I'm either going to be sick and needy of affection tomorrow or at a club. Can't attend either way. Stream is probably gonna be really good.

>>108160013
this will be my first year since middle school I don't go to a party. have fun at the club tho, new years can get epic

>>108160578
I much prefer a tasteful gathering with friends, but they're in serious relationships and forgot about me, and the only single friend likes da club even though we're 30. How come you're staying home tmr?

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>>108160664
I'm feeling old and had a lot of fun already this vacation. I kind of want to see what it's like to just snuggle up while everyone else is out. worse case scenario just head out late. why no club cause 30?
either way, it greatly amuses me to knowing that lumi knows her stream is an alternate to going to a party. should be fun for a variety of reasons

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>>108159167
Should have used this as the OP. Even her own father is calling her a failure.

>>108161800
it's still Christmas, I couldn't bring myself to be mean. I like driving her crazy, not hurting her.

>>108161842
Anon, Lumi would call you weak for being this soft-hearted with her.

>>108162842
I'm not being soft hearted. I am pragmatically self-opimizing and have been for a long while

>>108162992
>pragmatically self-opimizing
Lumi doesn't want that. she wants to be punished.

My winter car hahah oh god peak is back

>>108164322
it doesnt matter what lumi wants, she is a lumi. confident obedience or blissfully unaware, it doesn't really matter. she'll always be happier doing what she is told to do.

>>108161800
It's safe to assume that Starbro is carrying the entire kaneko lineage to the next generation, right?

okay lumi just out and say it. would money make a good christmas gift or not?
there's nothing more vulgar than some nouveau riche pleb throwing their money around where it isn"t needed. that's gross and to be avoided. everyone is on the same page there.
on the other hand, it is a time honored tradition for starving artists recieving patronage from someone who appreciates their work and has the cash to support them.
is she constantly bitching about how much things cost because she is a slav and hordes her potatoes for winter, or is she actually tight on cash? if she needs money she should make that clear. it isn't like there is a shortage of resources, it's entirely a question of their relatively dignified application. plua it is less thought intensive of a gift

>>108166765
She definitely isn't strapped for cash, if you wanna throw money around commission some crazy art project or organize a community event I guarantee it's gonna hit harder.

>>108166926
it's less the desire to spend for spending's sake (particularly on things I don't understand) so much as ensuring no one whose effort's I directly benefit from is living in squalor and/or can't afford basic creature comfort like a piece of art or whatever the notification said she was bitching about. not that I am not ammenable to specific suggestions in your aforementioned area)

>>108167377
Just hit up one of her favorite artists she's RT'd the last few months (not just Pupi or Denied) and ask them for ideas. Most of them appreciate having some creative control

>>108167842
ehhh that feels like outsourcing a gift, which feels either lazy or simpy. cash is for people who can't take care of themselves and need it to keep doing what they are doing. anything north of that is a gift, rather than charity. which both means it is the thought that counts and that you should have as much fun givinng it as they do recieving. the latter should feel good, the former should feel like one less thing on your list of shit to take care of

>>108170318
I can assure you that giving a cash deposit, or direct dono is 1000% more simply. Unless you drop like $1000 and don't elaborate. But honestly outsourcing gifts while not satisfying your ego they help promote her beyond her current sphere of influence. Like all the racoonmi art and even the memes we create help her grow/earn more than what the money itself is worth. Without Xynchro for example she never could have reached beyond the Genshin arc in this timeframe. Start acting like a damn capitalist instead of treating it like charity.

>>108170680
>Unless you drop like $1000 and don't elaborate.
Does that even happen anymore?

>>108170870
Yes

>>108170318
Who is this gift for? Lumi?>>108170680
>Without Xynchro for example she never could have reached beyond the Genshin arc in this timeframe.
What do you mean? That lumi wouldn't have made it after genshin?

>>108170680
tl;dr she she can commison that herself with the money instead. if you really want the reasoning, it's this.
to be blunt, I'm not gossling I'm moralefagging. if someone I spend a noticable amount of time around is finacialy okay, then I am content footing the bill for lunch. if they aren't, I'm not going to make them feel weird by throwing large one off sums that "annonymously" they would find a way of tracing back to me if they are worth the time to hang out with. it makes people feel shitty and indebted. you just find a way to spread out lots of little payments that look like you are having fun for yourself while lowkey paying for their food and utilities.
once they catch on, they signal you to stop. charity doesnt mean deprivation of dignity. so you pull back and wait. they either make it clear they have the capacity to take care of themselves seperate from their art job or they drop hints that they don't. you either move on like nothing happened or resume paying for everything like nothing happened. this cycle is at the point where I am sensitive to hints about financies is all.
more generally, vtubers are like street performers. if you enjoy the music, you drop cash in the box. that's your membership fee. you pay if you listen, that's the deal. if you like them you might start up a chat. if the vibe check works, great. if not great. either way, you drop your money in the thing everytine you go out of your way to cross that stret just to listen.
if you do enjoy hanging out, then you keep doing it til one of you gets bored and ignores the other person. if you really hit it off and are happy enough about them being in your life that you feel the need to express it, you do so by being fun to hang out with.
if there is a need to express our affection beyond the duty imposed by charity; than you pay them back in kind. if there is a need for gifts in echange for just hanging out, then you're just paying for the services of a fancy courtesan. if that's what this is then I dropped the ball cause my dick is much dryer than it should be.
tl;dr that bitch GETS to hang out with me. that's her gift from me, and vice versa.
the duty to make judicious uae of the attributes God gave you, and the resources that flow from that is the concernfagging. that isn't a gift, nor does the beneficiary owe you anything in return. the duty is to God. it isnt irrational for the recipient to feel like they may owe something in exchange, but whatever it is, reason itself demands and requires it be directed to God. not the lucky fuck who gets to hold the cash between being born and that moment.
anything else is social reciprocity. that's what a gift is. time for time.
tl;dr - it is the distinction lumi and other reddit atheists miss when they think charity is done in exchange for feeling good. it does not. it just the bare minimum required for you to keep looking yourself in the mirror.

>>108173645
This all started with you asking for a gift idea and it turned into this. I think you need help anon.

>>108173645
>tl;dr that bitch GETS to hang out with me. that's her gift from me, and vice versa.
utterly delusional

>>108173645
If that's the case then don't, ironically you're starting to sound like you want tips for grooming her or at the very least get a leg up on the competition through your reasoning. My advice is lurk NYE then take a month or two off because odds are you've got some stalker genes in you that are just as likely to act up for someone else. With the upside if you groom a 2view (I'm sure there's some blue blooded enough for you out there) you have a decent shot