Why is she so far behind the others?
>>108466197She's just not a good vtuber
>>108466197I had no idea Raora was the highest. That's quite surprising actually. What brought this on?
>>108466281Streaming in japan tjme, sex model, artist is easy to get on board with
She streams at EU times. No matter how much Europoors complain they will never ever be a viable audience block. They don't have the money or unity of language.
>>108466197For the same reason why Liz is ahead of Gigi despite people here crying that she’s lazy. Sub numbers aren’t reflective of streaming CCV but simply overall exposure. Being a good singer/artist translates into subs. Gigi is more popular cause she’s Gigi.
>>108466197green woman is trouble
>>108466281Big Cat, Big Numbers
>>108466281She ticks a lot of boxes and isn't afraid to whore herself out and has a genuine talent which she continues to provide content for. Also, a lot of men just want a cute retarded anime girl who shows her ass, legs and tits and doesn't collab with males.
>>108466281She'd been neck and neck with ERB for about a year now, just finally got past her with the surgery stuff and ERB continuing to do nothing for some reason.
>>108466683>just finally got past her with the surgery stuffSo it was from a surge of pity subs in the last month or so? That makes sense now.
>>108466400this is cope. If gigi was actually more popular, her subs would reflect that
>>108466400This is right, Gigi doesn't have more subs only because Japanese people find it hard to understand her humor, while they don't need to worry about that with artists like Liz and Raora
>>108466885Gigi gets all the sponsors for a reason you retarded numberfaggot
>>108466197Has she tried streaming? Some more collabs ought to do it.>>108466314>>108466482Pretty much. for me it was the voice and bimbo behavior but i've finally come around to relaxing to artist streamers because of her
>>108466975Although, I'm expecting some change now that Suisei has developed a little rivalry with her
>>108466683>>108466767Raora passed ERB before the surgery announcement
>>108466197i only like CC desu.
>>108467006I wouldn't say suisei has a rivalry with her, not until they go head to head in a multi branch event like she and Bibs have done a few times
>>108467087Let me guess, you're also a Napling?
She streams the least out of them, the majority of her streams are collabs so no real reason to watch her POV, her solo streams are usually just talking streams about niche things like Inuhasha or tier lists, her game choices are mid and if she does play the buff games she's usually late to the party to do so and the hype has started to wane, then she frequently makes "Stream probably" waiting rooms only for those streams to 95% of the time, not happen.In short, she gives people no real reason to bother with her when there are plenty of great alternatives.
>>108466197Native German speaker debuff
>>108466355It's more to do with the fact that Europe doesn't have the good kind of Asians that are into weebstuff creating a baseline interest into Japanese culture, unlike US.
>>108466885>her subs would reflect thatThey do. Gigi was the runt on debut and it looked like she would stay that way for awhile, but she crawled within striking distance of ERB and Raora through sheer effort.
>>108466683The doom clip also got quite viral
The simple answer is that she's the least parasocial with her chat. She also made big promises in the beginning that she never followed through on (like her membership stuff, the ASMRs etc) which put retards like me off immediately
>>108466197Boring, complains and never streams, the three horsemen of not being watched
>>108467312I've been saying she's a compulsive liar for months. Still don't believe the brother engagement shit.
>>108467312You certainly proved that you don't watch her streams
>>108467287gigi's subgrowth the last 3 months have been less than both ERB's and Raora's. She is not in striking distance
>>108467131You forgot the part about when she actually does play the games, she ends up dropping them midway and never finishing it
>>108466355There just aren't enough asians compared to NA. European men are also less pathetic and awkward with women.
>>108466975Liz's humor is pretty bong centric to be honest. I like it, but I don't know if it applies to people as far removed as Asians.
>>108466885She isn't "getting" them, she is taking them and once it's established that a talent is willing to take sponsorships more are coming in compared to the picky talents.
>>108466197If I wanted to listen to a woman complain while doing something, I would just get married instead.
>>108467379You certainly proved you can't read a single sentence
>>108467038She'd only just passed ERB as of like 2 days before the stream, and then gained like 4k subs in the following days before she went on break.
>>108467312Didn't she only end doing 1 or 2 of those membership audio asmr videos? Why does she even still have this tier available how hard can those videos be to make when shiori after 2+ years still puts out her monthly $10 novelkinight exclusive video
>>108466281She's retarded (this is a good thing)
>>108466197>ERB does a big lot of nothing>still second highest in subssinging buff is insane
>>108467747She's only dropped the 1 ASMR video and nothing else I've been in this tier since she opened coping she would start doing stuff eventually, and finally cancelled it this week
>>108466281she streams
>>108467747Haven't really paid much attention to justice's member activity, I know ERB still does weekly members streams but how are the other 3?
>>108466197Failed Fauna replacement
>>108467312Add to this CC barely streaming and barely making any use of her musical knowledge or creativity.
>>108467747Damn, I thought most anons here were shitpost but this genuinely kinda sucks lol
>>108468135Liz streams the least by a wide margin and she was the #1 for a long while
>>108468110What the fuck anon?, how did it take you so long?, I stopped being an otocrank after we had 2 months of nothing. To mention price isn't the issue, the scam is what really bothers me about it and I would have been fine with it if she didn't promise shit to begin with.
>>108466197Oh, Raora finally caught up? Shame, that was fun shitpost material. From what I've seen, GG and CC are gonna end up being "runts" with dedicated followings like Shiori or Fauna, so I wouldn't worry about them.
>>108466197CC is the Aldi version of Ame
>>108466197Farted on stream too early in her career
>>108466197Green vtubers are not in vogue at the moment.
>>108466281the average vtuber watcher is a monkey. they want to see booba on the screen but find porn too overwhelming. they are like drooling, mentally retarded monkeys. cc and gg are the runts of holoen because they make content for human beings
>>108467265>unlike USThe majority of weebs from the US are niggers
>>108468766Unfortunately CC doesn't stream enough for it to matter. She needs to drastically increase her hours.
>>108468698That's a buff
>>108467312She's extremely parasocial, probably the most parasocial talent left in the branch. Every time she does that stupid giggle half of her chat gets more convinced she is their girlfriend.
>>108466355Weebshit is generally not very popular here. It seems to be much bigger in US, though I'm not sure what's the reason for it.
>>108468766>make content for human beingsdebatable
>>108468819Shounentards don't count
>>108468882well that's because she IS my girlfriend
>>108468882so parasocial that she hasn't done her stated membership content in a very long time and cancels streams constantly
>>108468901too strict anti-piracy policies from ISPs?there is crunchyroll now, but most millennials and early zoomers outside japan wouldn't have been able to get into anime if it wasn't for torrents and such. the 3 big countries where weeb shit is popular besides japan and korea, are the us, china and russia, and they all have some lawlessness when it comes to piracy
>>108467312You could tell who she is by how she treated her bestie after joining. Terrible person
>>108466197she needs to lean into the german autism niche. instead all she's known for is autoshitter where she plays second fiddle to the tumblr chink who takes up all the oxygen by being a spaz
>>108468901That is the most blatant lie and just tells me you're not actually into weebshit at all.Europe has been historically way more into weeaboo shit than the US ever has.
>>108469269>but most millennials and early zoomers outside japan wouldn't have been able to get into anime if it wasn't for torrents and suchtorrenting from Dattebayo is what made Naruto popular in the West and i will die on that hill
>>108469546Anon, what made Naruto popular in the West was Cartoon Network
>Third CC bait post in 12 hoursYou're not subtle
>>108466975I disagree.I feel Gigi has less subs because her fans are pretty much just... hololive fans. Her total market is small to begin with and she doesn't really bring in anybody who isn't already invested in Holo
>>108469997 (me)I meant CC but I guess GG too to a lesser extent
>>108469997if you didn't get into vtubers in 2020/2021, why would you get into the now?and neither cc, gg or biboo are actual zoomers/alphas, they don't appeal to younger audiences. the average grem is like 31 iirc
>>108466281What this anon said.>>108466314And also she streams a LOT (before the surgery, will eventually get back to it once she fully recovers which seems like it's going to be quicker than expected).
>>108466197>holo vs holoOne, you're a faggot. Two, for 10000th time, subs mean fuck all. She's one of the most popular and beloved EN members, by fans AND talents. She's legitimately more popular than ERB and Raora, not that you'd know because you don't watch streams.
>>108466197She doesn't have a catch and it's hard for her to make a solid first impression.ERB is an impressionist and has an unique singing style (for Hololive), Raora is the artist of the group and streams a lot so you never end up missing her much. Gigi was also doing as bad as CC initially but she was pushed hard by Mori which gave her a bit of a boost. CC just lacks any immediate appeal. That doesn't mean she's bad, I love hearing her yap or when she does some creative streams.And the end of the day she'll be fine.
>>108466197goodkeep all the normies out from my CC
The rest of Justice at least has gimmicks and streams, CC doesn't have shit going for her aside from "oh wow muh immersion she wears cool gloves during handcams." She should've been the ideal gfe for her gen, but fumbled because she latched on to GG and now she's basically just her sidekick bitch. 0 reason to watch or subscribe to her
>>108469525historically as in fucking XIX/XX century orientalism? please anon, we're talking about vtubers, anime and idols
The entirety of Justice is not doing too great. Hard to tell if it's because the idea of pandering to the EU audience didn't amount that much success and kinda backfired or if it's because there's a market oversaturation that the EN side is struggling with.
>>108470209Yeah she's so popular with the talents that Sora and Suisei want a turn with the green accessory. She's a safe choice to spice up a collab with an ok model and voice but is utterly flavorless and won't take away from the main host. This is why pebbles and kronies dislike CC collabs because she tries to dominate Biboo when CC should know her place as the runt if she won't do something original for herself.
>>108469525>historicallyweeb shit is 30 years old and I'm being generous here
>>108470367I think its both, EU just has 0 weight and even Kiara as a individual case shows that cause her numbers have always been shit. Plus even with all the EN members who have left so far, the medium is just so oversaturated where there's not really any more room for growth at this point. So any new talents are just going to be sharing fans, rather than pulling in new ones
>>108470314Okay ligger, that's how you made her get a part time job and lost her in the first place. Why do you hate your oshi? You should be thanking all these kind antis for all the honest feedback.
>>108470367Maybe thats why all that stuff about esports came out, if their next gen intends to target that aspect and be super sweaty esport gamers.
>>108470333Doesn't she have the violinist gimmick?
>>108470567Yeah, but she rarely uses it on stream.
>>108470395Holy fucking cope and seethe. Just kill yourself you joyless husk. No one would ever agree with this braindead subhuman opinion
>>108466197>>108466252>samefag Why OP likes to suck so much cock ?
>>108470508That would make sense considering that Coyote Vtuber who's a big fan of Tekken graduating a few months ago.
>>108470567I mean yeah sure, but it's not like she utilizes it enough or playing instruments in general for it to be a factor. Imagine how cool it would be if she did regular instrumental unarchived streams of game ost's and shit. But she hardly ever takes advantage of it, exactly how Sana fumbled her channel by rarely doing art shit
>>108470463>the medium is just so oversaturated where there's not really any more room for growth at this point.Feels a bit silly to say when this ERB is at half a milli subs within her 1st year while only streaming about 2-3 times a month You're just looking at sub growth without Covid inflation boosting everyone to 1 million within a year
>>108470395>>108470333>>108469423Oh, OP is just a gremschizo. Not surprised
>>108470209If she's so much popular at a talent level where's her 3D appearances and collab covers then? ERB has a fair few now and they're both musical talents.
>>108470637ERB is boosted by her singing streams, that's it. The rest of her gen besides CC are all literally deadlocked together with no real standout among their gen
>>108470627Nah not her, she does 3D mocap choreography/direction for Hololive/indies now. She wouldn't be allowed to say she does work for Hololive if she was going to be debuting as a Hololive vtuber
>>108470696>where's her 3D appearancesWhere's Gigi's?>collab coversThat's up to the talents. She also creates her own music>ERB has a fair few now and they're both musical talents.I mean, when you barely do anything I guess it gives you some free time
>Make a very deliberate choice with a full EU group>Add a US member anywayGigi really feels like a last-minute get for Justice. Which is funny because if the Grimmi rrat was true then Justice would've still been 3 EU + 1 US member
>>108466197The actual reason was that saplings migrated to her before the other streamer came back. No one wants to watch someone that the saplings watch, so it culled her numbers forever.
>>108470765GG didn't mix with the JPs much in her first year but she's been doing that a lot and I wouldn't be surprised to see her making many appearances soon
>>108470765>Where's Gigi's?Gigi isn't relevant to the question, you implied CC is more popular on a talent level than ERB or Raora.> That's up to the talents. She also creates her own music.That doesn't stop other talents from asking her to do a song together, so either she isn't getting asked or she's turning down people.>I mean, when you barely do anything I guess it gives you some free timeI'm not sure doing less than a talent who's doing the bare minimum and probably working another job at the same time is quite the flex you think it is.
>>108470621Hold on I can fix that>>108466197She's just not a good vtuber
>>108470907Doubt it, she's still a mess everytime she's with a JP member and seemingly hasn't improved on the language as well. That's another big problem with Justice, is that they do not have a member who is fluent in JP like the other EN gens do
>>108470954She doesn't need to communicate fluently to make 3D guest appearances. She just has to sing, dance and stick out her puffy pussy in the camera's view
>>108470711>ERB is boosted by her singing streams, that's it.How she does it is irrelevant, the point being is that she(along with Raora)'s still experiencing decent levels of growth within the modern day>are all literally deadlocked together with no real standout among their genYeah? That's normal It's pretty rare for one single member to just blow past everyone else in their, they usually hover within a couple hundred-thousands of each other
>>108470685>samefagNah, anons just don't like quitters.
>>108470696>If she's so much popular at a talent level where's her 3D appearancesShe literally JUST got a 3D model a few months ago, and doesn't spend much time in Japan
>>108466683ERBs having tech issues supposedly, and now her recording projects are a month behind schedule.
>>108469997I got into Holo because of Gigi’s 3D debut, so not really. It’s a genuinely impressive piece of media that’s on pace to have more views than her debut which is insane. Again, subs aren’t representative of popularity as a streamer due to the way YouTube works.
>>108471202She can't fit in the mocap suit
>>108467449You don't enjoy impenetrable references?
>>108466197She filtered too many plebs
Are you going to stop making cc bait threads soon?
>>108469546>Dattebayowhat kind of newfag are you?AonE and ANBU were the Naruto fansubs of choice
>>108470411I was watching Dragon Ball, Slayers and later Medabots in publically available TV ~25 years ago, so it tracks
>>108466197Green hair is now a bad omen
>>108468197Yeah to be real this is representative of the one legit criticism of CC which none of the schizos have brought up because they don’t watch her streams. But if you do it’s pretty obvious, she might be one of the only ones in Holo with this problem
>>108468174>Join Hololive>Show neat talents at the start, promise you'll use them>Half a year later, barely use any of your talents anymore and just do generic stream contentMany such cases!
>>108466683It can't be understated how little ERB did in 2025. Outside of her 3D debut and small guest parts in other people's projects she's released nothing of substance. Her continual growth in spite of that is kind of crazy.
>>108471139The counter point is still ERB, she was in Zeta (admittedly this was a 2D thing) and RBC's 3D's before getting a 3D model and all of justice was in Kiara's easter 3D. In the same time span that the rest of justice spent in JP for 3D prep, she recorded 2 more 3D apperances compared to the rest so far. 3D model also has nothing to do with collab covers.
>>108470333ERB streams?
>>108471389More than Nerissa
>>108471389More than Saba
>>108471512Bro...
>>108471277Amazing that you were. Most kids weren't, though. I didn't know a single kid interested in manga and/or anime other than pokemon growing up.
>>108471512Lel
The fact that CC got into Holo is only because she can play a couple of instruments(Japs love this because it's just like their German anime stereotype) and speak 3 languages as a Euro, because no other Euro vtuber was as talented as her. She's also a serial procrastinator and will coast along with doing the bare minimum.
>>108468882>Probably the most parasocial talent left in the branchKronii is still there
>>108471882Kronii collabed with the homos, making her instantly unparasocialable forever
>>108466197same reason Kiara is last in Mythmany people find germans rude and annoying
>>108471366Her hands got a lot worse after she joined Holo. Maybe even because of it.
She scared a lot of potential subs away when she brazenly blasted ass live on stream
>>108470812that's a pretty mean thing to say
>>108472424You're right I'm sorry. Should we kiss?
>>108466197Raora creeping up about to pass Shiori makes me happy.
>>108470812that's rude, I membered CC before Fauna graduated
>>108466197Her accent is unpleasant.
>>108466197helth issues. Her hands are fucked in a way she can't into long gaming sessions, and also the last month she had to go on a trip to visit specialists to fix that and she tried to stream but random technical issues largely fucked up her schedule. And to top it all off due to that trip she picked a couple of infections.
>>108466281she's just a good streamer, she can't even sing so she gets no song tourist subs
>>108466281Her animated shorts helped a lot too
>>108471449Amazingly no
>>108473038Is this only archived/youtube?I'd imagine she clears easily from her long unarchived streams and twitch
I always wonder about CCs hours since I have the feeling I see her all the time compared to the others at the bottom.Does she do so many collabs as guest or is just me having her on like 4th place of watch priority?
>>108471121>quitterHow is CC a quitter? Because she has been traveling to go to specialist doctors for her hands? Why are you such a retarded subhuman incapable of emotional intelligence?
>>108466281Shorts spam
>>108473038That's missing 100 twitch hours, and pretty sure Nerissa has more rebroadcast hours if you care about that.
>>108473038Why does no one ever shit on Ina for not streaming, despite having the lowest amount of hours?
>>108473062it iserb has 100+ twitch hours
>>108473038>>108473062The anon that tallied that didn't count members, rebroadcasts or anything from Twitch.Which honestly based Streaming on Twitch then doing youtube member only streams is flagrant double dipping and needs to be called out and shamed since a membership on Tiwtch is the only way besides Turbo to not see ads.
>>108473424Daisenpai privilege, 5 years activity versus 1 year.
>>108473480Oh that doesn't count members? Wonder how many ERB has with them included, she does those weekly.
>>108470934>you implied CC is more popular on a talent level than ERB or Raora.Yea, and she is. I brought up GG because you're a gremschizo (the only """people""" I've seen hate on CC). Also I'm not surprised you equate 3D appearances to "popular" since you're not that bright. Notice how rather than make 3D appearances, CC instead bags every EN talent to appear in HER content?>That doesn't stop other talents from asking her to do a song togetherAgain, what's this have to do with anything? Collab songs have never equaled being popular. With your logic, Biboo isn't popular whatsoever because she doesn't have a single collab song. Fucking retard>I'm not sure doing less than a talent who's doing the bare minimum and probably working another job at the same time is quite the flex you think it is.Streaming and collabing isn't doing the bare minimum. ERB does neither. Your low IQ is really astounding
Anyone that posts in this shitty anti bait thread after my post will cause their parents to die this year
>>108473703The only parent I actually grew up with and loved is dead
>>108473279>traveling to go to specialist doctors for her hands?That's what they call it now?
why did OP feel the need to be a number monkey with 2 threads?
>>108474376guess so
If Liz streamed, she would've been at 800k already.
>>108466197>ERB 2ndGross
>>108466355europe just keeps getting shit vtubers, Ceci is just not entertaining and barely streams, even Kiara does better, think about it
>>108471366nijinigger in a ditch rotting away , his oshi getting dicked down by Yab-sama , investors and the homos and all he can do is watch and curse HoloGODs for being superior in every way .>b-but muh JPEnglish board KYS
>>108471809>can playfuck all she can, im still salty the violin on her model was false advertising. i got my hopes up for a holo uruka for nothing.
>>108466197How the fuck does ERB have the highest? Majority really does have shit taste.
>>108466197Everything I've seen of Cece having not really watched her, she seems chill why the hate?
>>108467131>>108467404the only godd answers
>>108479548shes so chill her whole channel keeps freezing, together with her violin
>>108473038kiara is a machine
>>108466197Doesn't stop her from being my favorite
I like European women so I subscribed to her. I wish she would do German streams to appeal to me.
>>108466281Big cat means big memes.
>>108466281Liz had a pretty hefty lead for a good while but she went from at least 1 occasionally two karaokes in a week in 2024 to maybe doing one a month but usually less in 2025.
today on your daily dose of anti CC thread, more numbers
From the outside looking in (I only watch clips of Justice), its crazy to me that Gigi and Cece are the lowest. They're the only ones I ever hear about. I can't stand listening to Raora and thought Elizabeth had fallen off the brink of obscurity. But I feel the same whenever I see that Nerissa is above Bijou in advent.
Fucking stop you numberfag
>>108480441It's their morning routine
>>108480521Why do these "people" numberfag so heavily?
>>108479548She's the biggest waste of potential in Justice.
>>108480695gg's not that bad, you need to relax.
>>108480695Don’t give up hope, ERB will come around eventually.
>>108481178>>108481208Nah, those two are doing all they can, they're just shit.Ceci has potential she is wasting by not fucking streaming.
>>108480229>>108474376>>108480441>people start giving genuine feedback about why your oshi sucks rn>cope and claim it's an anti thread to ignore all of it>stays content with low effort mediocrity
>>108481399
>>108481538Got his ass
>>108466197I love CC and have been subbed from membership opening but she always streams at euro times when I can't watch her. I don't know if europoors just don't watch vtubers or hate germans or something.
>>108481895>always streams at euro timesShe starts 2-3 hours later than most euro streamers so her potential audience is already watching someone else, and it's too early for Americans.She's trying to catch both euros and muricans so she misses both.
>>108482165yeah no; I'm EU and so is most of her fanbase and we watch her just fine. you're full of shit
>>108482245Yes, you and the 3000 or so people coming to her streams are the entire EU viewerbase. There definitely aren't other people that could watch her if she streamed at a better EU time. She should just move her streaming hours to better cater to Americans. After all you'll watch her just fine.
>>108468766This all happened when the third world got internet access through mobile phones.
>>108482838Or maybe she should just increase her streaming to make up for it, she barely streams as is
>>108482245That Anon is still not wrong. CC is streaming late for EU times. Most EU streamer start before her. She is streaming at Asmongold hours trying to catch both NA and EU. 9 PM is not normal.
