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>>108322560Anyone with less than 550 hours streamed this year is a lazy fuck and should graduate
quantity to quality streamers
EN was a mistake. Shut the branch down. Not enough CGDCT, too many whores, and not enough streams from non whores.
>>108322605>500 hours is equal to 20 days>some of them worked for less than 20 days last yearThat's really grim to think about
Oh come on, even my lazy bitch outdoes all of yours. And she's not even my oshi.
>>108322714easy to rack up hours if all you do are react streams
>>108322811Well, she stopped doing those this year. So no.
>>108322560ERB is a fucking disgrace, being that new and already a grifter. I hate her so much. But she can show up for niji male concerts!
>>108322560A normal job is 40 hours a week.Let's be generous and say should only stream 10 hours per week. And let's also give them a month off on top of that. So 48 weeks * 10 = 480 hours.If you have less then that, get out of here.
>>108323142>>108323079>>108322621We don't do unicorn posts here.Kill yourselves.
>>1083228393 days ago she had a 6 hour stream where she just sat and watched someone streaming a japanese convention
>>108323079So much of her shit is doing as little work as possible. Tons of watchalongs, the early day when she'd just rerun her unarchived karaokes and call it a new stream, the tons of collabs yet overall lack of solo streams that aren't directly hololive related. I like her voice but she was such an awful pick.
Orange vtubers are so reliable
>>108322605to be fair Cecilia streams very often but the streams are relativ short compared to Mems like Biibo Irys or Kiara. She usually streams ATLEAST 5 times a week and sometimes even 2 times a day on different times because of collabs etc and than its in the other persons channel. Just look for example this weeks schedule.Many streams but they were short because she was / still is Sick.
>>108322560i hope kiara beat bibot because pebbles are annoying
>>108322560ROCK IN
>>108323176not even a unicorn, I WATCH niji male stuff. And I hated seeing her with Ren too. I just can't stand ERB, she's a lazy, no talent cunt
>>108322560too bad Biboo won't last more than another few years doing that squeaky toddler voice. She'll fuck up her throat like so many other chuubas have from doing that
>>108323176Unicorns dont watch HoloEN
>>108323847Niji Male Stuff. Jesus Christ.
>>108323740This
>>108323738Those are Gura level excuses, she hasn't been streaming close to enough for a new hire
>>108322675yep, while making an average yearly salary every month
>>108323176I'm not a Unicorn, I'm a CGDCT Chad.
>>108323738Cecilia USED to stream very often but she's been erratic as fuck for almost a year now. The chart shows this, she has one of the lowest hours of the whole branch.
>>108322605I could even accept it from the older members but what the fuck are the new hires doing streaming the least!?
>>108322560What the fuck is Nerissa doing
>>108323079stop ruining words
>>108324384whoring herself out to as many 3D live as possible, stream? no can do
>>108324384her less than consistent schedule in '25 is the largest reason I dropped her, she was inconsistent, traveled like her life depended on it and never really kept up to date with her fans (Feel free to correct me on this cause I just stopped watched her completely)
>>108324536What made me drop her is that she clearly spends 15 hours a day on Twitter but can't promote her stuff/update
1300+ hours is slop tier, 800 is the sweet spot
>>108322560>My oshi is in the red:(
>>108322560I didn't even notice that Kronii barely streamed, what's up with that one? It's the only one I don't remember an actual reason for
>>108324260>I could even accept it from the older members but what the fuck are the new hires doing streaming the least!?The graduations in Hololive really demoralized the EN branch even if none of them can say that to viewers. Losing several talents because of garbage management has caused several of them to start coasting doing the minimum. Cover is a typical Japanese corporation in that they really don't give a shit about employee morale.
>>108322560>>108322560Ina.....
>>108322560If your Oshi streamed less than Mori they're instantly graduated.
>>108324662Don't worry, we all love Ina
>>108324697Too busy with gymbro to stream
>>108323881b-but people assured me she really sounds like that!
>>108323079You gonna talk about Nerissa then? Less hours and is off with random Koreans now.
>>108324384She's speedrunning the Gura track unironically.
>>1083238812 years in a row with even more hours streamed.No voice issues because it's her real voice.
>>108324697She has never streamed much but it's ok until she graduates then it was always a problem
>>108324697She's never been a frequent streamer since debut and there's no special reason for it, she's just lazy
>>108324887What does she even do?
>>108324384It's even worse when you realize that this also counts all the rebroadcast streams she has done and if you omit that, she would probably be below Ina
>>108322560Actual full-time job: 40 h/w * 52 weeks = 2080 hours. Let's say you get some time off to round it off to 2000 hours a year.The one who streamed the most did 68% of that, everyone except her did less than 45% of that, the one who did less 16.5%. Grim, that's even less than a part-time job hours for most of them. No wonder there's like only 3 streams in a normal day despite there being 15 streamers.
>>108326649warms my heart and hardens my dick
>>108322675Put another way: normal people work 40 hour weeks, excluding commute time. 2 months of normal work is 320 hours.
>>108324697>what's up with that one?Nothing, she's always been on the lower end She collabs on other people's channels a lot, so that's probably you've never noticed
>>108322560>fuwamocoMutiply by 2
>>108322560Anyone barely above Ina is a disgrace sitting in a chair is like running a marathon for Ina
>>108322560The red ones are currently dating/married, The yellow/orange ones are looking for a partner. And the green ones are currently single and focusing on their career.
>>108326649dopes around
>>108326649She's possibly the closest thing to CGDCT that Myth has.
>>108322560Ina is a lazy fuck and should graduate. She's useless at this point
Lmfao, why is Kiara /here/?
>>108327191They need more talent in EN so fucking bad. I'm tired of every fucking night having no options or just Biboo.
>>108328358KEK
>>108322605So convenient you make the cutoff on your oshi, bratkek
>>108328358KEKKAROOOO!
>>108328358No it's more than just EN is a shithole of a branch.
>>108328358It was nothing crazy Kiara, you're still lazy, everyone else is just lazier.
>>1083231429to5s are an outdated century old relic
>>108328358Hi Kiwawa love you
>>108324384Being depressed
>>108327191You know that streaming is not the only thing they do, right?You are on some level dimly aware that their job is not just the time between pressing go live and ending stream, yes? Because not realizing that would be absolutely retarded.
>>108322605Hmmm… what a particular number…
>>108328919You really gonna sit here and tell me that they're totally working 2-3x as much on the back end as they are streaming? If so, that shit takes WAYYYY too much time.
>>108324697Kronii is far happier since Fauna died though so quality is up significantly
>>108328992Consider just showing up in someone elses 3D concert for a single job. That means they now have to learn a coreography, then show up at the studio for the recording session, plus all the associated travel. And no one even fucking remembers it because they're just there for one song in someone elses show, but it was still like two days of work.That's the problem, really. All the prerecorded content takes way too much time.
>>108329141She probably schlicks it to Nimi’s dropping numbers
>>108329141Far happier since she's getting pounded by gymbro every night, you mean
>>108322560CC used to stream more than that with a full-time job...
>>108329192And all for 5 minutes on someone elses channel!WOW!Seriously, I don't hate the idol stuff, but I do think that there's far too much time spent on it for such a small 'payoff', half of the time not even on their own channel.>>108329300Like the Anon who I'm replying to said, it's all the stupid extra bullshit for dancing/singing + any other bullshit like meetings for the small stuff that we don't know about. I'm sure they have to be there for some of the meetings to set up all the sponsored streams and sponsored events too. Who knows how much time gets eaten by them just sitting in a call or at the office listening to some fag marketing person.
>>108324384Eating hot pot, usually.
>>108328992>>>108328919>You really gonna sit here and tell me that they're totally working 2-3x as much on the back end as they are streaming? If so, that shit takes WAYYYY too much time.Given that Hololive deliberately is shifting away from streaming and more to con appearances and concerts, yeah.
>>108329300the extra idolshit is not helping her health i think she might quit next year
>>108328746>EN is a shithole of a branch.Not really streamhourfags hyperfixate on EN, but cumulatively speaking they're the branch that punches above their weight-class the most and you can see that if you're autistic enough to run the numbers through vstats For every ERB EN has, JP has an Ayame, an Choco, and an Laplus, etc; that drags their hours streamed downID in particular has been in the shitter lately as well with both Kaela and Moona taking time off
>>108327191I could belive that between recording and writing Mori at least is working a full time job.
>>108329790Okay, now compare the number of members from both branches and tell me how many no stream hours the Japs have
>>108329790EN is also hyper insular so there's a shitload of collab hours not countedLike all statistics, its bullshit
>>108324722>Losing several talents because of garbage managementYou REALLY still believe that?
>>108328358Orange woman good
>>108322560This doesn't take into account how much off stream work Ina does. She'd be in the middle of the pack. She's been making multiple outfits for her coworkers, multiple music MVs, and a bunch of sponsorship deals. Still far from what you'd call "lazy"
>>108322560Okay now turn this data into a digestible graph, average the result with the dispersion value and finally compare this over the year with a regular 44 hours a week.
>>108329230Gymschizo’s ranting and raving only started after the LLD. Wonder why that is. Enjoy the (You).
>>108330284no one here is going to get mad about Ina of all the people on that chartshe is one of the few who has a professional side career to holo that still works it reliably and also does a shit ton of art for holo like designing the MH outfits or that miku collab
>>108329790now take into comparison how much the average EN indie streams
>>108330152The only person worth their weight in salt on the EN side is Nimi. No matter how much (you) might whine about what she posted on twitter, she's the only one of them putting effort into their online career post-graduation.
>>108330330Probably because Kronii got jealous and also wanted to get some good fucking
>>108330423All of them continued business as usual, the ones who didn't put effort post-graduation also didn't put effort before-graduation
>>108329790Yeah but the JPs have like 40 girls to watch and most of them are CGDCT.
>>108329790EN is only punching above their weight class because of all the lost members. Being high despite not stacking high hours WAS their weight class, and holoEN has always been extremely strong. Keep in mind Bae and Kiara used to be the "runts" with like 4-5k average viewers
>>108328992No. Not a single person with a functioning brain believes that's a legitimate excuse but it is the excuse that EN's have always used since they unlocked the Japan DLC. The reason you know it's not true is not just because it equally affects people who go to Japan, people who don't go to Japan and people who live in Japan but also because it somehow doesn't affect members who stream all the time anyway. Most of Holos' most popular talents who get a ton of sidework are also its most frequent streamers. Choco doesn't stream much but she's also not appearing in much either. Koyori appears in lots of stuff but she also streams a lot.
>>108328358Kiara does have a good work ethic for a vtuber and she take pride in that. 2025 was a demoralizing year for Myth so it's a little shocking how many hours she did stream.>>108328919There is a lot of other stuff they do in Hololive but Biboo had 3D concerts, and her 3D showcase, and is a frequent guest at 3D lives. They do more than streaming but it's an exaggeration to say the studio eats up all their extra time.>>108330152>You REALLY still believe that?After years of malicious compliance and 7 graduations in 2025 I am even more confident of that. The strict NDA is the only reason that casual fans still think Hololive is a good company. Yagoo isn't evil since he could have crushed the malicious compliance by rushing out several new EN gens but not settling major disputes still caused a lot of graduations.
Also worthwhile to note that it isn't purely about time spent, but also frequency. If you leave your channel rotting for weeks with 2 streams that are 10 hours long, it'll make your hours streamed overall look better than someone who gives 10 2 hour streams spread between those two weeks. It feels like you stream more even if you might have the same or less hours, because every night someone goes home, there's something new to look at/watch. Some of the bigger hours streamed (Kiara, Biboo, GG, Mori) have a good mix of long and short. What you need alongside that is # of streams.
>>108328358Damn she really is /here/.
>>108330068>now compare the number of members from both branches and tell me how many no stream hours the Japs haveYou realize that strengths my argument, right? There's 27 HoloJPs, counting both Dev_Is gens since they're basically just JP6 and 7, that's 36 members vs the 15 ENs (really it's more like 14 in practice because Fuwamoco rarely do solo streams) That 21-man differential allows JP to basically brute force its way into putting up respectable hour, having multiple 300~ hour streamers in that branch quite literally does not matter because of there's enough of them to make up the difference
>>108322560If we set the "average" stream length to 6 hours (I know Holos often stream much less than this)Bijou's 1360 comes to 226 days of streams. So roughly 2/3 of the year. That's respectable and lines up with a lot of other full-time streamers, though I know she often does longer streams so the day count is likely lower.Kiara's 891 comes to 148 days of streams. Less than half the year.These girls don't fucking stream.
>>108330284I don't care. Stream or graduate
>>108322560Wow Nerissa really phoned it in last year, just really sad to see. She had such huge potential to be big in Holo with her fantastic singing skills and her cute personality. But it definitely seemed like she kinda despised streaming and the whole BloodRaven thing has far outrun it's course. On the other hand though, I'm honestly impressed Shiori streamed that much last year too. Say what you want about her, but she does a lot for her fans and has a lot of really cool stream ideas and even puts special members videos/vlogs too for the Novelneets. She pretty clearly cares for her fans
I got to be honest I only watched 180 hours of my oshi's streams last year, I don't really want them to stream 24/7 like you guys do, like I don't got time to watch all that, a lot of that time was it was just running on my PC while I was sleeping.Like I can't watch more then that so I don't care if they stream more.
>>108328780Bitch, in my country is still 8:30 to 5:30.
>>108322560>Nerissa and LizLiterally no excuse to be that close to Ina.
>>108330390>take into comparison how much the average EN indie streamsThis is a kinda false equivalencyThere's literally thousands of indies, some stream 1000 hours, and other stream 50 hours, so the average is not nearly as "good" as you probably think it isFurthermore most indies don't have nearly as many off-stream obligations as Holos have so they don't *do* anything other than stream which gives advantage thereLastly as >>108322811 pointed out, indies aren't really burdened by general "culture" or perms, which allows them to pad the fuck out of their stream hours with empty calorie stuff like react streams or sub/dono-a-thons where they're allowed to just leave OBS running while they're asleep
>>108332001why is she such a passive aggressive, petty cunt
>>108332058I know you wouldn't know this, but she talked in her members stream about how she thought she streamed less overall this year for her fans and felt bad thinking it was a lot less than previous years. She apologized multiple times thinking she was far under her hours streamed than previous years and that she was cutting back on content because of recordings and travel ramping up this year for her.But hey, keep being the gigga nigger you are.
>>108332130i mean he has a point man. I usually dont shit on kiara but this post is really kind of an asshole move. It can be read like "lol i thought i had way less hours but look at these other lazy cunts". May it be on purpose or not, it passivly degrades every mem under her.
>>108322560saba status?
>>108332310Reread my post. She's comparing to herself and even did so during a members stream a few days ago feeling bad about streaming less. Second, who's fucking fault is it that other talents don't stream? Feel free to read this thread, because I don't think it's all Kiara and Biboo supporters ripping on other talents for not streaming. There's a chunk of shitposters and pot-stirrers who like to weigh in on this stuff, but fans, specifically Nerissa's, have been pretty vocal about how shit their hours streamed are.
>>108332310>It can be read like "lol i thought i had way less hours but look at these other lazy cunts"Good. Lazy cunts should be ashamed
>>108332417I read the post and your post and i agree that its not their "fault" that others have less hours streamed in total than Bijou and Kiara. All i was saying that even tho it was not her intention to formulate her post that way it still SOUNDS for an outsider very "Me-focused". Its the "wink wink nudge nudge" hey i streamed more than others what i mean". That there are some Schizos here is nothing new and it will never change, especially when it comes to "Kiara did this and that" but even for me who likes Kiara this post is not her best work. Just my 2 cents on that matter.
>>108328992>You really gonna sit here and tell me that they're totally working 2-3x as much on the back end as they are streaming?Somewhat, it's kind of a variableSomeone like Bae for example was actually finishing years top 3-5 in 2021-2023 but recently she's decided to pile on more work than she can really actually do, so her stream hours have tanked
>>108332837 <-- Me.And all i can say in CC´s case that her Numbers are lower compared to others like Kiara/ Bejou / GG is mainly because she is not a Gamer like these 3. Bijoi rarely streams under 8 hours when shes gaming and shes gaming very often. Same for Kiara. CC is 70% Zatsu´s and u have to admit that after 18 months maybe there isnt much to talk about then before. All storys have been told besides very recent ones. Try to make a 6 hour stream out of 1 or 2 storys. The reason she cannot play games for more than 2-3 Hours is because of her Hand(s). She got some medical Issues and is trying to fix this but this cant be done in a just a few weeks by a Random Doc. Sry for the Essay but some facts should be told here in CC´s Case.
>>108333021And tell me how that's good for a viewer, someone who likes to show up to streams frequently and looks for content of any kind coming from her?
>>108333144>And tell me how that's good for a viewerYou get see her pop-up in lots 3D stuff, as well produce a bunch music related stuff like covers and originals as well the satisfaction of knowing she's having fun pursing her passion
>>108333442So less content for what you think is 'better' content. Got it.Feel free to call me a tranny or tell me to go watch non-Holo/non-idols or whatever. I don't think Bae was particularly bad this year, but it's really retarded than anyone is below 600 hours on stream.
>>108331701>t. novelcuck
>>108332837>Kiara>ME ME ME!Who could've seen this one coming
>>108326140ain't no way in hell that's her real voice. do your reps
>>108328358she really is /our/ girl, we just didnt know it yet
>>108333499>So less content for what you think is 'better' content. Got it.Why are you watching Hololive if you value playing a video for a couple hours overwhelming more than you do music and performances? Especially someone like Bae cares a LOT her ability to dance?
>>108333911Gee, I dunno fag, almost like a majority of the content before 2022, yes even on the JP side, was streaming. Ayame wasn't always a lazy sack of shit, neither were Roboco or and of the slum bitches who do nothing anymore. It was built on streams and idol work was the side work while the main focus was streaming. Now it's turning out to be the reverse. Fuck you and your revisionist bullshit, suck my nuts.
>>108328358I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but the ranking of hours came from Twitter, and she most likely saw it there.
>>108334003Not him but what the fuck are you talking about. Ayame was a lazy sack of shit from day 1. You might be thinking of Aqua or Marine, who were streaming monsters but then fell off around 2022.
>>108322560The absolute state of HoloEN, even if you doubled their hours to take into account recording/studio shit then its still disappointing lol. They're basically not even doing part time hours, and its not like they have a ton of shit to show for it either. Especially fucking Ina, yeah she has the duo concert with Kiara as somewhat of an excuse of "work" coming up to keep busy, but Kiara is #2 on this list even doing her own personal concert stuff on top of Holo ones. Same with Liz, she doesn't really put out much music stuff despite being the "main" singer of EN, which again is retarded because Cali is way more of the known singer but is in the top 5 here. Kronii and Nerissa have 0 excuse, because they don't do art shit like Ina or focus on music stuff like some of the others. Those 2 are probably the most pathetic in EN, 0 talent and don't even stream. I don't even wanna think about how many hours Saba had in 2025, not even 300 I'd imagine lmao fucking lazy bitch
>>108323881Nta but as a child you have a baby cute voice you use in school. That is the octive range she is using. She is 100% comfortable with it. It is the same non secret Gura had you just never drop that as a kid and it becomes a weaponized weapon for loli enjoyers.
>>108332058Because as a vt user, your preconceptions is that Kiara's a passive-agressive, petty cunt, so you read it that way. Doesn't help that she's ESL and phrases things like an idiot, but neither does readers' biases.
>>108334199Nerissa was quite busy this year, so much so that she ended up moving to Japan because it was easier. Ina has another job, and ERB is autistic and wastes too much time on covers because she wants to do all the work herself instead of hiring others like everyone else does. Kroni is the only one without any excuse.
>>108334199You don't see Ina because she does JP marketing. She is big in Japan for Hololive and does plenty of small events and real promotions, while Mori has the singer side.People don't even realize they still sell CDs in Japan when it comes to idol music. The CD + radio thing has a lot of coverage to the JP landscape.
You know its funny how EN fans are always so adamant about "oh EN is not an idol group like JP, they focus more on streaming instead." Yet JP still manages to stream an insane amount of hours individually while also still pushing out idol stuff, while EN is barely putting numbers on the board for streaming lol.
>>108334366Nerissa is pretty terrible at streaming she uses the family buff but has nothing else going for her.
>>108331419>These girls don't fucking stream.They're not streamers. They're idols and voice actresses.
>>108334398>You know its funny how EN fans are always so adamant about "oh EN is not an idol group like JP, they focus more on streaming instead."Which "EN fans"? Most HoloEN fans know well they are an idol group
>>108328358That's my Chicken Oshi
>>108334366What could she possibly be busy with, she better be pumping out a fuck ton of shit this year then. Also doesn't really mean anything that she moved to Japan when other members did the same in 2025 as well, but still managed to beat her otu. Ina's art job is barely a thing, she puts out like 1 or 2 major commissions a year and that's it lmao. ERB barely even puts out covers, and is too busy homocollabing.
>>108334440It's an EN branch, you don't get popularity in EN by doing idolshit
>>108334440Then take 'em to JP where the rest of the idols go.This is a vtuber board, and vtubing is about creating video content online, such as livestreaming.
>>108334375Yes Ina does collabs and events, but that doesn't excuse being at the literal bottom of streaming for EN the entire year. People made the same excuse for Gura "oh she's in ambassador stuff so she can't stream more than once a month." Its fucking retarded, shouldn't be that hard to get on the computer for even 1-2 hours a week just to hang out with the people who support you
>>108334554Weird to say this when the top members are all idol-oriented nowadays
>>108324662My two favorite ENs are fucking ina and nerissa, how do you think I feel
>>108334597Hololive defines VTubing. Suck it up. Queen of English VTubers doesn't even stream anymore
>>108334622No, retard, the top members are all streaming-oriented nowadays
>>108334448I would absolutely not say that most EN fans consider them idols, most EN fans would consider them streamers before being idols. The only members who actually pursue the idol image are Kiara/Irys/FuwaMoco really
>>108334668>Hololive defines VTubingThis hasn't been true for years. Fewer and fewer companies try to copy Hololive, and fewer and fewer indies even want to join a company in the first place.
>>108334673>Mori>Biboo>IRyS>stream-oriented?Just because they stream doesn't mean they are streaming-oriented
>>108334554It's not about popularity, which is why your top hitters are Bijou,, Kiara, Gigi, Mori, Shiori, Raora, and Fuwamoco.FWMC and Bijou are popular and have the CCV and merch sales to show for it. Mori is popular too, but she's not inclining anymore. Gigi is the most popular out of Shiori and Kiara and that's not saying much.There's no correlation.>>108334597Well yes, merging what's left of EN into main branch would make sense. It had a streaming presence on debut and during COVID but that's not the focus anymore. The most successful foreign talents are living alongside the native Japanese talents already, in order to appear in 3D live idol performances. Being outside of Japan is just a debuff. It's all about Fes and concerts and being available for variety show content with sponsor spots.
>>108334541 >>108334605>Ina's art job is barely a thingIna only does a handful of pieces for Cover each year, along with other promos, but as not-Ina there's contract work, promotions, etc. releasing each month for manga, anime, and other brands.Out of Myth, I'm not sure if she or Calli has the biggest split between Cover and non-Cover work all things considered.
>>108334673Not really. Biboo is the only one who could be considered "streamer oriented", the rest of the popular EN members are more geared towards idol stuff
>>108334732>Fewer and fewer companies try to copy HololiveImagine saying this when everyone and their moms (even Phase and indies) try to get their 3D concerts
>>108322560Will anyone be surprised if Nerissa or ERB announce graduations?
>>108328919And Cali, the biggest subhuman idolshitter, still manages to stream more than most.
>>108334732Nice cope, it's still the golden standard of vtubing. Plus most people have their oshi in Hololive, you almost never hear the majority of people saying their oshi is in Niji or an indie, at least without also having an oshi in Holo
>>108334767FWMC almost entire have their viewship supplanted by JP viewers. The only time they actually do well is when they have an early morning stream or stream something JP fans like and speak a little Japanese during the stream. Outside of that, they are about as solid as Nerissa or Shiori for the Advent streams and are usually on the lower end for bigger collabs.
>>108334758>Biboo>not stream orientedWhat?
>>108334769Uh I was talking about "not Ina" and she most certainly does not release art shit every month.
>>108334810Doubt it, ERB never really has had any complaints with Hololive/Cover. Then Nerissa just finished moving to Japan, so they are some of the last members who would leave. The most likely members to leave at this point are Kiara/Kronii
>>108322560Lmao I streamed over 1000 hours last year. Feels good knowing I beat most holos.
>>108334861Biboo has been doing more and more idol activities. She likes streams and streams a lot, but she definitely prioritizes idol stuffs more. It's like how IRyS used to stream 800-900+ hours a year before her throat got fucked, but her priority was still the idol / singer path.Just think about it: someone who cares more about streaming than idols wouldn't have moved to Japan at first place because it would actually do more harm than helps in that case.
>>108334799>Hololive owns the concept of 3D concertsThey weren't even the first to do it.>>108334837There are lots of vtubers these days who don't know a damn thing about Hololive, which is something that was unthinkable just a couple years ago.They don't have the same grip on the industry they used to.
>>108322560Damn, EN only has 15 members.
>>108334003>almost like a majority of the content before 2022, yes even on the JP side, was streamingIt's still the majority of content of NOW, wtf do you retards even be talking about? lolThere's a quite literal endless delude of stream content coming out Holo on a daily basis and it'll always be that way because streaming is just inherently lower effort Look at this, even a NEET couldn't realistically watch the majority streams happening on a daily basis
>>108335008Yeah it's fucking shit, they should have hired another 1-2 gens by now.
>>108334787>forgot about Gigi >and that almost all Justice members are streaming orientated
>>108334992No she doesn't lol, she has the most streaming hours out of anyone by far, did you even look at the image
>>108334668>>108334732Western vtubing is over.Cover slipped trying to copy Luxiem poorly, vshojo poisoned the entire well with twitch culture for years, Niji tried to mix disposable talents in media franchises with western labor expectations and shit the bed publicly, and then in the confusion vshojo whispered sweet nothings into anybody with draw (Gura, Fauna) and an impractical amount of benchwarmers (Ame, Mint) and immolated itself in confusion. Burnt Peanut won vtuber of the year and that's a flat EKG on a stiff that was already on life support.Actual vtubing, in Japan, is doing fine. Miko still pulls 100K doing practically and anything and Suisei commands respect. DEV_IS wasn't executed well but they're doing fine.
>>108334997>Hololive owns the concept of 3D concertsThat's not what I said. It's just that 3D concerts are part of the performer (singer, idol or dancer) package and not the streamer one. A lot of companies and big indies have been moving from pure streaming to idols or performing activities like hololive did
>>108334997Any vtuber that doesn't know a thing about Holo is a newfag tourist
>>108322560cool, I worked 10,000 hours this year. And I actually work and not just play video games all day.
>>108334837That's just not true at all and your argument is anecdotal, most normies I've talked with had contact with non-hololive vtubers
>>108335008Meanwhile ID still at 3 gens lmao, EN should count itself lucky to have 4 even though they've lost what 5 members basically an entire gen at this point. Plus they lost Gura who carried the fuck out of them in terms of numbers and global recognition
>>108335121I did, and I also said>Just because they stream doesn't mean they are streaming-orientedWhat matters is where their priorities lie.I.e: Vivi streamed significant more than Biboo & most JP members (1,739 hours in total) and she is also undeniably idol-oriented
>>108335213>moving the goalpost
>>108335045The original argument was that the most popular EN members are streamer focused, Biboo is by far one of the most popular ones in terms of numbers because of how often she streams. Gigi, and by extension Justice, does "focus" on streaming too but they are nowhere near as popular as Biboo. Like seriously, who gives a fuck about Justice. The only thing they did was bring in more troons and fags into the fanbase thanks to Gigi, and more homobeggars thanks to ERB. Raora is inconsequential and CC is edging between being woke like with her YMCA uncle gay shit and denouncing the heil hitler scene from the Indiana Jones game while also barely teetering Gigi's bullshit yuri baiting
>>108335261Doesn't matter what your own personal experience is, Hololive is still the face of vtubing and the most popular
>>108334877Had to double-check, but:Jan/Feb: Book cover/promo art, manga volume cover art, Nikke promos; Mar/Apr: PSCS promos, IGX art/merch, AL promo and in-game art; May: Book cover art; Jun: Hoyo promo art; Jul: Book cover; Aug: Epson printer promo; Sep: Book/Anime promo art; Oct: Yostar promo art, DNA promo art; Nov: (empty - *gasp*); Dec: Exhibition announcementSo it depends on what you mean by "release art shit". Sure, the stuff released may not be produced the same month, but assuming that there's always something in the pipeline her output has been consistent.
>>108335383I've been seeing a lot more GG and Biboo stuff at cons for sale in the NA. I go to 10ish a year, so not a huge swath by any means, but the amount of merch for those two in the Artists Alley has increased while everyone else has gone down outside of Nimi.
>>108335306Uh no its more like reiterating what the truth is, that Hololive still dominates the scene. Only a Niji or Phase fag would think otherwise
Number general exists. Doesn't give ex-Gura or ex-Ame crap for their low numbers. Noticing
>>108335432Still doesn't excuse being at the literal bottom of EN, might as well have left then like Sana did if she wants to prioritize her art shit
>>108335507Fuck EN you guys don't spend lol self over hyped fan base when all the profits being a vtuber is found in JP
>>108335448That's only because Gigi and Cece are a pairing, which automatically boosts their popularity. But even considering that, they aren't exactly what I would refer to as "top dogs" of EN
>>108335453This is a Holo thread, nobody cares about the lazy indie whores
>>108335421>my personal experience matters your personal opinion doesn't matterlol
>>108335563Uh replying to wrong person?
>>108335615You're the only one who gave a personal experience retard, Hololive still dominates the overall market popularity "lol"
>>108335449Indies combined are much more popular than Hololive
>>108335507Never said anything about her being bottom EN. Just that unlike some of the bottom performers, there's clear indication of her time being spent on other work (as compared to just nothing).If she wants to split time between jobs, that's her thing. There are others to watch and support, Cover-affiliated or otherwise.
>>108335659>you almost never hear the majority of people saying their oshi is in Niji or an indienot a personal experience?
>>108335671Wrong, all indies combined are behind Niji and Holo not even making top 5 in overall popularity
>>108335709All indies combined are more than 50% of the EN market
>>108335703More like what actual vtubers themselves are saying and what most people online say, not random normies that you "interact" with in person
>>108335727Proof?Also goalpost moving from all of Hololive to just EN now lmao
>>108335736You just gave the definition of you having a personal experience
>>108322560Reminds me of working flex for Amazon>minimum hours needed per week>4>hours worked last week>4.25 for wiggle room in clocking in and out>”anon, do you want more hours this week”>…”nah, I’m good.”
>>108335758This thread is about an EN discussion
>>108335761So you're just this retarded huh, really got that mindbroken by Holo dominance
>>108335178Western vtubing isn't over, it never started.The essentials are entirely missing what vtubing is all about.Corpo vtubers will always be limited to what they do and with who, nowadays they are just whoring out on the parasocial train.Indies will always be bound to their brand and barely make any progress because they have 0 clue what vtubing is about.OF/fansly whores that destroy the entire vtuber premise with western degeneracy and only do vtubing because it has gotten popular, that's right now 75% of them or pander to that direction.Then you have the yapping grifter vtubers that doesn't contribute ANYTHING to vtubing but themselves and what they get out of lonely guy's by telling them what they want to hear but never ever really live up to what they are saying, that's the other 20%.And the tiny fraction of 5% that actually know at least the basics what vtubing is are either corpo graduates or people with idol/anime culture knowlegde.That's it pretty much for those that make vtubing for a living.
>>108335793>Indies combined are much more popular than Hololive Into>All indies combined are more than 50% of the EN marketlmao
>>108335812I accept your concession
>>108335842This thread is about EN vtubers, when I say hololive and indies I'm talking about specifically the EN side you absolute fucking mong
>>108335844And I accept that you're just a mentally retarded indie fag who seethes at Hololive btfo'ing your nobody whores
>>108335283>Meanwhile ID still at 3 gens lmao,That's cuz ID is this weird relic from the past when Cover was putting out gens without the exceptions of them doing well, they kind of knowledge a hypothetical ID4 won't come anywhere near the heights of ID3 and that actually demand for a new ID itself is a bit nebulous >Plus they lost Gura who carried the fuck out of them in terms of numbersNot really, that title belongs to MoriEven at their peaks, the real day-to-day "number getter" was her
>>108335905When you say Hololive, that encompasses every branch you fucking moron. Literal 0 iq indie fags fumbling over their own arguments
How is ERB the justice member without an original song, literally what is she doing
>>108335938ID was put out before EN was even a thing, I guarantee if EN was made first then ID never would've been given a chance in the mainstream corpo vtubing scene. You cannot argue that Mori was bigger than Gura, Gura pulled more numbers than any other EN and had way more ambassador deals because she was known more globally
>>108335945>please spoonfeed me every word otherwise my primitive monkey brain won't be able to understand the context from a discussion that stated about EN only
>>108336024You know subs don’t correlate to bringing in money or brand recognition, right? There’s a reason Mori is the first to do so many in the company while all anyone can say about Gura is she has the highest amount of subs.
>>108336041Nah you just can't accept that you're retarded and never made the distinction between just EN or Hololive overall because that's what people have done and always will. Jakarta fuck
>>108336105Uh never even brought up Gura's sub count, but yes she had the most subs and highest ccv which correlated to her global popularity. Mori is only doing so much of it now because Gura left, she was literally the face of EN which yes now Cali has taken the reigns in
>>108334992>>108335301You're going to have to define what idol-oriented means here because Biboo does pretty much the same idol stuff as most people in ENIRyS is a good example of someone who clearly prioritizes idol stuff over streaming because even though she does stream a lot, she also has long periods of not streaming while she focuses on recording and saving her voice. IRyS also releases a decent amount of music too.>Just think about it: someone who cares more about streaming than idols wouldn't have moved to Japan at first place because it would actually do more harm than helps in that case.Definitely false, because moving to Japan directly helps your streamer career because you can now network and stream with JP and appear in more studio streams and have access to all studio setups for any special streams you want to do. There is no case in which moving to Japan would do harm to your streaming career, are you mad?
>>108322675damn...and they cry about hating their job
>>108322560>1360 hours of zoomer screeching
>>108327829Nice try phasecuck falseflagger
>>108322605Selamat Pagi>>108322621>not enough CGDCTOh really, how come all of you retards say only EN can be CGDCT then?
>>108323905Unicorns for years have insisted HoloEN is the only "pure" Hololive, starting with the debut of Advent, don't kid yourself with that revisionist history lol
>>108328358Brownoids like to call themselves the voice of this god damn fandom so you might as well just spout "MOST INFLUENTIAL" like a third worlder
>>108328919Only numberfags think that. They belong in the gas chamber I fucking hate them so much
>>108332058You are brown
>>108336024>I guarantee if EN was made first then ID never would've been given a chance in the mainstream corpo vtubing scene.Yeah that branch as whole is just in a really awkward spot because so much of its identity was built off being "HoloEN-lite" at a time when english speaking corpos were few and far between, that just doesn't cut it in 2026. Their glimmer of hope is that Kobo pandered to an Indonesia speaking audience and managed blew the fuck up to 2 million subs, will be interesting to see if Cover thinks something like that is repeatable >You cannot argue that Mori was bigger than Gura, Gura pulled more numbersI can actually, this screen shot is a few months old (as you can prolly tell because the HoloPoi site is dead now) but as you can much see, nobody in HoloEN touches Mori, not even GuraEven at the peak of activity in 2021, Gura couldn't surpass her in both cumulative or monthly, which is why they went pretty much their whole careers getting the same amount of brand/sponsor deals, at worse they're the 1.A 1.B of the branch
>>108334199Ina has been streaming less in 2025 to focus more on sponsorships and merch shilling. I have the feeling there are reasons that she needed to be on the good side of management. Still with 7 graduations 2025 was always going to be a grim year.>>108334375>You don't see Ina because she does JP marketing. She is big in Japan for Hololive and does plenty of small events and real promotionsGura did the same thing with the Sendai Umino-Mori Aquarium in February 2024 that Ina is doing with the National Museum of Marine Science and Technology in March 2026. These events like "Dive into Hololive" might help boost revenue for Cover but they don't really benefit the fans they are most for selling merch.https://hololivepro.com/news_en/20240123-01-66/https://x.com/OU_EN_CAFE/status/2001502687024832738
>>108336810Shut the fuck outfitschizo and leave Ina alone already
>>108336843Replying to him just makes him emboldened.Besides be thankful he doesn't spread his bullshit to Tower because otherwise everyone would be dogpiling his ass kek
>>108324384me
>>108333824kill yourself biboo schizo, you lost faggot.
>>108335121>she has the most streaming hoursand ? Do you think Koyori isn't an idol ?
Anything above 500 is too much. Only jobless losers have that much time to consume chuuba sloppas.
>>108333911ENsharts are a special breed of entitled who used to call them "VTumors" before invading the hobby
>>108337011>Marine and Suisei are more lazy than fucking AyameWhat happened?
>>108337011What the fuck is up with La+?
>>108337134>Suisei>lazyNo, she's a successful musician first and foremost and really doesn't even need her channel. She could just show up on the Hololive channel from time to time but she is what a vsinger should have been.
>>108337178Twitch
>>108337134Suisei basically said in pretty clear terms that 2025 was a break year for herIdk what's up with Marine
>>108337259Fuck that platform so much.
>>108336843>Shut the fuck outfitschizo and leave Ina alone alreadyAnon we aren't on Reddit and Cover has over 800 employees. Hololive will keep getting worse when idiots blindly defend management and your only using the talents as meat shields which is absurd when they had 7 graduations in one year. Who are you really helping when you defend the current situation in Hololive?
>>108322560bae-chan is so cute, I wish she would stream more so I could watch
>>108333824Anon her PL was in the same octave range, She's always sounded like a kid, there is no secret deep voice, short people tend to have high voice ranges because their vocal cords are small like the rest of them
>>108337643Kys outfit
>>108331115Yagoo has lost control of his holomunculus
>>108330330She didn't mention him till after?..
>>108330145if we are to believe (you) then they all gain a equal amount of hours and the lazy are still lazy
>>108334440please tell me the schedule of even the worst idol with barely any promotions, it's 3x what these girls do.
>>108333442"lots" "a bunch" descriptors that don't belong with holo output
>>108334810They'd have to be fired, why would they go back to bagging groceries
>>108335825>Western vtubing isn't over, it never startedJarvis pull up holoJP growth before gura
>>108337011yes I do not
>>108322560>only holoEN left that’s even worth watching is Ina>least streamed hours of any of themplus, they all get mogged by Laimu anyway, so I don’t think trying to dick measure with stream hours is a game holofags want to play in the first place
>>108338821That's what's so funny about all this shit. The lowly idols have to grind it out by day at a day job and then run off to preform at night after doing some practicing on their days off, preforming 3-4 nights a week at shit places for small pittances of money in the hopes they'll make it. Meanwhile half these little faggots pretend that the few concerts and songs they dance to over the year should eat up hundreds of hours of their normal daily content while more of that normal content gets polluted with ads and merch.If you wanted an idol who sang and danced all the time, there's a million better options. Holo used to be a decent place to watch streams daily, but for the EN side of things it seems to get worse and worse with every passing month. So, where's the weekly performances? Basically everyone who did bi-weekly karaoke, which isn't even close to performing on stage live, doesn't do that shit either because they have to sell their voice to some shit voice pack or a commercial for the company or some other cross promotion.
>>108339104Amen.
>>108322560Lol Nerissa & ERB, neither quality nor quantity streams. The Holo brand carries both of them, otherwise they'd both be 2 view literal whos.
>>108339104The constant merch shilling and emphasis on soulless slop concerts is why I stopped watching holo years ago and haven’t really felt like I’m missing out on anything
>>108339289Dismissing them wholesale because of selling merch and doing cross promotions with other companies is retarded, but it's really starting to get out of hand. It's irritating when you ask why EN has seemed to ramp up this stuff ten-fold in the last year or two and all you get met with is some retard saying "Uhh don't you WANT her to make more money???". Of course I don't want them to be destitute like a majority of Niji or those idols who grind day jobs on top of their passion, but I sure as fuck don't need the shrinking number of stream hours to be dedicated to even more merch pushing and ad streams.Just take the stupid Lesportsac collab that Ina and Kiara did. Who the fuck is that for?
>>108339095>plus, they all get mogged by Laimu anywayNobody cares about the Vinesauce/Jerma streaming circle's community semen toilet, man
>>108328358She saw it on Twitter you dumbfucks I also got that tweet on my FYP
>>108322560If Bijou was unicorn friendly I would make her my Holo oshi for sure. Streams more than even the smaller vtubers I know, also cute loli design.
>>108336108Nta, but wtf are you even arguing about? If you take Hololive overall, it is also mogged by indies overall and it's not even close.
>>108339376acting like that's a negative, allergic to good content
>>108335825Kek, does anyone except you have the secret knowledge of "what vtubing is about"?
>>108339688vtubing is about making my dick hard
>>108323881luna has been putting on a baby voice for 6 years now and she streams almost as much as biboo. some people are just built different, i don't see why biboo wouldn't be able to keep going.
>>108326170>it's ok until she graduates then it was always a problemwe rewriting history now? i've been shitting on her streaming output since the beginning. she takes long vacations several times a year. her regular schedule is 3 streams a week if she's feeling generous and one of those 3 streams is low effort garbage like superchat reading or members only garbage. the people that are still left have accepted that it is what it is and she will never be a biboo type streamer.
>>108336810>Ina has been streaming less in 2025 It is a shame that Ina in the end couldn't bring herself to drop the illustration thing and go full in streaming games , I understand being the main artist of a series that soon will be Anime was too much to let go but there are fans that wish she sticked to her debut year resolution and dropped the side gig , Now she is way too big in that circle to stop
>>108334605Gura always had an excuse because she was a liar. Ina actually does those campaigns and other projects. I think you should stop comparing and pick someone else as a better example. Ina streams and travels more than Gura ever did after all.
>>108339104>The lowly idols have to grind it out by day at a day job and then run off to preform at night after doing some practicing on their days off, preforming 3-4 nights a week at shit places for small pittances of moneyIf an idol (or any musician, full-stop) has to rely on income outside of her music than she's prolly just shit at her job and can't draw dimes Idk why you'd would compare them to Holo even the lesser popular ones can put a couple thousands asses in seats >Holo used to be a decent place to watch streams daily, but for the EN side of things it seems to get worse and worse with every passing month.No clue why you retards keep forcing this meme when the median hours streamed within EN has increased overall throughout it's existence, genuinely how the fuck did you survive 2022 when half the branch was legit dead and didn't have the excuse for being busy with recordings?You said "Holo used to be a decent place to watch streams daily" well in the past 24 hours, there's been about 53 hours, 46 minute (and counting) worth of content streamed by ENs today, how much of that have you actually watched?If the answer is anything less than 10, then stop bitching
>>108335213why does anyone need to know anything about Holo, not missing out on anything
>>108339982>no clueIt's simple, they don't watch streams , they only falseflag
>>108322560>Fuwamoco only 637Wtf happen to them? They were supposed to be the hardest workers in Hololive, which they been trying to get in since forever. I feel like they were streaming way harder in previous years.
>>108339940You're just one guy and frankly I've never seen you
>>108340061japan
>>108328919>You know that streaming is not the only thing they do, right?You might have a point if Calli and Kiara weren't simultaneously streaming the most while also releasing the most music. Biboo had a 3D live, was involved in all the Advent songs and projects, released an original song and showed up for other peoples 3D lives. It's clearly possible to do both if you're motivated but some of them just don't care.
>>108339964Glad she made the right choice
>>108339982self proclaimed idolfags not knowing anything about idols, classic.
>>108334810nerissa would have to be pretty retarded to move to japan with cover's visa only to graduate.
>>108339940>She will never be a biboo type streamer Pebblekeks simply can't stfu about streamed hours , your annoying chipmunk whore is the Maruchan of hololive , cheap and in big quantities
>>108339535>allergic to good contentIndie niggas will tell you with a straight-face that you're "allergic to good content" and the "good content" in question is just someone playing the same rotation of recently-released that virtually every other streamer has played/is playingHades 2? Kingdom come? Where the Winds meet? Nightreign? My Little Puppy? Pummel Party? REPO? PEAK? Wowzers Limebro, this is some cutting-edge stuff!
>>108340293Is this not basically the same shit you get from HoloEn but with some karaoke and thrilling super chat reading streams mixed in and less variety & streams overall?
>>108324384The stud at the gym
>>108323176cuck
>>1083399822022, when they had 11 instead of 15? No duh there's more stream time combined, but the average for most of the talents is down for 2025.
>>108340293I wasn't talking about lime you spazz, and that's literally what holo does except 2 months late
>>108340137>self proclaimed idolfags not knowing anything about idolsYou point had nothing to do with idols tho? You ostensibly just said:>If Person A spends more time working than Person B does, the thing(s) created by person A will inherently have more value than thing(s) created by Person BThat's just not how reality work A struggling actor who has to take on multiple gigs a year and moonlight as a waiter is not suddenly better than Leonardo DiCaprio, even if Leo only takes on 1 role a year
>>108340524Nigga what the fuck are you babbling about, they don't meet idol standards they don't do 90% of the idol work I am not interested in your babbling
>>108340479>2022, when they had 11No nigga, in practice it was more like 4 with half the branch being sick or depressed at the time>but the average for most of the talents is down for 2025.I can literally just look at the top 3 alone and tell you that's not true >https://x.com/Holo_Data/status/1874799730263531701Biboo is up by 140, Kiara is up by 69, Gigi is up by 351 You don't get to anyone who's hours went down until you get Mori at #4 who's down by 282 hours (which makes since considering she both had a Solove, was apart of the world, and wrote + recorded an entire album)But even her being down is undercut by Shiori and Raora being up by 95 hours and 56 hours respectively (and Raora could've easily finished 2025 higher if not for surgery)
>>108340603>Nigga what the fuck are you babbling aboutAre you slow? I'm literally explaining to you why your point....>The lowly idols have to grind it out by day at a day job and then run off to preform at night after doing some practicing on their days off, preforming 3-4 nights a week at shit places for small pittances of money...Is a retarded fallacy>they don't meet idol standards they don't do 90% of the idol workSays who? The lowly idol you invented in your head?
>>108340293NTA nor a indie watching cuck but holo does the same bro
>>108328358>has to word it in a way that shits on her coworkers while trying to uplift only herself>"woooooooow I thought I was doing completely SHIT in terms of hours streamed but I was actually 2nd best haha, not gonna outright say what that means for everyone else but I'll leave the implication there!!"why's she like this?
>>108340940>but holo does the same broYeah, that's my pointWhy is he calling preventing like it's not content literally everyone else does?
>>108340393>less varietyThe less variety gimmick makes zero when we've established it's quite literally the same shit Holo does >& streams overall?Don't most of these random indies you guys try to prop up over Holo not do shit other than stream? I sure as hell hope she streams more overall with that in mind
>>108339789
>>1083226758 hours x 5 days a week x 4 week a month x 3.25 month ~= 525. Thats 3 and quarter months of 40hr/week work. But thats not realistic for a streamer.If they streamed 3 hour a day for 4 days a week, that 12 hrs per week. X 4 week a month = 48 hr x 11 month = 528 hrs. Now for 1360 hours for Biboo, thats 5.67 (5 hr 40 mins) hours a day x 5 days x 4 week a month x 12 month = 1360 hrs. Or roughly 30 hrs a week work
>>108341301Come on, we know what Luna sounds like because we hear it every time she loses her shit.
>>108323985At least compared to Gura she at least keeps us updated, and she demonstrated some effort to continue streaming even in adverse conditions (traveling on random countries for helt)
It's pretty fucking dumb that these bitches complain about being overworked and yet they barely even stream a month's fulltime work amount in a year. You get paid shitloads more than what work you put in and have the gal to complain? Fucking lazy bitches
>>108322621just graduate the whores
>>108322560Biboos a loser...
Why did ERB even join if she doesn't plan on doing anything other than messaging the homos? Imagine streaming for a bit over 300 hours during your first year
All this fewer stream hours = lazy rrat starts dying once you remember that for some of these girls streaming is actually the smallest part of their workload. Remember they're also expected to participate in staff meetings, meet with sponsors, rehearsals, work on projects etc. to the point where they work more than the typical 40 hours a week.
>>108341596Gotta remember a good part of the userbase is mentally stuck on the level of a toddler, where anything they can't see just doesn't exist.
>>108341545Crazy how this hobby has been around for 5 years and there are still people who think you can force people you dislike to graduate. The people who graduate are ALWAYS the ones you like. The ones you hate stay there forever.
>>108341596not my problem, I only watch streams and so does most of their viewers
>>108341596It's just cope that they work so hard behind the scenes so that you can claim they aren't lazy. Somehow Biboo managed to stream 1000 hours more than quite many of them, at that point it's not some secret behind the scenes work and is just full on laziness. Like what secret projects and invisible background work Nerissa has done to make up for this 1000 hour deficit?
>>108341673>Somehow Biboo managed to stream 1000 hours more than quite many of them, at that point it's not some secret behind the scenes work and is just full on laziness.You're right to a degree but the mark 1000 both an outlier as >>108337011 shows and a bit arbitrary imo
This discourse is so confusing. SEAniggers are seething about hologirls doing minimal hours while they have to clean toilets 10 hours a day. Understandable. But if you are cleaning toilets 10 hours a day, you won't be able to watch a lot streams anyway. And if you can consistently watch Biboo's 8+ hour streams then you're clearly not working your ass off yourself, so stfu.
I like high-effort content and that can mean a lot of production work behind the scenes. There's clearly a place for both approaches
>>108341596dyrbi
>>108341875Then there's the gura approach - a lot of "production work" behind the scenes with 0 results to show for it.
>>108328358taking a break from being racist on /pol/
>>108341596It’s also same time a cope because for every person who works 40+ behind the scenes there’s a good shot there’s one not. Streaming isn’t a normal job and all that but suisei working a ton is quite obvious but saying someone like ayame or for en kronii or erb are doing 40+ yeah right
>>108340933The idol industry you fucking retard, the successful ones work even harder you have no idea what you are talking about.Don't compare these hobbyist to the people who are in the studio/dance practice from 8 am to past midnight to know how to do dozens of songs LIVE at a time while they spend 2 months to make a 3 minute pre recorded bit
>>108341905Keep in mind she did shit that didn't even get released. The girls don't exist in some perfect vacuum where they don't have to deal with things you don't see.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFm4LygIqM
>>108341905it's okay when holo does "homework" with nothing to show for it tho
>>108341932Bro that's just cope at this point. It's okay to just accept that she is lazy
>>108341945Was that song released on her channel? Link me
>>108341925>studio/dance practice from 8 am to past midnightIs that why idol shows look like amateur hour at a high school club? You are just as deluded as anons you are arguing with.
>>108341950That song counts into her results, everyone knows it exists. It's still fucking crumbs.
>>108341925>>108341932Anons don't bother. They want to sit in their own echo chambers and you're better off saving your breath.
>>108341964>mask offthanks for proving you aren't an idolfag
>>108341950So what else did she do?
>>108341945i just accept cover permanently burned her outhttps://files.catbox.moe/otbpik.mp4
>>108341652actually i've had a pretty good run. I didn't like coco and she left pretty quicklyi didn't like rushia and she disappearedi didn't like ao and she left pretty quicklyi didn't like kanata and she's gonethat's a pretty good hitrate considering I don't dislike that many of the girlsI did like shion though, and I initially didn't like aqua but came around on her a lot by the time she left. I didn't mind mel but I thought she could be a bit dull in collabs. I didn't mind sakamata. I haven't lost anyone I really like yet. So yeah, I've had a great time.
>>108341993Sounds more like she burned herself out.
>>108341984>mask was never onidolfags are the blight of vtubing, why would I pretend to be one?
>>108336561>Only numberfags think that.On the contrary, it seems like numberfags are the only people who defend the girls who don't stream as much but have higher CCV because that's all they care about
>>108341932Kronii's song was in limbo for a while too, debuted in the some concert toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTxcH54jhPk
>>108337011What what makes anyone on this list not an idol in your opinion?
>>108331929>My country is retardedOk, cool story bro?
>>108341984Wtf, are you somehow proud to be one? Even irl idols switch to Holo/vtubing now to run away from you faggots and your delusinns.
>>108342066spending 2 months to pre record 3 minutes isn't being an idol
>>108341993So much so she did it to herself againAll on her own this time
>>108342077i'm not one, i just laugh at people comparing vtubers to idols who actually work their ass off to perform
>>108342066>>108342080What is an idol in your opinion?
>>108339982>2022 when half the branch was legit dead and didn't have the excuse for being busy with recordings?Aren't the excuses the exact same? We still had Holofes and the EN concerts and 3D lives. Nothing has changed.
>>108342028>idolfags are the blight of vtubing
>>108342092
>>108342090>who actually work their ass offThe thing is - they don't. Their whole "charm" is half-assed choreos. While talking about how much they gambarimasu.
>>108342108>Korean for foreignersK-pop sis spotted
>>108342108Bet most don't even do half of that. It's just a story you tell people so they think you are working harder than you really are
>>108342130>all the BTS shit they release is staged
>>108342022>i didn't like kanatafaggot
>>108342126you think im going to spend my time writing an essay for you clowns instead of just getting a summary lmao
>>108342126Don't they have some of the highest suicide rates in the world. I'd prefer chuubas stay within the schedule that they're happy with
>>108342137No way, who would do that, right?
>>108342148Well, ask grok what's the difference between K-pop and JP idols now
>>108342137Probably?
At the end of the day, doing anything except sitting behind a L2D model and doing shit on your PC will require backend work. It's not rocket science
>>108342171@grok what is a manager
>>108342157>outsourcing your internet slapfights to AI vs. AIwe live in dark times
>>108342145i thought she was alright, but what bothered me was how badly she'd flounder under pressure. she was terrible at bantering, at saying something that moved a conversation forwards. every collab stream with kanata was a halting, awkward mess as far as the conversations went. I'm just glad I won't have to experience any more of those.
>>108342180At this level it's a source of work, genius. Having a manager means more meetings, more going over what you did and want to do, more coordination. It's worth it for the numbers, but it's definitely not taking any load off your plate.
>>108342180Anon, a few of the girls said they basically had to spend time training their managers, who'd be rotated out after 3 months anyways. Try again
>>108341925>who are in the studio/dance practice from 8 am to past midnight to know how to do dozens of songs LIVEDo you think Holos A. Don't spend fuck tons of time of doing rehearsals/learning?B. Aren't majority clamoring at the idea of being to do live shows? Like, your argument is so baffling and tourist-y You're trying to shit on Holos for not streaming BUT ALSO you're upset they don't burn enough time at the dance studio for your liking, despite the fact they do and that's primarily one of the reasons their free-time and ability to stream gets eaten upYou're trying to clown on them for not doing stuff live despite the fact that Sololives are coveted and desired event that most Holo want for, while having your head shoved so far up your own ass that you're ignoring the logistical issues posed by vtubers doing shows that make them far more expensive than an IRL idol gig Honestly stop replying, you're becoming more retarded and preachy with each subsequent post
>>108342186Ok, fair enough
>>108342183I mean, if sis posts AI shit without even bothering to read it, what's the point of further discusson?
>>108342213Or most of them are just lazy and don't do either, that's what I'm guessing
>>108342235>They're lying bro! ogey
>>108342246Well yeah, they are women lol
How are people watching streams 10 hours a day (supposedly) an bitching on /vt/ in their free time calling others lazy?
>>108322560Wow I had no idea they streamed this little. Are they really just that lazy? Surely clicking "Go Live" can't be that hard
>>108342213yeah they don't do that, and again they are only making a fucking song or 2 PRE RECORDED once or twice a year while actual idols know dozens of songs LIVE at a time
>>108342256>what is having an oshithe total hours happening in holo is irrelevant
>>108342256SEAdog mentality
Why would any significant portion of the western audience be interested in watching idol content of a supposedly english vtuber but that's singing in a completely different language? That's the whole reason why it's not as popular in EN, it's counter productive, not culturally popular, and if those people are interested in idol content they'd much rather watch proper JP idols or skip vtubers entirely and get into K-pop and J-pop. Idol content will never be popular in the western sphere, whereas streaming is already very popular, and you'd be a fool to not prioritize working in what's the most beneficial.
>>108342213"they would if they could" ass argument lmfao
>>108342286... and that's why, at the end of the day, HoloEN still absolutely dominates the EN vtuber sphere. Because they keep doing things no one wants.
>>108342321let us know when a holoEN gets 250k members and doesnt lose a cut
>>108328358Way to shit on your coworkers.
>>108342286Better they do J-pop than this shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBIA_ePWT0
>>108342365kpop was already disgusting enough, katseye should literally be nuked off the planet
>>108342269>yeah they don't do that, and again they are only making a fucking song or 2 PRE RECORDED once or twice a yearI like how you keep lowering >>108342080 the amount of work you actually think they do, making it glaringly obvious you have zero clue what the fuck you're on aboutKeeping pulling numbers out of your semen encrusted ass, you're a few post away from arguing they only record 1 song every 3 years or someshit lol >>108342292>"they would if they could"Well yes, do you actually have a rebuttal? If the opportunity to do live shows were more common like 4/5th of company would jump at the chance, they're not which is why Holos fight tooth and nail to get a sololive
>>108342398sora exists, they could do live if they were capable. next.
>>108342398Bro keeps simping and making up stuff to protect their lazy asses lmao
>Burnt Peanut>Hours streamed (365d)>2,508Well there you go anons, no need to watch lazy Hololive streamers or idolshit. You'll be much happier with your new oshi, I'm sure. Right?
>>108342405>sora existsBased newfag, the mini-lives Sora's able to do is almost entirety because her record label (Victor Entertainment) front-loads the cost
>>108322560I knew Ceci went to shit very fast but damn. Everything else isnt really a surprise to me here.
>>108342515why did cc go to shit anyway? did she give up on streaming? i dont really follow ens
>>108342321Yes, idol content generally doesn't bring in new fans or generate popularity for EN talents, but it still has a very important purpose in Hololive. It exists to milk money out of already established and returning fans, by selling expensive concerts and extra Idol merch to them. But again, I don't think it's very productive because because it takes a lot of time and you're able to do the same thing with regular merch instead.
>>108342544"brother"
>>108342358and rightfully so
>>108342564oh no
>>108342321The EN vtuber sphere is dominated by EN indies, which are way more popular than HoloEN as a whole.
>>108342544Feels like it, i remember her being slightly ahead of Gigi, Gigi often not streaming her perspective.
>>108328358You don't think op actually made this himself?
>>108342544Whatever corpo stuff they have her doing is leaving her constantly tired. Idol reps also increased the severity of her injuries. To top it off, perm autism is a creatividad’s kryptonite.
>>108334662I know how you feel because Nerissa is also mine...
>>108322560>another thread where the "Pebble" number fag puts down other Holo EN Letting cancer run around like this and removing the IP counter was a mistake.
>>108340393>>108340490There is nothing worse than a dumb nigga pretending to be smart.It's the other way around , What Holos play indies play , be it triple A or cheap simulator games or fotm , big or small indies stick to holo's schedule in both jp and en , the bigger difference usually is that indies play more gacha slop , I know because I'm subscribed to hundreds of channels and get notifications of what they are playing.But Hololive has something that indies don't and that's the endless supply of collab partners for kino shenanigans
>>108343493>big or small indies stick to holo's scheduleBased holoretard. How do indies stick to holo's schedule 1-2 months before they get their perms?
>>108343493retard
>>108342213>If they could, they totally would barely stream and spend all their time in the studio and at dance practiceYeah fucking right. They know for a fact that it would absolutely dumpster their viewership and memberships if they fucked off and barely streamed with constant exuses. Just look at Nerissa now, not able to sell out limiteds and crying about fans all the time. You're a brainless faggot.
>>108341301anemori is closer to her real voice and it's completely different from the voice she uses as luna.
>>108343335What is it with newfags thinking people care who a anonymous poster is. Fuck back off to whatever social media shithole you crawled out of.
>>108344446retard
>>108344446You are more transplant than you think. Keep on seething about successful vtubers and using wage cuck, whipped reasoning to make yourself feel better.
>>108339375>Just take the stupid Lesportsac collab that Ina and Kiara did. Who the fuck is that for?Cover, and only a few days ago the JP side had a Coca-Cola logo and special stage in their New Year's concert. You could tell that even the Hololive talents were a little shocked with how far they went with those advertisements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M_xfyJWekU>>108339964>there are fans that wish she sticked to her debut year resolution and dropped the side gigI am skeptical that is the reason for the situation in 2025 and much like the "health" breaks with Sana, Ina, and Gura in 2022 it feels like a lot of stuff is going on behind the scenes. They wouldn't give Sana a model redesign in 2022 and there was an organized damage control campaign for months after her graduation. Cover doesn't want fans to blame the company.
