It was good while it lasted
>>108490749Is Vesper the only Holomem to play Dwarf Fortress? Why are other Holos and Holostars not interested in it? It has incredible depth, if you don't know what to play, just fire it up for a couple of hours.
>>108491189it's not that interesting to watch, all things considered and can you imagine how all the viewers will start clamouring about wanting to be represented by a unit in-game?I can't imagine anyone wanting that kinda headache
>>108491189It's dogshit to watch unless it's prerecorded, or you're a god at zatsu. That said, there's never been a good DF stream.
Vesper played FTL, so he was alright in my book
>>108490749Why is it so hard to make a gen full of male entertainers who don't implode, crash out or commit some kind of sex crime?enStars was on trajectory to be a successful and relevant branch until the graduations and now it's just unrecoverable.Surely you could build a gen off of a pair of bro gamers that shoot the shit and coop together, a dadgamer that plays autism strategy games on the weekend, and a nice guy with a deep voice that does yume zatsu. Like surely this is a thing you could do, you could find the people and make it work. Yet nobody has.
>>108490749Everyone got bills to pay
Bettel is genuinely naturally funny, but other than that, I just don't really find the others to be that entertaining, and I really don't care about the idol aspect when it comes to men.
>>108491287Hiding behind an anime avatar is unmanly. Only feminine men are attracted to the idea.
>>108490749no it wasn't
>>108491287it's hard to make a gen full of women who don't do those too, minus the sex crimes.it's just that if you're a male streamer, you need to have something fucked in the head to want to puppet a fujobait avatar. either you're prowling for pussy or you're a menhera megapussy, unfortunately.
>>108491287Having gen unity as your biggest sell is a two edged blade. Neither Magni nor Vesper were my favorites, quite the opposite, Axel was my number one and Shiny Spicy my favorite duo, but still Tempus HQ unity was the biggest factor they had. So once they imploded, it was hard to not lose interest.Still, those early months of /MANS/ were some of the most fun I've had with vtubers.Still come back to these covers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVlHfSbU0lkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvSKHYzB82M
It wasn't lol and I actually tried them
>>108491287I think we've seen enough to conclude that male vtubers are inherently prone to this shit. The best comment I've ever seen was>I'd say they act like women, but that would be an insult to womenLiterally they are like caricatures of what people imagine 20 year old women would act like in a corpo environment.Holostars, Chinkjisanji, even the newly built FSP... No matter where you go it's unprofessionalism, meltdowns and histrionic dramaqueening.The funny thing is that early Tempus really did have a strong unity and it buffed their whole box to some degree. Vesper singlehandedly decided to nuke it all by going on a months-long meltdown arc and refusing to collab.
>>108490749i want to live in the timeline where Vesper didn't collab with Kronii & Mori/only stuck with the boys, and have the menhera breakdown in Japan.
>>108491287The reason the generation imploded was disparate goals/desires from the members and shitty management. There's also the whole idol aspect where you gotta sing/dance/do voicepacks and all that shit, which, unsurprisingly, doesn't really have much overlap with a number of the male entertainers and their general vibe/content type. Altaire and Vesper not liking each other didn't help either but I can see how someone like Altaire would drive you nuts, even if his complaints were valid.
>>108490749>homos>good
>>108492477These are not homos. They are MEN
>>108490749Males
>>108492883They are FAGGOTS(literally)
>>108492033They're unironic faggots and zoomers pretty sure the average age of male Vtuber skews lower than with most female Vtubers especially those selected for corpos, probably because this sort of thing actually appeals to the female audience and that's what they target. Bro-tubers are not a thing because it makes little sense when females already dominate the market and fans are more willing to buy their merch and stuff even at it's peak Tempus gachis were mostly women and faggots. Bro-tuber market is already crowded as it is on the flesh side and Vtubing brings only a debuff to the formula most successful brotubers look like shit and live in filth to be relatable to their audience, you just can't do the same with a prettyboi avatar that makes you look like some generic fujobait faggot peanut would never work with Axel's avatar.
>>108490749yeah. Their group collabs were great. ttrpg, judge Magni and Worms Tournament were legendary. It is shame that Cover fired Magni and Vesper, and then introduced 2 gens of actual faggots for actual women instead of doubling down on brotubers. Also they were respectful when collabed with girl at least when compared to this fat dino flip fagThey all had a chance and they fucked it up
>>108490749I don't watch the Stars, but I do sure miss HoloSALT ngl
>>108491189Crimzon Ruze also played it
>>108490749Go cry in your dead thread starsister
>>108491287you niggers dont want bro gamers stop saying this shit. this is the brotuber you retards pretend you want and hes successful. we dont want faggy ass vtuber models with sexpest fuckboy fags controlling the avatar its not hard to understand that shit is never going to work yagoon you fucking braindead out of touch retard and management sisters fuck off
>>108496435It's interesting how little her fanbase seems to understand her. And at the same time she enables that audience herself. It's a really weird loop.
>>108491287>Why is it so hard to make a gen full of male entertainers Who's the target audience? Can't get an audience, can't get suitable talents.Straight men would rather watch female vtubers and male fleshtubers. You've got the pick then of the following:>gays>troons>cucks who only enjoy male/female collabs for that vicarious cucking or self-insert experienceThese degenerates are not a sustainable audience.Yumejoshi have all moved on to Love and Deepsex so you won't get the actual real female audience either and they were the most lucrative in terms of profit besides gachicorns. In fact more actual women probably watch Marine than there are women watching all of the stars combined.
>>108491228true DF has never been tried
>>108492033My unmedicated boy just wanted his perms. Literally Cover's One Job.
>>108491287>Why is it so hard to make a gen full of male entertainers who don't implode, crash out or commit some kind of sex crime?Armis is literally that. All of them are comedians.
>>108493166>brotubers look like shit and live in filth to be relatable to their audiencewhat about Jerma?
>>108491287>Why is it so hard to make a gen full of male entertainers who don't implode, crash out or commit some kind of sex crime?What unicorns want, what casual fans want, and what Cover corporation wants from their vtubers can be completely different. Vesper and Magni were doing really well in terms of HoloPro collabs that were liked by the vast majority of casual fans. At least for the EN branch there was potential for more unity between Hololive and Holostars along with bringing in new viewers. It's ironic that management killed that off through a series of heated model redesign fights that caused all the EN graduations in 2022 and 2023. The EN branch would look very different in 2026 had management settled the redesign disputes in 2022 instead of fighting it out every step of the way.>>108492115>i want to live in the timeline where Vesper didn't collab with Kronii & Mori/only stuck with the boysTheir collabs with Kronii and Mori were really entertaining. Had management settled the disputes with Kronii, Ina, and Sana there wouldn't have been those fights with management since Cover was actually willing to give Magni a redesign. Cover actually destroyed HoloPro EN unity for years due to the constant fights which is ironic.
>>108498451Shut the fuck up, tranny.
>>108498451Fuck off outfitschizo
>>108490749I honestly liked Vesper, to this day he's still the only male vtuber I ever watched.Then he stopped taking his meds and went full schizo.
>>108491228>>108496949True DF *has* never been tried. There's a lot of funky stuff you can do but you need to be an experienced player.
>>108490749why the long face vesper
>>108491287>Surely you could build a gen off of a pair of bro gamers that shoot the shit and coop together, a dadgamer that plays autism strategy games on the weekend, and a nice guy with a deep voice that does yume zatsu. Like surely this is a thing you could do, you could find the people and make it work.And they would all be stuck with the same kind of yaoi-bait models that plague male vtubing as a whole, even worse when they end hiring literal fags like Goldbullet.
>>108490749Grow up pussies
The only tip I have for this is learn japanese
>>108490749was it
