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new thread means new me
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>archived at 518 postskeklamo
i will try to watch shiori stream becouse of ds2 but if i see a single comment from flayjeet i will leave.
>>108686475Saaryon is out of comission for God knows how long, but you will see A LOT of beggars.
>>108686376https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uKksqlbwgoQ
le ded
I leave this image incase bibot schizo appears use it wisely.
>>108686512Is that the guy from Black Panther?
bloodraventrannies don't look!
>>108686553kek i chuckled
>>108686553Yes. Maybe. I can't tell
>>108686611literally me on the left
>>108686611Me on the right
>>108686611Me on the rightmost (I'm 19 don't ban me)
>>108686611I'm the twink cosplaying as the girl in the middle
KIARA IS GRADUATING
>>108686674God I wish
>>108686674Please don't give me hope
>>108686611Phased
>>108686601Literally 3rd rate ship with 4th rate shippers Find me a single artist that push this shit lmao
>>108686766>Quoting a post from THREE DAYS AGO
>>108686766Are you really replying to a post from days ago?
>>108686767yoho!
>>108686766Well, I can appear on the group photo of my office, that's more than what the Homos get these days.
>>108686766you seriously couldn't find something more recent to reply to
>>108686797Selncuck this larp is pathetic and it won't save the board
>>108686767Tåme Impåla
>>108686766thread is so dead homonigger had to reply a 3 day old post
Iofi in japan?Also 10k is not a big numbers though
>>108686766>>108686797Selenfag went mask off for a second and attacked me, what a pretty little beggar
>cuck post in /same/ got deleted at the same time that his shit here got nukedI'm noooticing
I just noticed Fwmc karaoke has big announcements in it that means there are going to be multiple announcement.I was expecting orisong but what else could it be I really hope for a sololive but they don't have many orisongs for it
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *Here it goes>44,822: Hololive (Hololive)>35,212: Subaru (Hololive)>30,571: Subaru (Hololive)>29,511: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)>29,384: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)>26,444: Suisei (Hololive)>20,608: Lulu (Nijisanji)>19,657: Okayu (Hololive)>18,982: Tsuna (VSPO)>17,906: Watame (Hololive)>16,468: Lulu (Nijisanji)>16,184: Botan (Hololive)>15,343: Fubuki (Hololive)>13,992: Koyori (Hololive)>13,599: Riona (Hololive)>13,184: Iroha (Hololive)>12,917: Neo-Porte (Neo-Porte)>12,695: Tsuna (VSPO)>12,666: Vivi (Hololive)>11,705: Calliope (Hololive)>11,640: Bijou (Hololive)>11,634: Sakuna (Indie)>11,624: Koyori (Hololive)>11,011: Vivi (Hololive)>10,791: Chise (VSPO)>10,548: Kanade (Hololive)>10,469: Qpi (VSPO)>10,163: Su (Hololive)>10,162: Meloco (Nijisanji)Gold for the Holo main channel with sankisei live free part, with Subaru getting silver and bronze with Danganropa and her zatsu
>>108687187*JANUARY 17TH 2026 FINAL EN TALLY*>11,705: Calliope (Hololive English)>11,640: Bijou (Hololive English)>10,162: Meloco (Nijisanji "English")>7,843: Claude (Nijisanji English)>7,490: Gigi (Hololive English)>6,481: Raora (Hololive English)>6,197: FUWAMOCO (<3) (Hololive English)>5,441: Clio (Phase Connect)>5,356: Clio (Phase Connect)How do you get 7k with a 3D Live? Jesus Christ. Gold for Mori Calliope's playthrough of Sekiro Shadows Die Twice, Silver for Koseki Bijou's third playthrough of Dark Souls 3, bronze for 汚いチンポしゃぶる売女 and her ten thousandth playthrough of Powerwash Simulator 2.>RANKING PER POINTS (Gold = 3, Silver = 2, Bronze = 1)Bijou = 20pIRyS = 13pKronii = 12pCalliope, Gigi = 11pMeloco = 8pSaba, Raora = 6pIna'nis, Zotto = 3pCecilia, Nerissa = 2pFUWAMOCO, Baelz, Nimi = 1p
grim
>>108687279mi
>>108687268JAN 2026 EN GOLD1/1 - IRyS - Unarchived Karaoke Relay: 22,4071/2 - Zotto - 3D Live: 18,3301/3 - Raora - Return Stream: 16,8421/4 - IRyS - Black Mesa: 16,1511/5 - Bijou - Warframe: 13,2061/6 - Meloco - Agree: 49,5251/7 - Bijou - Warframe: 12,9081/8 - Gigi - Subnautica: 15,0101/9 - Meloco - Powerwash Simulator 2: 15,1471/10 - Bijou - Outfit Reveal: 25,6741/11 - Bijou - Dark Souls 3: 17,3441/12 - Ina'nis - Agree: 13,7551/13 - Kronii - Routine: 13,6781/14 - Saba - Karaoke: 23,6671/15 - Saba - Hytale: 19,3321/16 - IRyS - Black Mesa: 13,8071/17 - Calliope - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 11,705PER COMPANY12x: Hololive English3x: Nijisanji English2x: IndieHOLOLIVE ENGLISH IS THREE GOLDS AWAY FROM WINNING THE MONTH.PER STREAMER4x: Bijou3x: IRyS2x: Saba, Meloco1x: Calliope, Gigi, Kronii, Raora, Ina'nis, ZottoMORI CALLIOPE BECOMES THE FOURTH TALENT OF JANUARY TO WIN ALL CATEGORIES, ALONGSIDE GIGI MURIN, KOSEKI BIJOU AND OURO KRONII.
Chihaya sounds like one of the uma horses but I'm not sure which one
>>108687345JAN 2026 EN SILVER1/1 - Bijou - Unarchived Karaoke Relay: 11,8381/2 - Gigi - Agree: 10,0421/3 - Gigi - Color Tierlist: 11,3741/4 - Gigi - RV There Yet: 9,6011/5 - Nerissa - 950k Subscriber Celebration: 5,7291/6 - IRyS - Powerwash Simulator 2: 38,0441/7 - Calliope - Unarchived Karaoke: 10,0891/8 - Cecilia - Dark Souls 3: 8,9871/9 - IRyS - Warframe: 14,3501/10 - Raora - Agree: 9,4131/11 - Calliope - Drinking Stream: 12,345 (wow)1/12 - Kronii - World of Horror: 9,7151/13 - Bijou - Dark Souls 3: 10,7571/14 - Kronii - Don't Scream Together: 15,0991/15 - Kronii - No I'm Not Human: 11,9851/16 - Kronii - Poppy Playtime: 11,1061/17 - Bijou - Dark Souls 3: 11,640PER COMPANY17x: Hololive EnglishPER STREAMER4x: Kronii3x: Bijou, Gigi2x: IRyS, Calliope1x: Raora, Cecilia, Nerissa
>>108687391god, I wish biboo thighs were real
>>108687391JAN 2026 EN BRONZE1/1 - Calliope - Unarchived Karaoke Relay: 20,7761/2 - Nimi - Tierlist: 7,3561/3 - Kronii - Zatsu: 7,8241/4 - Baelz - New Year Zatsu: 8,5311/5 - N/A (Only two talents qualified for the Tally this day)1/6 - Raora - Monster Hunter Outfit Reveal: 11,2061/7 - Calliope - Unarchived Karaoke: 10,0891/8 - Calliope - Sekiro Shadows Die Twice: 8,9871/9 - Calliope - Warframe: 8,9241/10 - FUWAMOCO - Japan's Stigmatized Property: 8,3331/11 - Meloco - Powerwash Simulator 2: 7,3581/12 - Bijou - A Gentleman's Dispute: 5,1501/13 - Calliope - Hologuard: 8,0151/14 - Bijou - Warframe: 10,4481/15 - Gigi - Subnautica: 8,0101/16 - Gigi - Subnautica: 9,0761/17 - Meloco - Powerwash Simulator 2: 10,162PER COMPANY13x: Hololive English2x: Nijisanji English1x: Indie1x: N/APER STREAMER5x: Calliope2x: Bijou, Gigi, Meloco1x: FUWAMOCO, Raora, Kronii, Nimi, Baelz
thicc
Anyone remember cc?
I am watching Chiha
>>108687528kek
>>108687511Yes, she's active on Twitter.
>>108687539No one really cares anymore, finding whatever reason it is won't make her stream more often.
kys cuckling
>>108687560If she halves her audience like Nimi she could find the motivation to boot up OBS more often
guys is it worth it to download hamilton to watch with gigi later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNm4Wt24AD8only 582k after a dayvery slow. I guess most of the usual repeat viewers are busy going to her concert and getting smashed at the afterparties
Gigi is fat
>>108687829with my cum
1st anniversary is one last buff streams nimi has to exploit
>>108687841Please brap on stream Mori
>>108687769She never had a 15k floor and her current floor is 4k, closer to 5k.
if nimi's numbers keep declining she'll have to start more asmr
>>108687848no frame yet so I'm going to predict nimi delays by a day citing "technical issues" when it's really because of the insane overlap today
>>108687889Still not half.
so why is limbus company such a massive buff game anyway.
>>108687900Her anniversary project isn't ready so not out of the realm of possibility.
>>108687447
>>108687892Her ASMR as LemonLeaf did like shit and that was August Nimi when she still had some dignity leftIf she does ASMR it will do a whopping 6k and it will do jackshit for her channel
>>108687907obsessed kek
>>108687408ummm, rape?
>>108687928She'll start uploading them on Nimi. Hell, maybe even do live ASMR.
>>108687949Oh wait she did do that lobotomy ASMR that got like 4k, yes, it was a meme...but it's not like she can do anything further than that
>>108687187why did the Hayato one man live flop?
>>108687940>rapethats up to her
>>108688014Wait, yeah.This nigga is one of the big Niji homos alongside Kuzunigger and Chinman, 30k? On a Sololive free portion?30k is ten thousand LESS of what Biboo (from HoloEN) got on her 3D live.
>>108687746I mean, her covers typically don't do anywhere as good as her orisongs. Her collab with Ao/Ui/the niji white thing hasn't reached 2 million yet after almost 2 months
irys today?
This thread is so dead. 2 hours sub 100 posts (after, you know the mass delete of a single schizo)
Will this save her numbers?
CC is repostingShe might stream today guys
>>108688235No.
>>108688240tomorrow actually
>>108688235for a week or so
>>108688235The only reason people used to tolerate nimi streams is because she was part of holo. Now she left basically burned the bridges and did lld nothing is going to save her numbers.
>>108688235Shes terrible at games and rage quits, why play this?
>>108688235God damn it please uninstall this game nimi you've played it enough
>>108688235Hasn't she already done this?
>>108688229It's time to just embrace death and join in on the silly and whimsy anon
>>108688235Overlap will crush her but at least she'll qualify to the tally, at least.
>>108688235she already got a golden pot as Fauna didn't she?
>>108688279stop listening to the voices
>>108688240She said sunday
>>108688235>HEY GUYS REMEMBER THIS GAME AS FAUNA?she is desperate
>>108688283does this character normally only have one arm?
Isn't today Nimi's anniversary? Is she not going to celebrate it at all?
>>108688235Shes doing what she wants
>>108688328maybe
>>108688333Just you wait, she's going to, uhmmm...Play a TTRPG with Mint again, or...something.
The mumei autism guy is really schizophrenic
>>108688330You're not supposed to admit you're a single retard smearing shit on the wallsIt ruins your "it's not just 1 or 2 people/a shittedcord" defense
>>108688298I don't know what you are talking about. I saw the photos and videos and put them together myself.
>>108688427..admitting to being part of the faildoxxcord is a weird power move, but okay
It's anniversary day and uuu is dead. I don't understand. It looks like her long break did as much damage as the lld.
>>108688341Plus we've seen her arms and legs on stream and they're pale as fuckMeanwhile they want us to believe she's a brown abuelita
>>108688472Nothing to look forward to.>3D LiveNo chance>TotsuWho would call her, Mint? Phoebe?>Offcollab:(>A game show with Promise membersNo can do, she's not a Holo anymoreThere is nothing in Nimi's repertoire that could be interesting, save for...maybe a new outfit or something like that. Turns out being a Holo actually comes with it's perks
>>108688482I don't know if you have seen her handcams and vlogs from her Moe days but she ain't pale
>>108688472I foresee a plush golden pot that you can put your Nimi plush inside
>>108688511Husband reveal would do numbers
>>108688544Only good idea we've had in numbers in months
>>108686376Collab with Flayon soon! VC flirting and cute interactions soon!
>>108688578Saaryon is dead.
why are they copying Shiori?
>>108686512>posting kai cenat we don't post quitters here
>>108688608Aids? Like that other one whos throwing up blood?
>>108688608That doesn't rule out VC and Shiori already said he would coach her, you lost
>>108688642Are you seriously getting mad because you won't be able to cuckpost?
>>108688624Chances that they replaced her with that green bronx loli that graduated?
>>108688624Shiori copied IdolEN
>>108688635Oh yeah Groombullet ain't coming backSad that it was such a shitty irrelevant member but hey something is something
>>108688608oh no, looks like no cuck chair for the novelights this time
>>108688635Shouldn't have fucked enna
>>108688681who said he's not coming back? If it was that serious he would have graduated not taken a hiatus
>>108688716I would say coughing up blood and being unable to breathe is pretty serious but you do you
>>108688673Does it really count as copying if barely anyone knows who that is?
>>108688624The better Shiori
>>108688708>this makes the novelites sadkek
>>108688673This is ai
>>108688235Shit game. She should collab with Pippa.
>>108688732I've seen people recover from worse
>>108688235>Hey remember how I played this game as Fauna a lot? Come see me play it again, just like the old times! It's still the same silly me! I even have a model from the same mama!This is just sad
>>108688673even less people would know who this lying backstabbing troon is if he didn't engagement farm the YouTube shorts algorithm using Gura
>if it's not popular it isn't copyingok disney adults, I guess The Lion King didn't copy Kimba then
>>108688883No?
>>108688883Literally the only thing they have in common is that they both have lions as the main character.
>>108685668you know he was referring to this place, right?Compare the timestamps between >>108685270 and >>108685415
>>108689145I mean you don't have to go that far backWe're getting close to 10 minutes gap ITT alone
Oh my God I am cumming to Kiara's big tits
>>108689182GRIM
>ded board >ded thread >towa wonneredthanks phasejannies
>>108689197MI
Hytale perms secured, Takamori collab on monday.
>>108685805Holobros having another melty at Saba
You dont have to cross post your dead bait thread every time fag
>>108689273>t. selenfag larpingFuck off.
>>108689297Cope. We HoloChads here hate Saba and Dooby the traitours
>>108688404But Mumei does have autism.
>holobros
Holokeks and Sabasharts about to be lose gold to PhaseGods today kekarooo
The LLD killed this thread far worse than what the hack did. Specifically this thread.Shitposts have become so boring and stale, it's absurd
>>108689355This. We should stop talking about the LLD and let everyone forget about it since it's not funny anymore.
>Sameko is streaming >Koseki runded away againNoticing
>>108688908>>108688999https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-mDMUDSnFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9MkB-sNMA
>>108689355LLD made this thread seethe for fucking monthsNobody seems to care about Nimi anymore
>>108689372No one really cares at this point, it will be the same schizo samefagging for 200 posts.
>>108689385It's doing better than Gnarly, at least.Also what the fuck those tits are massive
Recently I started watching Panko and she's unironically more entertaining than HoloEN and Saba. I changed my kami oshis Biboo and Saba to Panko and couldn't of be happier.
>>108689408Good for you
>>108689408>more entertaining than HoloENlow bar to clear
>>108689382 (Me)After they ripped off kimba, Disney had the guts to SUE Kimba's creators and even if they had a losing case, Disney did the despicable thing of extending the trial until the other party ran out of money and that's how they got away with it
>>108689394The thing is, most of the Selenfag style of shitposts are Holo vs Something. Holo vs Niji, Holo vs Homo, Holo vs NimiNimi becoming irrelevant killed the last common enemy this thread had and made everything so so boring. Look at the shit above me, bad posts even as a joke
>>108689355why noy make separate thread for schizo posting and let numbers be numbers
>>108689432>here is the tally for the day>gold and bronze are clearly botted>kys schizo
Wtf were all the deletes at the start of the thread?
>>108689355divine punishment for making fun of jp bros after rushiain the end what a jp did by accident, nimi did on purpose
>>108689385What's my opinion if I compare this to Amalee's version?
>>108689429they hated Japan that much
>>108689468Holokeks having a melty
>>108689468the numbers mod is going through his backlog; he's nuking shitters for shit they posted 3 threads ago
>>108689468There's apparently a kanikimod
/vt/ is now the 7th fastest board on 4chanHow the mighty have fallen
>>108689407The algorithm giveth and taketh. No matter what the numbers are it's good she's finally releasing music again and has an original too soon
>Saba is back>still haven't collabed with Dooby >playing Hytale by herselfWell well well, looks like Dooby decided to unperson Saba just like she did with Nimi huh? Talk about Karma. God I love seeing Nimi be vindicated
>>108689355yes and no it's just whats more damning then that? it was like the peak for this thread it confirm every rrat that schizo made up for other girls but it happen to one the thread darlings that graduated.
>>108689547This shit is so BORING
>>108689547Dooby still retweets Saba, so...
>>108689547Why is Nimi doing a fucking Getting Over It marathon instead of playing HytaleIs she fucking retarded
>open Holodex>huge big exciting announcement(merchslop)>homos>corpo mandated collab slopI'm so tired...What happened to Hololive?
>>108689585Why did she drop MC completely anyway? Wasnt that her main game she played weekly?
>>108689606>maybe if I paint positive things as actually bad people will stop having funreally negro?
>>108689585She doesn't have perms yet, retard
>>108689614She seems allergic to playing good games lately
>>108689585I dont think Nimi ever wants to touch another block game again
Kiara called Sankisei the golden gen
>>108689315And Mumei has autism
>>108689621>having funWhere? This thread(the biggest Hololive thread on the biggest vtuber discussion board in the west) is dead.
>>108689635everyone knows golden means third
>>108689663What fucking Indie Avengers nigga they don't care about anyone other than themselves
>>108689663>Holobro literally begging Saba to play Hytale with NimiActually mentally unwellIs Hololive this boring?
>gigi watchalong>nerissa announcement>Biboo's and AZKi's pov>Kronii Amenesia: the bunker>Mococo and her sister's announcementI shall watch>the rest I shan't
>>108689614>spent years building a giant tree no one looks at
>>108689657You can keep shitting your pants, but I will later have a lot of fun, watching Biboo collab with Azki.
>>108689684>Is Hololive this boring?Yes, I'm not a Holofag
>>108689685This but I'll watch Saba and ignore holoslop
>>108689468Saba fucked off again so kanicuck has too much time on his hands
>>108689657Tower is the biggest
Kiara said she refuses MMDslop shorts and only wants to do actual mocap
>>108689614>Why did she drop MC completely anyway?no friends
>>108689685>>nerissa announcementIsn't it going to be PJ outfit reveal like the rest of Advent are getting?
He's crashing out again
>>108689712It's her ancestral homeland
>>108689692Based. Looking forward to Beebs mogging Saba today againKeep coping kanisharts
>after today's stream, fish child will have streamed more than CC for the month
>>108689716Saba is right there and playing notMC. She even mentioned Nimi in the last stream. One of the clothes in the game is literally Nimi's dress.
>>108689716Were most of those streams her solo?
>>108689731Who?
>holocucks and pebkeks are having a melty againKek
>>108689712Don't worry about it
>>108689763Selencuck
>>108689728she said its not, but she could just be trying to misdirect. Rumor is its an album or another EP
>>108689815It's Irys
>>108689806depends on the person
>Phasepags deflecting the fact that ExHolos are the ones stealing their scraps from the Holos.I see why they always pit the two against each other.
>>108689692>watching Flayon's onahole and a married whoreGrim.
>>108689585so she can watch saba's hytale vods, retard
>>108689839Saba doesn't know what dating or sex is, holodrone.
damn phasecucks crashing out...
Surely HoloEN will manage to win gold today with unarchived karaoke, two massive announcements and a big collab, right?
>>108689867Is that why she's always singing love songs?
>>108689844we have to pretend phase botnet is relevant now?
>>108689707We know phasecuck
>>108689815It was Saba probably
Qrd on Holocucks crashing out at Saba?
>>108689800>>108689815>>108689852samefag
>>108689614>Why did she drop MC completely anyway? Turns out that playing solo Minecraft with 0 possibility of encountering holomem means shit numbers. And she's a huge numberfag.
>>108689879FWMC might, the rest not really.
Come on schizo samefag harder. Boost that ppm.
>>108689889>Let's pretend that the mods of this site are not paid for by Phase.You're not being slick.
Funny unprompted crashout for dead hours
>>108689939why would Phase pay 4chan mods
>>108689928She had that tree thing going for her. She could be doing something similar and I guess let random indies join the server and help her. Could pay off in time.
>>108689955Part of the reason Towa exists is phasepag shills all over this board.
>>108689940Kek
Why did the previous thread talk about the other Homoflip Octavio?
>>108689998That really doesn't mean much when the phase/small corpo thread is on the front page of the towa anon
Hololive must be in pretty dire state if Holo fans are this rabid nowadays.Reminds me of Niji and nijisisters
>>108690003Irys and Kiara aren't GFE
>>1086871873d gen 3 under 100kWhat when wrong? Holopeko going down with fire
>>108689998Towa has a Phase thread
Give me an update on the ppm stat
>>108690037>Holocucks claimed that she will be a 2view when she comes back>comes back and easily moggs HoloENKek no wonder you're having a meltdown
So slow
>>108690035They built the whole company around pippa the chud vtuber, its sunk cost fallacy at this point.
>>108690040Nothing is more rabid than putting shills in a 4chan board expecting to gain an actual audience
>>108689614No shared world to play with. As much as I'd like her and mine to start a server and play with selected indies or whatever it'd be even deader than the Holo server, trying to get indies together is like herding cats.
Saba gold today Holowhores in shambles
hahaha holy fuck already dropped 500 more daily posts in only 3 days AT PRIME TIMEBWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>108690027Philippinos talking about a Philippino during SEA hours.
>>108689745Gura never liked MC much.
>>108690003And, Shiori is engaged.
>dead thread>suddenly, a raid
>>108690087They could easily get a Minecraft server together with densetsu and saba if they wanted to but Nimi is allergic to any meaningful form of social interaction
>>108689994The pursuit of numbers in that it turns people into eceleb collab orbiters is a future most should avoid
>>108690097just wait EN5
>>108690108
>>108690097Cope. Unlike troontower all our posts are intelegant and not just mindless hugbox toxic positivity slop
>>108689614She mentioned going back to Minecraft in her tier list stream but who knows maybe she'll get hytale and shift gears
>>108690117>dead board>not suddenly allowing raids for months to prop up its dying ppmpfffffffthahahahaha
Reminder, If Saba gets ~50% of the audience and Biboo gets the other ~45%What is there left for the poor Phasepags?
>>108690132Can you make a Hytale server?
>>108690083Phasesissies...
>intelegant
>>108689385reminder that Nerissa actually has huge tits like this IRL
>>108690097Retards are unironically trying to fish for replies in a dead pond while everything migrated elsewhere
Why is this thread so obsessed with Phase tho? Jealousy?
>>108690134>intelegant
>>108690097Would love to see the graph for this board
>Phase is having yet another debut>meanwhile Hololive is having nonstop graduationsOof
>the full might of the shiskinscord on display right now>can't even break 30k daily posts>can't even be the most active thread on the board>>108690200same tbdesu
>>108690185Holofans feel jealous of Phasefans because Phasefans actually have fun instead of constantly coping
>>108690205Phase had a graduation 2 days ago
>Why is this thread so obsessed with Phase tho? Jealousy?Really cementing that "Userbenchmark of /vt/" Label
Predictions for Anya's debut? I'd say 40k at least. Effortless gold for today that's for sure. No wonder holokeks and kanisharts are crashing out
HAHAHA 107% activity compared to average and STILL -500 daily posts compared to 3 days ago>4 threads/hourGRIMMMMMMMMMMM
>>108690205Another one why? This one has the whole phase box to herself and is a 3view.
>>108690217Yeah I was also like this, then I decided to check out Jelly, Panko, Lumi and Pippa. I'm now exclusively watching them and dropped Hololive and Saba and am much happier.
>>108690236?
please stop laughing at our ppm... the jannies will cry...
>Phasepags are the "I run arch btw" fags of /vt/
>>108690257KEEEEEEKKKdespite constantly shilling and astroturfing it seems phasebrowns can't even get a new debut to 4view KWABOTY KWABOTY KWABOTY KWABOTY KWABOTY
>>108690239True. Holobros love to seethe at PhaseChads while they have whores like Kronii and her gym bros and Mori lmao
Why is Kronii still in the bottom of the list of sold merch
>>108689657>/vt/>biggest discussion boardlollmao
>>108690225cecilia streamed? when?
Jesas it actually is an astroturfing campaign.
Why are phasechimps shitting up the thread
There are no Holofags, exHolofags, nijifags, phasefags, indiefags, etc. here.It's all just brown monkeys pretending to be retarded for meager (you)s
>4 threads per hourthis puts /vt/ on the same level as boards like /x/ which have 5000 daily post average KEKand /vt/ would be around 5k daily post average if the browncord wasn't spamming all day KEEEEEEK
>>108690346Told you.They want Exholo fans and Holofans fighting to maintain the illusion that "they're the only stable corpo" lmao.
>>108690371and yet you are here?
>>108690371why are you numberfagging the threadnobody cares
>>108690371I said /vt/ was a mistake right at the beginning so seeing it finally croak makes me happy
>>108690355they had another piss poor debut can't even break into 4view KEEEEEKso now they're threadshitting and letting their Hololive obsession leak into each post and gloating about graduations againb-but "Holo phase unity" right, phasepiggypaggots? >>108663893 right? LOOOOOOL
>>108690395>/vt/ was a mistakeyou think its better to have all vtuber discussion contained in /jp/ for some reason?
>>108690386>Illusion What is this cope? Phase is literally objectively the most popular western vtubing corpo.
>>108690437Post it
>>108690422Looks like its better contained on towa and not this site
>w-why are you doing this>n-no one caresM E L T B R O W N>>108690395same tbdesuand /vt/'s death can only be blamed on the trannygger jannyggers :)>>108690406sorry, I'm not brown
>>108690337cranky dark souls late night stream
>>108690424>western vtubing corpo.This is like saying that Caitlin Clark is the best player in the WNBA LMAO.
>>108690331just like my favorite wow streamer...
>>108690455>sorry, I'm not brownreally doesn't look that way
>>108685923If you're going to keep being in denial, then I'm going to keep saying Mumei has unironic autism.
>>108690471Who, asmongold?
>>108690406I only go there to livepost and talk about streams
>>108690437
>>108690481no, it's some fat chill dude
>>108690474everyone has Autism nowadays
Does saba have autism? It could explain some things
>>108690474You should die
>r-really doesn't look that wayerm>intelegantwhat say you, pagger?
>>108690506no
>>108690492What a succulent looking chinese meal
>>108690492
>>108690500But Mumei has the actual kind.
>>108690506Explains her ability to smell hormigas
>>108690512I'm right
>>108690437>>108690492damn ligwhores do be desperate kek
>>108690492god damnif only she was entertaining
>>108690537what does she do? not stream?
>>108690568they need money
>>108690580Saba killed that anons family with her cold fish hands
Of course the leech wouldn't give up the opportunity to sexpest
>>108690605novelcucks celebrating
>>108690568I bet you liggercucks think that butt lean was "accidental"
>>108690603Anon, she still has her trident.What would Saba's weapon be? I'd love for it to be a Saber
>>108690605>leeches shiori, fuwamoco, biboo and gigi>doesn't dare to do it with the othersweird
>>108690605Rejoice Novelcucks, the chair is back
>>108686376what is this retarded meme?
>silly white boy spotted
>>108690605lil bro really sat 5 hours in photoshop just to raise the PPM by 0.013
>>108690650Shiori gave the homos the pass for Advent
>>108690649this is my first time seeing double spoilers, what sort of witchcraft is this?
>>108690714You don't know how to do nesting?
>>108690710Didn't know Gigi was Advent and that Nerissa graduated
>>108690648according to liggerbrowncucks being a whore and 99% of your streams being reactslop is "furthering the medium"KEK
>>108690753@grok turn this cat into raora
>>108690704>Ignore chattersShe talks with chat constantly during streams>Not play with NimiThat's a good deed>Not have a scheduleBarely anyone has a schedule nowadays
>Saba sees a bunch of announcement streams>Decides to overlapWhy does she hate Advent so much?
>>108690738maybe I am too dumb
>>108690783Saba said that she will be streaming on Saturday. Then Advent sloppers decided to overlap her to try and beat her(lol)Shameless gen
>>108690783Cover's favorite EN gen, and they stream.
>itt fags acting as if they wouldn't be losing their shit if marine pressed her fat ass against a table top
>>108690764>swedishshe's american born and raised>invite Nimiwhy would she?>her oshiNimi has no oshi other than her husband >favourite gamewhat?
>>108690814As if they have much overlap, if anything, Nimi is about to get buried again.
>>108690753Reminder that Peanut only became a vtuber because Indies kept whining about the idol part of vtubing.
>Saba's waiting room 2 hours before the stream has more people in it than anyone watching phaseGrim. And that's just some random small indie. How do we save Phase Connect?
Wait did that Phase chick already debut?
>>108690827and he's mega botted too so he can be used as a tool to shit on the idol part of vtubing
>>108690764>PLEASE PLEASE COLLAB WITH MY MARRIED WHOREAre naplings the homobeggars of indies?
>>108690814announcement streams have to be coordinate by management so they already knew they were doing them today at least since a week ago
>>108690783>overlap
>>108690858>married >whoreis she confirmed to be cheating on him or something?
>>108690764cucklings used to hate Kiara and KFP (understandable) but sure are acting like them
>>108690857any way to check in what countries he trends?
>>108690857Not really. If idol was part of the equation of being a vtuber, I doubt they can do anything. Peanut would need to be performing on concerts, having his own music, et al, to be one.
>>108690898idk but likely very brown ones because>twitch
>>108690902It's funnier. Cucklings get blueballed
Still can't believe that majority of Saba seethe comes from mentally ill naplings who are mad because their green whore got replaced by a better green woman.Talk about being obsessed
>>108690958
how long will west vtubing survive?
>>108690922yep, brown>>108690915>explicitly say browns use his botted ccv to shit on idol vtubersyou good, retard?
>>108690958It's not just the saba seethe. It's both the Saba and Biboo seethe. Cucklings have nothing left for them. That's why she's clinging to Mint, which is hilarious.
>>108688235Is this her anniversary stream? What happens to the live?
>>108690963>>108690990
>>108690706That's kirkenuinely fucked up
>>108690963I was thinking these posts sounded familiar, anyway I'm headed to towa
>>108690970Anon, his target was always the Twitch vtubers.
>Kaela haven't streamed for 2 months >came back for a management mandates collab>disappeared againDamn. When someone as hardworking and obsessed with streaming as Kaela is burning out you know shit's badWhat is management doing to them?
>>108690706He got 4 (You) how much does that convert into sea dollars?
>>108691026that's cool and all but browns still use it to shit on idol vtubing in generalsorry you're too stupid to internalize this information because you're a shitskin ESL :S
>>108690783>overlap Adventyou mean Nimi ?
Peanut is now objectively the most popular vtuber according to solid sources like streamcharts.How are feeling about this /#/bros?
>>1086910731 liter of uncooked rice
>>108690878Still funny how she never finished Atlantas
>>108691073Depends on how much parrot is paying him to post
>>108691078Mint is only a little bit better. Both are awful and best avoided.
>>108690764Fauna was her oshi, not Nimi.Besides, Nimi somehow can't work out a schedule with Saba despite Nimi not having a schedule, but Saba can make last minute collabs with Dooby and Limes.
>>108691086shitposting with this fag is so boring, Im only interested in how he will vanish one day after the botting stops.
>Shiori flirting with Flayon soon >Wearing chastity cage>Dildo readytime for some plapping
>>108691074>lol no, Throughout the whole Twitch drama, Hololive has never been dragged down by it LMAO.
QRD on the pebble melty?
>>108691128>Fauna was her oshi/#/ cannot be this dumb
>>108691163out of nowhereholy schizo
>>108691163>QRD on the Phasepag Melty*
So how are you guys enjoying the new numbers thread?
How come Hololive, a multi million dollar megacorp, can't get Hytale perms while small indies like Saba can? Is management incompetent?
>Shiori: I will keep this blurred just in case this says "OOOOH SHE LIVES IN EUROPE"KEK SHOTS FIRED
the schizo is trying too hard today...
>>108691228Kiara just got them, scroll up.
>>108691228why play a incomplete game?
>>108691228Hytale hype will be dead soon anyway, people already realize it's not that deep
>homos playing vintage story and Pokemon ColosseumAlmost makes me want to watch, almostWish the girls had good taste in games too
Canadian bros...
>>108691235>watching a homocollab?
>Kiara now mentions Gura/Saba in literally every stream>to the point of blatantly hinting at Saba and not just GuraIf this isn't a massive redflag and proof that Kiara's leaving soon then I don't know what is.
>>108691228>perms>indiescorpos have rotted your brain
QRD on the schizo "QRD on the x melty " melty ?
>>108688235>Biboo-Mori-AZKi-Bae overlap>Saba overlaplol no, its gonna be another round of humiliation for Nimi
Shiori taking shots at Canada...
>>108691268homobeggar
By the way this hilarious astroturf campaign is because no one gives a single fuck about the Phase debut
>>108691287QRD on the schizo "QRD on the schizo" "QRD on the x melty " melty ?
>>108691284>kiara leaves to be with ame and gura>ame and gura don't stream for 3 months
>>108691149that is what browns unironically believe, yes, even though it's not true and twitchbrowns hate idol culture
>>108691284stop trying with these retards, they won't listen
It's been months since Shiori homocollabed. She redeemed herself.Isn't it time we forgive her?
hololive english hello?
>>108691315I said almost anon, no way am I wayv that shit but I am curious about vintage story since that one anon keeps mentioning it in this thread
>>108691264t. microsoft cocksucker
>>108691284At first it was kinda funny but now it sounds like just throwing a tantrum because no one is biting your graduationbegging bait>I WANT KIARA TO GRADUATE, I WANNA I WANNA I WANNACalm down nigga
Just a reminder
>>108691284what did she say this time?
>>108691284I wouldn't even be sad if she did at this point, she's been relentlessly trying to funnel her fans to her other activities in ways that just cross the line
>>108691284why are you hate watching?
>>108688472/uuu/ already migrated to Towa anon, didn't you know?>b-but le /uuu2-Not anymore.
>>108691384You said the same thing when people pointed out obvious hints for Aqua, Ame, Fauna, Chloe, Shion, Gura, Mumei, Ao and Kanata
>>108691359She's literally on VC with Flayon
would be funny if saba somehow becomes the Ui of EN. Not a Hololive EN member, but a "friend" of the group.
SABA BTFOD
>>108691412No one said anything about the JP ones, stop larping.
>>108691440Management is too petty for that. They will literally never allow exHolos to interact with Holos officially
>>108691457PFFFF HAHAHAHAHAH
>>108691362AZki being in this collab ruins it. Nothing against her personally but even if it's just one JP in an EN majority collab they all dumb down the conversation and banter to cater to the JP
>>108689379Retardchama?
>>108691412Literally the only graduation that wasn't telegraphed months or years ago was Fauna
>>108691469They arguably shouldn't>yeah sure let us make you big and successful and grow you a huge fan base only for you to then leave but keep every single benefit including our environment and access to all our girlsWhy would they do this?
I have Fromslop fatigue
>>108691457Kek wtf
>>108689518We need a Gremmod, an Irystocratmod, and a Pebblemod here to counterbalance things
>>108691515do some cardio then fatty
>>108689663The Indie Avengers is DEAD, anon, Nimi's Little Lore Drop made sure of that.
>>108691513Funnily enough, Holos not wanting (or not being able) to collab with ex-Holos effectively choked the life out of the "Indie Avengers"Nimi can only collab with Saba and/or Dooby, Saba only with Dooby and/or Nimi, etc. So if by any chance they stop talking or stop interacting, they're all alone by themselves.
saba has been super close to kiara all this time and still will never visit her
>>108691491I dont even get your point, may as well just say you dont like EN and JP mixing. What type of astute conversations would they be having if it was an all EN collab?
>>108691515I had it ever since the first arc. The Ame toot toot was the last one I enjoyed. No more please. Good thing their next game won't come out for a long time
>>108691515I liked watching Panko's playthrough of it but yeah they don't make for really good stream games.
>>108691499Chloe and Kanata kind of surprised me
>>108691469>>108691513You could see how open interaction is actually the right move to do.Look at how scared the antis are.
>>108691577Dooby has made her own circle of indie friends
>>108691251They already had them, Botan played it already
>>108691359It feels like everytime someone says this she almost immediately homocollabs, but that doesn't matter though since retards in this thread are so desperate to forgive her what ever reason
>>108691599no yuo see if it was all EN they would be talking about Kantian philosophy and Keynesian economics
>>108689685Ah yeah I forgot Fuwamoco announcement stream. Damn So much heavy overlap against Nimi>Biboo's and AZKi's povproof? I only saw Mori's stream pov frame>>108689800>>108689852>still trying dead rratsYou're getting boring Bibooschizo. You had better luck trying the Gigi angle back then.
>>108691457Wow unless there's some context missing that's clearly targeted
>>108691613I repeat: What motivation would Cover have to help girls leaving this much?
https://youtu.be/0djH5Fj4fl8
>>108691630the parasocial retards are in too deep
Shiori mogged kiara in 8 minutes btw
>>108691599>say you dont like EN and JP mixing. I mean pretty much yeah. Unless it's official channel stuff where it's majority jp or collabs that are majority jp then it makes sense for the EN to try their best at jp but somehow 1 jp in an EN majority collab doesn't mean the collab acts like a normal EN collab. I guess at least ones like haachama try to eigo jouzo
>>108691647Making the audience viable in the long run. Good PR of actually having great alums that can return if there are special occasions.
>>108689745Reminder that SabaDoob literally replaced Nimi with Limes.
>>108691677Nobody likes Kiara or Metroid so no surprise there
Okay all holofags shut up mint is streaming
>>108691695>Being in this thread>Being unaware all ex JPs now have shit numbers>The Ex ENs like Nimi are now falling off tooThey don't need to do this especially for JPs KEK
>>108691457you have nothing and the fact that you can't back down from this forced narrative is a blessing for my oshialso>thinking that posting this cock carousel homo whore (5 bfs in the past, currently with Pending) is le ebinpfffff
>>108691678Well assuming Azki is there is because she wants to be. How do you know she wont try to speak English?
>>108689379>no biboo povIsrael
>>108691673Seems like it, the anons with standards left to towa a long time ago and all thats left are the usual schizos and unironic cucks
>>108689958Retard she doesn't even know who that jeet is.
I miss watching vtubers but ever since LLD it isn't the same. LLD destroyed the whole illusion for me and I can't trust any women anymore
>>108691750do >we have an update of these already terrible numbers?
>>108691753Looks like Shiori hit a nerve
>>108691513It's obvious if you look at the numbers, consider the fact that more graduations will eventually happen, putting 2 and 2 together.Doesn't help that Cover refuses to release EN5, meaning there's no expansion to be had in a region that is already shrinking.
>>108691786Sakuna birthday vs Shiori Birthday
>>108691769I guess we'll see. I do hope they don't dumb it down to just simple language and noises for her
>>108691695Nah there's literally no benefit there. Cover already loses as is when a girl makes sure to bring her fan base over with them when they leave. Girls who were maybe 3views before at most, who now get to take an audience of multiple thousands with them. If it wasn't for hololive they would have never become that big.Yes holo is good because of the girls that make it good, but Cover is still a company. Clearly their goal is not to have a girl join only for her to grow herself a nice and meaty audience in 2-3 years and then leave so she can reap all the benefits herself. They'd rather hire someone who actually wants to be there and be an active idol.
>>108690146Its actually 55% for Saba and 44% for Biboo. Yes, that remaining ONE percent is what's left for Phase.
>>108691781half of HoloEN probably got plapped last night
>>108691775and the ones on towa are in denial, they will talk about Shiori but as soon as a homo is brought up they report it and get it deleted
>an actual novelcuck in this thread
>>108691749Will she mog Nimi's anniversary too? I thought they were friends why the overlap?
>>108690171Stego my beloved
>>108691829Strongest ExJP loses to weakest EN... GRIM
>>108691623Dooby's number are so shit that she gets mogged by IDs and is pretty much ignored by this thread. So clearly it didn't work.
>>108691834They will have to regardless since Biboo only understands so much, it will be fun and cute anyway.
>>108690236>40kwoah buddy I know this is the schizo thread but lets not get too delusional here. I'd say maybe 15k at best, and that's me being generous.
If Saba was based she'd make an IKEA joke during her block building stream.
>>108691892>791 waitingLucky if this shit qualifies to the tally.
>>108691839>If it wasn't for hololive they would have never become that big.if it weren't for the girls, hololive would never became big either brainwashed retard
>>108691753This nigga got mad by a Shiori joke lol
>>108691887Biboo is very smart actually. Probably top three in smartest EN
>>108691457shiori is so direct fuwamoco incestccgg lesbian sexand now this kek
the hard truth:The Indievengers are still competitors with one another.That's the real reason why they can't collab more often. They have no real incentive to Collab because they're not an actual group. Sure you can have pairs like Doki/Mint, or Saba/Dooby, but you can't imply that you can enforce that close dynamic to a group of more than 3.
I think some you take all of this way too seriously
>>108691838got to update it with a highlighted shiori and her being engaged
>>108691904Maybe finish reading the post before you shit out a reply.
Qrd on the melty?
is it wrong to dislike homocollabers like shiori, mori, erb and kronii?
EN5 will revive holo en
>>108691947Welcome to /vt/ where morons seethe at anime girl streamers
Actual novelcucks hereunbelievable
>>108691877Nigga that's a whole different sentence
>>108691962BuT wHaT aBouT Da Bae????
Y'all gotta admit that Shiori is one of the most entertaining ENs now. People want to watch her unhinged antics and collabs with bros instead of usual stepping on eggshells holoslop. This is why she's so popular now
>>108691842yeah by me
>>108691695They already have infinite good PR because they know no one cares about the company itself, just the girls, so they can do whatever they want. as long as MOST girls are happy. Not even all of them, just most. You guys mostly hate the incompetent management but you still like Hololive the most out of everyone else regardless and nothing will change that, no matter what. "Good PR" is a meme once you reach a level of success that will never go away. That's Cover right now. Letting them interact with the girls that quit and are now active competition is insanity. The homos get to do it due to being beyond irrelevant, but not the girls.
>>108691962Of course not
Since when is Shiori stronger than Kiara?
>>108691981EN5 could take ten years to come and HoloEN would still wipe out their competitors by several magnitudes of distance
>all these greys in shiori's chatthe incline arc starts now
Why aren't Ame and Chloe in Fes? What was the point of affiliation?
>>108691962With the people still left here it is
>>108692026hat bots wore off
>>108692026it's fucing dark souls vs shit new metroid game
>>108692026It's dark souls.What matters is they both mog Nimi.
WE, as in ALL OF US, are here watching Jerma since there are no good holo streams on right now btwhttps://www.twitch.tv/jerma985https://www.twitch.tv/jerma985
>>108691397At some point during her tagents the fact that gura never finished games came up and then immediately with a snarky tone she started talking about hytale and chat was of course being all wink wink nudge nudge
>>108692026caramba, um brasileiro
>>108692026Unicorn bros.....We lost...
>>108692026MACACOOOO FILHO DA PUTAAAAAAAAAAA DESGRAÇADOOOOOOOOOO
>>108692068Damn the guy is washed as fuck
>>108691962no, you can dislike anyone.
>>108691457kek i find the image of hololivers living in paranoia in case the humschizo is watching hilarious
>>108691781>can't trust any women anymoreYour mistake was to trust them in the first place. Not just vtubing but in real life too >>108692026Kiara is a low bar anyone can beat her
>>108692026Brasilero???
>>108692068Why can't homos be as entertaining as Jerma? Why haven't the talent team scouted him yet? Are they incompetent?
>>108692083>Kiara>unicornShe collabed with Gigguk and creamed herself over Domtendo in her chat.
>>108692073oh no....she's gone bros
>>108692109>Kiara is a low bar anyone can beat herNot Nimi lol
>134% activity for time of day>still sub 30kgrim...just grim...Tower... won...
>>108691997>"Unhinged"God I hate this word. It's always the most mundane stuff that is described as "unhinged"
>>108692109>Kiara is a low bar anyone can beat herNimi can't KEK
>>108691457qrd?
>we love Shiori nowHoly zaysed. I told y'all she's a hidden gem. Hope we'll get some Shiorin, Beebs and Flay-kun collabs soonImagine the chaos
>>108691962oddly enough I only dislike Shiori, maybe its because of her insufferable fanbase
>>108692153Unironically it's one of the few things left from the NijiEN/Tempiss 2022 era
>>108691947Most posts /here/ arent worth anything unless you like dox and over half of those are retarded lies too
>>108691987Its just one novelcuck whos too much a of shitter for towa, if you call if him out for his threadshitting he will just call his discord buddies to back him up
>>108692130and had some cosplayer's bf on her last stream. Even regular kfp hated that shit
>>108692026Both will be mogged by Saba in 5 seconds. Is HoloEN reclining?
>>108692167https://archive.is/cHeh4
>>108691781View them as entertainers, not as girlfriends.
>>108692153"unhinged and chaotic" is the default phrase beggars bring up whenever they talk about homocollabs (see kronii and mori with fagni and the vampman), people are just mocking that
>>108692167Type the name of every country on earth in Saba's chat. The one that gets you banned is the one where she lives.
>this place is so mindbroken from nimi/saba they love unashamed homocollabers now
>>108692209Nah, just hololivers and exhololiversPhase girls are safe
>>108692202Having only Sabas skirt left to hide behind is not healthy, she only streams so much.
>>108692160>>108692136The only thing Nimi is beating these days is randon's meat kek
we love kiara here
>>108692202Well I HOPE Saba beats Shiori
>>108692202Saba might not even get gold today if holos raid into each other
>>108692209But Lumi is unironically my girlfriend
>>108692223she lives in niggerville???
Do you think Shiori introduced Biboo to Jurard and Flayon while they were in Japan?
>>108692228Kill yourself Nimi is getting fucked by Randon which is worse than any homo collab
>>108692228theyre not traitors
>>108691962Only CGDCT is allowed here. Homos, trannies and cucks are not part of vtubing community. Its not an inclusive DEI project, its only for CGDCT
>>108692293if by introduced them you mean they fucked then yes
homobeggars trying too hard
>>108692026She has been for some weeks now
>>108692062nimi sub 3k, how will randon survive?
>>108692278And if her comeback rarity buff weakensHer regular gaming streams are boring as fuck, it's like she's medicated or just going through the motions
Cuckposter trying to hard, why? Nothing happening in the Shiori stream?
>>108692299keep going anon i'm hard
>>108692228I hate both nimi and shiori, something this thread cannot fathom apparently
>Throwing a tantrum because of some retarded Europe jokeCome on, it's fucking Shiori, we're all adults, you shouldn't be doing this
>>108692209that takes half the fun of it
6k DORYAAAAAAAAAAA
>>108692348He works on a script, he literally can't deviate from it or he won't get food for the month.
novelcucks don't make me post it again
>>108692354It's always funny when people act like you have to like either or. Hell no I dislike both.
>>108692207that's the opposite of a QRD
>>108692354based
>>108691981Only they could save us
>>108692348this is how they advertise her or else she wont let him sit and watch
>>108692359Shiori mindbroke kanikeks with that statement
>>108692209Is that napcucks cope and how Fauna warmed them up to the LLD with the NOT YOUR FRIEND speech
>>108692359>let me blur the screen in case it shows I'm in europeIt's not "just a joke" if you can't see it you're being obtuse on purpose
>>108692391Not sure where this came from but I'd be ok with it
>selencuck is suddenly a novelite
>>108692429It's still a bloody joke you think Shiori has some secret bad blood with Gura or something?Are we actually going to do Shiori vs Gura? What would be the angle there?
>>108692373boo
>>108692463Shiori BTFOd Gura
>>108692401Damn I'm jealous jurard really got to fuck those cum catchers
>>108692429Shiori is a doxxfagshe has been dropping her own doxx too but no one believes her
>>108692463Did they ever even speak directly to each other
The cucklings left but now this thread has novelcucks shitting up the thread, if it's not one thing it another
>>108692463Shiori has been lapped by all three persona's of Gura in her career
Good evening I hate Saba
Put me in the screenshot parrot!
>>108692529Based
>>108692429shes "friends" with the dinohomo what do you expect hell, isnt she a flip too?
if everyone knew then kiara would drop some hints as well but she hasn't, so i'm going to assume it's a coincidence
When is Flayon joining? I can't jerk off to this
shiori's audio is horrible, how can anyone watch this without getting a headache?
