107900558Imagine actually thinking planning a new gen costs millions of dollars
>>107900573Yes, maybe if anykuro actually give a damn about that, then maybe Selen would still be there.
>>107900501>She seemed to believe that simply working on a project entitled her to supportI would have thought so too, honestly. What even is Hololive if they don't?
>>107900536>when you're getting close to the equivalent of two generations graduating in a year.This is honestly pretty normal for a company that big. Expecting 50-100 young women who get told they're the best in the world by thousands on a daily basis to stick around for decades is unrealistic. The only reason Cover struggles with it from a business POV is because they're not pushing out new generations to replace them.
>>107900536>I overvalue myself as an artist>My ego is inflated because people like watching me stream as an entertainer>Surely me being an artist for them will garner just as much attention, adoration, and money if not morePassion projects are fine, but you still need to set a reasonable limit for yourself and understand that in some cases, you just can't fucking do it. FWMC got their popularity in the west because they streamed a shit ton and were consistent, and have been slowly losing popularity for the exact reverse while Biboo has been steadily gaining.
>>107900278They do, I believe some of those "projects that never get greenlit" are blocked precisely because of that. If I recall correctly, they basically force the talents to wait for a week to reconsider some projects, to make sure they really want to invest in that if it's seen as risky or something that they know won't really produce any returns.They aren't as ignorant about any of this as they seem to be.
>SEAnigger doesn't know what an Agency does.Maybe actually get a job. It's obvious you have not experienced getting one.
Hololive/Cover and the girls are independent entities. The talents are NOT employees to the company. Each talent is an individual contractor, similar to how Twitch contracts streamers as partners, but with more guardrails because holomems are supposed to operate in somewhat of a cohesive group.That's why you hear they can do however much they want, or however little they want. Some girls pour a ton of money on music and MVs and albums, while others just stream and don't do much else beyond that. Obviously the individual contractor should take on most of the risk when they undertake extra, and Cover can help out by loaning services and even funds. The girls are free not to assume this extra burden and do the bare minimum.That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that Cover keeps the IPs. When Marine invests in Houshou Marine, that's to Cover's benefit. The person behind Houshou Marine only continues benefiting if she remains as Houshou Marine. Ninja didn't suddenly stop being Ninja and have his channels taken away because he left Twitch for a few years.Yagoo is incredibly lucky that he has so many talents willing to put so much of their own resources back into Hololive/Cover, despite knowing they don't own that shit and will never own that shit, unless some talents have very special contracts that stipulate otherwise that we don't know about. You can see the disparity when you compare with Niji, and their talents really don't go too much above and beyond on an individual basis.
>>107900620>FWMC got their popularity in the west because they streamed a shit ton and were consistentyou sure it wasn't because they're cocomelon for adult manbabies?
>>107900666It's not quite as cut and dry. The IP stays with Cover, but a huge part of the popularity stays with the talent. That's why ex-Holos relaunch with hundreds of thousands or even a million plus subs.
>>107894783Yeah they should be like Nijisanji, where you pay something out of your pocket and the corp never covers for it
>>107900701That bait thread is down the hall. We're talking about Holocollapse in this one
>>107900533There is not a single mention of the number 32% in that slide, retard.
>>107900706NTA. What if they don't use Hololive as a temporary launchpad? ie., what happens to Kanata?
>>107900701Nah, they had a good gimmick that was fresh, had a lot of streams, were always on time, and basically never cancelled a stream for their first half year.
>>107900706>That's why ex-Holos relaunch with hundreds of thousands or even a million plus subs.Yeah, Saba wouldn't be as popular as she is if not for the blatant dog whistling and making her model literally Temu Gura.
>>107900752Then they need to remember that jobs are temporary and the good times don't last forever, so it's time to fucking save up. Same shit that happens to every starlet of the month with no hope that the career lasts, or professional sports players. They're adults, we can expect them to act like it.
>>107900725Or rather, the fact that hololive isn't collapsing despite the many attempts by nijifags.Nijifags anti-ing hololive went from spamming reports to Capcom to having to watch Capcom sponsor Ina and Biboo.
>>107900666I swear you guys said cover provides a salary to the girls a few months ago, make up your goddamn mind.
>>107900533Where does it say that?>>107900558The branch literally says "Infrastructure Development". It's not Holoearth dev, that's the Metaverse section.Regardless, more than 1/4 of the employees are talent and production managers."Normal" Cover staff don't get paid nearly as much as Holos, and if only ~350 million a year is going to this project then that's barely 1% at best of their revenue.The only argument to be made is they have too many employees and could do with cutting staff.Frankly speaking if they terminated holostars and 80% of the middle management that does nothing and reallocated all of the resources diverted to these groups towards managing and funding Holos they'd be doing far better.
>>107894783Don't worry, we pay soon, don't worry
>>107900822They do. It's just miniscule compared to what the talents earn from revenue/merch/even ads.Unless they're from holostars, then the salary is most of their income.
>>107900715And then you get fined for not paying taxes in Japan because they "forgot" to do that despite it being the employer's obligation by law.
>>107900796No, you have to cover them and their retarded choices because you feel bad for them fucking themselves over!
>>107900866Independent contractors have more negotiating leverage and own their business, tools, IP. This seems like the worst of both worlds.
>>107900822I'm not you guys. The girls have never been paid a salary. To the extent anyone has ever been paid a "salary," it's more accurately called an allowance. Like when Hololive was young and the girls made no money at all but they need some money to survive. Nowadays none of the girls receive an allowance. A lot of people don't know the difference or are careless with terms because they've never worked as an independent contractor.
>>107900864>8% goes into HoloEarth game devs >24% goes into developing software Billions into HoloEarth
four month sick leave incoming
>>107900967Any way you care to explain this, the whole situation is still an absolute goatfuck. I'm sure we can at least understand that. Who are we losing in 2026?
>>107901037Do you think they'll call Towa's family and bribe them into throwing her into a mental asylum too?
>they are millionairesso much for that
>>107900971>24% goes into developing softwareNowhere does it say that.
>>107900971Again, only the Metaverse section is for Holoearth development and this is the percentage of employees dedicated to these departments.You already posted they spent around 350 million yen in a fiscal year, amortized, on Holoearth here >>107899164. That's not even 1% of their yearly revenue.You lost.
>>107901140>That's not even 1% of their yearly revenue.Despite the company themselves saying they spent 12% on HoloEarth last year and 8% on HoloEarth this year? That was a single quarter
>>107899483not true, they also are in their generals
huhit's almost like this economic system that demands profit extraction above all else is unsustainable and is going to get us killed or something
Don't forget, there's the cost of dance lessons, singing lessons, routine ENT healthcare, flights of out of country members, hotel costs, paying for things like food for the staff who help out, etc.It's not just the direct costs of song production or staffing for the live event, nor the editors and help for the music and recorded bits.
>>107901176Show where they said that.
>>107899483It's funny how towerfags have to constantly come back to tell us that they leftIt reminds me of blueskyfags and twitter
>>107901221You're right. It's cool that they get paid in exposure
>>107901256>>107900502COMPANY STRUCTURE
>>107901263Yeah, and it's so cool that all that exposure amounts up to not paying the bills after they do things like release song covers or do 3dlives that they have to talk about how they're being crushed by their debt and need fans to help bail them out.
>>107900816>Nijifags anti-ing hololive went from spamming reports to Capcom to having to watch Capcom sponsor Ina and Biboo.Love the victim complex you have.
>>107901283>employeesSo not costs like you implied, thanks for playing.
>>107901301They're not paying bills but they actually are and the company takes their entire paycheck cause of it
>>107894846I too, love pagpag, my fellow pagpag bro
>>107901334I like how you retards aren't even pretending you didnt do that before.
>>107895069They also don't have to let them take 100%. They can have them take a smaller amount and it will take longer to pay off. Still 0 interest.
>>107900816and losing baseball game sponsor to Holo...and not getting Nintendo perms but Holo does... kek they were shitting their pants over that one because Holos played palworld
>>107901344Yeah, as we established they're spending billions on HoloEarth. 8% of the total money the company gets goes to HoloEarth devs
>>107901221Talk about living the dream.
>>107901365>Hololive girls are just choosing to not make money for months at a timeAnd other retarded things Holodrones actually expect you to believe
I hate that the argument half of the people are trying to have is that the company is bad for letting the talent take free loans off of them when the talent themselves is forceful about a retarded venture they want to do. Cover isn't perfect, but most of the girls are pants-on-head retarded when it comes to wisely choosing what to do and what not to do with their money. They do all this shit for themselves and it backfires because not enough people care about the side shit. They take all this time off streaming, losing the interest of more casual fans because they just don't show up, and then get ass-blasted when it doesn't work out like whatever perfect world they had envisioned in their heads.
>>107901387Nope, you lost and have to repeat yourself ad infinitum in a desperate attempt to pretend you're trolling now. Embarrassing display from nijipaggots.
>>107894783That’s not what that means you dumbass.They pay for stuff themselves and can ask for the funds to be drawn from their future pay.
>>107901374>Losing a baseball game sponsor >Losing Nintendo permsAre you retarded? They inserted Nijisanji members in the baseball game as characters and had multiple tournaments for Nintendo games
>>107901422>Still has not explained why Haachama hasn't been paid at all in six months despite not having a debt
>>107901400I meant, most people would want to be financially secure enough that they could spend "a stupid amount of $$$" on something they cannot make anything back from as well
>>107901128>they get paid million usd every month!!!>they make billion usd every month with ad revenue and merch!!!kek
im not going to declare hololive bracku companry because its optional but the idea that you would willingly give up 3 months of income for a 3d concert is stupid as fuck imo, any girl that does that is crazy
>>107901422The sign tappers have never lost.
>>107901468So financially secure that they have to cry about not making money to their fans.
I can confidently tell you that if you're in hololive, you will make enough money to be a millionaire.If you then blow it on gacha and retarded projects, no amount of income can overcome that.
>>107901422>join idol company because you want to do idol stuff>said company doesn't fully support you doing idol stuff and you have to do it yourselfbut at least you get a free loan, I guess.
>>107901513But what if you've always wanted to get attention for being on stage dancing and singing. Surely it'll translate one to one with your ability to draw in money and a crowd with your streaming, right?
>>107901531>Free 3d.>Free FES>Any other sponsored event you are invited to is freeOk.
>>107901489>3 months of incomeshe's still in debt and working her ass off to pay what's left
>>107901489How is Hololive not a black company after what Haachama said about them?
>>107901261The insane schizo "holofans" are still here.
>>107901513>I can confidently tell you that if you're in hololive, you will make enough money to be a millionaire.millions that gonna disappear in a blink of an eye.
>>107901454>source: his subhuman seanigger browngoloid ass
>>107901645I wish my banker would give me 0% interest loan...
>>107901617Technically you could put a lot of this on sketchy middle management practices. Incompetence can be as bad as anything.
>>107901645>The personal 3d live that I wanted to make cost fuckton of money so I'm blaming cover that they don't give me free production staffs and resources for the non mandatory 3D live that I PERSONALLY want to happen.
>>107901623There's a lot of stupid bait in this thread, but if there's one thing that rings true, it's that a good chunk of talents are throwing far too much money at projects that will lose them money. They bank on the good will of the fans hoping it will help bail them out, but in instances like Bae, or Towa, or Haachama, sometimes it just isn't there. I'm assuming after the soloduo concert, Kiara's gonna have a crashout over money too, because she was already stressing super hard over the album sales being too low.
>>107900604What makes you think shitters that nobody watches deserve to have their retarded ideas funded?
>>107901261It's funny how 4cucks always get so pissy when they are reminded that nobody outside of seaniggers and pajeets actually posts here anymore.
>>107901740It's an unfortunate truth that effort doesn't necessarily bring success.
>>107901788so you're saying that you are either a seanig or a pajeet?
>>107901334It's not a "complex" when it is the truth.
>>107901645>cover was very gratious to split it upDid Cover partially pay for her 3D live?
>>107901800It's not even like you can't ever have passion projects, but some of the talent are really stretching what they can actually get done with their income, which results in burnout. You could also argue that without any ability to do so, they'd suffer burnout too, so it's a bit of a double-edged sword.
>>107901820I've been designated to observe you subhumans and laugh.
>>107899354But whatabouthaachama'snopay?
>>107901740It was mentioned, the issue is management encourages this.>Yes, I've summarized it, but...>理解できました?>Did you understand?>期待させんのもやめてよね本当に>Stop getting my hopes up, seriously.>ソロライブできるとか言う>You say I can do a solo live performance...>餌をまいて釣るの>...and use that as bait to lure me in.>あほらしすぎて見てらんないわ>It's so stupid I can't even watch.>簡単に言うよね>You say it so easily.>すぐにやめれるならやめてるけど>If I could stop easily, I would have stopped already, but...The way to explain this in management terms is "under promise, over deliver". Which is just basic common sense really. It can be hard to find in a corporate environment. It doesn't help it's very easy for Cover to push the financial buden on the talents, ie. risk shifting. Creative types are not necessarily the best placed to think about how it all has to come together commercially, that's just the flip side of passion and dreams.
>>107901859Kinda sorta. Unless Holo members use an external studio for their 3D lives, generally the studio-related technical / directorial stuffs are virtually free. Members still need to pay by themselves if they commission anything extra from outside of Cover (i.e: if they include any touched-up parts by Kanauru, if they want to sing English songs and have to pay for permission from the copyright owners, or if they want to hire directors / staffs from outside - subjected to vetting from Cover ofc). Cover provides them a small amount of money for that but it seems those are small enough not to matter.
guarantee if this board had IDs over 100 posts would be from OP alone
>join hololive to be an idol>graduate broke because you have to fund all the idol stuff yourselfwow great company
>>107902289>graduate brokeMeanwhile Kanata said less than a week ago that she didn't need to worry about money while being in Hololive - and that's the girl who spent 90% of her income on personal projects
>>107901128Would be if they daily streamed instead of doing this
>>107901504If I can make thousands dollars from "crying" to strangers (she didn't even look sad there), I'd too. Daily even
>>107901513>join for the idol dream>the idol dream is 1 concert a year or pay everything yourselfdon't look at real idol schedules
>>107902353Grocery bagger doesn't know what money is
>>107901859In context, what she meant there was that Cover agreed to just take part of her paycheck so she didn't have to tap into her savings (which means it'd take longer to pay it back - for example, think of it like instead of taking 100% of her monthly paycheck for 3 months, they only took 50% each month but for 6 months instead)
>>107899502what you don't understand is that the endgame of>do bare minimum of existing while cute, while minimizing time, effort and money investmentisn't a girl that streams 10 hours a dayit's Gura/Saba, someone who streams couple times a month, doesn't deliver anything else and makes an absolute killing with minimal investment
>>107902655She's just like me fr
>>107902353my post was referring to the same woman who said she's graduating with no savings
>>107894783Holowhores live like this? grim
>>107903274Why do you not read the thread? Oh wait, you have to samefag your thread to bump it since your bait is dying.
>>107903293I'm just touring around, laughing at giga cope walls of texts, also it hit bump limit a while ago yet you are still here lul
>>107903330Why do I not believe you?
EIEN fags got cucked and lost
>>107894783Talents shouldnt pay for these kinda projects from their own pocket. The IP belongs to Cover and it's in their best interest to fund these projects themselves instead of wasting millions of dollars on holoAss. But noooo watch the company interns defend that kek
>>107895594They're women. Getting more money just means spending more money.
>>107903501probably because selenpag's third worlder stench makes it obvious
>>107901358last time i said the p-word i got a 3 day ban
>>107894783Towa reveals she hasn't had sex in months.
>>107899544>that isn't how "sycophantic" is usednta, but damn holoniggers are fucking retarded
>>107903732>ntalol, lmao>replies 4 hours later just to confirm he's ESLggez no re
>>107894783Vshojo 2.0
>>107902624Based hololive for keep the real idol company culture alive!
>>107899544I have no dog in this fight as I don't care about any of this outside of being nosy about corpo happenings, but I'm fairly certain that "sycophantic" is not being used incorrectly (As the op meant it. Whether these fans display sycophantic tendencies is not something I can confirm or deny.)
>>107903877Post the definition if you want. Arguing semantics after you get BTFO is typical for a loser's dying throes.
>>107903960Different anon, sorry. Just a bit autistic about words and usage>Sycophantic : of, relating to, or characteristic of a sycophant : FAWNING, OBSEQUIOUS
>>107904041>seeking or used to seek approval or favor by means of flatterySo what favor/advantage are supposed Holo fans seeking from yagoo?
>>107901679Haachama came out of my ass?
>>107902353Kanata also said she wasn't able to accomplish her goal of getting her own home too because of money issues too
>>107904102I don't think there is one, really. As I said, I'm not here to argue about fanbases! Or to talk about drama! I'm only here to argue about words! Sycophantic can be used in more than one ways than one. Word are more malleable than we think. I chose the definition from Merriam-Webster vs the one on Google as I believe that was the intention of the way the word was being used by op. More people should use Merriam-Webster btw. Lots of fun word games there
>>107900499This is my first time learning there's a 3rd Star Control game, I always thought there were only two because those are the only ones I ever hear people talk about.>1996WHAT THE FUCK
>>107894783Holopoors do be like that
>>107901513Well, if they they are truly frugal they could indeed become a millionaires in holo. JPY millionaires that is.
>>107895003Banks charge interest you fucking retard, Cover is giving them interest-free loans that also function as a tax loophole to artificially lower than their income.
>>107904851>Cover is giving them interest-free loansWhy can't they fully support their girls instead? Is holoearth that damn important?
>>107904271Words are malleable to a degree. The best word to put in his delusional opinion would've been "idolize" but he just wrote the first thing that came to his mind to bump his dogshit thread.Either words have meaning that separates them from others, or they don't have meaning. If you continue to be lax with treating words as synonyms when you shouldn't you degrade the quality of language.Not like quality of discussion matters to 99.9% of users on this site, as evidenced by this thread being half filled with the same poster seeking attention as he seethes over Hololive.
how do you bypass 4chan cooldowns now btw?
>>107905146go ask grok
Be friends with a mod. Or bo like Gunrun and pay off mods to let anti holo spammers be unobstructed.
>>107904992>If you continue to be lax with treating words as synonyms when you shouldn't you degrade the quality of language.I suppose I agree to an extent. I just think, in this case, a word like sycophantic really can be used in both ways. Two different definitions. Google/Cambridge Dictionary vs Merriam-Webster. All fine sources, I think.
>>107904991>Why can't the world be a retarded communist utopia?We get it, nobody should be allowed to have anything so nobody gets more than the worst-performing member.
making b8 threads for two years won't help nijiEN recover
