You can say whatever you want, but what Hololive is really missing right now is someone like her. As a holo fan I'd love to have someone with an adorable voice (even better if slightly ESL, adds to the charm), witty, funny, and most importantly, a genuinely good singer. It’s easy to find loli type voices, but finding someone who can sing as well as she does feels almost impossible. If holo can find that, I'll kneel.
kobo
>>108349541yeah now that ayame is streaming there seems to be nobody who is continually not streaming
It won't ever happen again. The creative environment has changed.
>>108349541There will never be another Gura
>>108349541Seconding this, and I will add that I love when the voice doesn’t sound forced, but honestly that’s hard to find among lolitubers. There are only a few who can really pull it off. Off the top of my head, Panko comes to mind, and fuck, she’s a genuinely great singer too, but she’s in phase connect, so I don’t think she sent an audition at all.
>>108349566Kobo is not EN>>108349704>>108349708>>108349627To be clear, this is about personality, talent, and character type, not popularity.
>>108349541Even if they can find them, Saba will eclipse that person. https://x.com/kanauru/status/1997108738793062550/video/1
They should force biboo to take singing lessons. However, the vtuber fad has been entirely over in the West for years. Something like Gura's popularity couldn't happen again
>>108349541>lazy shitterno thanks
>>108349853Saba is out of the holobubble, so it wouldn't matter
>>108349818Authentic people don't like being tightly managed by corporate executives. It just doesn't work.
>>108349882I love her, but Biboo's speaking voice sounds forced to begin with, so I don't think singing lessons would do much.
>>108349740welcome to the cute and funny. ooo aaa ooo. ooo aah ooo. Hololive doesn't hire fun anymore
>>108349740bro if i were holo management and panko popped up in the auditions i’d fucking throw a party, it’d feel like winning the lottery. she’s genuinely one of the best voices in vtubing, both speaking and singing, and she’s also a great streamer, which really shouldn’t be ignored considering how things are right now
Seems like Gura during the pandemic only elicited mild pedo panic from Venti and other lolcows who can be safely ignored, compared to the pedo panic that half of vtubers elicit now from all normies
>>108349740If you just wanted to shill Phase Connect then just make a post saying I fucking love Phase Connect, no need to make this bullshit act.All Phaseniggers are subversive little bugs.
>>108349541Maybe Henya could if she got the idol bug and wanted to do singing and dancing reps and interact with people. But I don't see that ever happening.
>>108350189I'm OP, I'm not a Phasefag, and you're a retard, hope this helps.
>>108349566Indog
>>108349708>There will never be another GuraThis, and Gura is a great entertainer with natural charisma but the lockdowns and early EN vtuber hype was unique to 2020. Even if Hololive releases 10 more gens in HoloEN over the next 10 years they will never have another Gura. Actually baffling that Cover refused to settle things with Gura in a way that would get her to stay.>>108350168The normalization of sexualized children in entertainment is getting more backlash since it's becoming more widespread. Can't do much about trillion dollar Hollywood studios with all the forces of Hell defending them but it's easy to smear an indie vtuber. I don't think anyone really believes that Saba is dangerous but she is an easy target for those angry over the moral decline of western culture.
>>108350733>Actually baffling that Cover refused to settle things with Gura in a way that would get her to stay.Like what, force her at gunpoint? She wanted to leave and retire and never have to talk to managers or travel again.
they are retarded for letting their best talent just walk away the decline is here hololive will never be as successful again
>>108349708Thank god there's already too many non-streamers in EN.
>>108350560>I'm not a Phasefag,anytime anyone says this they are in fact a phasefag kek
>>108350733This thread isn’t about Gura’s success, but about the vibe she gives off, along with her voice and singing ability. I’m sure there’s at least one person out there who checks all those boxes and would be willing to join Hololive, and I’d really love to see that in EN 5 because it's what the branch needs right now.
>>108350941>the decline is hereI honestly don't know how Cover would turn it around this point. Most of their Hololive culture and brand grew organically from OGs like Sora and A-Chan and the early talent. Now it's all driven by high-level execs who have to justify their position, and justify their strategy to shareholders. How can anything that made Hololive special succeed in what it's become? That NYE product shilling was just disheartening to see.
kek
>>108349541I don't know any lolitubers who can sing
>>108349541>It’s easy to find loli type voicesFinding someone with a natural loli voice like Gura who isn't just doing the terrible high-pitched anime dub voice is not easy at all.She was born to be an anime little girl.
biboo
>>108352447Panko and Rye can pull it off (Rye is gross and hates her fans though)
>>108352609>who isn't just doing the terrible high-pitched anime dub voice
>>108352609She's cute and is more often entertaining than not, but that girl can't sing for shit..
>>108349541Gura was nothing special
>>108352873Hololive needs that "nothing special" though, and if they don't get it their next gen will flop
>>108349541Hololive needs to axe the EN branch, and merge the remaining ones into JP.
>>108349541Biboo.
>>108353646Wrong Corpo my anonymous friend.
>>108353662read >>108352447>>108349981>>108352869
>>108350090This but unironically. No one’s ever going to top Gura in popularity now that the covid buff is gone and that's for sure, but I’m sure Panko would thrive in Hololive, and easily become one of the most popular ENs.I say this mostly because of her personality and singing, and because, to me, she feels a bit out of place in Phase Connect, where everyone leans more toward the stacy vibe.
>>108352609Truth
>>108349708If they’ve learned their lesson and actually screen out lazy grifters during recruitment, then yes. Hopefully, no more Guras!
>>108353906>but finding someone who can sing as well as she does feels almost impossibleI did though?
>>108354260anon that was for the guy who said “biboo” to read, since there are plenty of posts explaining why she can’t be the new gura and never will be
>>108349541They will never find it again nor should they. Gura brought nothing beyond numbers that were meaningful. Even then, her "numbers" only looked good when looking at EN and ID, but JP, they were mid at best. Gura was a flash in the pan and her leaving was an actual net positive for Hololive since most of her fans were only Gura fans and not fans of the other more talented and deserving girls.
>>108355124Fair enough.. Mb.
>>108349541>someone like her
>>108349541>someone with an adorable voice (even better if slightly ESL, adds to the charm), witty, funny, and most importantly, a genuinely good singer.
>>108355132>Gura brought nothing beyond numbers that were meaningfulHate her or love her, but she unironically carried the EN branch on clout and popularity aloine for the 1st year+.>>108355132>most of her fans were only Gura fans and not fans of the otherBS since i've seen them talk about watching others(mostly CC/GG, Ina, and Biboo) in her general without back lash dozens of times.>other more talented and deserving girlsBut idk why i'm responding to a random brown Holo anti.>V erification not required!
>>108350189Phase has good retention though, something egregiously bad would probably have to happen for any of the talent to consider leaving. Panko also would not nearly have the flexibility she has now if she went to Holo.
>>108356579>Can't sing for shit>Mimics her badly 90% of the time>Is really young and stupid(Uohh).
>>108356786the cooler Gura, then?
>>108356579Same energy. https://youtu.be/N3Wk9WqFyZ8?t=805
>>108349541Completely agree. The loud schizo has been spending years trying to convince /vt/ that Gura isn't popular while still seething. It's been funny.
>>108352609I prefer that Biboo is not like Gura. I never liked Gura or found her entertaining in the least.
Yea, Hololive totally needs another mentally ill drunk who doesn't stream. Infact, they have 12 of them on the roster, that's how good they are at doing Gura's role.
>>108357047Panko would be perfect but there's no way she sent an audition
>>108357991she auditioned to be irys
>>108356709>Hate her or love her, but she unironically carried the EN branch on clout and popularity aloine for the 1st year+.Sorry but history revisionism is not your strong suit. Everything you mentioned was done by Mori, but I guess newfags like you don't really know that.>BS since i've seen them talk about watching others(mostly CC/GG, Ina, and Biboo) in her general without back lash dozens of times.Newfag statement since this has been disproven time and time again (its all in the archives and I don't spoonfeed anyone who wasn't here post Advent)
>>108356709wow people on the vtuber board that were fans of gura know about other vtubers. not sure if its most of her fans but a reasonable part of her fandom was only interested in her and at most some others because they interected with her in a clip they liked
>>108357265>Change undoubtedly feels slow sometimes>but I feel that everyone at Cover is still trying their best, both to continue making good decisions and rectifying bad ones.>Leadership does care, even if that care inevitably takes a while to materialize.The new Hololive EN project director had a nice speech in 2023 but after losing Ame, Fauna, Mumei, and Gura it does feel like they were empty words. Much like Yagoo expressing sadness after every graduation eventually it does feel like management is only saying the words for damage control. If Cover was making changes to improve the situation why do talents keep leaving one after another? Sana wanted a model redesign, which Cover obviously denied considering her graduation, but I blame the original HoloEN director for that mistake. Dimitri Hazuki though has been the director for years and EN still had 4 more graduations.
>>108357047idk about "cooler" or w/e. But she would unironically thrive in the Holo environment with her personality/voice/singing. Would probably be top 3-5 HoloEn within a year. She's literally the only phase that i actually enjoy watching when none of my go-to Holos are live.
>>108358166That was back in 2020 or some shit, I meant she didn't send one now
>>108349925>authenticIt's legitimately impressive how much she has all of you fooled
>>108360121So what do you think she is? Do you think rejecting your corpo job where you're a worldwide icon and then disappearing for weeks is some kind of genius PR move? This kind of shit reminds me more of Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse than anyone else. And they had plenty, plenty of antis too. And all those kind of looked like shitty people in the end, didn't they?
>>108358166Oh god no, she has to be a loli, I'm forever thankful she wasn't hired at that time
>>108359039>after losing Ame, Fauna, Mumei, and Gura it does feel like they were empty words.>Cover was making changes to improve the situation why do talents keep leaving one after another?There was a time where Kiara requested Hello Project songs for karaoke streams, all by the book, and the fucking salary douche perms guy deleted them without doing anything because it was too much for the perms guy to actually do. That's working in a corporation, and there's useless assholes in every company. The talents just had to get used to complete useless suits at every level because that what work is at most places. Cover is fucking stupid and has the kind of bureaucracy that normally you only get in megacorps when they're a barely 10 year old corporation.It's pretty much Vshojo's fault they walked. Because Vshojo was offering support and less oversight and a bigger payout. So like any worker bee the graduated members looked at the deal and took it. But vshitshow imploded before they could get Fauna or Gura to cashcow them with their whales and blew the charity money on the electric bill trying to stay afloat.
>>108361944Her english and streaming skills were quite bad back then
>>108349541huh? she didnt even stream. ever. theyre missing someone that was always missing? you retarded?
>>108357047Panko is just like Gura except better in every way and also she actually streams.
>>108362552Real subtle with your attempt there, you retard.
Saba needs a new Hololive
>>108349541cc might fit the role but I don't know how good of a singer she is
>>108350733>Actually baffling that Cover refused to settle things with Gura in a way that would get her to stay.Even if they did, the Gura of 2022-2025 was not the Gura of 2020-2021.
>>108363242Yes, she fell ill
>>108350189I love seeing people seethe like this whenever Phase is mentioned
>>108349566Sold her soul to BiliBili and speaks gibberish for a language, doesn't count.
>>108363242you mean to tell me all this begging and crying is for a vtuber that only existed for 1 year ? lmaooo
>>108349566Fpbp lmaoIt should be Biboo but Kobo is blue cunny
>>108362130I wonder if Mori knew this and actually tried to get Gura to stay.
>>1083643362 years, actually. But those must have been some really great 2 years
Overrated boring vtuber who was a huge bitch to her coworkers and lies to/hates her fansShe isn't missed and neither are you, chumshitters. Hololive is better off without her.
>>108356709>she unironically carried the EN branch on clout and popularity aloine for the 1st year+She was an average talent in a mediocre generation, debuting at a time of unusually high demand with no real competition. If it hadn’t been her, it would have been someone else. People were desperate for someone to latch onto back then.
>>108365703The first few posts in this thread were glazing at her hard lmao. 'hololive will never be as successful again' they said.
>>108349541>It’s easy to find loli type voicesI know a chubba with a very cute and bratty loli voice but right now she is too much of an ESL to apply EN
>>108349541they already tried 4 times and failed each time>GG is the gamer gaki, can't hold a crowd without CC or Kronii>Biboo is the cute gaki, has tons of hours streaming but is as engaging as a stop sign>Kobo is ID bratty gaki, already admitted to wanting to quit until Kaela and Altare talked her out of it>La+ is the JP bratty gaki, fell off the wayside because she'd rather stream on twitch playing shooters with males
>>108349541Hello Bibooschizo,
>>108367496>Gura is the no stream gaki, her lack of streaming made people forget how painfully average she is.
>>108349541why
>>108367496>Biboo isnt cute AND gamer AND bratty AND JP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ep7mhtzHQI agree. Everything will be focus tested to death.
the fact that she ghost cuckbuds again always bring me joyturn out she is still a lazy hack as indie
I don’t care about Gura. Give me an early Mumei until she went into a permanent state of semi hiatus and turned bitchy and mean. That’s dimes, brother.
>>108367466*HoloEN
>>108367423>If it hadn’t been her, it would have been someone elsethere were 100s of vtubers thatshowed up at the same time frame as her, including her genmates. Literally no one came even remotely close to her.
>>108364677>big fan of the saying “peace is better than proving a point” these days. hope life can just stay peaceful.
>>108349541Who would be a good candidate to fill gura's loli hole?
>>108349541just watch saba, her streams so far seemed to be a hit with the guraenjoyers and whoever keeps shilling about gura for whatever reason
>Hololive needs a new Gurawrong.HoloEN needs a worthy rival.
>>108371492>turned bitchy and meanI never followed Mumei but that sounds rough, brother>>108372238>her streams so far seemed to be a hit with the guraenjoyersher RE4 and Alien playthroughs made me question things. She should just focus on impromptu zatsudans and everything related to music and sounds. In collabs she's embarrassing even as (peak) Gura.
>>108356786>Mimics her badly 90% of the timeI put her on as background noise and it's either the biggest coincidence ever, or she really studied to copy Gura's mannerisms and speech quirks down to a T. The pitch of her voice is not there, but it's at times really Gura talking.Either way, it's not working out for her with 5K subs.
>>108352609she sucks at singing
>>108372238I agree. Saba is nearly as good as Gura when it comes to not streaming. Cuckbuds will feel right at home!
>>108349541>a genuinely good singer>Guranice try, chumkek
>>108375881>a genuinely good singerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuOIYcmPbYU
>>108363239unfortunately not very good. charming yes, but on a technical level - let's say room for improvement
>>108350531>forcing the shut in to go outside and do real workdo you want her to die?
>>108373348She's just creepy
>>108376032if she does it out of pure adoration of Gura and to keep her legacy going, I can somewhat respect the dedication/grift. But at 5k subs and I think 2view territory it's maybe time to find your own identity.
>>108375946Yep, about your average girl at a local karaoke. She's never even trying challenging songs (smart of her), chumkeks jizz their pants anyway.
>>108349541they should hire sameko saba, she sounds just like gura too, so it may fill the niche and scratch that itch
>>108377035Didn't she sing to open a MLB game? I've seen drunk college girls sing karaoke, they aren't comparable. At all. She might not be a trained professional singer but she's well, well above average and the natural color of her voice is special. You just look stupid trying to say otherwise. This is one of the dumbest criticisms I've seen in a while.
