>>108153556
Kanata would come back if they did

Your assumption of overwork is that the onus is purely on Cover.

>>108153556
ID doesn’t deserve rights
All they do is leech and collab with males

>>108153633
This. We don't care about IDs, all of them should be exploited until they get in bad shape and decide to graduate. Total homowhore death.

>>108153633
Eat hot chip and male collab

>Talent takes on responsability
>Talent takes on personal work for themselves
>Both ramp up in their need to be attentive and present for the production
>Talent gets stressed because they willingly walked into something without realizing how much there'd be to do
>"Oopsie sorry guys, my streams are cancelled! I'm SOOO tired from all the work I'm doing!"
>Work is hard, constant attention needed.
>Finally see a slowdown with the tail end of a project or both coming.
>Talent does the same loop because they want money while also futhering their own interest.
>Repeat ad nauseum

>>108153556
On the one hand Holo ID gets more lenience since they aren't given much expectation like JP or even EN. On the other hand Zeta tries to involve herself a lot with the happenings at JP and EN so she will get the overwork overload some of the talents there gets. Zeta is likely overworked like Ollie.

>>108153657
its almost like its a manager's job to MANAGE THE TIME of the talent so they dont get burned out.

>>108153657
>skips the part where Cover doesn't help them to manage these issues at all

>>108153644
Yes

>>108153666
the only overwork Ollie gets is having to satisfy the sexual needs of 10+ male talents

>>108153667
>>108153673
Yeah, Cover talent management sucks and is more on the side of the corporation than the talents, but it's your fault if you don't realize it after having the cycle repeat a few times.

>>108153698
It's Cover's fault for not changing a thing after so many talents asked for it. Next year isn't looking good.

>>108153721
Let them leave. Most of them will continue to do it because they willingly put themselves into that situation continuously and can then use it tp farm sympathy from their viewers.

Kanatan was suggested to take a break on her sololive project, but she refused
it's partially on herself

>>108153721
Good, if they can’t handle this, they’re not in it for the fans and the idol journey

>>108153698
its not like cover management is some unmoveable institution, its 800 braindead retards. a couple more big names leave and either shareholders will demand restructuring or the whole company will slowly sink away.

Remember when women complain about being overworked, they almost never are

>>108153813
I don't know why fans complain and why antis use this angle as a win, members graduating and showing they have no passion for Hololive is good. They are filtering themselves.

>>108153822
in the office im at its almost exclusively the 50s and up dudes who complain the most. i have send them 5 emails and 6 phone calls just to get them to fill out a PO in the same month that they purchased something. sure, women really dont have any idea what working hard is actually like, but old men are the least productive members of any company and should be shot.

>>108153633
the entire HoloEN group leeches from HoloJPs success, they should be terminated too

>>108153906
i agree. EN was a massive mistake

>>108153906
>>108153923
Same, only JP matters

>>108153906
Yep we should just get rid of JP so everyone else has to work harder

>>108153813
Idols are self-absorbed narsassists to their core. They want to be adored and loved by as many people as they can possibly appeal to without changing much about themselves or what they want to publicly present as. The fans matter only insofar as a means to propel themselves even further into popularity, attention, and money. Why anyone would want to attach themselves as a fan to someone who openly works to outgrow them is beyond me. It's why I chose to watch vtubers and not support some random shitters dancing/singing career. As a side project it's fine, but once it becomes a main focus and takes over too much of the 'tuber' part of vtuber, that bitch can get kicked to the curb.

>>108153556
They didn't learn from the last dozen resignations, why would they now?
They NEVER considered the company and idol streaming company
They think they're a tech and IP management company and hope to soon eliminate the troublesome talent and streaming aspects and purely sell merch and scripted content of their own original holoearth centric characters

>>108153667
Also not getting paid for months and 90% of your salary getting reinvested in making content for Cover.

>>108153971
now this is schizophrenia

>>108153989
but enough about Vshojo and Niji

>>108153667
Silly anon, what they manage is the time of their OVULATION so their talents don't don't get pregnant, that's literally it, anything else is a plus or a favor.

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>>108154003
The holoearth faggot openly states this, he thinks his own Gura/Kanata mascot Mithra will be the future of the vompany

>>108153667
one of the stars said he likes their manager because they let him wait until the last minute to get projects done

>>108154060
>isreal
Fuck me

>>108154094
Where have you been? Cover has talked multiple times about how they're trying to figure out how to farm out the IP without needing the talent behind it to insure future growth through issues like graduation. The card game? HoloEarth? The inevitable gacha game?

>>108153906
JP was nowhere till gura got popular sit back down

>>108154111
I was trying my best to ignore all that as an irrelevant side project. This is horrible news anon

>>108154111
drones love to look away from things that contradict their opinions

>>108154129
More than 60% of the cover workforce is for holoearth by the way

>>108153657
You also forgot the part where the company goes:
>You personally will never be acknowledged for any of this, part of the money from this work will come to us, if you need money we can loan it to you to do the job WE need to pay for but you have to pay us back too.

Its insane how in this fucking industry the company DEMANDS you do projects so that you continue to work for them but at the same time they MAKE you either use your own money or take it from them. Its worse than a loan shark, at least its entirely your choice to go visit the loan shark.
Before some retard starts sperging, yes they are forced to take projects if they want to work, otherwise why would they be hired. Its like me working for a company that asks me to do videos but they require my videos to have equipment that only they own

>>108154237
One name destroys your's and every other schizo's argument.
>Ayame

>>108153576
The only logical and moral assumption to make.

>>108154264
I really don't understand how you can be a person that actively works in this world and also be able to write such a comment. There are people in companies that do less work than others and they coast around by being a company pet or leaving others get more pressure put onto them.

>>108154237
multiple talents including Kiara and Fubs straight up said you can refuse projects
the only downside is the personal reputation

>>108153941
It's funny because the people who are leaving are the ones who are treating this as a side project, Meanwhile, people like Mori and Suisei are continuing racking up those anime OPs and EDs.

Keep seething.

>>108154304
And making money...and not falling for the social pressure others put on you to do projects that HAVE to be made and will be put onto the people who cave.

Why do these niggers reply to each other like ai scripts?

>>108154330
because it's all ai generated slop

>>108154271
Only if you never worked with women before.
They love to take on way more work than they can handle only to turn around and beg everyone else for help with their projects. Then they do it again and again and again...

>>108154330
Because they are using chatgpt to translate their posts from whatever third world country they are from.

>>108154304
>You can refuse, we'll just give your work to your best friend, it's not a big deal~

>>108154363
It's fun when you start making up head canon when faced with the talent's own words.

>>108154304
Also nigger do you think that when Coca Cola knocks at the door of Cover and their eyes glow with yen signs they will just care for the people saying no? Its fucking Mcdonalds, its Coca Cola dude, they come, they say we need this and then the cover ninjas start pressuring people into dancing around like monkeys, nobody refuses that kind of money, and by nobody refusing that kind of money i mean that you will be made to not refuse that kind of work.

>>108154320
>And making money
personal projects of talents in 90% of cases lose money and don't make it back
also Hololive pays regular salary regardless of project amount, which is different from Nijisanji

>>108154379
>He trusts the talents under heavily restrictive contracts
kwab

>>108154395
Wow, this reeks like heavy projection from some 2view.

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>>108153556
Cover should ban them about talking about being bogged down with deadlines. It's bad optics.

>>108153556
- manager tells holo she's too busy to accept more projects
- holo says on stream that her manager is preventing her from doing projects
- you complain that management is restricting your oshi

btw, this kinda happened with korone
- korone does long streams for days
- manager tells her to take a break
- f*cktards get angry saying management won't let korone stream

>>108154580
They should. I'm tired of hearing the whining about it. If you want to be retarded and take more on when you know exactly what happens with projects and have been through the sing and dance multiple times, you can but it's entirely your fault when you can't stream as much.
>Please wait for me
>I promise I'll be back soon
>I know you guys like this thing but I'm just so busy I don't have time right now.
>Please be excited that I'll actually have consistancy once every 2-3 months and in 3 years when I can't scrounge up the funds anymore because my fanbase shrinks, I'll 100% be around to suck you off regularily.

>>108154616
Korosan manager is honestly a godsend

>>108154616
I get angry when they can't stream over "homework" that's stuff that will never see the light of day yes

>>108154116
lmao even HoloCN was more important to Hololive's success than HoloEN

>>108154788
Gura created hololive

>>108154788
If only there was simple data on hololives growth before, during and after guras explosion

>>108153644
yes, I hope they keep treating them like shit.

>>108154755
Large majority of those "homeworks" aren't mandatory and a big part of those just came from personal projects.
Don't know who your oshi is, but you most likely saw the result of those homeworks, you just didn't recognize it.

>>108154818
JP was already on the rise going into Myth's debut, but it 100% propelled them forward. I don't doubt they would have gotten to where they are today without EN, but I think it helped accelerate the growth in popularity with the injection of a worldwide fanbase instead of being pretty insular to Japan.

>>108154999
The 'homeworks' are usually optional, but a large majority of them are ads and merch that they're getting paid to do.

>>108155100
Those ads and limited merchs aren't mandatory either, though.

>>108153556
Overwork? More like last minute work before deadline. Bunch of lazy workers. They can refuse or accept the work/project.

>>108155272
Did you not understand the word 'optional' that was in that sentence?

>>108154225
>>108154129
Anyone who spends even a few minutes reading the things the Holoearth director has said is filled with anger
But the corposimps won't even look, it's heresy to them

>>108153556
I dunno why people never assume the talent also might have procrastinated or was busy with other things. It is a job after all.

what a bunch of schizo theories in this thread

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>>108153633
>>108153644
>>108154864

>>108155378
gimme link to the articles

>>108153556
op is a tranny
>I want to clarify one thing so that no unnecessary speculation:
>i am not graduating because of a romantic partner, marriage, pregnancy,
>i am not graduating because of disagreements with anyone in the company or burnout

>>108153556
>Kanata graduates because she was overworked
Kanata graduated because her ears are exploding

You act like they are forced to do this.
I shit on Cover all the time, but this is a thing the talents chose to do.
Coco chose to work absurd hours and end up abusing sleeping pills just to get a good nights rest.
Kanata chose to overwork herself, making her health issues worse.
Zeta will likely regret this mindset in time as well.
I did it myself and regretted the damage it done to me.

There's a reason people who work "24 hour schedules" are paid absurd amounts of money for it, because the damage is does to the body long term is crazy.
People who have very niche skillsets and can be needed at a moments notice should be paid for that sacrifice.
It's not a thing I would do. No amount of money will save you from long term damage done to the body.
Having 100 million in the bank isn't helpful when your body is falling apart, no amount of medical intervention will reverse that.
I'd rather be poor and able to enjoy myself at a reasonable pace without 10 comorbidities.

>>108153556
>Cover still overworking members

Its their job. J O B. they work for a company. They are not paid to just play games.

>>108153556
>using Zeta as an example
Everyone knows Zeta is pon and she can't manage her time, neither her sleep schedule.

>>108153633
Obsessed.

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>>108154818
yeah, if only

This entire thread is a pretty big reminder that Holodrones simp for the company more than they simp for the girls.

>>108155378
It's not surprising everyone is so demotivated, I'd be fucking seething if I saw my boss just burning money hand over fist and ballooning the staff numbers 200% on a pet project everyone sensible can see from a mile away will never make a cent of profit and is slowly destroying the company from the inside out, but no one is stopping him or telling him the truth.

>>108158523
You still need a reminder for that?

>>108153633
They're still a real branch with funding and a need to stream

>>108158574
What's tripping me out is that Cover doesn't seem to have a single senior position devoted to artist management.
https://cover-corp.com/en/company
Did they just not think to onboard someone from the music industry?

>>108163175
Again, they do not and never have seen themselves as a streaming talent or idol agency, they just see all of this as a random bit of temporary luck on their way to their real job as a tech and IP mixed media company with a central metaverse

>>108163580
I don't even understand what is their goal or purpose because none of what they do even make sense.

If you are a technological company shouldn't you be making AAA games or some webseries of the characters?.
Like they barely even make changes to the models technology.
Hell even for the games they depend on the fans, is a complete fucking joke.

I think that is just cope they use because they can't accept they are just a talent agency.