"our internal standards related to general AI"
*looks at internal standards*
*it's just a jizz-spotted Sticky Note that says "haha overhead cost reduction goes brrrrrrrr"*

They'll do it again, mark my words.

Funny how it took until the PV being shown on stream for people to notice when it was uploaded over two weeks ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bifUtm8RUfc

>>108244046
>generative AI
Why even pretend this is a serious matter when not even the biggest retards are accusing them of using generative AI.

>>108244140
prettay much my thoughts
> our internal standards said we're chill with not paying artists. thank u for your concerns

Well at least if the artists are angry we won't hear the usual god awful music production for the new songs, just AI slop that might be slightly better

>>108244046
FUCK COVER LETS IMPREGNATE ALL WOMAN

>>108244286
All me by the way

Imagine wasting time trying to please Twittertroons. This company is so stupid.

>>108244261
As long as Mori remains, the god awful music stays with it

>>108244442
Trying too hard, fag

>>108244396
I'd also imagine they are hearing it from the inside from the likes of Iofi, Ina, Marine and Raora.
ESPECIALLY Iofi

>>108244158
there not going to actually do anything, its just to stop art tards from harassing them for a while.

>>108244514
>ESPECIALLY Iofi

LMFAO literlaly no one in the world gives a fuck about that retard

>>108244507
The cuckbeat protests too much

Imagine still seething about AI in 2026
Imagine seething about the future
Retarded ass holopro kneeling to libtards. Fucking dumbass

Kill all "artists"
Kill all twittertrannies

AI gen is already better than all artists trannies, you are obsolete

>>108244442
>>108244543
>>108244556
>mindbroken
nice

>>108244046
KWABOTY

>>108244396
Twitter is just far right anti art AI slop shills now.
Why would Cover even try to pander to those retards?

>Cover actually puts out a statement
>jeets seething
holy kek

What are those faggots talking about? If they stop pandering to Twitter, who are they supposed to pander to, Facebook?

>>108244556
>>108244507

>>108244710
They've been doing it from the beginning.
Exhibit A: 95% of the threads and posts on /vt/

>>108244175
Hololive absolutely refuses to pay artists. They even hire artists to be talents and still don't pay them

OMG THIS IS SO SHIT PLS LET COVER END

>>108244046
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>108244046
AI shills BTFO. Cover has kneeled. Face the facts, you all lost.

>Hello I am Mr. Cover of Blanket Company please Mr. Artist create a blanket design we'll pay you big bucks
>Mr. Artist farts out a prompt and collects money with no effort on his end
>Mr. Cover hears that the artist just farted on a virtual canvas and put it in front of their fans
>Mr. Cover looks at how much money they spent on it
If they don't put their foot down on it, don't be shocked if more "artists" just prompt AI for their work.

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>>108244146
There's 12k views.
Nobody fucking watched it.

>>108244140
Fippy bippy

>>108244261
you've changed my mind, I'm pro COVER using AI now

>>108244543
Unfortunately, Cover did.

>>108244046
>"our internal standards related to general AI"
The fact that they have "internal standards" here is concerning. Get ready for chat ai bots on of the holo girls.

>>108244767
because they spend 2 days nothing was happening

>>108244046
Kiara loves AI.

>>108245575
I guess cover only bots their streams and doesn't bother with youtube videos.

>>108244046
I choose the destruction of hololive never believe in the streamer

>>108244046
All of the word salad about the possible use of generative AI against the fans' wishes will result in nothing.

No corrective actions, no acknowledgement of the damage it caused, nothing transformative. We all know that.

This is more slop designed to rally the complacent frogs in the pot back to this failing joke of a corporation & pivot from their homo failures and Holoearth to damage control on this all.

>>108244046
Just fucking require artists to have a headcam of doing their work from start to finish already. Every artist that can get away with it will use AI even if you say they shouldn't. It's a cheat engine for them.

>>108246522
Simply put. Cover could have chosen to scrap the whole project all together if it was in fact using generative AI.

Instead, it's just another blanket statement with no action taken at all; the pot will continue to boil and frogs will continue to perish while some jump out.

There is no use supporting Cover Corporation anymore at all. None. They caused their own downfall, when midyear happens and their recent financial report suggests failure, will they blame us for it?

>>108245241
yeah cover doesn't pay me
let me draw a card for them and post it on my pixiv/twitter
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139298285
https://x.com/ayame0802/status/2003298564718645379
nijinig LOGIC

>>108246661
Why are you pretending like Sana or Mumei got paid?

>Apology for using AI
>The Apology is clearly written by AI
You can't make this up

You don't understand. Of course Cover is going to investigate this. Cover paid for proper animation. If they got gen AI instead they are owed compensation and an explanation.

>>108247036
>Cover
>Paying artists
lol

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>>108247070
Didn't he swap sides already? Is he already back to his old ways?

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>>108244146
I thought it was hard to spot/really good AI but after I watched the PV, ..like Holyshit it was that fucking bad. Anons at /vtai/ 100% can do better job than this shit.

>>108247103
Doesn't matter which side you are, AIslops needs to get called out!

>>108244046
Hololive using ai to skinwalk haato in 2026.

>>108247503
can't spell "akai haato" without "ai"

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>>108247503
>haato
Who the fuck is haato

>>108247070
It's kind of true. What will happen when the gens are good enough that no one will be able to tell they were done with AI? So far the only reason they've been getting caught using it, is because the artifacts have been so glaringly obvious that everyone has to acknowledge it was done with AI.

>>108244598
You didnt watch it or your standards are just incredibly low

>>108244514
The only real artist out of those is marine and she has used generative ai before for her stream backgrounds etc.

By real artist I mean someone who actually enjoys art and doesn't use it as a business tool to earn money and push capitalist agendas like "copyright" and "trademark".
True art is and will always be free for everyone to enjoy/criticize.
Anyone wanting payment for "art" is just a greedy capitalist pig.

>>108244598
How do these tasteless jeets even find themselves in an art-oriented hobby?

>>108248284
I've been hearing "eventually the gens will be good enough that nobody will be able to tell" for literally years now and they still aren't good enough.
I don't think it will ever become possible for AI to completely hide itself.

>>108244598
God I hate AIjeets

>>108248419
>capitalist agendas like "copyright"
retard

>>108247070
Does anyone usually need to tell what software they use to make a slide or extra effect?
What if they use a software and that software uses ai to generate image because that’s what many image processing software do?

>>108248716
>Does anyone usually need to tell what software they use to make a slide or extra effect?
No, generative AI is the concern.
>What if they use a software and that software uses ai to generate image because that’s what many image processing software do
It's mostly Adobe putting generative AI features in creative software. Maybe people are getting away with using a bit of "generative fill", who knows. Adobe's models are probably trained on stolen work, but people are mostly angry about entire images and animations being generated.

>>108248577
>gimme money!
>I will draw any deranged shit you want for money
>I don't want anyone to benefit from my work unless I can make money off it
> I don't want to make the world a better place, I just want money
Totally not capitalist mentality

>>108249027
Define generative AI

>>108249039
You sound like proper commie chink that do nothing but steal from others

AI won

>>108244046
So it's exactly as I predicted

>>108244146
jesus it's so bad! looks like AI generated 10 years ago

>>108249052
software that generates media with some statistical process drawing from a labeled dataset

>>108249382
>coping this hard in a thread where AI definitively lost
What's the point?

>>108249613
AI won the moment it started producing results that were just good enough, and its already past the "just good enough" point already, with some exception like 2d animation is still being ironed
you can't cry a technology that produces results are blinding speeds away because results and speed are all that matters in society

>>108249613
>empty corpo statement
>ad still up
You've clearly won, artbro. Good luck at your fastfood job.

>>108244146
miyazaki was right

>>108249701
>AI won the moment it started producing results that were just good enough
lmao AI fags are so delusional.

>>108249731
What's the point of dickriding ai shit?

>>108249805
I'm not an AI fag, I hate it. but I can't deny that the public will eat that shit.
besides, the newer generations are growing up on it. they won't complain about it and the world will become even more accepting of AI slop

>>108249609
>labeled dataset
The core diffusion model is trained on unlabeled data using a self-supervised objective.
Is the diffusion process, which learns the data probability distribution through learned denoising, not generative AI?

>>108249830
So you're either a retard or a ai shill trying to save face. Could be both.

>>108249817
It pushes xitter trannies closer to joining the statistic. Sounds like a win to me.

>>108249039
Even commies give people the right to own their work for their lifetime + some more decades before it can belong to everyone. That affords them the freedom to make more things. Even in terms of art itself, the plagiarism machine can't move the needle or give people what they want before they ever knew they wanted it, which is how culture develops. Everything it shits out is derivative. This hobby is full of people who make art in some form or at least appreciate it. Unfortunately there are some jeets who don't care/can't tell the difference too, but people shouldn't be surprised that there is a large anti-AI contingent here.

>>108249877
>there is a large anti-AI contingent here
because /vt/ is a known LGBT central

>>108244046
2026 will be the year Hololive falls

>>108249876
>shilling AI to "own the trannies"
no one has principles anymore.

>>108249873
facing reality doesn't make me a retard, because if I don't face it and move away from shit that AI will take over I'm fucked

>>108249869
It has to turn someone's work into noise before it can reverse the process. No need to confuse the issue with needlessly technical shit- changes nothing

>>108249899
AI is harmeless, trannies are not. An easy choice.

>>108249901
So you're a demoralized retard then. Realize that this shit only happens not only by the retards eating ai shit up, but faggots like you bowing down and admitting defeat.

>>108249932
/pol/fags have lost their luster if their arguing like this.

AI won
Trannies seethe forever lmao

>>108249917
It is not labeled.
The problem is that you cannot even provide a correct definition of what you are arguing against.
How can you expect to win at this stage of the discussion?
Honestly, the entire AI debate is exhausting. Both evangelists and critics show little understanding of what they are actually talking about.
Will the AI industry collapse? Yes.
Will AI ever disappear? No.

>>108244514
Marine wouldn't care.

>>108249951
So true, break them mills!

>>108249951
the fuck am I supposed to do? twitter literally has a CP making AI and nobody does anything about it, laws don't work and complaining doesn't work either because its all private companies who the economy relies on
if openAI goes bankrupt america goes bankrupt with it, they need AI to succeed

>>108249027
>entire images and animations being generated.
The images are made by the artist. you can checked original arts, there is nothin wrong with them. Only animation is ai.
This is why i am wondering how is it different than using a software to add special effect on it.
These blur/melt are only found on the youtube video, and i don’t even see these on my device. But a lot of people seem to think that these are found on the actual image.

>>108249974
you have to be 18 to post here.

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>>108247070
Based nijinig, let's forget about this

>>108249969
wtf are you talking about?

>>108250004
The images in the video also look weirdly melty like in >>108247344. Not necessarily because of AI though.

>>108249986
The problem is you're nitpicking an otherwise solid definition because of some irrelevant technical detail. Absolute thirdie behavior. Human art -> statistical model -> prompt -> derivative slop. This is what everyone intuitively knows to be genAI, and what everyone can intuitively differentiate from some pre-2017 denoising algorithm or whatever bullshit AIjeets try to argue with.

>>108244146
I'm not against them using AI but this is just sloppy work. Hope they get better at using it.

>>108250054
You have no beliefs or principles. You only do these things because it "makes people I don't like mad". You have the thinking process of a immature child.

>>108250154
All art is "derivative slop". Always has been.

>>108250212
now make a better argument.

>>108250202
I have a belief:
>AI is harmeless, trannies are not
Not even a belief, it's based on facts. Unlike you belief that you can be a woman.

>>108250140
yes, that could be many things, upscaling from zooming in, low resolution, not necessary an ai.
But even if the video is ai, then what of it? It’s the same that random ads you see on tv programs.
While the actual products, original images are not.

>>108250226
nope, your turn

>>108250256
Indeed. Not arguing, just saying.

>>108250140
The matsuri animation is shown next to the original image in the video and it looks fine. It only became melty looking after they animated it.

>>108250212
Obviously not, and the entire history of art proves that it's not. And AI training in no way resembles the way humans take from influences develop their own styles. Not in the process or in the results

>>108250372
How is it different?

>>108250423
I-it just is, okay?

>>108244046
A large corporation like Hololive should be able to afford real animation. I can jump on Chinese websites like mihuashi and pipipen and buy a commercial use cutting & animation package for less than 50 bucks with a month turnaround right now. The fact they refuse to do even that much, and lie when caught, should be deeply embarrassing. It's tacky and cheap.

>>108250423
AI models take a massive amount of data, tie that data to words and spit out a statistically likely result based on a prompt. Humans draw from a small number of influences that have emotionally affected them but apply their own skills, ideas, experiences to their work in every step of the process. You have to be fucking retarded to think it's the same.

>>108244598
Nigger Ai art comes from splicing real art

>>108248508
Just look at how bad it was a few years ago. And Cover got caught using it this time because they were being sloppy while not using the best models. Thinking it won't get good enough to use without people noticing is massive cope. In fact you probably already see AI gened stuff all the time without realizing. You only notice the failure cases that are obviously AI.

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THIS IS WHAT WILL KILL HOLOLIVE AND SAVE THE INDIE AVENGERS!!!

>>108250668
>Humans draw from influences, ideas, experiences
That's no different to an AI drawing from art it was exposed to and has experience in.

>>108250668
>AI models take a massive amount of data, tie that data to words and spit out a statistically likely result based on a prompt.
Then humans take the resultinging instrument to use it with their own skills, ideas and experiences. Luddites keep picturing this evil ai network spitting random images on it's own.

>>108244046
>Erofi practically gets off sexually to talking down to indie artists who stencil, trace, or use some AI
>Has stayed quiet through all this
You'd think she'd have gone ballistic finding out her own corpo is stealing food from indie talent's mouths

>>108250727
AI has no fucking subjective experience whatsoever. And without random noise, the model would produce the exact same output for the exact same prompt every single time you clicked generate.

>>108250776
Good thing it has random noise then, huh? Humans struggle to be functional with brain damage as well. As evident by your "arguments".

>>108250770
Morals end where the hand that feeds you begins

>>108250776
Well it is simulating a human after all and being able to run with the same seed to produce the same result is useful.

>>108247344
This, I have slowly watched AI art on pixiv go from Lovecraft melties a couple years ago to "damn, even the littlest bits of eye highlights are nearly matched in some of these now and they actually look exactly like she's supposed to otherwise" and thought that it would not be hard at all to have someone just go touch up the eyes a bit on these and it'd basically pass muster. But they didn't even do that, they are using what the best of like 2-3 years ago looked like. Tech company lmao.

The defense of generative AI as an anti-capitalist "power to the people" thing is fucking hilarious

>>108250821
Yes, good thing low-vibrational organisms are satisfied by the slightest illusion of creativity applied to a software system that is demonstrably inhuman and uncreative

>>108250890
Obviously it's not a human, it's a machine. But it does create things so it is creative.

>>108250863
AI animation is like 2 years behind still image generation in quality

>>108250890
It's not supposed to be creative you fucking imbecile. Humans are supposed to be creative with it.

>>108244046
What internal standards are they talking about? Didn't they give Pekora a cheap looking AI slop background too?

You will own nothing and you will be happy

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>>108244046
Can AI make Ame's hairpin already? Is this why Ame left the company? Because her voice & design can't be replicated by AI?

>>108250947
>Humans are supposed to be creative with it
>tool does 100% of the work
>tool is incapable of creativity

>>108251079
Photoshop does 100% of the work too. We need to go back to cave painting with our hands.

>>108251079
>tool does 100% of the work
It doesn't have to. If you let it do 100% that's on you. And yes - tools are usually incapable of creativity. You fucking imbecile.

>AI art scandals
>soulless product shilling
>executive-driven content
>graduations and hiatus
I like some of the talent, but my goodwill towards this fucking company is getting thinner and thinner

>>108251122
Ok go make the the pic you just genned on photoshop without using AI

>>108250874
It is neat in that it democratizes ideas, and it allows a rando individual to try and express and make things that would normally be far beyond his means to do. Force multiplier for individuals, but for groups which should have the resources to do the same thing legitimately, it is basically impossible to argue they aren't cheaping the fuck out and only should be mocked for it.

The coca cola Christmas AI ad shows what a joke the tech actually is when attempting to use it for big commercial projects. But for a random scammer with an AI voiceover showing a product that can't even fucking be built in reality it's fucking great for scamming idiots on Kickstarter.

The AI bros going "it's curing CANCER you idiot!!" do not fucking understand science or what scientists actually do. AI in research is not the commercial stuff they are using and never was. Machine learning models to analyze MRIs and mammograms etc existed long before the AI boom we have now. Scientists were already using ML to count and characterize shit in cells for research at least a decade back, maybe two-ish decades. Oncologists are not taking images from a sample plate from a content imager and handing them to fucking chatGPT - the imager already has analytical software purpose built to do that in its own ecosystem. And these imagers cost like half a million dollars, that is not the obstacle, it's that these all in one super LLMs in fact do have things they are worse at than purpose built software tools. And for stuff like Perplexity where it assists with literature research yeah it can - up to a point. But I know for fact from colleagues who tried to use it to the max they complain if starts making shit up and getting things wrong the more detailed you go. This software knows a good chunk of what we already know - it DOES NOT somehow know what we do not yet actually-know. Can it predict it sure but that is not at all the same as confirm. Same reason you see reports of AI designing new fusion reactors and rocket engines etc yet none of that shit is actually working or being built. Because a physicist will look at it and go "wow this is a bunch of movie prop garbage" because it fucking is.

Having said all that, it should be evident from how it still fucks up art and sound visually that it can't actually replace people who actually know what is real or not. Something new and better post LLM can maybe go there but the stuff we have now, basically don't trust it with any tasks more serious than making your niche porn.

>>108251182
I think it's more likely Cover is cueing off the gaming industry. Which isn't a good sign.

>>108251182
>It is neat in that it democratizes ideas, and it allows a rando individual to try and express and make things that would normally be far beyond his means to do.
The retards falling for this are enriching JeeTech Inc. to buy up all of the processing power and electricity.

>>108244046
Does Cover have full control over this stuff at all? Bushiroad really likes to use AI lately

>>108251345
Instead of individual jeets on fiver. How could they

>>108251354
I doubt bushiroad is involved with anything more than game design and production of the cards themselves.

>>108251177
The point was that AI doesn't do 100% of the work. Saying it does 100% of the work makes you sound retarded to anyone who actually uses the tech for work. You have no experience in this field so your opinion is irrelevant just like someone who would say photoshop does 100% of the work because they don't know anything about photoshop.

>>108251368
Have you considered learning to do something yourself for once in your sad life? You ipad babies were a fucking mistake and should have all been aborted.

>>108251390
>your opinion is irrelevant just like someone who would say photoshop does 100% of the work because they don't know anything about photoshop
But you're the one saying that.
Go make your genned image on photoshop right now since it does the same amount of work.

>>108250874
It is power to the people but should only be used on local hardware. Companies are screwing people over by renting out GPU power to idiots that are willing to pay for the computations instead of just buying a GPU outright.

>>108249304
And you sound like a hoe who insists on taking it up the arse for a few extra quid and years later tries to gyp the clientele for more by claiming sexual abuse.

>>108251412
Kek, nta but you are actually retarded. Sasuga.

>>108251431
>It is power to the people but should only be used on local hardware.
It isn't because it won't. It wasn't developed by someone for people to run on local hardware. It was developed by a corporation.

>>108251392
behold, a jeet melty

>>108251478
But you're the jeet.

>>108251354
I understood what they said as farming production out to a 3rd party contractor.

>>108250770
Reminder that she publicly called out Nene over traced art that she had perms to do BY the original artist.

>>108251412
What I'm saying is that you saying that AI does 100% of the work is LIKE someone saying Photoshop does 100% of the work. It's an equally retarded statement. I also never claimed it requires the same amount of work. Maybe you should go make your Photoshop image using only finger painting, people like you shouldn't be allowed to use Photoshop because it does the work for you and you seem to be against that.

>>108251467
I've been comfortably generating text and images on my 1080ti. Any modern GPU is more than good enough for most use cases, especially the 16gb ones. People who want more and are willing to rent the processing power should be shot.

>>108251522
>What I'm saying is that you saying that AI does 100% of the work is LIKE someone saying Photoshop does 100% of the work.
I didn't say that, and you didn't say that.
You literally said
>Photoshop does 100% of the work too.
This is what you said, and not "saying this is like saying this".
Even if you had said that, the statements are not equal at all.
>Maybe you should go make your Photoshop image using only finger painting
Anyone with any artistic ability can also draw without software. You cannot do ANYTHING because you are a jeet cocksucker.

>>108251571
Yeah and windows XP is a totally fine operating system for most things. You will be left behind.

>>108251571
Try animation, it's 12-16 gb minimum. And still sucks as you can see here.

>>108251610
Nobody is renting Windows even in current year. Anyway I use Linux so it doesn't matter to me.

>>108251672
The point was that what you use is not going to be good enough forever.

I hate drawtroons so fucking much

>>108251689
My point was to not rent. I'm aware that many people in the world are too dumb to understand how renting or paying for subscription services leads to a world where they own nothing and that's why I said they should be shot.

>>108251505
Erofi lives to be on high horses and soapboxes specifically for shitting on small-scale talents or witch hunts against anyone daring to do anything beyond her perceived notion of approved art

>>108251777
With the way things are going your only option to access current tech in the future will be by renting.

>>108244598
Absolute retard, kill yourself

>>108251797
It'll be fine as long as there are people willing to buy the hardware. The renting can only drive up the price of hardware but it wont force everyone to rent. There's an upper limit on how much hardware can cost based on the returns you can get from renting it out.

>>108251963
People can't buy the hardware because the AI corporations are buying most of it. They cutting deals so lucrative and the suppliers are dropping their consumer products to manufacture directly for the AI corps.

>>108252008
You can buy hardware right now if you wanted from any store. This isn't going to be changing. Sure the prices are going up but there's a limit to how high they will go. The AI companies are going to hit a point where there are too many servers and not enough customers and then they'll stop buying out the hardware. There can only be so many dead unused data centers until the money starts unsustainably bleeding out.

I love hololAIv

>>108252136
>This isn't going to be changing.
It will change when the hardware manufacturers cut down or completely stop making consumer products because AI corps pay them better.
>The AI companies are going to hit a point where there are too many servers and not enough customers and then they'll stop buying out the hardware.
They will always want the latest and most efficient hardware, and companies like Nvidia are focusing on their needs.

>>108244140
phasepag senpai, gomene <3

>>108252224
But they wont completely stop. There will come a time where AI corps will refuse to pay more than a consumer because it wont bring a return on investment.

>>108252315
Why would there be no return on investment if AI is the future?

>>108252379
I think you're joking with that slogan but I'll explain anyway. The GPUs are good for a certain number of computations and their value is determined by how much money the corpos can sell those computations for. This sets an upper limit on the cost of the card and this upper limit is something that many consumers are willing to pay.

>>108252455
Everyone will use AI because it's just the best.

>>108244301
calm down femanon

AI is kino and will only become better.