>>108121703
Is this all you can conjure, holodrone

the company should make sure their talents aren't overworking themselves

>>108121721
There is nothing to conjure, the talents themselves literally tell it how it is.
What more do you want?
>>108121738
Talents WILLINGLY overwork themselves. They underestimate the workload, then whine about how much shit they have to do.

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My OCD flared up.

>>108121755
which is why the company should make sure their talents aren't overworking themselves

>>108121790
>accept work
>"are you sure about this"
>"yes."
>work comes
>"NOOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE I AM OVERWORKED!!"
retard

>>108121703
I meant, even Kanata herself said that Cover was suggesting to reduce her workload by rescheduling projects. She refused to because she wanted to work on those projects.
Outside of anti, don't think anyone but the most brainless retards would've thought that that was fully Cover's fault.
(They can still do better by hiring more managers, though. Doubling current amount should do)

>blame the talent, not the management
Very original guys

>>108121816
women are always wrong about the "are you sure about this" question, cover managers should know this

>>108121816
The company can and should've forcibly take their talents off work if those work are affecting their health. That's what managing entails

>>108121844
>Talents consistently blame themselves
>"erhmm akshually it's a manager of undefined ranking who did this"
Very original, guy.

>>108121755
my brother in christ, managing workload is the most basic responsibility of any manager on any workplace and it goes both ways. it's manager's responsibility to prevent employee overworking and burning out and in the past i had a manager who directly told me to take a vacation for a week to rest when i was out of breath so to speak, because it's easier to schedule a vacation than to have someone being unable to perform adequately for unknown amount of time and potentially retiring because of that.

>>108121872
>manager on any workplace
this isn't "any workplace" and talents can overrule the suggestions of their managers, next argument.

>>108121872
>doesn't allow talents to take up more work than she can handle
>"UUUUUU THE COMPANY DOESN'T LET ME DO THE PROJECTS I WANT"

>>108121862
this anon has an actual non-swearshop job experience

Of course they prefer to overwork for produce behind the scenes projects than to have to serve unicucks who turn their oshi into material for masturbation every time they stream.

>>108121892
this is valid argument if you're under 23. later you realise you only have 24 hours in a single day
>>108121886
i sure do hope this won't end up in hiatuses and graduations

>>108121862
Kanata was told to lay off her personal projects to avoid overworking herself, which makes sense since the stakes of a company project is much higher than that of a personal project.
If you're arguing that Kanata should have recieved a health break, then she could have also totally done that, as evidenced by all the other talents who did the same.

Being a stubborn idiot who wants both projects worked on is not Cover's fault, and had she been stopped, you nogs would have complained about talent freedom.

@108121908
>unicucks
oh my yagoo, the beggar escaped containment

>>108121938
>won't end up in hiatuses and graduations
You mean like how Gura was denied projects and took a hiatus and eventually graduated?

the whole thread can be summarized in one phrase
>Cover is always in the right.

>>108121944
My argument was that she should've been forced to go on a health break. She was retarded but tardwrangling should've been part of the management's duty.
Cover should've told her to stop and take a break for a week or two, rescheduled all her projects and made sure that it wouldn't be negotiable. Projects can be rescheduled or restarted but her health clearly couldn't handle it no matter what she thought, which led to the graduation

>>108121981
What if being forced to go on a health break made her graduate?

Who do you think ends up having to do the work that the first team turned down.
She doesn’t seem to take into account that she is the most favored person in the company.

>>108121992
No one has to do work they didn't agree to.

>>108121944
>which makes sense
Losing a talent of that caliber and seniority doesn't make any sense at all, get a grip. Why exactly is Hololive incapable of keeping someone like Kanata in their stable. Stop dicking around with nonsense and explain that.

>the stakes of a company project is much higher than that of a personal project
jesus christ

>>108122048
yet somehow, they're also subcontractors when it comes to finances

>>108121985
Then at least Cover wouldn't be in the wrong there

>>108122076
see, that's it! it's never about the well being of the talent. it's about looking good as a company.

>>108121703
>You don't HAVE to attend
reminds me of Matsuri's old video on relationships in Hololive
>You don't HAVE to be single when you work here

>>108122012
>>108122048
Company projects have resources allocated to them that have to move around.
If one project is delayed, then the next planned projects for that team are also delayed, since they draw from the same manpower.
That way you are disrupting not just one talent's work, but multiple talents' work.
Not to mention that a company project may depend on more than one talent, and don't even get me started on the difference in financial scope between the average personal project and company project.

>>108122104
But Kanata would've remained as healthy as she could be as well instead of being a wreck she is right now (health damaged from overwork and her ear disease)

>>108122134
Think harder anon. So now :
>no Holowitches
>no Kanata
Would you consider this an overall win for Hololive?

>>108121703
>FACT: If enough people tell their oshi "I don't want to see your projects, I just want streams!", then they will start streaming more and overwork themselves less.
Pretty sure this one doesn’t work, especially in EN.

>>108122157
This one especially works for EN, actually.

>>108122157
Suisei is also well-established, crazy successful, own her IP and music under her own name, a grown-up and experienced in the industry, etc. Her situation is not that of every talent.

>>108122155
Kanata is a genuine retard, though.
She touched a hot stove and vowed to never come close to stoves again.
That's not the type of person that you can control.

>>108121997
It seems you don’t even know that Nene was pressured by the higher‑ups behind closed doors, or that Sakamata was made to work while she had COVID, so there’s really no point in discussing this with you.

>>108122177
Suisei no longer owns her IP. She owns her design years ago (which was also lost when her last PC broke down). Current Suisei IP belongs to Cover. She talked about it before
The rest can be applied to most of hololive, maybe except the "grown-up and experienced in the industry part".

>>108122188
>Continue ignoring the fact that Sakamata herself said that when she firmly told the management that she couldn't record the day after, they agreed to reschedule
Sakamata wasn't "made to work". She just didn't say "No" clear enough. In fact, she said exactly that right after telling that story, too.
Please tell me at least you aren't still using the MTL version of what she said despite people calling out how bad it was right after

>>108122188
Chloe wasn't made to work, she talked to her manager who encouraged her to work regardless, which she hesitantly accepted.
Bitch move, but not an obligation in the slightest.

i think we can safely conclude holomems are retarded women and cover is black company with shitty management

>>108122188
Chloe's work was for her own personal project which was going to hit a deadline and they still agreed to adjust the schedule after

>>108122183
>Kanata is a genuine retard, though
I think most people would disagree with you. She's fantastic in her groove, absolute idol. So why are you advocating for her sinking all her time into 'company projects' while she has passion and talent to perform the way she cares about, and she has to drive that on the side. Explain yourself

>>108122271
>I think most people would disagree with you.
100% of heimin agree with the notion that taso is in fact retarded, actually.
Watch streams, lurk threads, etc.

>>108122271
>So why are you advocating for her sinking all her time into 'company projects'
If you sign a contract to work on a project, you don't just get to break it because you want to work on something else instead.

>>108122271
Because she didn't have to sink all her time into company projects. She could've agreed to reschedule her own projects and took it easy for a month, or a few months. She even said that she could've taken a break - she just didn't want to because of her "idol aesthetics".
When her aesthetics involves working herself to death (in this case, of her career). It's retarded. Real idols do overwork themselves but even they know to stop and rest temporarily to keep themselves healthy enough when needed to

>>108122305
>the company changes
>'this isn't really what i want to be doing'
if that's why talent are leaving, fair enough. just don't keep pretending Hololive is talent first. by your own description.

>>108122361
Now you're just pivoting to different arguments entirely.

>>108122330
Kanata's aesthetic was likely formed from the image of Morning Musume or AKB48 and those girls exhausted themselves badly (but they didn't have Meniere's to deal with).
Like, look at the first 10-15seconds of this clip (only that much, not more)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QFRn-MKm8
that's what Kanata want to be except those girls knew to R & R while Kanata kept charging forwards with her projects

>>108121862
I can't count how many times I've heard holomems say that their managers told them to take a break.

this thread is full of people using the term "company projects". the talents apparently take on too many company and/or personal projects.
but what exactly are these "company projects" you are referring to?

>>108122378
It's funny how many anons expect a manager to fiercely argue against a talent's wishes, when that same talent can request another manager if she grows tired of you.
They're constructing a reality where they would have made all the right choices in an environment full of uncertainty.

>>108122361
No company is talent first, retard, that's a buzzword.

>>108122361
Funny you say that, because if anything
>the company changes
was what enabled Kanata to do all her projects. She wouldn't have either the fundings or the supports for all those projects if it was back in 2019-2020. Kanata doesn't want to just stream like what Holo initially mainly did. She loves the change towards idols, she just wasn't healthy enough to deal with it and Cover didn't grow fast enough to accommodate all their talents
If the company remained how it was years ago, maybe Kanata wouldn't have graduated, but it would only be because she wouldn't have a chance to chase after her dream to begin with

>>108122361
>just don't keep pretending Hololive is talent first
Hololive absolutely is talent first. Talents first doesn't mean that you can make a messy and refuse to clean it up.

>>108122378
FBK and Watame are two clear examples. I think Lamy mentioned that too.
Heck, Watame even tried to (playfully) avoid taking the forced break with all the "If I collabs with you guys on your channels (bakatare), it wouldn't count as streaming right?" or "What If I never end this stream?" (that was her last stream before the break).

@108122479
uh oh sister melty

oh, so all we had to do was tell Gura we wanted her to stream and she would have streamed
whoops, guess we never thought of that!

>>108121703
Corporate shill

Too many people who don’t understand the context keep replying. Please stop — it’s a nuisance.

>>108122492
Now that she is free from corporate jobs and forced projects by kurolive, she can stream all she wants.
And boy, does she LOVE streaming.

>>108121703
women hate being told what to do, while also blaming you if you do not tell them what to do after they fucked up

what projects are they talking about?
are the company projects in the room with us right now?

>>108122562
>while also blaming you if you do not tell them what to do after they fucked up
But they clearly blamed themselves? Are you just imagining scenarios to hate women now?

>>108122584
It's best to ignore incels, their only experience with women is their narcissistic mothers who beat them up when they were younger.

This is why China is superior. Japan is a shithole.

>>108122573
I mentioned Holowitches, but for whatever reason the HDF in this thread doesn't like being specific

>>108122285
They're not real impressed with Cover's management. You should know that already

I believe this is all true. At the same time, some or many talents feel like they need to do more and pile work on themselves until they burn out.

Suisei can pick and choose from whatever corpo collabs come along, but if a lesser talent decides to pass on an opportunity, that might be the last time they are ever offered anything for years.

Regarding Sakamata’s situation, we all understand that she quit because she couldn’t do only the things she wanted to do, right? And you’re deliberately ignoring the fact that the so‑called “management‑favored group” defended Cover all at once and got criticized for it. Please stop acting as if you’re the only ones presenting information fairly.

As a hololive fan for 6 years now, I don't like this idea of labeling everyone as an anti.
Things clearly are happening at hololive, but is not as bleak as sisters say it is, and it's neither nothing as some fanatics want to believe.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, and things can only improve if Cover is getting a good doze of criticism, in the form of making things better, and not in the form of "this company must close down and everyone must graduate".

this thread smells like SEA

>>108122851
My post will still be here after I kill myself, you know that, right?

>>108121774
Why are you like this

>>108122851
impressive level of seethe from such mild opinion

>>108121703
>trust me, I'm totally not just parroting corpo talking points
>source: me, one of the biggest talents in the company

>>108122952
Ok bro, take your meds.

uh oh brown melty

>>108122952
we'll be here forever while your kind gets replaced by muslims, africans and jeets

HEH
If this was a "bad girl" like Ao, this thread woulda been celebrating. Y'all ain't slick.

>>108122857
yeah sure, its le SEA. Not the cheetofinger Americans in their rooms and basements, sure!

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>>108122952
sweet melty

>>108122678
Yagoo is at fault for not hiring caretakers or babysitters. Either one can have the fiscal responsibility to change diapers when needed.

>>108121703
All holowhores, just like all holoniggers, are blatant liars.

>>108121703
>FACT: If enough people tell their oshi "I don't want to see your projects, I just want streams!", then they will start streaming more and overwork themselves less.

Why are you even watching at this point. You want to crush her dreams so you can get more minecraft slop? You call this oshikatsu?

>>108121703
>We can do whatever we want
Same goes for us, you stupid bitch. I am under no obligation to watch your low effort shit.

>>108124087
Suisei might be a great singer, but I haven't seen much from her that would indicate she's good at supporting other holomems

>>108121872
Japanese Idol's manager are a weird blend of regular management and just being a secretary for their idol/client/boss.
Should the nips use another word for that profession so normalfags like you don't get mad? Maybe.

>>108122981
>we'll be here forever
Wong, because you retarded apes cannot maintain infrastructure. As soon as western upkeep, imports and investment stop coming in you'll be back to the dark ages just like africans.

>>108124154
They actually need someone who is effective in that role. There's a reason a job like that exists

>>108121703
Everyone knows Choco sensei has been forced to do twelve sololives a year.

>>108124128
Most of her support is behind the scenes.

someone sign saba to a corpo so she actually streams pls

>>108121703
>The one that said these things is someone from the usual qlique
>8 People left the company this year (For comparison, it's 4 last year)
>3 from Holowitches
>Sakamata talked about overwork
>Shion talked about new things in the contract that weren't there before
>Kanata talked about overwork
>Also said that she had to do things outside of her usual role
Nothing wrong with hololive though

>>108124128
I just meant in general I don't understand the logic of telling your oshi to "just be a streamer" if they're working toward their idol dreams. It seems like you don't care for what they want. I don't watch hololive purely for my entertainment fwiw. I stick to oshis where their goals and my interests align.

>>108124659
Well it’s not overwork, since the other 3 that left (Gura, Fauna, Mumei) did jack shit.

>>108121703
FACT: 9 graduations in 2 years
FACT: The screencap happen BEFORE some of the graduations and is unable to explain why in such freedom with such a profitable job they still get mega burn out and want to graduate
FACT: Holodrones are unable to blame the company for anything

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>>108124859
Most graduations this year are due to people wanting to transition to indie streaming to avoid the 50% cut.

>>108124859
Hololive is going on 8 years. Not ever is gonna be there forever. Especially in the idol industry.

>>108121755
Ppl who willingly do things don't cite it as a reason when they leave

>>108121703
>years old clip
>difference in direction

>>108121863
>blame yourself or you're fired

>>108121872
sorry you're talking about the country that works itself to death, cover management only job is making sure people who are far more creative than them don't get to show it

>>108122395
Shit managers should be doing

>>108121844
>>108121863
>blame talents who isn't in clique and forced to overwork until they can't take it anymore
BLACK COMPANY

>>108124811
gura and mumei both mentioned having their voice worked to shit so try again

Yeah, they are stupid and they will try to blame anyone other than themselves if some fans get tired of or upset that streams start to slow down. Who would have guessed that making money and doing what they want to do are two very big parts of the job, and all of this shit comes down to balancing viewer expectations while not getting people to run away in droves as you give them less overall.

>>108124916
>Make hundreds thousands bucks from merch
>Membership is still her #1 source of income
Holy shit, I wonder how many real (non-ARS) members she has

>>108125316
She's simply lying retard

>>108125327
Or maybe she actually has 30-50K+ members...

>>108125344
We know she has around 10k and it literally would not matter if she has 30-50k with her watch time

>>108121862
Except when they do that you get Ao.

>>108125413
Haachama and korone next

>>108122271
>Clearly I shouldn't have taken on these tasks without knowing what I was getting into. Lesson learned from now on. No way, fuck that I'm gonna quit instead!

>>108121703
>Talents don't need to accept projects they don't want
Unless they are Chloe. Then they need to come in for recording while they're dying of Rona

>>108121703
FACT: Talents can't do the projects they want but they're forced to lick the boots of the draconian management. Male collabs/male branch? EN Censorship? Hell yes!
FACT: Talents rarely get paid even if they overwork
FACT: If enough people knew what's going on behind their NDA, Hololive would be sued to death

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>>108126456
She said those tasks were outside her "intended responsibilities", picrel.
>executive meddling
I think it's more likely this. Suits have some bright idea like Holowitches and dump the work on the talent. Kanata ends up doing her "personal projects" (ie. the idol dream) on the side at her own expense because her managers are not strong or senior enough to effectively push back on top-level management and shut down their initiatives. Meanwhile you have this going on all over the company, which is why it's systemic and not attributable to any one talent in particular. It's a rrat but it's pretty common to see this in corporate environments. Without some kind of competent bridge like A-Chan with a foot in both management and talent, it's very easy that the company loses its internal cohesion.

>>108125488
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(

>>108122378
management is literally the talents' boss. they should do things rather than offer meaningless platitudes.

>>108126482

>>108122252
>>108122257
>>108122264

>>108121703
Then they will bitch about being control by their fans.

>>108124659
>>Shion talked about new things in the contract that weren't there before
I do think the Hololive contracts are getting worse but the NDA stops them from giving any details. There was something that triggered that large graduation wave. Some talents are okay with multiple concerts every year but Fauna clearly wasn't and she wouldn't have graduated if they were optional.

>just tell the girl you want more streams and less of everything else
"we" tried and the result was absolutely miserable for both sides