nice melty, op

she should lock it for a month that's how often she checks anyways

>>108230706
ok, and why is she wrong?

>>108230706
Just wait a week then

>>108230718
fpbp

did she also purge the comments featuring the country that is a bannable offense to type out?

So she has time to mass delete comments, but can barely be bothered to tweet or stream? That or she’s having her Swedish sausage and meatballs moderate for her, either way chumkeks continue to be the laughing stock of the community

>>108230706
You mean her pojkvän locked them down. Saba wouldn't be caught dead near her YouTube channel.

>>108230706
>nooooooooooo women must let me harass them without fighting back like in good fatherland hindustan

>>108230776
I'm deleting it for her.

It probably would have been for the best if she stayed at Cover. She’d have a much easier time of hiding behind the image of a big bad corporation that drowns her in projects to where she can’t stream instead of a mysterious unknown illness. Which is just as likely to be mental instead of physical if she is being serious this entire time.

whats more funny is that even if she did let you cucks comment, its not like its gonna make her stream immediately or change her current place of residence

Saba just finding she can't outrun herself no matter where she is. Weak body even weaker mind.

>>108230706
based get fucked

QRD? What happened?

>>108231013
incel melty

>>108231013
OP having a melty

Good, maybe you will start being a fucking pest now... oh wait, you are still going to be one in here

>>108231013
saba keep getting comments about her life in certain country

>>108231013
typical saba absence, claims to come back at a convenient time for memberships. also people are still mad about a twitter update revealing she's in sweden for some reason

OP is having a meltdown
Did another Phase whore get blacked again?

>NOOO I CANT SPAM HER COMMENTS ABOUT SW*DEN AND SHIT

>>108231064
You're really mad that you can't shitpost in her comments anymore huh?

>cuckbuds still recycling the same cope from over the past 5 years on why it’s totally ok for her to ghost and not stream >>108231074

coca cola cope thread

>>108231119
stop crying incel

So what *about* Sweden actually happened?
Saba moved there or something?

>>108231064
“For some reason.” It literally confirms the biggest rrat about her, that she lied about being in the US and has been in Sweden since like 2021. Also her being a bitch to Kiara and ghosting her when she tried to meetup thinking she was in the US when Kiara had her concert there.

>>108231152
who cares?

>>108231107
didn't say I was mad? someone wanted a QRD, I gave it.

>>108231178
Obviously she does if she then proceeded to hide her Twitter location to “EU” after it was revealed to be Sweden. And how she has it as a blacklisted term and went on a block spree in the comments

>>108231178
You

>>108230812
Saba should've moved to a Muslim country so she could be punished for her whorish ways

>>108231215
why do (You) care, nobody cares about you pretending to be from a first world country either

>>108231215
She doesn't want freaks like you to know where she lives, what a shock.

At this point what's the reason to follow and give her money? No content, probably cucking you, annoying fanbase. Is it just low IQ?

>>108231165
>"why has she been gone for a month?" with replies from /vt/ shitposters
"shitposters"

>>108231119
Calm down phasecuck, go enjoy your blacked whores

>>108231248
But Sweden is a Muslim country

>>108230812
>fighting back
She could have stopped all this by just moving on, she chose to be a grifter.

>>108231165
>Move to the rape capital of the world

>>108231136
You are the only incel here though.

>>108231013
1. Saba disappears and ghosts people for over a month (as so often)
2. People start to ask questions like where is she or what is she up to
3. She doesn't want to face that criticism and locks comments or deletes them while other fans go "if you hadn't complained she wouldn't have left, you're at fault" while completely missing the part where she ghosted everyone first before anyone complained

Rinse and repeat, she's done this like 5-6 times now.

A lot of samefagging seethe itt. He got really mad after his shitposting got deleted I guess. Is this really how you're spending your new year's? That's just sad

>>108231259
Sweden “first world country” >>108231260
More like her ass got revealed to be the lying whore she always was, and panicked

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>>108230706
>Coca Cola bad
>literal Hebrew propaganda good

>>108231264
>No content, probably cucking you, annoying fanbase
But enough about nijinand and phase

>>108231334
Better than spending it cucking your sad deluded fans who spend new years continuing the same cope about why she doesn’t stream for almost 2 months now

>>108231074
>>108231277
Why are holobronies so obsessed with black cock?

Mint confrimed she's sick, no? she talked with her?
>>108231260
well, now the "freaks" know. But she will still deny the information to her loyal fans, as per usual with vtubers. Give attention to antis while you ignore the fans.

>>108231441
Holocucks have members like Riona and Cali, the local bbc enthusiasts. And you know what they say, fans reflect the talent

Qrd on what happened in Phase again?

>>108231441
>>108231490
Why are you dragging us into this? Saba is an indie, not a holomem. We will not justify her or defend her anymore, kanikis can fend for themselves.

>>108231373
So you really are having an actual meltdown because she deleted your shitposting. Wow, doesn't take a lot to mindbreak you huh?

>>108230706
Fucking finally, took her long enough. Still, 1 week is too short, just make it members only and turn off member gifting (so AryanCunnyRapist1488 doesn't gift a bunch of members to antis). A mod would also be good, but for some reason doesn't like having them, not even as Gura, but then getting one guy'd by antis into not streaming is retarded. Just go full North Korea on the comments and chat and watch all your problems go away, Saba. Antis only harass you this much because you made it easy for them.

>>108231517
a holobbcbrony made this thread

Everyone complaining about this is one of those she blocked and deleted btw.

>wait a week
>post anyway
You have to see it to delete it. Doesn't really change anything. Plus, why bother with comments on a channel you aren't going to use?

>>108231548
>A mod would also be good, but for some reason doesn't like having them, not even as Gura,
because she doesn't trust her fans, simple as. She won't pay for someone either because she's cheap.

>>108231590
For real, are people really that delusional to think that she’d let one of her rabid fans be a mod. That’s asking for trouble, giving a fan that much authority in the community. It’s bad enough on any fan discord servers the troon mods there

>>108231264
>shitposters
I mean yeah, shitposters. Since all the replies were saying how she's sucking swede cock and is getting dicked down. Tell me that isn't shitposting.

>>108230706
KWAB

>>108231647
It wouldn't just have to be a mod, it would have to be someone who is familiar with why Sweden needs to be deleted from all comments lmao. She won't let anyone do this except for like... dooby or a family member if she lets them near her job.

>>108231590
Just ask her bf then

>>108231290
>grifter
Do you Seaposters even know the definition of that word?

>>108231665
>shitposting is when telling the truth

>>108231725
explain how saba is not a grifter.

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i've never seen the schizo this mindbroken

>>108231725
Uh yeah, someone who gets into something with no actual passion or care for it just to grief from its fans for ez money. Seems like she’s the exact definition of that, putting in barely the minimum effort the past 5-6 years just to cash in when her membership renewal starts

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>>108231539
You can't make that shit up, lol.

>>108231745
of course he's mad after saba cucked him for years
the deflection he keeps running is embarrassing and we're all laughing at cuckbuds

>>108231776
>Why can't Sven or whatever his name
That got disproven almost instantly. He got doxxed within a day after people were shitposting with him.

> no adblock
> tourist
you should be blocked

>>108231739
>Truth

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>I wish I could get out of bed one last time... not to stream or to wish kaniki merry christmas, but to moderate the comments on my latest stream from 2 months ago...

>>108230776
>So she has time to mass delete comments, but can barely be bothered to tweet or stream?
Gura did sign the Cover NDA so there is no way Saba can directly explain the years of malicious compliance in Hololive. She can never directly explain all her mysterious breaks, or why Gura dodged every single holiday collab starting in 2022, or why she was so angry with management after Sana announced her graduation. Her actions in 2025 though are similar to how things went in 2022 with that stealth suspension that Ina got after telling viewers that she didn't like revealing outfits. It's close enough that it does remind fans of how Ina and Gura both vanished for months in late 2022.

The big question is why she would go this far to remind fans of "health" breaks from 3 years ago but the Nexus gate portal and the Drawn to Dawn concert both feel like they are leading to major changes in Hololive. Cover could have quickly given out model redesigns in 2022 with Sana, Ina, and Kronii to settle the contract disputes with the EN talents so there will be a lot of Cover gaslighting and damage control in the next several months. Saba can't do anything about how things ended in Hololive but I do think she wants fans to understand what caused those years of fighting with management because this will be her last chance to make it clear.

>>108231863
Ok, whoever she's with (she's clearly with someone), why can't that faggot mod for her once in a while? Doesn't he love her? Why would he let her suffer this bullshit?

>>108231264
I would actually prefer it if she was seeing somebody. Call me a cuck if you enjoy being wrong, I'm not smacking my salami to the idea, I just think it's generally better for people to not be alone if they aren't built for it (and most aren't).
Also, I see no reason why it should matter what country she's living in. Most of them have Internet afaik, she doesn't have to live in the US to do her thing.
Shit, I'm not even membered to Saba, only ever been a casual fan of Holos/ex-Holos in general, but the amount that people care about this is baffling to me.
Call me a sincerefag/cuck/whatever, but this is weird even for /vt/ fans.

>>108231887
Uh yeah she lives in Sweden? Sorry you’re this delusional to still be coping about it?

>>108231894
lel

>>108231910
>Ok, whoever she's with (she's clearly with someone)
You really wanna believe that, huh?

>>108231906
I missed you, outfitschizo o7 Happy New Year!

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>>108231743
>>108231768
I see no swindling? Her fans buy her merch and shit willingly.

>>108231165
what the fuck is a forsen?

2026 and people still care enough about this to get upset? how many years until you accept she doesn't stream very much? for your own mental health watch somebody else and move on man

>>108231931
I mean, I don't. But I'm not fucking stupid. Odds of her not having someone is like 5%.

>>108231991
It's revenge for all the times Kanikis acted like assholes towards other fandoms. Same as Saplings.

>>108231992
What's his secret? Can't be money, cause she's made more than his entire family. Can't be being distant and ugly, otherwise she would fall for me. WTF did he do to win her over?

>>108231906
Fuck off Outfitschizo. All your Gura delusions fell flat. Still gonna keep trying in 2026?

>>108231913
>Shit, I'm not even membered to Saba, only ever been a casual fan of Holos/ex-Holos in general
That's why your opinion is irrelevant and shouldn't be voiced.

>>108231776
Because there's nobody. She's all by herself. All her activity including comment moderation happens when she's active.

>>108232035
I assume you have actual evidence for this? Something that isn't shit from the catalog larpers?

>>108232050
he's not a mentally ill schizo that has meltdowns on 4chinz

>>108232050
I don't know how they do it, I suspect that with streamers, influencers and the like. They get so used to fawning simps that they end up mistrusting them and loathing men that are kind to them

>>108232035
So it's the seething holocucks malding at Saba

>>108231913
weird cuck cope

>>108231991
everyone's going to accuse me of samefagging, I'm sure, but I agree wholeheartedly.
whether she's sick of streaming or wants to stream and genuinely can't, y'all gotta move on. be pleasantly surprised if she comes back, but take care of yourselves first. this shit is seriously unhealthy.

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>>108232035
>It's revenge

>>108231978
the promise is increased streaming activity, which is eternally postponed with vague excuses while loyal fans keep paying in the hope that she returns. if this was a patreon you'd call her a grifter too

>>108230706
>img_
this is the funniest meltdown I've seen in a while.
Great job, OP

>>108232166
Sabacucks just can’t help themselves

>>108231978
>buy willingly
Wtf do you think the word swindling means anon

>>108232153
Just cut the money off, already. Would any of your day to day jobs allow anything remotely like this behavior from you?
If she's really dealing with something then I feel sorry for her, but having a dozen meltdown threads a day about this is poison. You are killing yourselves with this shit, and I'd bet $20 that there's at least 3 of you who don't deserve it. Take that membership money and use it for a superchat to another chuuba that you like and might have a funny reaction to something you have to say.

>>108231165
Impressive research by that anon.

>>108231978
Only possible argument with that definition would be to say "it's not small scale", lmao

>>108231308
That doesn't sound like she moved to Washington DC

>>108230812
ok, saba. Now stop typing stupid shit nobody cares about and stream, you lazy bitch.

>>108232303
>Just cut the money off, already.
what money?
Superchats are off and there's no merch being sold.

Her winning loli of the year really upset troons huh?

>>108232376
Doesn't she have Youtube memberships enabled?

>>108232402
No, she turned them off

>>108232416
Holy shit then LEAVE HER ALONE YOU IDIOTS
FFS she's asking LITERALLY NOTHING FROM YOU
UNSUBSCRIBE AND GET THERAPY

>>108232416
Liar

>>108232303
It's not a job, it's a hobby, memberships are basically voluntary donations

>>108232153
She never promised "increased streaming activity".

>>108232402
yes, memberships are enabled
>>108232416
no she didn't what the fuck are you talking about?

>>108230706
Saba's butt really turns me on.
Also get some adblock

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"I will play videogames when I feel like it"

>REEEEEE WHY NO STREAM?????
>WHERE ARE THE TWEETS!!!!!
>WHY DO YOU KEEP DISAPPEARING AND GHOSTING YOUR FANS!!!
>STOP MAKING SO MUCH MONEY
>WHY ARE YOU MODERATING AND REMOVING DOXXING FROM YOUR COMMENTS WTF!!!
>SHE MUST BE FUCKING MEN!

>>108232472
Just renewed my membership on the 28, today morning I got an email from Google that this Youtube membership has been cancelled, yada yada. Either she turned it off, or Jewtube fucking got her.

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>>108231894
I'll never get tired of this meme

>>108232035
It's clearly working. Look at how butthurt they are.
Keep making sock puppets and posting comments KEK

>>108232153
Instead of melting and seething, post the promise she said then.

>>108230706
Love to see her fall from grace. You can only openly hate your fans for so long

>>108232632
But enough about Nimi

>>108232632
Life is made of decisions and consequences.
Want to focus on work? You get more money and career opportunities but less time for yourself, friends and your family, and fallouts will happen
Want to do the opposite? That's your choice, but you'll suffer in the other direction

>>108231894
ok i laughed

>>108232632
>The gray names spamming doxx shit on her comments are her fans
Sure thing, buddy.

>>108232632
I don't think she hates her fans. She's just got something - whether it's actual illness or a lack of interest - that keeps her from being a regular streamer. And she's understandably very protective of her private life, so she doesn't talk about whatever that thing is.
The obvious solution is to just watch someone else.

>>108232712
>She's just got something.... that keeps her from being a regular streamer.
yeah it's called children

>>108232628
i'm not melting, just clarifying why i think she's a grifter. i don't actually watch her and usually don't post in these
but it's not really important if there was a spoken or unspoken promise. it's implied she will eventually stream more than she is now, because why would anyone stick around for a no streams chuba, right?
the cynical string along is keeping these people paying for as long as possible while doing as little as possible.

>>108232055
>Fuck off Outfitschizo. All your Gura delusions fell flat.
There were 6 graduations in 2025 because of management disagreements it's funny that you are still claiming that highly sexualized designs couldn't trigger fights in the EN branch. Some of the talents did not join Hololive to be sexy waifus and it's obvious that was a major issue for Sana who even now uses a bird PNG on her RM account. Even if you know little about Ina and Kronii their are many signs they are embarrassed to have skimpy default outfits.

>>108232055
>Still gonna keep trying in 2026?
Astel got a 2.0 model redesign because of dimensional travel. Aruran got a 2.0 model redesign because of different versions of him from other dimensions. Nexus gate portal lore indicates EN talents traveling through other dimensions and it would be funny if Cover did the exact same thing a third time...

hey ah, you know, maybe she's just way too abrasive and doesnt know it and does what she wants because she can just for shits and giggles

>>108232735
having a melty about someone you don't even watch, amazing

>>108232735
Sounds to me like you're seething because she's more popular and beloved than your 2view indie/phase whore oshi desu

>>108232760
Happy new year outfitschizo. Please slam your dick with a car door

>>108232732
Okay, if that's true then good for her.
Changes nothing for everyone else.
Move on.

>>108231215
I mean i'd be ashamed too...that country just sucks

>>108232532
>>108232416
I can go to her fucking channel page and fucking press the join button right now, tard.
This is more pathetic than when you sabafags tried gaslighting the board about what was displayed on her twitter about page.

>>108232632
>t. Retard nominee
She gonna stream eventually and people gonna watch her and you going to seeth because she will get high viewers than you whore. Also I'm not a kaniki, i just give you a reality check on every popular streamer with their retarded schizo seething "why x still popular, it's not fair"

Dude, this is all so tiresome. Can't she have a private life outside vtubing? More, she was never the most active anyway, since 2022 she's underdelivering. If too angry, cut ties and move on.

>>108232632
> literally says nothing
> OPEN HATE SO CRUEL HOW CAN SHE

>>108232818
You can't. It says something went wrong

>>108231215
>And how she has it as a blacklisted term
Did she really block it again, did anybody check?

>>108232939
It sucks because threads like this continually prove that she can't.
Some people really need to have their Internet access revoked.

>>108232958
are you sure she didn't block you for shitposting in her comments?

>>108232939
lol how about "no" and "no?"
Seethe forever moralnigger

>>108232979
No, because my brain is properly medicated.
You should look into meds, anon. They work.

>>108233000
I have never commented or chatted there

>>108232735
>she promised she'd steam more! LIAR
>actually she didn't.. but it's an implied promise part of being a vtuber!

kys

>>108233020
>I'm heavily medicated
weird flex but ok

>>108232632
>fall from grace
who cares what she does in her bedroom
she doesn't even stream, how can you be a vtuber fan of someone who doesn't even vtube

>>108233051
keep paying. she'll come back

What kind of idiot still follows someone like her lmao

>autosage
Uh-oh OP's gonna have another melty again

>>108233117
I will, thanks.
Even if she comes back in six months, or never.
Such is unconditional love.

>>108233099
>>108233121
2view seethe lmao

>>108233121
The kind of idiot that relentlessly defends her on a Mongolian basket weaving forum after almost 6 years of her pulling this shit.

>>108231165
I don't care about her private life but why can't she be honest about the lack of streams and tweets during her "breaks", she's an indie now there shouldn't be any reason for her not to speak out and tell her fans how it is.

>>108233179
Too bad you have no power over YouTube comments RUMAO

>>108233228
She literally tweeted about getting sick and that she won't be streaming at the start of her break

>>108233261
Your samefagging shitposting literally got deleted there though? Hence why you're having a meltdown here.

>>108231334
go back to your thread bluedustbunny, you're pathetic

>>108233289
for how long? has she given any updates?

>>108233371
You can just open her twitter you know

looks like the resident gura white knight is having another bad day
can't blame him though, his oshi just keeps proving the shitposters right!

>>108233415
Just start posting scat already, monkey
You know you want to

>>108233289
Wasn't an excuse for Kanata

>>108233450
go back to hiding in your thread already pussy, you have no power outside of it

>>108233289
>Too sick to stream and tweet
>Not sick enough to ragedelete comments

>>108233415
I like how even with all the research >>108231165
there's no proof of her ever outright lying (except for maybe Christmas 2021) or trying to cover up other people, just her being private and secret about her location (something that doesn't matter if you don't plan on being weird and stalking her)

>>108233318
You have no powers over her YouTube chat, comments and replies to her tweets
Just wait until she shows her face again. The chat will be glorious.

>>108233483
Replying to the wrong guy or you are retarded

>>108233471
She tweeted few days ago
Retard?

>>108233517
You're really not even hiding your schizophrenia and how mad you are. That's commendable I guess but you really should go see a therapist

>>108231515
Nothing (as always)
And that makes the brown dramatrannies, a.k.a. (you), seethe.

Why doesn't she just get a regular job? It's become increasingly obvious that she isn't cut out for this online content creation.

>>108233099
>who cares what she does in her bedroom
kek. the first step is acceptance

>>108234005
why? she has holomillions, she can do whatever she wants

Went from being literally the face of not just EN but vtubing in general, to this lmao. The absolute state of her and her sorry fans still coping that she totally cares about streaming at this point

>>108233099
>who cares what she does in her bedroom
A large chunk of them. She brought them over from Hololive, which has the worst fanbase aside from Phase.
People like to say that chat reflects the streamer, but I don't think it's true in Cover's case. I think people really are just fans of the blue dorito, and expect the talents to be good little workers for it. Even the fans that follow their indie reincarnations bring their obsessive and toxic attitudes with them.

>>108234206
i think i just understood something. some of her fans don't care if she streams or not and support her just for existing

saba cant even LLD now because the crazy fans will feel betrayed and hunt her down

>>108233817
>>108233873
>>108233950
Tell me your ban expired without telling me your ban expired

>>108230706
>if you aren'y subscribed for a week you're a "yes man cuck"
lmao OP did not being able to hit and run with your shitposts really cause you to melt down?

>>108233415
which post is that

>>108234274
It’s because she basically reached mainstream/Disney level of popularity/recognition. She could stream once a year and still have people bend over backwards defending her

>>108234281
Nah..i'd just drop her completely

>>108233950
>Nothing
Is this what you call Jelly, Pippa and Mari participating in a twitch con orgy while Lumi was getting plapped by her black bf?

>>108233062
Not that heavy compared to some, but they keep me from doing weird shit like spamming her comments section with stuff that she's clearly not comfortable with

>>108234281
Nah, if she openly lore dropped her fans would get mind broken so much that they’d be like “yass queen own the heckin unicorns and quell the parasocials.” Despite her playing up gfe/lolicon/no males/etc.

>>108234274
I think those losers are just trolls at this point

>>108234206
Pretty much this. She's ruining her own reputation and turning fans into antis for no reason whatsoever.

>>108234379
Playing up her loli charactet and having a private life are not mutually exclusive, as much as you rightoids would like it to be.

>>108234391
She was doing this arguably even as Gura as well, it just became worse when she became Saba because now there’s no longer any cope about “le evil corpo” or whatever

>>108234391
I have a hunch that she's waiting for everyone who's butthurt to leave, as those are the ones that she's genuinely tired of dealing with. Even if it means that she has to start fresh with a smaller audience, it'd be better for her mental health.

>>108232929
If she wanted privacy she should have never left being senzawa and shitposting 1 meme every 5 centuries

>>108234434
“Having a private life” is always the excuse you fucks default to. That doesn’t excuse her ghosting and lack of streams

>>108234483
>The hands that pull at my thread, let them drown, burn it down
>Wait for wash in the tide, the abyss is where I will hide
>Let them drown, burn it down

>>108234498
Like a true rightoid, you either didn't read the post or just got butthurt at being called a rightoid.

>>108234483
This makes 0 sense because she directly led her old fans into Saba, and has changed absolutely nothing about what she used to be like

>>108234483
You presume that this is some strategy she's employing to cull her audience while I'm asserting she's a lazy fuck who refuses to take any responsibility and accountability for her job. We are not the same.

>>108234544
I don’t give a fuck about your repeated buzzwords

>>108234527
Those are some cringe ass lyrics

>>108234391
Your samefagging seethe isn't "her fans" nor is it ruining her reputation.

>>108234527
What even was the point of that song?

Imagine getting this mindbroken by a sickly fish loli
Truly troon behavior

>>108234691
>he still buys into the tummy hort excuse

>>108234691
>sickly
>loli

>>108234658
That was my first post in this thread, retardo. And yes, she absolutely is ruining her reputation as evidenced by not only this thread existing but also the comments on her youtube page.
>they're all antis to begin with!!!
Nah, this is just pure cope. People are clearly fed up with her lack of accountability and it shows.

>>108234670
Are you daft? It's the same she just had to explain again in her most recent tweet. It's about her mental health, anxieties and expectations that come from within, self destruction and isolation, not giving a fuck about what others say, and coming back.

>>108234281
She can, but I can't really imagine her to make for that by actually streaming consistently like Nimi does.

>>108230706
why did she do it

>>108234776
No one is falling for larp, germ. Your samefagging seethe is pretty obvious

>>108230706
lmao

>>108234749
>>108234753
Troon melty

>>108234972
What

>>108234959
browns were shitting up the comments with /vt/ rrats

>>108234972
>ESL
Every time.

>>108234997
How is it a melty for pointing out her laziness? Don’t you people have any actual defense except the usual cope

>>108235012
>rrats and its nothing but the truth

>>108235043
she's not lazy, she's sick
plus she quite literally doesn't need an excuse or reason to not stream
just watch someone else if you don't like it?

>>108235043
>didn't deny being a tranny
Kek, thanks for confirming. Rope yourself

>>108235071
Being sick but can’t sit in from of a computer for 1 hour a week, lmao. She’s lazy as fuck, she has no projects going on or doing anything behind the scenes to warrant this behavior. I do watch other people, can’t imagine being a fan of hers at this point. It’s just funny seeing you cucks continue to spout the same cope nonsense for why she doesn’t stream

>>108235106
You’re a seanigger, that’s worse than being a troon

>>108235071
>she's sick
No, she isn't.

>>108235140
I know "sick" for you means not cooking the rotten meat you found in the trashcan, but there are other illnesses (including those of the mental type) that impact one's motivation to stream in front of tens of thousands.