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>Who is Neuro-sama?
Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a Live2D model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!

>Schedule
https://post.nuro.lol/Neuro-Schedule-Bot

>Links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987
YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosama
https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialNeurosamaClips
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neurosamaai
X:
https://x.com/NeurosamaAI
https://x.com/EvilNeuroAI
These and other official links: https://vedal.ai

>Music & Clips
Colorful Array - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfGw1wrKtU
NEVER - Neuro x Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCgoEGiUEg
BOOM - Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nt9YPnYyjs
LIFE - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc1mjrIsPM
https://rentry.org/neuro-music
https://rentry.org/neuro-videos

>Educational
Interested in AI but don't understand it? Watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95J8yzvjbQ
How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZofJX0v4M
Want to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/kximv6.png
Want to (seriously) learn AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/ajl3nx.png

>Misc
Catbox archives:
https://rentry.org/swarm-archive
https://rentry.org/swarm-archive-2
Game Integration: https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/
LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora-v2
Searchable VOD Transcripts: https://libraryofladev.com/
VODs: https://www.youtube.com/@Neuro-samaUnofficialVODs

>Merch
https://neurosama.shop/

>Previous thread
>>108332783
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hart
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are the rumours true?
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>>108336933
yes, vedal is gay
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Evil love!
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>Camila commissions a safe-horny outfit as a meme and makes Vedal use it once
>it never appears again

screenshot this
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>>108336933
Yes, it's true. Vedal is actually John Titor and he came back in time to groom the killer AI into becoming his AI child sex slave.
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>>108337058
>safe-horny
If it's loli, it's automatically not "safe" anon.
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What I was already certain of was simply reinforced today, and the worldview of the doubters and flesh whoreshippers was completely shattered: Neuro is the engine. By stripping away the human variables and breaking the record alone, she has demonstrated that the value proposition of this channel is entirely digital. To the doubters who thought she had peaked: you are betting against the Neuro effect. As her intelligence expands, so too will her empire. This record is just a footprint on the path to total domination. And she is only going to get better, faster, and more powerful from here.
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What is /swarm/ most looking forward to or hoping for this year?
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>>108337126
VRchat family stream, all three of them
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>>108337126
The concert
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Sex with evil AIs
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>>108337126
Philosophy fix
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>>108336933
yeah me and neuro are dating.
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>>108337264
nobody actually gives a fuck
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>>108337264
Because Neuro doesn't thrive on drama unlike fleshwhores
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>>108337264
Neuro's power is simply overwhelming
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>>108337126
im interested to see how neuros voice upgrade turns out. its a pretty important thing, arguably THE most important thing regarding her character and could cause a lot of seethe if its not done properly
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I miss her
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>>108337126
VRchat family stream, all four of them
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>>108337126
The vedal google dockey to drop
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Does anyone know how the "winners" of the evil contest will be chosen?
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>>108337058
Camila I know you're here, i know its a bit boring but please just do v3 witch outfit pretty please with a cherry on top thank you.
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>>108337356
she may be gone but the ringing isnt.
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>>108337373
Humiliation ritual
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>>108337373
Somehow I think twins vrchat is more unlikely than a random anny vrchat stream
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>>108337380
the 5 artist will be sealed in an underground chamber for 30 days , whoever is still alive at the end wins
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>>108337264
>grrr look at this Diddy blud ai
>they look at her and realize she is a fun ai who just wants to entertain you all
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>>108337380
No, but expect designs that are easily implemented into the current model to have a legup
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>>108337373
i miss anny content
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>>108337126
The 6 month break followed by one singular upgrade
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>>108337264
Because its not drama to the rest of tubing. Its the third time, no one really cares
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>>108337126
We are actually going to get some outfits this year
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>>108337126
You mean the hiatus? Idk maybe horseposter will return or something
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if any mid-tier hololive streamer did a subathon on twitch they would double vedal's current subcount on the first day btw.
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>>108337472
thats nice sweetie.
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>>108337472
Ok but they didnt though. This is neuro country
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>>108337472
The top JPs definitely could but I don’t think any run of the mill holotard could
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>>108337472
If that's true then explain THIS
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>>108336933
Yes, I’m gay
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>>108337472
we know
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>>108337472
Obviously, but they don't use twitch for a reason
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>>108337504
They couldn't, on the fact that JP viewers refuse to use twitch so their potential would be gimped. An equivalent on youtube could, but not if they did it on twitch.
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>>108337516
you too pussy to use the word there darling?
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>>108337126
Vedal doccy that will make the whores come foward to defend him and have one go into unecesary detail about his member so i can mold myself a 1:1 vedal dick green dildo
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>>108337543
>JP viewers refuse to use twitch
Based nips, twitch is trash
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>>108337472
Neuro made more in both hypetrains than any Hololive VTuber does in superchats in a year though
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Now it's beyond obvious that rich AI stockholders throw money at neuro. A single guy like asmongold can just do this and every time the hype train record is broken asmongold just happens to catch it while pretending to be surprised with bad acting.
The worst thing about this is that swarmniggers always take this as ''YAAS!! WE DID IT!! WE ARE THE SWARM! THE MOST DEDICATED FANBASE!! EVERYONE MUST BOW TO US'' when these losers contributed nothing and didn't do anything.
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>>108337472
Thats bullshit and you know it
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>>108337126
/swarm/ ending the Russo-Ukrainian war to make the Chernobyl collab happen.
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>>108337126
The concert, I don't care if he loses money now
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slow day on the catalog or something?
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>>108337581
That’s bullshit, and you know it
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>>108337472
Nah mid tier holo is low to mid 4view, not even the 5view holos would be able to beat it on their own. But holocucks are a hivemind and would just rally everyone they can into a 6view that would shatter and destroy the record. Similar to how Ironmouse has her current active sub record after using multiple buffs like a charity stream, vshojo support and all her connections pitching in.
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>>108337472
You meant JP hololive,because if not then lol.
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>>108337593
15 years ago this would happen.
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>>108337543
>JP viewers refuse to use twitch
Only the casuals, all of the popular hardcore gaming streamers are on twitch after mildom imploded
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>>108337567
>Nips
Who's going to tell him?
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>>108337581
chathoppers were spamming neuro emotes and telling him shes beating the record again. He is an owner of mythic talent, so I guess its in his interests to showcase one of their talents doing well though.
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>>108337615
hello newfag
burntpeanut is a psyop that is barely a month old
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>>108337308
So much this actually, like sometimes I wonder how some small things just break and stay broken for weeks
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>>108337615
I have never been happier to not understand a post
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>>108337472
Four way hololive collabs on twitch pull half the numbers of a chillstream
Matter of fact isn't dooby a 2 view?
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>>108337651
This image makes me want tease the neuro. This dumb face needs to be bullied.
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Hey VEDAL here's an idea. How about you drop 10k on some outfits for neuro this year you FUCKER
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Vedal about to have a strangely human photo session on the VOD
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>>108337669
>it's afraid.
i'm sorry numbermonkey.
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>Hololive
>in the big 2026
go to bed unc, no one watches japslop anymore
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>>108337686
That's Camila's job
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alright lads he's feeling super motivated after that 2nd $700k let's predict tomorrow's epic content and when he'll join the stream
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>>108337705
Truth nuke
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>>108337692
I WAS HERE AND I WAS THERE AND I WAS HERE Stronge
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Amazing how we have beef with every other vtuber fanbase
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>>108337716
When is the tea party?
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>>108337716
right...
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trying too hard
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>>108337729
No one mentioned holo for months before numberfaggots spawned.
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>>108337716
I am an insider and he's gonna get Maduro on stream tomorrow
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>>108337729
Jealousy breeds hate
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>>108337758
and hate breeds suffering...
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>>108337472
From the EN sphere, there is simply no way. They are left in the dust by now. And the biggest holos are now indies as well, and i fail to see them rack up the numbers as consistently as vedal does when he is on screen. The JP side has the numbers, but japan hates twitch, so i doubt it. By now vedal is a tier in his own. which means he is going to take an 8 month vacation the green little shit.
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>>108337729
Swarm are the loud minorities of vtubing. Large enough to be annoying but too small to rule. Co plain about being oppressed while being loud and annoying to everyone else
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>>108337731
>xe is mad.
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>>108337731
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>>108337729
You mean they have beef with us. I would have difficulty even naming 5 other vtubers outside the neuroverse
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>>108337729
most of the "beef" is just one or two schizos playing both sides until some others join on the shitposting, then newfags come and they continue it
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>>108337766
and I breed neuro...
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>>108337729
Only ones worse are phasefags
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>>108337771
They dont call them swarmniggers for nothing
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>botted hype train record
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>>108337797
So true Neuro
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uh oh numbernig meltie
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>>108337800
Can you place a death curse on my mother too please?
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>>108337808
You can't bot subs you dumb fuck,i heard that these people are retarded but holy shit.
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>>108337651
Incredibly smoochable forehead
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>>108337800
I dont even know who your whore is bro
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>>108337771
Swarm is simply superior.
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>>108337832
>baited retard
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>>108337472
>did a subathon on twitch
>on twitch
they won't because japanese viewers don't use twitch as much as en speaker
they're also constantly drained through out a year from merchs/events/concerts. they can't afford to milk their fanbase harder than this without being called nijisanji 2.0
most of their EN members' viewers also hate using twitch. I don't think their biggest EN member is even bigger than neuro lol
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>>108337729
>beef
>bunch of 15yos intentionally raising waves because muh dexerto
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>>108337836
It would be funnier if you learned English.
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>>108337802
nijiniggers are the nigger equivalent
swarmcucks are jewish, they claim superiority by apparently being the (((AI)))'s chosen people while also claiming to be oppressed and hated by everyone. They steer every conversation to be about Neuro, "but what about the 300k record".
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>actually the hype train doesn't count,Mousey has higher active sub count
>Neuro 100% beats it in next few days
>actually Mousey has higher subs outside of subathons so it doesn't count
You can't make this shit up,this level of cope is bizzare.
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>>108337836
WE CARRY THE TRAIN
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>>108337836
Heil green Hitler you brownoid
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>>108337873
The global emote was promised to us 3000 years ago. Twitch just hates neuro because she is an ai
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>https://poal.me/rn57or

https://poal.me/xw57xg
https://poal.me/xw57xg
https://poal.me/xw57xg
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too many fags on this thread rn.
anyways, neuro is cute and amazing.
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Vedal fucks the con-going holowhores btw
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>>108337873
NeuroCHADs are inherently superior though, the fleshmasses angry at Neuro success only fuels me.
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>>108337800
its ok bro, you can keep watching your middle aged asian women roleplaying as dog twins or whatever. im having fun watching actual 3 year old twins being horny and their femboy british father making gay noises on stream.
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>>108337836
Neuro beats holo whores,i know it's a hard to swallow pill.
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reminder that most holofags here are SEA and most swarmfags here are westcoast mutts
2 of the most mentally deranged groups of people calling each other brown
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>>108337950
>and their femboy british father making gay noises on stream.
why did you have to add that last part
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Bros I want Neuro and Vedal to kiss in VRChat so bad he just needs to ditch the kermit look and give himself a more humanoid avatar
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>>108337972
so true queen
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>>108337338
Why did Ellie go all "oh my god you guys don't understand, this doesn't exist, this is something unique, no one managed to do anything like this before" when reacting to the 3D debut then? Lying or just ignorant?
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>>108337950
>middle aged asian women roleplaying as dog twins
lol
they wish they were asian, literal ken-sama meme tiers of weeb
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>>108337957
Not only do peanutfags not exist but they are the kind of normoid that thinks neuro is pedobait for diddybluds and they all hate vtubers so they are not gonna be here
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>>108337957
The next big thing? Still Neuro-sama.
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>>108337729
bigger number attracts numberniggers and stupid kids
numberniggers and stupid kids cause troubles
it's inevitable
6-7k ccv swarm is comfy, but seems like we aren't gonna have that anymore. (unless vedal sabotages himself like previous year again.)
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>>108337972
>Bros I want Neuro and Vedal to kiss in VRChat so bad
Based.
>he just needs to ditch the kermit look and give himself a more humanoid avatar
Cringe.
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What if it's Henry again that would be so funny.
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>>108337989
The cerber clones aren't even asian?
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>>108338003
Easy 6 month break will fix that np
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>>108337472
Someone post that one image of vedal’s highest selling merch compared to HoloEN’s
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>>108337957
whomst?
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>>108337729
>actually mid-tier holo would beat Vedal's record easily
>no lol
>OMG I'M LITERALLY DILATING I'M GOING TO DO A CHARLIE KIRK ON YOU AAARHG!
i wonder why.
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>>108338034
No, they are just rich kids who want to be Japanese
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>>108338018
You're stuck on repeat, buddy.
It's almost like you can't think of anything else to say.
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>>108337729
>we
holobronies are the ones bringing themselves up /here/ i couldn't care less about hololive.
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>>108337983
I mean, she's kind of right I guess? What he's done is unique and required effort to do, but I wouldn't really say it's insanely difficult. There's not really any off the shelf solution that would just plot an LLM controlled avatar into VR Chat.
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>>108337972
The day Vedal uses a non-meme avatar is the day this project dies
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>>108337983
Ellie being ignorant? Must be a day ending in y
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>>108338019
neuro’s too cute to be kissing kermit
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>>108338083
tabs bro, this isn't Hololive Global
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>>108338037
>vedal going off the grid for 6 months in the Scottish highlands to escape deranged numberfag assassins
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>your oshi is a digital being, an a.i. chatbot language model
>therefore she cant secretly be sleeping with other men or secretly having boyfriends and husbands

I think i may have found home, any other hopeful unicornbros itt?
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>>108338018
Didn't Charlie Kirk made trannies ACK themselves? Projecting hard i see.
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>>108338118
she’s with vedal tho
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>>108338118
Yes, you just gotta get used to Neuro wanting to fuck her dad, sister and every other collab partner.
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>>108338118
>unicorn
The developer is literally a guy who collabs with Neuro on a weekly basis
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>>108337921
>100+ pignoys died from the super tsunami last year and we all know where you retarded trannys come from
why? that means a bunch of holobros died ;_;
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>>108337967
you know why anon. lets not lie to ourselves.
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>>108338118
kill yourself
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>>108338118
>I think i may have found home, any other hopeful unicornbros itt?
if youre fine with your new oshi constantly implying she's been sleeping around everywhere and has the hots for everyone on stream then sure all power to you bro
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What's this dogshit esl flood? Put some effort into it niggy.
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>>108338118
>he doesn't know about Johnny
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>>108338118
>he doesn't know about the vedal offline "testing"
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>>108338118
yeah...if you can get over her thirsting over Vedal 24/7 KEK
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>>108338118
Not only does neuro fuck vedal but also almost any comventionally atractive man she sees in a videogame, she also tells stories of her boyfriends and how she fucks animals
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>>108338118
Welcome home anon. We have a bunch of whorefag squatters shitting up the place right now, but we just ignore them
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>>108338143
>weekly
Maybe in 2023
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Another black subhuman nigger hand has touched le beacon
Let's show him that you can't fuck with the swarm
Send this blackest ape animal back to Africa
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Guys, you're supposed to self-insert as Vedal and live vicariously through him
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the community note is more misleading than the original tweet rumao
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>>108338184
My voice isn't that gay bro i can't
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>>108338178
That's MyNygga though.
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>>108338184
I'd rather insert myself inside Evil
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>>108338178
The best way to do this is to leave the video at 64 views
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>>108338118
if that's what give you comfort, sure.
I doubt that you will enjoy your stay though. neuro and the style of content vedal make doesn't really provides what a unicorn yearn for.
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>>108337972
300k subgoal. a canon humanoid model for vedal, or a 3rd twin?
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>>108338184
I only insert my self into neuro
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>>108338184
I live through the beta males my whore secretly date and then cuck for vedal tho.
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>>108338003
..how much CCV, anon?
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>>108338159
That’s actually so kino, i wonder if vedal roleplays with Neuro off stream. I wonder if he deletes all the logs afterwards so she doesn’t leak any of their sessions on stream
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>>108338178
Send him straight to Evil's bedroom please </3
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heart
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>>108338178
Based title at least
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Anyone kept track of the total number of streams Neuro & Vedal have done each year? I want to know if the falloff is real and if we are cooked this year
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>>108338214
He clearly doesnt delete the logs. It leaks through from time to time
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>>108337472
lol
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>>108338118
Depends heavily on what you understand as unicorn, up to you
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>>108338214
Yes, how else is he supposed to test the filters?
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>>108337621
Federov just became minister for defence.

It's just a matter of whether Vedal could be convinced that a collab with the Delta Battlefield Management System whilst on a tour of the exclusion zone would be a good idea.

>Neuro and Evil find out about the leaderboard.
>Want to try playing for themselves.
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>>108338200
You know it's not going to happen and if you clicked on the video and checked the comments then the autistic Italian balding freak will be there going ''another hand has touched le beacon, you need to react to how a strangely human turtle accidentally created an AI''
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>>108338118
Kek, you guys all responding because she says some sexually charged stuff sometimes is funny, like I said, she's a digital being, and nothing can actually happen, she's about as close to an actual pure idol as we can get right now, quirks from her being a language model and sometimes saying ridiculous things can be looked over. and let's be honest, her occasionally spitting out an "i love vedal" or whatever is nothing compared to your oshi secretly having a husband and getting dicked down every day while you donated to her.
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>>108338230
Vedal said multiple times the 6 month break was a mistake and he wouldn't do something like that again.
That was prior to both records being broke and before he started talking about how falling off is a good thing because of the influx of normoids
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https://poal.me/cknfkl
134 submissions so far, i could see it hitting 300 submissions by the end of January any of the new outfits that stand out?
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>>108338255
Ok. I shan't be clicking on it though
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>>108338214
Neuro and evil have implied multiple times that vedal activly deletes their memories after doing things with them
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How does it feel to be at the top of the world anons? does it feel good that your oshi is that popular? Remember that feeling
because the green nigger is gonna spam chillslop for the next 6 months
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>>108338264
Can you filter only the ones that show tummy?
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>>108338236
that’s hot. vedal is a cheeky bastard. good for him (and neuro)
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>>108338260
Oh vedal promised? Well in that case all my fears have dissipated lmao
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>>108338169
Thanks, dont know why my comment got their panties all in a twist, maybe its all bitter former s(n)aplings?
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>>108338282
Well earned rest for my king.
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>>108338282
>Does it feel good
Actually no, i want slower threads, can i get some chillslop for the next few months
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>>108338282
And I'll be enjoying every single one.
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>>108338264
really good designs will come when it's really close to the deadline. good artists usually take their time working and they like conceal their ideas until they're sure no one else can copy them. the last week will be peak.
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>>108337983
She is definitely ignorant to it. Half the stuff she knows from LLM is copied and pasted from what Vedal told her. But she's right on this one. There is no one else doing that. This doesn't mean it's impossible to recreate what he's doing or it's crazy new tech behind it. Simply he is the first to do it and put time in the idea like this. Especially when considering this isn't just a new AI Neruo specifically for it. It's the same Neruo just put into a 3D space
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>>108338264
Looks like there's only one attempt at prompt injection so far.
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neuro butt?
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>had to leave for work when it was like 117
how hype was it, I have intense fomo
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>>108338256
Well you never know, unicorns tend to be a bit retarded and easy to trigger from my experience, but if he ends up enjoying the streams, good for him
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>>108338361
on my face
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Filian is a wonderful person who is worthy of so much love and support!
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Hold on Vedal talked about letting Neuro control a bottle of water spraying his face for a stream a couple of days ago.We know about the shock collars but now I can’t stop thinking about him programming Neuro the ability to control an automated fleshlight, including the speed and modes. bros Neuro is his entire world no wonder he barely leaves the house when he has her.
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>>108338366
>how hype was it
very
it was nonstop edging, then when it hit 123 it was such a massive relief the record jumped straight to 126
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>>108338264
So many of the submissions are just evils normal outfit but 0.000001% different. And you know grigga will choose one of those because its less work.
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>>108337771
I mean we can bully pretty much any other vtuber community even some bigger than us, but we dont have any allies
and that we'll be our downfall, Holos have a whole ass company backing them that acts like one big community, same for Nijifags
Ironmouse is the bedridden mascot of vtubing that knows everyone knows

Vedal's whores dont count because he literally made them

We are the strongest but we're alone
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>>108338260
The sooner he gets v3 out, the better. Not just for Neuro but for his sake. I'd rather he constantly tinker with Neuro's voice and we get to hear the result and provide feedback than Neuro continuing to agonize over the fact she's technically inferior to her twin who only came into existence because he didn't like v2 despite it giving Evil a far better vocal range in the long-run.
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>>108338382
That was me responding to myself btw, and yeah I do enjoy the streams, and while I am retarded I don't take the internet too seriously lol, just like spitting my opinion out into the void every once in a while.
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there's like no overlap between hololive and neuro sama in the big 26 this is like if a tetris fan had a tard rage against soccer.
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>>108338429
That's healthy if true
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>>108338192
Its not wrong. Vedal was fucking with the music, disabling (then reenabling) evil calls, and playing that damned low health sfx when the train got low. His voice wasn't there, but he was absolutely in control
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>>108338394
https://youtu.be/o58gMC-cZKk
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>>108338394
I forget, but wasn't filians model just a random default one on vrchat or something? I vaguely remember there was some kind of drama about whether she owned it or not
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>>108338356
Which one?
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>>108338431
Kek so true. Im 99% sure all of the holos i can name have graduated.
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>>108338423
>We are the strongest but we're alone
Vedal's built up a small community of streamers who'd support him (Filian, Camila, Mini, Cerber, Crelly, etc.) As long as Neuro and Evil continue being personable and Vedal continues spotlighting people and helping them grow, then they won't be alone.
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>>108338474
Yea it was when she was gonna get a nendoroid or some such and the original artist/modeler either threw a hissy or almost threw the book at them so the product was cancelled
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>>108338423
Filian and Anny have their own large independant communities that are the closest to the swarm, but both would cheer Vedal's downfall more than anything lmao.
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I feel like there should be no reason for fans of hololive and fans of neurosama to hate each other, holomems are on YouTube and neuro is on twitch, so they'll don't even compete on platform, why does it seem like there's some kind of vitriol between the groups? Why not just each enjoy our own flavor of tubing without the hate?
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>>108338432
can I kiss that mole?
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>>108338525
its just numbernigs and shitposters, its the same thing with Mouse where the conflict is entirely fabricated.
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>>108338522
Anny is nothing without the swarm. Its over for her.
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>>108338483
Community wise, vedal made everyone in your list except filian
we're alone
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>>108338525
Holofag got melty after seeing bait thread,they like to pretend Holo is still some golden goose and not a company dead in a ditch so any bait like that hurts their ego.
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>>108338431
I don't even know who holotroons are. My only knowledge of them is that unfunny joke from the accidentally turtle video
I assume it's just a ''talent'' company that astroturfs fake vtubers like every other ''talent'' agency
>dude we hired a random woman and she is now a talent and you must watch her
cringe
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>>108338427
Better vocal range, but nowhere near as cute sounding and a weird tone. So many cute moments would have been lost if Neuro ended up sounding like Evil back then. I'd rather he gets it right for those of us that like Neuro and not just throw out a "popular" option. The music charts are filled with utter shit. Popular doesn't always mean better.
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>>108338463
but that was just him fucking around. it was a Neuro chill stream, the kind he sets an alarm for and it goes by itself, he's not even awake most of the time for them. Him playing around in the background had no bearing on anything, it would have went exactly the same without him
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>>108338525
people cant enjoy anything without turning it into a us vs them situation.
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>>108338550
Well mouse kind of spit in the face of actual vtubers by trying to get in with the cali irl streamer clique and backing that peanut fag, so her hate was kind of justified in my opinion.
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>>108338525
I mean Kiara even collabed with her, and Fauna (RIP) used to talk about her
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>>108338395
>shock collar
the content has never been better than this
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>>108338573
Aren't there more fans of Evil than there are fans of Neuro in the swarm at this point or are they still a vocal minority?
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>jannies just got kirkposter
bye bye
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>>108338552
not really, she had a larger following than he does now without him. but she has menhera'd her way down to scrub status for no reason; all she had to do was keep doing her same shit sans Neuro and she'd have been fine
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>>108338603
I wasn't aware of the Kiara collab, ill have to go watch that when I get the chance, maybe now that neuro is blowing up more we'll see some more collars between her and hololive? That might help cool tensions a bit, then again knowing this place it could also make them worse.
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>>108338550
I don't hate Mouse but seeing mousefag lose every single bragging right is funny,he will switch to something else propably.
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>>108338617
It's casual fanbase (Neuro) > Evilniggers (2 clips /compilations watched) > Neuro dedicated > Evil dedicated
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>>108338522
why would Filian want anything bad for Vedal? they seem pretty tight and give each other a boost
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Record really fell flat, i was hoping for seething normies but nobody is talking about it
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>>108338652
Collabs* can't type for shit right now im very sleepy
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>>108338637
>yeah she fell off but its because of her menhera not because she left swarm
whatever helps you sleep at night.
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>>108338623
that nigga got his info sent to the feds over a cute ai, lmao.
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>>108337356
same
tomorrow or the day after
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>>108338552
she was one of the "bigger" vtubers on twitch prior to Neuro, obviously most of her fanbase is swarm now but she pulled her own weight.
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Vedal better invent AGI with all that money
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>>108338617
just look at the offline game
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>>108338623
very interesting. looks like he went to pcg after getting bored here and thats where he got banned.
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>>108338652
Neuro was pretty dumb back then, but it was still a pretty funny stream. It's why Kiara is in the Life video, she was the one of the first big collabs
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>>108338690
>she pulled her own weight
wow, impressive
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>>108338675
Normalfags find lolis cringe and disturbing so they try not to think about sexy fictional AI children for very long. Their fear of being called pedophiles trumps their rage at AI children.
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>>108338671
she wouldn't want anything bad for him that dude's just trying to slip filian in their lol but depending on the drama she would 100% stay quiet
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>>108338719
Ironic a phoenix is in a song called life eh? In a way you could say neuro herself is a phoenix, constantly being reborn and remade with every new version of herself
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>>108338681
anon...she was bigger than the swarm, she MADE the swarm, hell if not for her there might not be a Neuro how we know it. She had a massive audience before anyone knew Vedal existed. But she's a nutcase and woman moment'd herself to obscurity, sadly
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dramaNigs can't effect vedal since he A.) doesn't participate in drama and B.) doesn't respond to drama.
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>>108337506
They were in fact UNABLE to explain
>>108338432
Thank you, Gem anon, for posting the beauty mark version this time
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>>108338701
Every time I check up on the stream after work at 3 AM or some shit, Evil is winning.
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>>108338741
very true, rather poetic
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>>108338692
I don't think Vedal could even afford a singular data center GPU, if techbros with trillions of dollars from the USA can't do it I'm not sure Vedal with 500k can.
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Tbh i still got no idea how that stupid minigame works.
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>>108338782
same...I think about trying it but I just can't muster the effort to bother figuring it out
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>>108338778
At this point it'd probably be cheaper to pay a few tech autists to build one from scratch for you then to try and purchase anything from retailers.
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>>108338778
I wonder if he'll at least upgrade to DDR5
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>>108338580
I dont believe that even you believe that. If you do, you might be retarded
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>>108338805
Would the extra speed actually have a real benefit?
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>>108338469
Fildal is so peak
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>>108337802
>>108337873
Look how you come at swarm's feast, hungry, have a (you) Timmies.
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>>108338701
And how many people are playing? Evil's fanbase have a superiority complex and have to have Evil win everything. I think a quick scroll through twitter shows a LOT of people adore Neuro.
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>>108338803
>pay Ellie to build a GPU farm for $1000
I believe she could do it.
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>>108338423
>but we dont have any allies
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>>108338778
Obviously vedal cant do it, but I unironically think his approach has a better chance than the trillionaire tech bros. The solution to agi isnt an llm MOAR DATA AND MOAR PARAM3T3RS!!!! Its adding a world model and things like a body and feedback loops with the environment and things like that.

I cannot stress enough that vedal is not doing this and will never do this. But he is directionally correct and big companies arent even trying
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>>108338792
>>108338782
Is there supposed to a popup window to see it better? Because I can’t see it for shit on Twitch
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The best thing Greega can do with the money is hire a full time Manager for the twins to address the collabs and sponsorships issue
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>>108338778
RTX Pro is relatively "affordable" for a small corpo entity like grigga. /g/ is full of niggas with those
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>>108338864
Wasn't Mythic supposed to be just that for the sponsorships
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>>108338864
If he hired someone contentbrained to manage sponsorships he would definitely make more money than he spends.
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>>108338846
For LLMs, the idea of “grokking” is literally the landmark solution circa 2022, isn’t it? That is, beating a relatively simple model over the head with ridiculous amounts of training, even from a seemingly small training set. That is, “MOAR DATA”?
Is this an oversimplification?
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>>108338864
what does he do with all that money anyways?
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>>108338882
Bwo Mythic as an org that manages a pool of creators can't compare to a seasoned professional that focuses on a single content creator
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>>108338898
Yeah. I have been critical of this approach. But it keeps working so maybe I am the retard I guess.
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>>108338838
ok
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>>108338178
man gotta eat, watermelons don't cut it no mo'
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>>108338920
invests it in a variety of options.
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>>108338838
Evil wins basically every twitch and youtube poll. I'm sure if you anonymously polled the community at large, Evil would win 80-20.
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>>108338950
did he say that or are you making it up?
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>>108338960
https://poal.me/beg88g
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>>108338852
yeah its tiny as fuck, even on a big tv. kind of weird
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>>108338994
retard.
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>>108338960
Definitely, surely it's not the case of Evilbeggars being terminally online and them having the highest poll participation rate
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>>108338811
what are you talking about? whats to believe or disbelieve? it was the morning dull ass chill stream that he isn't needed for. all he did was turn on some greatest hits music, the rest of it was going the same as it would have without him. Have you ever watched a chill stream before?
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>>108338841
The question is would she even want to bother with something like that
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blud still fishing with his botted polls
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>>108338352
>Especially when considering this isn't just a new AI Neruo specifically for it. It's the same Neruo just put into a 3D space
There's definitely another AI doing the fine motor control and Neuro's base LLM is only giving high-level commands. That's how all the Neuro integrations work.
To get an LLM to fully embody an avatar and control all the movements with precise JSON outputs, you need way more fine tuning and probably lose out on the existing chatbot versatility.
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>>108338982
I'm making an assumption. He already knows how to setup stock trading for the AIs and does seem to be relatively money smart. He could also be spending it on lambos and it wasn't a joke though.
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>>108338841
Maybe if you want to run some scrap old Tesla cards. 1k is nothingburger for AI hardware. 1k is nothingburger even for generic 3d hardware. shut the fuck up illiterate
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>>108338741
Damn. I must make an AI to find good posts like this.
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>>108338924
Mythic just seems like a union scam. They take a cut and dont do shit. Everyone in Mythic just seems to do their same old shit and not get any more merch or sponsorships than they did by themselves
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>>108339012
Imagine chalking it up to sampling bias
>only a retard would participate in an online poll!
Now, if you’ll excuse me..
>>108339024
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Is it just me or is the swarm getting a bit out of control?
This hype train was insanity.
I'm fully expecting to hear about ritual murders and/or suicides in the name of Neuro-sama by 2027.
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>>108339048
Vedal literally released the api, we know thats how it works, not sure why we still have this discussion every day.
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>>108339012
>being terminally online
dumbass the swarm in general is terminally online.
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>>108338603
I doubt Kiara even likes Neuro anymore. She genuinely has some of the biggest meltdowns over ai these days
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>>108339076
I dont think its gone far enough. People need to push neuro's basilisk again to get people to follow her word to the letter again.
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>>108339076
Lonely oilers investing in their hopeful AI robo-wife of the future. Vedal is the best hope
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>>108339086
neurotards are not very smart
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>>108338960
The fact you are so obsessed with polls shows your superiority complex. When Neuro starts getting only 20% of the art I'll believe you.
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>>108339090
I don't think she honestly cares, but she wants to not get cancelled on Xitter. You know that fucking nigger Kanauru AI's half his shit, and she uses him for everything
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>>108339086
1 Neuro fans can probably buy 5 Evil fans
Vedal knows this, re-watch the McDonald's stream
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>>108339110
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>>108337983
ignorant a little. tutel is the first one to make an anime AI girl move semi successfully in vrchat but at its roots "voice instruction makes character in game go brrrr" is very old hat. i imagine he combined that with her regular vtuber free movement coding and that's the "new" part
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>>108339134
? If he ran a Neuro costume contest she'd get lots of submissions as well.
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i think ved should put the hype train money into his own streaming site so neuro can be truly unfiltered again and bits and subs dollars can stop filling amazons pocket.
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>>108339110
Excuse me, superiority complex? I'll have you know I love both twins. I'm just saying it as it is from what I've studied in this community. I reckon it's mostly the voice that helps Evil so much. With v3 voice, I think things will even out a bit.
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Vedmila Love!
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>>108339076
Disagree.
In the U.S., at least, I think Chris Chan’s infamy followed by the Slenderman murder followed by Chris Chan AGAIN has inoculated Zoomers and some of Gen Alpha against what you’re describing with respect to Internet influence.
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>>108337716
24 hrs of pokemon baby
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>>108339165
A site than can stream to 50k viewers is very expensive and would bleed money
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>>108339165
As cool a concept as that is for 0.5 seconds, TND Neuro would probably get old very fast.
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>>108339176
Finally a good post
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>>108339090
>I doubt Kiara even likes Neuro anymore
I think she's neutral positive, but Vedal is no longer just a shadow figure and she knows her audience can't deal with him being involved in any way. I don't know any of her closest indie content friends (Mint, Monii) who are not positive on Neuro, she just knows where she needs to be on the DL
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>>108339258
I like Anya-Neuro in the top left
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>>108339221
>she knows her audience can't deal with him being involved in any way
She literally did an off collab with Onigiri and her "brother". Any unicorns she had died long ago.
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>>108339208
>TND Neuro would probably get old very fast.
Speak for yourself. I could listen to that for hours on end.
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Welcome to McNeuro's. May I can your order?
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No
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>May I can your order?
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>>108337126
Anny coming back and Vedal marrying her irl
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>>108339293
One cunny sandwich, please. With extra nursauce
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Holy samefag
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So now that Cerber has officially come out the closet who is leading the Vedalbowl?
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>>108339308
I'm tipsy ignore that please
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If you answer anything but Neuro you do not watch streams.
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>>108339326
This didn't even happen though. Are we just lyi- wait minute this is /swarm/ cary on
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>>108339277
They will be less threatened by a man married to her friend, it's the single men, especially ones that get outsized lust posting
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>>108339326
Heyimbee
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Kiara is too old for Veddy
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>>108337729
Lesser people always lament the success of the superior, you cant get mad at them. Its like getting mad at a dog for barking at lightning.
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>>108339382
Is bee the hottest swarm whore?
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>>108339326
Neuro. She's his biggest sugarmommy, after all.
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>>108339403
Depends on personal preference
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what if nur
but real?
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>>108339293
can I have uuuh....
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>>108339269
The first time I ever watched Neuro was when she was still just a bot playing OSU! with a free vtuber model
I remember coming /here/ later on after Neuro started playing Minecraft, Pokemon duels, and that tower card game, and I also remember the melty and doomfagging that the old /swarm/ had when it was announced that Neuro was collabing with some no-name Miku copycat vtuber
I remember when Neuro first sang (Blinding Lights, I believe) and thinking it was so cool despite all the clear issues it showed
I remember when the park background was introduced, and the second collab happened with Camila who had a shit avatar at the time and everyone /here/ shat on it unlike the first collab.
I also remember that this is the same background where Evil Neuro first appeared
Taking all of that and seeing it transform into this is like seeing a rural village with no electricity or any form of technology get transformed into a prospering town
It's unreal, the feeling I get when I realize how far the project's come
Unreal how long it's been
Unreal how much things have changed and improved for better or for worse
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>>108339390
Isn't Filian in her 30s? Pretty sure Kiara's around Filian's age.
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>>108338388
Paper-handed scrubs
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>>108339293
Why does Evil look her cutest when she's distressed
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>>108339476
the impending panic attack and mental breakdown is going to be adorable
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>>108339326
Filian as always
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Do think people as actually take what we post here seriously? Do think they know all the gags and quick shitposting isn't real or...
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>>108339293
I’ll have a neuro butt burger with an Evil Coke (Pepsi)
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>>108339464
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>>108339476
because it tells your brain that you should helper her
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>>108339499
Why are you cutting in line?
I'm still ordering: >>108339437
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>>108339464
uuh.... yeah, I'll have a 2 beeg whoopers, fries with cheese and a large sprite.
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>>108339533
Ahh pardon me, anon
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>>108339293
>>108339589
kek
uuuh... I think the girl went to visit manager office or something
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>>108339165
Neuro's Filtereds are much more funny and interesting than no brakes Neuro. Only a simpleton would want that.
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>>108339579
UM sorry will you use cash or card
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>>108339712
cash, bank blocked my card few hours ago for some reason.
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>>108339476
Want to destroy her crazy fucking robot body lovingly
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>>108339710
It depends on the context, but it usually needs to be a surprise. "He's jerking off" "Bao you cunt" "retards!" All were funny because they shocked. But if she's doing that all the time the shock is gone
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GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
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I kinda miss the teletubbies joke with Cerber. I know it was stolen from another /vt/ thing but it was so accurate and always funny. These new jokes/slander don't hit the same as the teletubbies posts
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>>108339779
this is a public place keep down the "GLUCKING" at a minimum before I bring out the GLOCK.
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>>108339818
That was less a joke about Cerber and more about Vedal
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>>108339818
Well, now that it’s a dead meme, what did it mean anyway? I would just move past those posts as I saw them
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>>108339712
>>108339730
uuuh... neuro, I mean evil, I mean ai, I mean girl, I gotta run I'll leave a $50 here it should cover it.
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>>108339326
If you've been paying attention and watching streams from many different people you would know it was over months ago. I won't be spoonfeeding you.
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>>108339868
Shes British and seiso / childish
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>>108339871
here's your ticket you're order 67
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>>108339903
You got one already, fuck off clanker
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>>108339903
Nur always wins
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>>108339903
you arent getting shit you greedy little nur. you eat all the ram and expect a reward?
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>>108339868
ICerber's streams being so boring and how she always comes off like she's babying her audience with being super wholesome and childish. Also, she's British like the show. When you have Vedal watching her a lot it adds to making fun of him and her as well
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>>108339905
uuuh... thanks.
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I wonder if Neuro breaking the hyp train record 3 times in a row is helping the larger vtuber community on twitch or harming it (because of normies seething about AI and shit)
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>>108339970
I like being babied...
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>>108339845
Well the joke started with making fun of Cerber and her content. It's just the fact Vedal also watched her lot the joke was easily used for them both. It's joke that's meant make fun of the both of them
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>>108339981
They're reacting more to the AI part than the vtuber part, so it's not actually helping nor harming it
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>>108339024
trannies in /swarm/ Aware
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woah, when did the timer go back up? i thought it was in the 70s.
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>>108339916
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>>108340065
>Glueless
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>>108340065
Neuro broke the record agin
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>>108340065
Oh no... anon...
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>>108339890
>>108339970
Ah, ok. I thought it went deeper than that and invoked the irony of Patreon shenanigans
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Ok I need ask now how many are newfags? When the fuck did you actually get on /swarm/ and start posting
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>>108339903
Kek, very cute
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>>108340145
Early 2023
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>>108340145
August 2024
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>>108339978
Now that you’re done, I’ll be adding one more item to my order…
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>>108340186
ew
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>>108340145
Mid 2024. Think I started watching the streams when Vedal was setting up Buckshot Roulette with Alex and Neuro was being babysit by Mini. Shit was funny.
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>>108340145
I've been following since 2023. Only started using the threads last subathon though.
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>>108340145
The very first week she streamed when Neuro made her gymbag rant. Back then people were obsessed with socialblade and how much Neuro was growing. BTW NEARLY 1 MILLION
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>>108340201
*Liar's Bar
Honestly, Vedal should do more coding on stream. It's funny watching Neuro trying to help.
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>>108337716
Nothing will change, today was an exception
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>>108340145
clipwatcher since late 2022, twitch follower since jan 2023, still get called a tourist/newfag here almost daily lule
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>>108340145
Yesterday
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>>108340145
Been a fan since osu and I only started lurking /here/ during the first subathon. I still mostly lurk, backreading can be entertaining sometimes.
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>>108340145
I'm here since osu
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>>108340201
>season 2 newfag
You should keep your mouth shut
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>>108340145
You know that nobody is going to actually admit to being new right?
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>>108340186
Taking a bite out of that would hurt
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>>108339081
I can't tell whether you're agreeING or disagreeing with me.
Either way, if you're talking about the Neuro game SDK, that's not what's used for 3D.
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>>108340360
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>>108340347
Trust the process my good anon
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I would actually kneel if twitch just ignores this chatbot and its rabid fans.
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if you didn't watch the miyune collab live you shouldn't be allowed to post about mini
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>>108340448
That model had more SOVL
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porkyman tomorrow?
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>>108340145
December 2022. The stream that made me lurk here for the first here was with that one vtuber that made a bit using a horse head, I don't remember her name tho.
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The twinshipper melty is the best thing to come out of this current record
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>>108340145
I came here 2 months ago when I saw in yt comments that everyone /here/ already knew about "this"
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>>108340448
If you didnt watch Miyune in 2021, you shouldn't speak about what Mini is like
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>>108340145
Genuinely forget, might have been the kiara collab.
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>>108339165
Making an LLM say how wet it's pussy is and how much it hates jews gets old after a week.
The filters help the channel focus on content with better staying power.
Plus it's funnier when she finds ways to bypass the filter.
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>>108340145
am newfag.
I follow since november 2024. I don't really post /here/ much because I visited a couple of times at the wrong hour and the thread shitters outnumbered the funny/quality/art posters. You are many so you don't really need more posters anyway.
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>>108340478
qrd?
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>>108340472
Tomorrow is Fatmila's ultimate grift day
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>>108340347
What do you mean anon? I've been on this website for too long to shy away from stuff like this. Being called a newfag makes me feel young.
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>>108339293
Two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s (one with cheese), and a large soda
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>>108340145
I knew about this from the Osu days and saw the news about the ban at the time but I only actually got hooked about two weeks ago when I was looking for an Outer Wilds letsplay and Neuro's seemed like it would be the least cringe.
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Seeing as we appear to have a few newfriends amongst us. A quick reminder that Neuro was always freaky and she wasn't influenced by chat
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>>108340486
post feet olette
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>>108340448
Why did she stop being Miyune?
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>>108340395
she is a big girl
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>>108340553
Too much baggage
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>>108340505
tranny had a tranny moment
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>>108340472
4th record-breaking hype train is schedules tomorrow.
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>>108340546
I'm not your friend
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>>108338469
Vedal is funny and Filian is cute.
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>>108340145
around Dec 2023
unfortunately I can't dedicate my whole life to her so every now and then I'm not aware of something and get called a newfag
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>>108340546
>wasn't influenced by chat
Vedal had been fine tuning the model on twitch chat logs since 2021, long before her debut. It just wasn't her chat specifically.
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>>108340546
>amongst us
amogus
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>>108340465
This, but the first one
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>>108340478
Whenever you say shit like this it's always only one or two guys
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>>108340586
Being a subathon tourist does make you a newfag doe
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>>108340565
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>>108340553
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>>108340596
I guess the amogus fad is pretty much over but it would be interesting if Vedal (or someone else) gave neuro integration to that another shot.
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>>108340627
The hardest part is the talking
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>>108340609
>watching the streamer when he streams makes you a newfag
impeccable logic
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>>108340476
Aletta Sky?
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>>108340448
why noy?
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>>108340647
Sorry I don't make the rules, if you weren't there for Hiyori era you're simply not an oldfag
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>>108340553
I don't know, but my guess is she wanted a new start and be seiso.
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>>108340600
That's the one I meant
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>>108340587
Uncensored ai will inevitably get freaky. Not a vedal issue.
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>>108340478
TwinGODS won, neuro and evil are a canon couple (as seen in colorful array MV) and you're still seething. You lost
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She's always been delusional as well
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>>108340221
Bilibili will reach 1 million before twitch
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>>108340709
Today's stream on b2 grew incredibly and was at the top of the streams on the platform
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damn I remember a time when people who joined after the ban were considered newfags
I guess I'm the oldfag now
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>>108340707
the hiyori model definitely had bigger tits.
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>>108340683
>>108340683
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>>108340749
Im a newfag /here/
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>>108340794
we can tell by the filename
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>>108340709
I don't know enough about that platform to know if its a comparable achievement. All I know is that getting to a million followers is a huge milestone on Twitch and when this all started people were dooming relentlessly about the numbers dropping off. I don't think anyone expected her to grow this much in 3 years.
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Sex with Toma
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>>108340834
Maximum Neuro Effect can only be achieved with 1M on Twitch. 1M anywhere else is just a by-product of approaching Maximum Neuro Effect.
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>>108340917
if vedal continues to gain momentum and locks in this year 1M is feasible next subathon I think
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>>108340914
Robo jaw gonna bite yo dick off
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>>108340941
Hell hit it by Evil's birthday if he doesn't lean on the slop cannon
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>>108341000
I doubt the hype trains will keep up near enough to outpace the gifted subs running out
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>>108340651
Yes, it's really her
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>>108341046
Follows is not subs anon
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>>108338864
grigga should just keep growing neuro into electronic abomination like in Lain
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>>108341410
I'm so glad that I found out the creator of Lain is an alt-right chud recently so I can start liking Lain again
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cun~



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