Blue Edition >What is /lig/?/lig/ is a thread for viewers to find, share, and discuss indie vtubers who have on average 500 viewers or more.>Why /lig/?Large indie vtubers have more net fans, but they are outnumbered by 2views by the thousands. This is a thread for the VIP, regardless of what language they stream on.>Can I shill my 499view oshi here?Considering averages fluctuate widely, all the way down to 100 is reasonable. The minimal requirement however is being Twitch partner or the YouTube equivalent in numbers.>Wait isn't that one a corpo?/lig/ is a thread for chuubas of a decent size who aren't defined by their corporate branding, either due to the small size of the corporation or the independence and lack of oversight granted to the talents>/lig/ Numbershttps://lignumbers.neocities.org/>Twitch Clips Guidehttps://pastelink.net/34vd5>VOD Archival Guidehttps://rentry.org/Vod_Archival_Guide>/lig/ VOD Archivehttps://rentry.org/Indie_Vod_Archives_lig>Koikatsu cardshttps://mega.nz/folder/JYtkXJwL#07gAQCQqI_9FsmX9oQJKSA>/lig/ Wheel of Nameshttps://wheelofnames.com/49w-z2x>Tiermakerhttps://tiermaker.com/create/-lig--16586688-3>/lig/ Chuuba Birthday Calendar (WIP)https://www.canva.com/design/DAE-XgWodVg/ofLz4QC1yPPQ4T6TTAE0fw/edit?utm_content=DAE-XgWodVg>Upcoming BirthdaysDecember 31st - Naiyo SpedeJanuary 2nd - MilkyJanuary 3rd - Olivia MonroeJanuary 10th - Essie_chJanuary 11th - Clauvio & IronmouseJanuary 14th - Shimada TigerJanuary 22nd - Lily HopkinsJanuary 24th - YuzuJanuary 25th - /lig/February 4th - Matara KanFebruary 5th - Bodega Rat>OC material for the OPhttps://mega.nz/folder/IIVD1IaJ#cfsRhWdJvzneIoG8HZUPuw>/lig/booruhttps://ligbooru.moe/>Duckshttps://www.twitch.tv/dashducks (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)Other useful threads:>>>/vt//big/>>>/vt//corpo/>>>/vt//choc/>>>/vt//flip/>>>/vt//haha/>>>/vt//indie/>>>/vt//mint/>>>/vt//swarm/>>>/vt//vrt/>>>/vt//xvsj+/Previous Thread: >>108226779
I love my wife
sloppy titjob from HalO
>>108231155Zullie is confirmed female.
I love my cute, horny and bratty sex fox. I LOVE HER SO MUCH! Erm®!
the pork loin was so good
>" Netanyahu is kitanyas reincarnation"-para 2026
I claim this thread for Saru
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>>108231266More like confirmed for getting throatfucked until the throatlaces snapBy me
>>108231266"female"
>>108231356Look female enough to jerk off too
Italian woman love
omg bug para
Did shondo lose her marbles again?
>>108231356egg post
>>108231285
meat i would put on my cleanest white t shirt and best pair of jeans for our date to raising canes
>>108231355You could pull the laces to tighten it up
>>108231392It was a day ending in y so yes
*ahem*sex with olivia for the sole sake of procreation while holding hands end post
>>108231394future statistic post
Zullie, and Meicha are men.
>>108231401
>>108231439prove it
>>108231438proving my point
>>108231406dont you fucking try to seduce her she's my girlfriend
Määh!
>>108231356there's no use arguing there's people in /lig/ who jerk it to confirmed males with a female avatar calling it a futa>bro she's got bolted on tits and a dick and balls that means it's a woman
This is going to be another 100-post schizo meltdown, isn't it?
>>108231434I'll handle the other one
>>108231477>>108231406Meat is my mom.
>>108231486You can't hide from me!
>>108231406And you'd drive her there in your friend's Dodge Wayfarer right?
>>108231488casy in da liggy
>>108231477she will be my wife after our 4th date where we go to waffle house
>>108231508Is he okay?
>>108231487Been saying it about Meicha for years how he is a troon and nobody cares. Lost fucking cause this thread is.
>nooooo it's biologically male think about his gross grown man penis and sexy beard stubble he's a troon who's gonna kill himself
>>108231505you wanna go bowling sport?
>>108231513no i would drive in my 1984 ford f150
>>108231487you lost
>>108231266>>108231465Wasn't there an image posted here from her debut stream chat where her mods are asserting her special pronouns and gender?
>>108231529What? That thing? He'll be fine. Fucker always escapes.
>>108231488liggerteen
>>108231530then stop coming here
>>108231528that place is sacred you bastardo
Take your meds anons. Lucky for you this time it's not a supository https://files.catbox.moe/q8v4my.jpeg
Do you care what's in other people's pants because no one cares about what's in yours
>>108231595I parry this attack and follow-up with bedrotting
>>108231555The mods were telling people to stop asking if she's a tranny. One of them sperged out and said something like "I'm trans and she's not", for whatever that's worth.
>>108231595doc did they stop putting purple dye in the dose?
>>108231606You can't just say the quiet part out loud!
>>108231486Erklären
Anons calm down, we get it, you like girlcock.
>>108231606well said grimmi
He says in the thread that's obsessed with dicks
and live the purer with the other half!
>>108231619if she changed her name, talked like this, and had a model like this I'd watch meat
>>108231606kill yourself
>>108231488Is it so wrong to want her to squish my head with her thighs?
>>108231619this would fix me
>>108231439yes, I think all reasonable people here would agree
>>108231240grimmi doesnt seem mentally ill to me. she said she crashes out every other day and her parents are crazy but shes always polite and calm on stream.
IN TEN HOURS it will be Milky's birthday, so please feel free to add to her birthday card! Submissions must have image dimensions that are in multiples of 200 (I.E. 200x200, 400x200, 400x400, etc.), and all submissions must be SFW though you may refer to suitable related terms such as MILF, boobs, etc. but please do not include any explicit content/words.Some things for inspiration:>Loves cosmic/space, tarot, nature, baking, cottagecore and girly aesthetics>Enjoys clamp manga/anime such as Cardcaptor Sakura and Chobits, but also series like Digimon, Hunter X Hunter, Sailor moon, and Princess Tutu>Her iconic color is blue, but her favourite colours include seafoam green, mint, and lavender>favorite flower is Lavender, but also loves hydrangeas, tulips, and lily of the valley>Favorite games/series includes Sonic, Mega Man, Pop'n Music, and currently Infinity NikkiThe deadline for the card is January 2nd at midnight EST, that's 9pm January 1st for PST. Make sure you get your submissions in before thenModel References:https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1lhBVhCa6dQZFDryMWB8jYFQNhgkwFDJE
As the King of /lig/ I do hereby decree that from now on Grimmi must stay off twitter.... That's what we're all fighting about, isn't it?
In THIRTY FOUR HOURS it'll be Olivia Monroe's birthday, show your appreciation by contributing to her birthday card! Submissions must have image dimensions that are a multiple of 200 (i.e. 200x200, 400x400, 200x400), and submissions must be ADVANCED SFW. Oli runs a PG-13 stream and so her card should reflect that, meaning no swearing and no sex (though alluding to sex in ways that Oli does is fine). Also, if making an eye edit for your tile, you are not allowed to use her old model's eyes. New eyes only. There's a collection of Oli eyes and mouths already cut out for you below if you need themSome things Oli likes for inspiration:>Her friends (non-inclusive): 3AM, Barbie Girls, Girls FC, Layna, Nekrolina, Kaneko Lumi>Ballet & Theatre (Dance of the Snowflakes, Les Misérables, Phantom of the Opera)>Cheerleading>Fashion>Babies>Boys (not like that)>Disney>Snoopy>Sonic (especially Eggman (especially SatAM Eggman))>Videogames (Deadly Premonition, David Cage, Overwatch)Model References: https://mega.nz/folder/B7F0WKCR#RGRK4CLutHL7epkc2Rbj_A/folder/sjshTKrREye Edit Materials: https://gofile.io/d/nKJCPnThe deadline for the card is January 3rd at midnight EST, that's 9pm January 2nd for PST. Make sure you get your submissions in before then
did anyone save cave lady's new years streamthe vodvod links don't open...
/lig/ Christmas canvas, come draw your oshi. You don't have to draw something that would reasonably fly, just add sparkles underneath it. It's Christmas spirit, you ain't gotta explain shithttps://magma.com/d/8s0BJQadXIFree and easy temp email to sign up with:https://tmailor.com/I'm giving the canvas a few more days since people might be busy with holiday stuff or wanting to contribute to the two birthday cards we have going on, so the canvas will stay open for another week or so if you want to add something to it
>>108231744I didn't vote for you
>>108231765
>>108231765I was recording but I think Meat's constant restarting broke it, I missed the second half too. There are people in the Discord debating what parts to release if any depending on what Meat's okay with
>>108231744hear hear
>>108231801god dammitI fell asleep while she was still watching panic at the disco stuff
fuck this gay new year im gonna get drunk
>>108231744I voted for this
olis new model should be her old model
olis new model should just be her current one but pregnant
>>108231773No trannies on this one.
fart
parasites in chat are so edgy it's cringe
>>108231907Haruka is trans didn't you knowLucy has a penis too
>>108231907lil bro is OBSESSED with penises
>>108231933Lucy's 600lbs cock...
God I really want to cum inside Shyrei (Squchan)
I liked it when Beri said tumblerina and her chat freaked out
I'm getting bored of Arax we should sell him to another general and buy a new house slave
>>108231951What's heavier 600lbs of Lucy's cock or 600lbs of feathers?
We still like that Batatvideogames fellow here though, right? I mean who else plays Majora's Mask Randomizer and Mario Romhacks with expert precision.
>>108231563Yeah, that's probably too much.
>>108232023>mean who else plays Majora's Mask Randomizer and Mario Romhacks with expert precision.plenty of other autistic people
Para became white
>>108231606I can understand wanting transparency regarding people's genders. For a lot of people there's at least some level of intimacy between the viewer and the chuuba; The social aspect of VTubing naturally brings people closer together. And obscuring, "lying" about one's birth gender can feel like a betrayal of trust, especially with overtly intimate content like ASMR. A chuuba in this space who doesn't identify as their birth gender could easily be seen as trying to trick people, and some of the more neurotic people in this space can interpret that as a challenge to expose them, to "save people from being taken advantage of". That's why certain people push so hard to make birth genders known, and why those who take offense at the acknowledgement of the inherent differences between the genders end up stoking the fire so potently when they try to push back against it, to the "exposer" they're seen as trying to "maintain the lie" and perpetuate the apparent abuse and manipulation being carried out by the gender special chuuba.
>>108231962He's a token character, don't touch him.
>>108232069*zaps her with a dogfucking ray*
She keeps posting herself with her boyfriends oc. Why is she like this?
need to fuck saiiren on stream
>>108231765She restarted multiple times and decided to remove the vods entirely, she was fucked up
Bat wants to be a speedrunner so bad but they just won't accept an albatian in their fold
>>108231488You made me look like Hank Venture
>>108231919this egg guy will be banned by the end of the stream
>>108232111https://youtu.be/O-Bpb_6Wx2A
>>108232126hopefully
>>108232126tf did I do?
>>108232126Egg guy?
Arypiesex
i wanna drink too much with para and wake up with the shakes together
>>108232167trolling in twitch chat instead of youtube chat
>>108232131Absolute ass remix
>>108232182Don't mind if I do
Did Squchan perish in that night club fire?
Would you let Inis give you a massage?
>>108231919>edgy streamer has edgy fans
Ashton Marten is being really cute on stream right now!
>>108232281yea on me penits
huh, Para’s Italian reading isn’t bad if she doesn’t actually know Italian
>>108232281I would let inis do anything
>>108232296Hey that costs extra!
>>108232243retard
>>108232281Yes because having her rub a man's body would make her horny and then we would start kissing
>>108232281i would let inis
>>108232182wouldn't be surprised if peo is really into size difference
>no parasocialismWOT'SALLDISDEN
>>108232286parasites try too hard
>>108232350That's because an average parasite is either 30 or 14
shondo banned
>>108232425qrd?
>>108232438twitch hates british people
>>108232438probably self-harm related from her drunk melty
>>108232467again?
>>108232467what did she do while drunk
>>108232425hope this time its permanent
>>108232425israel
>>108232438Got drunk, became sad about her mom, her current life, being a virgin, talked about not wanting g to live anymore.Probably another 30 day ban due to self harm
>>108232438It's been a couple months since her last ban, right? Staff must've figured she was overdue.
ashton is only 634.74 dollars away from putting on a skimpy cosplay and sending us photos
>>108232425This is bullshit
>>108232513>Got drunk, became sad about her mom, her current life, being a virgin, talked about not wanting g to live anymore.damn she just like me fr
>>108232513>being a virginnobody actually believed this right
Fraiki doesn't take birth control (doesn't trust it) and partially uses her period as an excuse to work from home once a month
>>108232493>>108232502yes again, she broke down crying and made allusions to not wanting to be alive
>>108232551fraiki is so cuteis she the only belgian chuuba?
>Erm you're a danger to yourself>So we will deny you a month of income and access to your communityLol
>>108232546I may be missremembering, but didn't she shove a knife up her cooter when she had a massive schizo episode? Mind you this was ages ago I believe, even before she started streaming I believe.
If top 10 on fansly were normal people ironmouse, squchan and snuffy would have streamed on fansly.
>>108232513>being a virginHave you been in a coma?
Timeloop baby
>>108232521I can't wait to see her show off her heavenly ass
>>108232598kill yourself
>>108232609>heavenly assShe's black???
>>108232577No it's, you're a danger to yourself, so you will be escorted off the property, go do what you want somewhere else, we don't want to deal with your bullshit and the fallout.
>>108232564honestly im siding with shondo on this one vague comments about being unhappy with being alive shouldn't get you banned off the site
>>108232593yes anon, surely she did that, especially as a child. i can make up lies too like saying your IQ is any higher than 50
>>108232577basically saying you can be a danger to yourself just not here lol
>>108232504it's temporary, you can go kill yourself now.
>>108232623she's white but her ass is black iykwim
remember the kid that domed himself with a shotgun live on twitch and then his mom burst in the room screaming? that is why twitch bans suicidal people
>>108232598Normal people inherently don't have fanslies, Simon, and normal people also don't obsess over whether people have them.
>>108232577>>108232640It's to avoid being liable for their death, like self-driving cars turning off automation a fraction of a second before a crash
>>108232546>>108232600Damn she sure is an amazing and dedicated actress, consistently being capable of maintaining this one particular piece of kayfabe alive even when drunk enough to get banned for loudly voicing suicidal intentions
>>108232546>>108232639>t. sub 50 iq brainlet
>>108232661
>>108232661No there hasn't been a live suicide on Twitch yet
>>108232576Afaik yeah, and her accent isn't as strong as I remember it being. Nice to notice how she's improved
>you're brazillian right? I'm more kind to you guys, you know, the way you need to be kinder to the disabled, anyways.-Para 2026
>>108232504seethe
>>108232577twitch doesn't give a fuck if Shondo kills herselfmatter of fact they would prefer it since it would mean they wouldn't have to deal with her retarded ass anymorethey ban her to make sure she doesn't kill herself on twitch and her family doesn't sue twitch for damagesif shondo wants to suicide bait (again) she can do it on kick
>>108232661which one? theres been several so i understand why they are so strict on any kind of suicide talk
>>108232710batfags btfo
>>108232666>car drives some dude off a cliff and he dies>it turned automation off 20 feet before the edge so it's not the car's faultDon't you love law
>>108232737this one >>108232692
>>108232600she said it herself, tourist retard
>>108232727What's the most fucked up thing on Kick?
>>108232727>>108232720
>>108232752i remember that one and the girls frontline guy. hearing their parents pounding on the door and discovering what happened is so sad man
>>108232762I remember some girls pushing a homeless woman who couldn't swim into jumping in a river and then running away. They were not even banned afaik
>>108232762there have been few deaths on kick already>>108232777idc about shondoI'm just giving her advice that if she wants to cry about killing herself (again) and not get banned she can do it on kick
https://jiggie.fun/Liggie
It's funny how of all the things he got mad at it was someone saying she said she was a virgin
>>108232790There is nothing more harrowing than the primal scream of a mother finding her son with his head blown open. That shit will haunt you
what happens in belgium
NOODLEWOLFVT THIS IS A CALLOUT POST, I'M CALLING YOU OUT! I WAS GETTING REALLY RELAXED THERE FOR A WHILE BUT NOW FOR SOME REASON YOU JUST WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP! I'M NOT GONNA PUT UP WITH THIS SHIT ANYMORE, YOU GOTTA AT LEAST USE YOUR INSIDE VOICE OR SOMETHING 'CUZ WHEN I'M LISTENING TO ASMR IT'S NOT TO HAVE SOME BITCH YAPPING AWAY AT NORMAL VOLUME RIGHT IN MY EAR! THANKS FOR YOUR FUTURE COOPERATION WITH THIS REASONABLE DEMAND!
>wake up>backread>meatfags got cuckedLmao what a good start to the year
>>108232918Wonderful things I assume
>>108232825thats impossible the schizophrenic abuse victim must be having sex with men who aren't him
Filian is a wonderful person who is worthy of love snd support
>Literally did nothing in 2025 besides watching chuuba's and jacking off
>>108232933lying faggot.
Barbie love!
>>108232992time to do that for one more year
>>108232825It's double retarded when you think about it, if anything the fact that she now openly wants to find love and have sex one day is an much more effective way to taunt parasocial shondophrenics than clinging to the retarded Michael shit forever lol
>>108232425Motherfucker, I was looking forward to watch her play routine again. Gotta grab some rope and follow her into the void, bye shiggers.
I will continue batposting in 2026
>>108232881yea man im extremely depressed but videos like that are the most effective anti-suicide shit i've seen. i could never do that to my family
I miss my oshi so much it’s driving me insane
>>108233040>she now openly wants to find love and have sex one dayThat is pretty much the opposite of what she said yesterday and every other time before. She literally talked shit about her own mother and brother for having sex lmao.
I remember that one time when Grimmi said asmongold was mentally ill and that if he cleans up his room and himself, he would not be a chud anymore. I think she was right.
I will dsetroy Layna Lazar
>>108233040Considering that she said she'll kill herself before she loses her virginity, that still isn't happening
>>108233063is she not gonna stream on yt or something?
Everyone should experience sex
>>108233128Probably yeah, I cleaned my room recently and it did wonders for my mental health
>>108233084"Mom would be sad" saved my life at a few points
Where Meat vod
>>108233132I saw what you originally posted.
>>108233161She refuses to stream on any platform but twitch, so if the ban isn't lifted the most she'll do is movie nights in discord.
Honestly I'm kinda glad Saru didn't stream on new years, I actually spent more time with my family than being glued to my PC like last year.
>>108233191I look like this and sound like this and do this
>>108233191kekhttps://files.catbox.moe/zgsp02.webm
>>108233040>the fact that she now openly wants to find love and have sex one dayThat's wrong, she affirmed that she would never have sex because she's too mentally ill to hold a relationship. Even the idea of a virtual pretend one tore her apart when she was expected to do things like have a special stream on Valentine's Day
>>108233197>She refuses to stream on any platform but twitchah ok so I guess any time she wants a break from her fans she can just suicidebait on stream and get a month vacation, nice
>>108233128That was well said by Grimmi, unironically.
>>108233161Probably not, she might do a Discord hangout or two like last time.
>>108233183I was in a locked car at the bottom of a river filled with water and couldn't get out, gave up and accepted death, then my parents crying poped into my head and I got a 2nd wind that allowed me to get out and swim to the surface. That shit works
>>108233128grimmi peterson
>>108233269your parents probably were super happy you made it
>>108233128Asmon would have to stop streaming completely to even begin fixing his mental health, they're too intrinsically linked at this point.
>>108233195fattening Layna until she has a biteable tummy
>>108233164I haven't done anything to deserve it
>>108233269I am glad that you are around us today to tell this tale my ligga
Yes, Shondo's behavior is immature, stop arguing about same shit every time she has drinking stream. holy shit fucking retards
>>108233304No need for that when Bunny exists and already has a biteable tummy
>>108233215it's so cute when girls get all kissy when they're drunk
>>108233294No, because he's been like that long before he started streaming
>>108233285I think it's probably more like Grimmi Horsefeather or Winddreamer
>>108233316Well said bat!
why does asmon make retards seethe so much
>meatheads got cuckedqrd?
>>108233321>>108232092Cucked
>>108233323there was also a really funny point where she was drunkly watching The Watchmen, saw Dr. Manhattan, called him Daddy and went on a 20+ minute rant about how Silk Spectre was a bitch for leaving him, didn't deserve him, and that Dr. Manhattan is just a misunderstood autistic sweet boy and how romantic it is that a guy who sees infinite possibilities would date you.
>>108233336grimmi silverhawker
>>108233382qrd is that you know adult diaper brands by heart
>>108233382She leaked her dms and it was full of men
>>108233191I saved the most important parthttps://files.catbox.moe/mz2n1z.mp4
meat anti hasn't killed himself yet?
>>108232758You can't trust anything she says anymore, she lied about everything
>>108233389she also told a chatter to cum on his own ass
>>108233473Proof that she lied about everything?
Layna lazar should destroy me with her ass on my face
What differentiates a likeable autist from an unlikeable autist?
>>108233389dr manhattan do be like that
>>108233503bodyfat ratio
>>108233503looks
>>108233473It would certainly seem that way if you start with the assumption that everything she says is a lie. Truth is, you just don't like her so you say she's lying all the time.
>>108233389I miss this liggerman, I hate nu-liggerman
>>108233473see >>108232671
>>108233484I would do this if I could
>>108233506Does posting this bat make you a batposter?
>>108233408grim.
>>108233503Personality
>>108233570bat ... good?
>>108233503voice, physical appearance, personality.
>>108233269how did you even end up there? wreck?
>>108233503female vs male
>>108233503Likeable autist = femaleUnlikeable autist = male
>>108233503Soul
>>108233602I was driving over a bridge and I think I hit a pothole, it's kind of blurry
>>108233626>>108233628DAMN DID YOU GUYS THINK OF THAT ONE ALL BY YOURSELVES
QRD on meat talking to males in DMs?>>108222802>>108224347
>>108233215missed a couple numbers but still a good countdown. thanks meat
>>108233384cope
>>108233654QRD on your intimate knowlege of adult diapers?
>>108233654Buddy meat has a rice score of 6 she's probably fucked cars in Walmart parking lots no one cares
>>108233636i'm happy youre still with us my ligga
>>108232692>*waves at camera*>"Bye, /lig/!"
>>108233490How out of the loop are you?
>>108232948
>>108233705How looped in /vt/ rrats are you?
>>108233705Show me how out of the loop I am. Post evidence that everything Shondo says is a lie and put me in my place.
>>108233449unfortunately not yet
Genuinely confused about the idea that you have to be a good-looking autist to be likable when there's several instances of chuubas going for autistic mods they've never met in real life
localvtuberliedabouteverything.jpg
Well said Chongus Dongus
>>108233722>>108233729stop fucking biting every single obvious bait that gets thrown outjesus fucking christ
shondo liedpeople died
>>108233765Sit down. If you think that's what's happening then this is out of your league.
don't reply to me ever again
>>108233654draw in paint what's wrong exactly because i don't understand discord or kys forever
You don't need to be good looking and autistic you just need to be kind And have a kind heart and an uplifting soul.
>>108233746the secret isn't if they look good or not, it's about what the autist got passionate about and if they are mostly positive or mostly negative about their fixation. If they are mostly positive that's a turn on that the guy can be into something that intensely, if it's fixating on the negative its a turn off because it makes you look like a raving schizo.
>>108233761but that's Rina
>>108233503whimsy
do all belgian people sound as goofy as fraiki when they speak english
>>108233729Didn't she admit to it herself?
>>108233800
Ate a bowl of yogurt today and didn't get an upset tummy I'm fucking unstoppable 2026 is so cooked
>>108233835Clip of her admitting to lying about everything?
Considering the medication Shondo has to take and what has happened in the past, her drinking while on those meds and streaming it is extremely retarded and she is extremely retarded.
>>108233838are you lack toes
>>108233838based and yogurtpilled
>>108233600>>108233733>/swarm/ is shitting on Oliviaour response?
ok but consider
>>108233818Mello possessed her for a minute, asking her audience if they would put their dicks in her mouth
Anal sex with Meredith, Layna, and Grimmi
>>108233746You just have to be cute and not annoying. that's why most of the sexy autists are girls.
>>108233877they can handle themselves, dont car
>>108233877looks like 3AM posts attacking Shylily by using Olivia's obvious botting situation and saying it's all people with Olivia's numbers, kinda sad.
>>108233877My response is not looking at child porn like they do
>>108233894esl
Blue insides
>>108233877>responsewhy would anyone willingly interact with them
