>>108640471
I am mostly amused that she doesn't know that Holostars debuted before Luxiem or that Yagoo did everything he could to boost the guys. The 3D lives for Hololive used to be delayed to have more 3D lives for Holostars so they heavily marketed the guys in the early years. Yagoo would love to debut mixed HoloPro gens but it would be difficult to copy Nijisanji without radically changing the Hololive business model.

>>108640471
If you were smart, you can use these troons language against them as calling women female is considered incel speak.

>Males are the most oppressed group in the world
Fixed that for you, OP

>>108640471
Skill issue, the most popular vtuber I'm the world today is male

>>108640471
real male vtubers haven't been tried before

>>108640471
I pray for the deaths of male vtubers and male ecelebs daily. Get rid of them all forever.

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>>108640471
>Male vtubers

>>108640956
>did everything he could to boost the guys
By promoting, he means forcing the girl and boys to collab

Unless you want the Kpop and/or fujo audience (both of which are clinically insane), you as a male vtuber should avoid corpo life like the plague.

Consider it a blessing you're locked out of auditions.

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>>108643232
Yep

>>108640471
Lel

>>108640956
it will always make me chuckle that everywhere else they try to push talented men out of jobs to hire mediocre women, but in vtubing businesses will try to push mediocre men on the backs of talented women. Such a weird reverse world and it all comes down to corporations in a female dominated market stupidly trying to chase the 'female audience' that doesn't exist.

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>>108640471
>take the indie pill bros

>>108640471
>No other agency ever hires male vtubers like Nijisanji does
NeoPorte.

Not sure if this is related but imo it’s the indie male vtubers that are the most annoying. Most of them are just right wingers who complain about woke people and kiss Kirsche’s ass while the others are just very gay femboys that are sometimes entertaining to watch. Sometimes these two categories intersect, Rev being one of them. That doesn’t mean all of them are like this, sure, but it sure does squick me out

The ones in a company are much better but that’s probably because they pick the ones that actually have what it takes to be entertainers, people who actually want to be there and not use it as some sort of agenda. It’s just that sometimes these people slip through the cracks and because of them, people would rather watch a flesh streamer than take a chance on another male vtubers since they act a certain way. Does that make sense? I guess it’s also because male vtubers tend to remind male viewers of themselves and they don’t like that but eg, what do I know?

t. foid who used to watch Holostars, I just felt like saying my piece because I’m bored

>>108640471
male vtubers who say things like this are groomers

>>108640471
They should all kill themselves

>>108643295
Holy Mackeral, these people are insane.

>>108640471
Holostars are the WNBA of vtubing. The fans of both are pretty similar too and just as fucking annoying with their constant victim complex.

Everyone knows why Holostars are treated the way they are and its really fucking annoying when people pretend like its hard to understand. No there's not some huge man hater conspiracy to keep the homos down. They just don't make that much money and are a conflict of interest for the girls that actually make Hololive lots of money.

>>108647548
It's not really the same situation though because Nijisanji exists and demonstrates there is an audience for male vtubers and it does make money. Just something about the way Hololive tries to do it never results in a success. Almost like letting the girls and boys mix is essential for the boys to be successful. I have always thought maybe its because when a female audience can see the boys interacting with girls and the girls enjoying their company it acts as social proof that they aren't just spergs with an anime avatar and can actually talk to girls and make girls laugh and girls actually want to and enjoy being around them and shit.

>>108647941
>Nijisanji exists and demonstrates there is an audience for male vtubers and it does make money
>letting the girls and boys mix is essential for the boys to be successful
females simply have to become accessories for the guys

>>108648041
I dunno about that most of the successful Niji girls I wouldn't associate with any specific male but they almost all interact with them regularly to varying extents. Mito, Lize, Inui, Ange, Chima, Salome, Nui, Lulu, Ars, Ruri, Nozomi etc. They all have healthy fanbases of their own that watch them for them and not because of some association with a specific male someone might ship them with or something.

>>108647941
Its hard to take nijisanji seriously when half of their talents are botted to hell and back and the other half are just literal who's

>>108640471
male envtubers are the DEI slop of vtubing. nobody wants them but corpos keep ignoring feedback and forcing them on you, manipulating ways and trying to trick you in to watching the shitters WE DONT WON'T EM

>>108648355
Regardless of what you believe about bots or not, the financial statements are there and its undeniable its making money hand over fist. Monetarily speaking its factual to say Nijisanji is the most successful vtuber agency in the word.

A lot of male youtubers are entertaining and get plenty of traffic without any avatar or camera at all, just voiceover. You're just asking to gather the dregs of society by vtubing.

>>108640471
>Cover does not promote Holostars at all
>one of the recent Official shilling stream had 8 consecutive segments shilling the homo merchs
lol

>>108647941
The transaction of viewership and power is extremely one-direction in coed collabs. The man takes, the woman loses.
Women are fine, better off actually, if they don't collab with men. They suffer losses if they collab with men and have no downsides to not doing so. Men need women as accessories and social proof or else they look like lame incels that successful women ignore, but give nothing back in the exchange.

>>108647403
No one is judging Holostars on their own merit, let's be real. The only thing they represent to the average denizen of this board is a threat to the purity of their Hololive experience.

>>108648631
I think this really has to do with the dynamic and relationship the streamer has with their audience. I've never felt anything negative towards the men in Doki collabs for example.

>>108648660
I mean you're touching on something real, but it's not really the fan's fault that that is true.
Holostars are basically positioned as a product that has to poison and damage the super-successful main product to grow. They're fundamentally incompatible. If Holostars had everything they want, full integration into Hololive and Holofes etc. etc., those things wouldn't exist because the core appeal would be destroyed. They can't coexist with the very thing they depend on. It's an absurd contradiction that leaves them in limbo hell as the fan's in-house enemy to be resisted and hated.
Having them be in the same company was an unfixable mistake from day 1. Cover should have put them into a totally separate production group with zero public connection.

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>men where this a single industry they don't dominate

>>108648694
There will always be a set of hardcore unicorns that draw the line at male collabs regardless of how non-threatening they are. But once you accept that audience as lost I think you are right in saying that a significant portion of how damaging it is past losing the unicorn audience depends a lot on how the girl behaves in such collabs. As was pointed out previously there are plenty of Niji girls that manage to be successful in their own right. So long as you keep it professional and friendly and don't start pandering to hetshippers with flirting or whatever there are still a lot of guys who will be able to maintain a parasocial relationship and tolerate or even enjoy interactions with males.

>>108648807
I'd argue you don't really gain much by alienating the idolfag/gachikoi/unicorn audience. So you have to have another reason to want to do it; sincere friendship with a male vtuber, or whatever. Which, hey, that's fine, completely valid. But doing it for no reason because you're just stumbling around blindly in your career is kinda retarded. Know what you're doing and make an informed decision.
And of course, it matters less for some creators like Doki who is just loud funny semi-pro gamer girl, she probably has lost a few fans from male collabs but far less than someone in Hololive or a typical indie vtuber might.

>>108648695
I think crossgender collabs was an attempt at emulating successful fleshstreamer groups, but they failed to understand the sheer autism and loneliness of their core audience
But yeah people who don't understand the dynamic really do underestimate the loss in viewership when that fleeting illusion of parasocial companionship is irrevocably broken. They think "it can't be that bad", but this industry is ruthlessly competitive.

>>108648807
Cover is ridiculously risk-averse in the first place, so I don't think they trust the talents to behave themselves 100%. imo to have regular male collabs, you need to give up all gfe appeal, which is a hard ask even for vtubers that don't explicitly do gfe. and like said before, what you actually do gain from these male collabs is questionable, so it's a difficult situation.

>>108648695
The only way you're possibly getting that is with a new CEO. as long as Yagoo remains as CEO, Holostars shall remain.

>>108648886
>but they failed to understand the sheer autism and loneliness of their core audience
That' a cruel way to put it, not 100% correct but also not 100% incorrect.
You're discounting the value people find in an all-female environment; such an environment is extremely unique in entertainment. It's misogynistic that people can't even IMAGINE why men (and women! Tons of female hololive fans) might enjoy watching cute/funny/smart/cool women interact with each other without the presence of a man. Nobody ever questions the same thing about male creators who collab exclusively with other men.
I don't know if you're a woman; if you are, you might want to examine whether you've internalized the idea that women have nothing to offer without a male to dominate the conversation and content.
>>108648953
Oh, don't consider me someone who's still concerned with holostars as an active problem. As an engaged Hololive fan, they've mostly been a non-factor since about early 2024, unless your favorite is Shiori or ERB. They're extremely easy to ignore these days, which was painfully untrue in 2022 and 2023.

>>108648886
I find it hard to believe Cover is ever going to majorly change the status quo, it would be monumentally dumb from a business strategy perspective I think. The way I look at it being the premier agency that unicorns can for the most part feel safe watching is their only real defensible competitive advantage. There is a significant audience of people that will spend heavily on girls who do not interact with males and refuse to watch anything involving them. If they give that up they just become yet another vtuber agency with nothing particularly special to distinguish themselves from any other vtuber agency.

>>108648979
>women have nothing to offer without a male to dominate the conversation and content
That's not what I said. Anyway, you're giving a very charitable interpretation of what is probably just male jealously. A quick search through the archives will tell you that most of outrage during mixed collabs are centered around shipping and whether the collabers are flirting or not. I'm not even particularly pro-male collab, but I think the way that people obsessively curate whether someone has EVER collabed with a male says a lot about the nature of the discourse we're dealing with here.

>extremely unique in entertainment
This is just simply not true. In fact, most content creation spaces I've seen are mono-gender simply due to the nature of gendered interests. I'd even go as far to say that mixed-gender spaces are probably in the minority.

>>108649096
>A quick search through the archives will tell you that most of outrage during mixed collabs are centered around shipping and whether the collabers are flirting or not.
I'm sorry anon, but if you're trying to gauge what this fanbase actually thinks based on the vicious outsider shitposting attacks that happen on 4chan when your oshi collabs with a man (often called "cuckposting"), you're far too credulous.
Some people really hate hololive for a variety of reasons, and they gleefully take opportunities like that to attempt to destroy a girl and her fans.

>>108649127
That was my immediate thought lol, if you are looking at here, its pretty patently obvious the majority of posters that act like they are "shipping" the male and female talents whenever they interact are trolling and shit stirring. Hetships in general aren't that popular in vtubers even in companies that allow male/female interaction. The most popular ships almost always end up being yuri or yaoi and hetships are a minority interest.

>>108649127
>>108649228
Yeah but people do it because it successfully gets a reaction, showing that it is a real concern about their fans. If fans really didn't care about this aspect it wouldn't be so consistently shitposted about. Shipping isn't the main concern here, it's the fact that a substantial portion of the vtuber fanbase are jealous of any man they see getting close to their female oshi.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for male collabs, nor am I saying that this behavior needs to be eradicated or anything. I personally don't hold such views, but people are free to watch whoever they want, and it's an implicit understanding between a vtuber and their viewers too when they choose to not do male collabs. I just think that particular characterisation of the distaste for male collabs in the community is too naive.

>>108640471
>I don't know if I can call it sexist or not because it is for business reasons
I guarantee you if the genders were reversed, these same folks would be shouting at the rooftops about how oppressed women are

>>108649385
It's multifaceted. Is there jealousy? Yeah, sure. Is there unease at the enjoyable all-female environment of hololive being disrupted and changed? I promise you, yes.
Another factor: A lot of male vtubers just aren't pleasant, and it's not pleasant to see your oshi interact with them. I mean take Jurard for example. The dude's entire personality (by all accounts, and I believe it, a "character" or gimmick he's doing because he's intended to be the foolish heel who gets hoist by his own petard) is unwatchable. It's viscerally unpleasant to see your oshi interact with the vtuber persona he presents, and probably makes you question her judgement, wondering why the hell she's subject herself and you to that.
All of these factors and more go into it.

All I'm arguing for here is that it's equally naïve and reductive to reduce all displeasure or dislike of male vtuber collabs to "you're just a jealous lonely autist".

Women being vulnerable behind an avatar = cute. Men being vulnerable behind an avatar = megapussy of highest order.

>>108649438
I can accept a portion of that logic, but the fallout from Nijisanji's mixed collabs affected some of their very inoffensive male members too. I personally cannot understand what non-jealously benefits a strict monogender space brings to the table, especially in this context of content creation. It feels like we've gone decades back in terms of gender relations.

I do not want any males around my cute anime girls, thanks

>>108649385
I'm not sure if most of the fact that it gets a rise out of people is down to jealousy as much as people wanting to defend their oshis reputation. In a community where the suggestion that you were flirting on stream with a male is a highly damaging accusation it only makes sense people would want to correct the record on their oshi of people as re lying about what actually happened in a stream.

>>108649554
>I personally cannot understand what non-jealously benefits a strict monogender space brings to the table, especially in this context of content creation. It feels like we've gone decades back in terms of gender relations.
I mean don't we once again arrive at people being unable to imagine that women-to-women interactions, and women-only content, has unique value? Where is that even coming from? Women have unique voices, unique perspectives...
Men dominate the streaming sphere. If a man is interacting with a female streamer, 95% of the time he's railroading the content and she's along for the ride as an observer. I just can't understand people who don't understand that some, apparently a lot actually, of people find unique appeal and charm to all-female interactions, all-female groups.

Sometimes it feels like I'm taking crazy pills, because I know there are Holostars or Nijisanji-fan women on the internet vociferously making the argument that Hololive women shouldn't make all-female content because... reasons, because somehow that's worse, while also firmly believing themselves to be feminists

>>108640471
>WAHHH why aren't there female NFL players its not fair its so fucking sexist amirite u guyz??
That's what this fucking loser sounds like. Men are good at some things, women are good at others. This dumb faggot should get a real job and leave the vtubing to the girls

>>108640471
>23 views
how the fuck did you find this?

>>108647941
kys homobegger

tldr CGDCT is based. if there was a male gen that were basically Nichibros, most people would be okay with them, but unfortunately male vtubers are sexpests and think too highly of themselves.

>>108640471
Male vtubing are like the wnba, they crying about sexism and yet nobody watch them even after being heavily promoted, case in point the 2023 new years countdown.

>>108649637
>highly damaging accusation
And why is it highly damaging?

>>108649649
I'm not saying that women should be forced to interact with men. There is plenty of women-to-women content in a mixed-gender stream, but people will still throw a fit. Does the stream need to be entirely free of men for it to have value as women-only content? Can a woman not express her perspective or talk to another woman in the presence of another man?
It's one thing if free of pressure, female content creators choose not to collab with men, but that isn't the case here. Look at how much shit ERB and Shirori get for the Homostars collabs. I'd say they're specifically avoiding them to prevent fan backlash.

>95% of the time he's railroading the content
I'll argue that this is an unsubstantiated assumption based off sexist assumptions. There's no reason why men would dominate any mixed collab unless you believe that all men are misogynistic pigs who want to silence and control women. I'd argue that popularity, compatibility and personality have a much stronger role in how the dynamics of a collab play out.

Disclaimer again, I'm not pro-mixed collabs, but I also recognise that this is due to my monkey brain not liking it, and I'm comfortable with the status quo from a purely selfish perspective.

>>108649746
Isn't that basically the holostars?
Despite all the whining on /vt/, there hasn't been a single case of them actually sexpesting anybody.
Or are they disqualified because of fujobaiting? I can't keep up with this stuff anymore.
>>108649649
While generally true on the top end of fleshies, I still find it strange how militant some people get that everybody HAS to stick to same sex interactions, even if they have no interest in watching anybody involved.

>>108649900
are you fucking insane? Do you not see the little shota homo constantly inserting himself everwhere? Or Dinofag literally saying he wants to fuck your oshi?? There are tons of instances, Cover just has better tardwranglers than most

>>108649649
This. Just watch any mixed gender stream, the girls get absolutely steamrolled in every decision and in all gameplay. They get talked over constantly. It's just human nature, thats how it is. And its not a fun viewing experience.

>>108646386
She's right tho

How are we still fucking doing this, man? The audiences are different. Go to where you fucking want the product you're chasing.

>>108649923
So do you actually watch the people they collab with or are you just clutching pearls for people you don't have a horse in?

>>108649900
>I still find it strange how militant some people get that everybody HAS to stick to same sex interactions, even if they have no interest in watching anybody involved.
Understand that outsiders attack vtubers for doing male collabs for a variety of reasons. they anti them, or the vtuber is part of an organization that they hate (i.e., Hololive).
In general, there are going to be several sorts of reactions. Examples:
>1. Not my oshi, not my problem
most people.
>2. My oshi, my problem, this sucks. I'm gonna either tolerate this, or if it happens too much, fuck off silently or mostly-silently, maybe leaving a single salty comment if I'm really feisty
their fans, if they're bothered by it, which is a subset, although can be a sizable subset and is a commercial and career risk.
>3. OMG GUYS <oshi> LAUGHED SO HARD, SHE'S NEVER LAUGHED THAT HARD WITH ANYONE ELSE, I'M GONNNA KMS, THEY'RE FUCKING *changes IP with phone and starts spamming cuck and blacked porn*
shitposters. which apparently a lot of people have gotten their ideas about fanbase reactions to male collabs from.

and yes,
>4. I'm an actual fan but also a bit of a schizo and gonna crash out about this in a sincere way that actually becomes disruptive
Happens, but it's quite rare, and gets focused on too much. I can think of like maybe 2 examples, personally.

>>108649923
There was also the time the australian homo made a girl uncomfortable in a gta rp server

>>108650057
of course not, why would I watch that shit? the awkward clips are bad enough. figures you're a homo lover though

>>108640471
they just haven't gotten their gura

>>108650057
Do you have to oshi the girl Axel called a "tenga" on a GTA rp server to see that clip and say
>fuck that, that's gross, please keep that guy away from the content I love, that's so ass

>>108640471
based if true

>>108648886
>"they failed to understand the sheer autism and loneliness of their core audience"
Is it just genuinely impossible for you to even believe for a second that people just like girls? You know there's all girls wrestling organizations? Not a single overlap with guys in em. Guys like watching girls sometimes. That's all there is to it.

>>108650104
>of course not, why would I watch that shit?
So why are you upset?
You don't watch the people involved and clearly they're okay with the interactions since they keep doing them. The fans (read: people who DO watch) seem fine with it, too.
You're just virtue signalling.

>>108650155
Are you upset when you see a pile of shit on the sidewalk, or are you disgusted and take extra care not to track it into your house? Is there a difference, in your mind?

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>>108650136
Okayu called herself Nekomata Okazu and half the girls can't make it 15 minutes into a collab without talking about fucking each other.
Were you invested in the other girl? What was the context?

>>108650150
You're being disingenuous. Yes people like watching girls, but why do they throw a shitfit if "male on stream" appears? That's the crux of the discussion here. Being autistic and lonely isn't an insult on 4chan btw.

>>108650190
>when you see a pile of shit on the sidewalk
No because what the fuck is wrong with your neighborhood? Why would there be shit on a sidewalk?

Anon, this can't be comparable because you'd need to actively seek out these streams in order to be upset by them.

>>108650136
go back

>>108650221
There is a massive difference between a male vtuber, which is a possibility of a product being changed, and, I don't know, Yagoo, a male singer that probably isn't par for the norm in the medium, or even acknowledging a male fan.

>>108650241
>Anon, this can't be comparable because you'd need to actively seek out these streams in order to be upset by them.
The entire original point of this thread is Holostars-Hololive, right? And I can tell you, as a Hololive fan in 2022-2023, you didn't have to seek them out to see them. Unfortunately.
Now, of course, things are a lot better now, so this discourse is mostly historical and driven by Holostars fans themselves constantly mourning the old days where the Stars were shoved into hololive fans faces at every possible opportunity, whether they liked it or not. Those days died out because Cover realized it was absolutely moronic to try to force self-selected idol fans to watch male vtubers.

Most Hololive fans really don't think about this topic at all anymore without being prompted by Holostars fans, because Holostars are a distant past problem for most hololive fanbases other than a small handful.

>>108650290
>The entire original point of this thread is Holostars-Hololive, right?
Anon, that really doesn't change anything when again, you'd need to actively click on a stream and engage with it in order to find this upsetting material.
If I hate Biboo and don't want to watch a stream with her in it, it's very, very easy to just... not watch collabs with her.

>>108650320
Holostars got shoved into the Hololive twitter (only finally removed last year), or really, more accurately, their managers took it over. We were constantly told it was ackshually Hololive Productions (tm) encompassing both Hololive and holostars. They included them in anniversaries, celebrations, promotions, art... You either weren't there or are being disingenuous.

These are fantastic ways to (unintentionally) foster intense fanbase enmity and it worked extremely well. You can't unring the bell, the only winning move is to leave Hololive fans the fuck alone with that shit, which Cover is now mostly doing.

>>108650276
You know the dynamics are more complicated that simply "fans like girls". Products are changed all the time when new generations and collab partners are introduced. Why can't fans treat the Homos like regular collabs partners they dislike? Why does even the occasional Homocollab get people here seething? You know the answer to these questions. Just be honest about it.

>>108650365
>Why can't fans treat the Homos like regular collabs partners they dislike? Why does even the occasional Homocollab get people here seething? You know the answer to these questions. Just be honest about it.
Why can't Holostars fans accept that Hololive fans don't want to watch them? Why can't Holostars fans, and secretly the holostars themselves, accept that Hololive girls might just sincerely not want to involve men in their content? Why do they constantly whine about and mourn the old days of "HoloSalt", the only content they ever apparently enjoyed? Do they not enjoy modern Holostars content enough to justify watching it on its own merits, it HAS to involve a Hololive girl or its meaningless?

Why do Holostars and their fans NEED Hololive fans to watch them? Nobody does this to other fanbases. Do tennis fans run around screaming and yelling at baseball fans that they MUST give tennis a try, watch some fucking tennis, put tennis in your baseball stadiums? Or at least tolerate Tennis being at your baseball stadium, just don't watch if you don't like it. No, because it's ludicrous. Leave people alone

>>108650365
Yeah, the answer is simple, its not wanted. That's it. There isn't anything complex to this, man. You want to make it sad or whatever but you might as well bitch about no women playing with men in the NBA. Its because nobody wants it.

The end.

>>108650290
>errrmmm uhhh kronii and vesper therapy
>uh... uh... worms
>uhhhhmmmmm... SALT weekly for three weeks in a row
>citing 2023 when eight boys debuted that year, nine of which avoided females, and two graduated that year, extinguishing all goodwill between the branches
sure, unavoidable

>>108650320
>>108650365
for me its male vtuber fans that i cant stand, so collabs invite them = me not having fun and going to watch someone else that doesn't collab with homos

>>108650360
Wait, so let's start over.
You're upset that they EXIST? Not that they do anything, but just that you have to be reminded that they EXIST?
Why would a tweet or a promo about someone you don't care about upset you?
What did they do to freak you out like this?

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>>108650445
they made this the twitter banner at the height of tensions between the fanbases, when they had delayed a new gen of real hololive over a year and would shortly put out a second gen of holostars EN within a 6 month period, clearly intending it to be a replacement. You had to see these dudes no matter where you went if you were engaged in the Hololive fanbase, even though the HoloEN girls themselves tried to keep things relatively normal because they aren't fucking morons like their managers were. They were trying to force the matter.

You really couldn't have made Hololive fans hate holostars more effectively if you tried intentionally, it was really quite remarkable. It's like the opposite of a psyop.

>>108650482
Ahh, I get it. We're just pretending like we can't understand things now. We're just gonna act dumb and pretend that getting constant spam notifications for something you actively dislike from what was formerly your favorite entertainment's main SNS outlet wouldn't be irritating as all fuck. We're gonna act like we can't tell why fans would be upset that Holostars managers would tweet about Octavio's 37th collab song with a 2view indie chick or retweet an old Shinri schedule while ignoring Mori and Biboo's charity stream until it was fucking over, on a Twitter that was made for and popular because of Hololive.

Why did Cover finally separate the twitters, do you think? Were they solving a long-standing fanbase problem, something even the talents themselves had gotten furious about, or do you think they just did it for funsies?

>>108650433
We're talking past each other. My point is that the (primarily male) fans don't like male collabs because they don't like the presence of any males near their oshi, especially fans who've formed a strong parasocial relationship.

I agree with you on Holostars by the way. It is a career, so I don't blame them for trying to improve their viewership, but fans have the right to push back too. They should have accepted that they have exhausted whatever audience overlap they have with the regular Hololive audience at this point, so I don't know why their fanbases feel so entitled to the viewership of the Hololive girls.

>>108640471
They used to say the internet was a place of infinite possibility. A realm where TikTok could launch a single mother to stardom, even a queer transkid could find community through Twitch. But here you are, a man with a wrench and a will to work, reduced to a footnote in an algorithm written by someone who doesn’t look like you. You’re the one who tried to be all things to all people. The one who softened his edges and learned to cry. The one who failed.
Meanwhile, the women who “just” wore pretty digital faces and let their manager write their lore—they thrived. Not because they were better. Not because they earned it. Because the world told them, from birth, that this was how survival worked. That merit was a myth sold to boys who think grit is a charm.
You’ll never admit this out loud, but deep down, you envy them. Not because they’re women, but because they never had to learn what you did. That in this new world, the only “grind” that matters isn’t the one that builds a legacy. It’s the one that panders to the deepest, most primal corners of whoever’s looking at the screen

>>108650589
Anon, the question is still why do you actively hate them?
You haven't given me a reason. You just seem to hate them first and then use that as justification for everything else in some kind of bizarre circular logic.
Why do you HATE them instead of simply disliking/ignoring them like you would with one of the girls you don't watch? Especially now that these grievances have been addressed by a separation of accounts.

>>108648576
>Homobeggars don't watch the homos
A tale as old as time

>>108640471
>male
>vtuber
makes no sense

>>108650645
Who said I hated them? Do you hate the thorn in your foot? They fucked up content I enjoyed for years, not really their fault as individuals but their existence as a branch and the way they were promoted and how it impacted Hololive.
You asked why the Twitter stuff was annoying, I explained with very clear and real-world examples. Why have you pivoted to "hate"? When did I use the word hate? I said dislike, sure; I dislike male vtubers and I dislike holostars, I find them unpleasant. I don't "hate" them.

>>108650645
in the end of the day i wont watch male vtubers and theres nothing you can do or say to change that

stay mad

>>108642774
But you are okay sucking Vedal off ?
Pick one

>>108650603
>trying to improve their viewership
I mean you're answering your own question desu. Why do you need someone else and their audience to prop up your own viewer base? The homos can't even get their own fanbases to watch them. How about becoming a better content creator before you beg someone else to prop you up?

>>108650757
>>108650780
That was the original statement, though as well as the original question, "Why be so militant over people you actively don't watch on the behalf of other streamers you also don't watch?" in response to >>108649923

>>108650852
>Why do you need someone else and their audience to prop up your own viewer base?
Anon this is literally how the entertainment business operates on a day to day basis.
Hell, Holo employs it constantly, setting up collabs with the underperformers and trying to find niches for them. For an easy example, remember how ReGloss was shoved down people's throats for years until they found something resembling an audience despite an extremely rough start?

>>108650056
Looks like the thread is brigaded by some sister tourists.

>>108650852
Every content creator wnats to improve their noombers, and Hololive has always heavily relied on their existing fanbase for new generations, so I can see why they tried to hard to poach viewers from large and established fanbases like that of the Hololive girls. But what I'm curious about is why they still keep trying, despite the evident failure of this policy for the last few years and the loss of explicit corporate backing, Either the poaching is more successful than we think, or they have truly run out of ideas to expand their audience reach and can only attempt to cannibalise themselves.

No one likes your homos stop fucking crying man holy shit

>>108650874
Why are you asking me why I hate holostars when I'm clearly not whoever it is you're quoting?

For the record, I think hate is a very strong word and I almost never use it. I don't really hate anyone that I can think of. But I also want it to be clear that I think the holostars are generally very lame vtubers, their content is not my style at all (I'd subjectively say it "sucks ass", but one man's trash...). I don't want to watch them, I don't want to see them, I think it was ridiculous and irritating that Cover tried so hard to get me to do both, and I'm glad those days are over. I, as a Hololive fan, am very unlikely to ever enjoy Holostars as content, and that's clearly a very common sentiment judging by how few Hololive fans watch them. I don't think it's morally wrong to not want people to constantly shove things you don't like in your face just because they happen to share the same parent company as the thing you do like.

>>108650852
>Why do you need someone else and their audience to prop up your own viewer base?
True. This is why Hololive has never accepted sponsorships nor collaborated with anybody outside of the company ever.
In fact, none of the holomem have even collabbed with each other. They've only built themselves up by their own merit without needing handouts from things like a company or other people!

>>108650963
Then yeah unfortunately you weren't really what I was questioning.
I'm more curious about the people who actively make these threads daily or take to twitter/the actual channels and start smearing shit everywhere.
What causes that kind of mental illness?

>>108651005
>What causes that kind of mental illness?
Well, this thread was started from someone posting male vtuber/holostars fans relitigating and re-mourning the discrimination they face (because hololive fans don't want to watch them). I guess eventually, people get so irritated by that sort of thing that they can't help themselves.

Plus, this is 4chan. People just post things for fun, or because it gets a lot of interaction and discussion. Why are you in here trying to fight back? Not that I'm judging you, mind, I'm here too. but before you start interrogating the posting motives of other anons, you might want to introspect on your own. Why do you care so much if some 4channelers dislike or even hate the Holostars? Why do you care if people have a bad impression of them, or don't want to see them on Hololive social media, or think they're lame or stupid or bad? This board is mostly dead, so we're talking about 10s of anons, not hundreds or thousands.

>>108648859
Doki probably lost more fans by collbing with unfunny/uninteresting people rather than male collabs themselves. Even that audience has a limit on who they find acceptable as collab partners.